Originally posted by PyscoJuggalo -And what should Freeman have done? He should have quit and said it was for other reasons or asked for a transfer to another project for another reason, if the NGE was being forced upon him. There are ways to weasle out of bad moves so that you can maintain your good name in both the court of public opinion and the opinion of the job pool.
I agree with you, don't worry.
I'm not defending what's done, I just tried to give some reasonable explanation, or view, of what may have happened in the minds of the devs at SOE, as I see it. Because, logically, whats done is against all logic for a developer.
I was not attempting to say that it was OK, and that they should get away with it.
Just because I wont start call Mr. Freeman names, its not the same as I agree with whats done. I just dont like calling people names, at least as long as I dont know them.
Originally posted by PyscoJuggalo -And what should Freeman have done? He should have quit and said it was for other reasons or asked for a transfer to another project for another reason, if the NGE was being forced upon him. There are ways to weasle out of bad moves so that you can maintain your good name in both the court of public opinion and the opinion of the job pool.
I agree with you, don't worry.
I'm not defending what's done, I just tried to give some reasonable explanation, or view, of what may have happened in the minds of the devs at SOE, as I see it. Because, logically, whats done is against all logic for a developer.
I was not attempting to say that it was OK, and that they should get away with it.
Just because I wont start call Mr. Freeman names, its not the same as I agree with whats done. I just dont like calling people names, at least as long as I dont know them.
But I wont call people names when I dont know what really happen or whom did what. I have a strong feeling that it could be an economic decision, above the developers head. I have to stick with calling SOE names and say what I think about current version of SWG. Until I know better
Ah ok, fair enough. The only two developers I'd call names would be ChrisCao and Helios and that's because they have shown on the forums what they thought of the preNGE playstyle and players. In Freemans case I won't call him names but I'm not going to pretend I like him or that I would be happy with him anywhere near an MMO I play.
I'm sorry, I was unclear in my post. I did not mean that YOU called people names.
What I tried to say, whas that I usually don't call people names, if I don't know them or if there is not a very solid reason that I'm sure about.
Isk, its the first time I dont agree with you. Look it this way: When somebody working in a company accepts to do something,changes,decisions etc etc He has to keep in mind future consequences of supporting that idea. Anyway when he remained in SOE ,he had a salary hadnt he? so that meant you agree with the colors of your company. He remained in SOE,he could leave,he had enough time. So it was his decision. I think it is cinic coming to this forum and say 'sorry'; so he threw the stone,supported his company and now when the sunset is near comes here and say im sorry after a year when everybody knew it was going to be a sure failure. whats next? making a donation if he doesnt find a new job? lol
I understand, but we need to remember that by all means (And again as I stated) he is not off the Hook... BUT he is by far not the only one or the one to blame.
I agree he will have to live with this choice and mark on his career, however he is human made a mistake -- said he was sorry as best he could.
Raph did too. I am not forgeting them, but I can fogive them. I know what they did was wrong to people just plain and simple.
BUT I do want to have dialog from it at the same time and learn from it like they do. Crap man I am a IT Admin for a large Chicago based firm. For the last 8 years... company politics are mind boggling from what I can see time to time. I just think if we all learn from this now it won't happen again.
It's all good though man.
______________________________ I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process..... SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
But I wont call people names when I dont know what really happen or whom did what. I have a strong feeling that it could be an economic decision, above the developers head. I have to stick with calling SOE names and say what I think about current version of SWG. Until I know better
Ah ok, fair enough. The only two developers I'd call names would be ChrisCao and Helios and that's because they have shown on the forums what they thought of the preNGE playstyle and players. In Freemans case I won't call him names but I'm not going to pretend I like him or that I would be happy with him anywhere near an MMO I play.
I'm sorry, I was unclear in my post. I did not mean that YOU called people names.
What I tried to say, whas that I usually don't call people names, if I don't know them or if there is not a very solid reason that I'm sure about.
Like I said above somewhere -- there is no way he was the only "guy" in this..lol
Chris should be fired and Helios as well.
Then I want to see Grant go just for lieing to people at the Summits and boards. After that... let it ride itself out into the sunset.
Start over if anything and this time be respectful as a company and decent to your customers... just decent is all I would ask even.
______________________________ I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process..... SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
Originally posted by iskareot Originally posted by Sandbox Originally posted by War_Dancer Originally posted by Sandbox
But I wont call people names when I dont know what really happen or whom did what.I have a strong feeling that it could be an economic decision, above the developers head.I have to stick with calling SOE names and say what I think about current version of SWG.Until I know better
Ah ok, fair enough. The only two developers I'd call names would be ChrisCao and Helios and that's because they have shown on the forums what they thought of the preNGE playstyle and players. In Freemans case I won't call him names but I'm not going to pretend I like him or that I would be happy with him anywhere near an MMO I play.
I'm sorry, I was unclear in my post. I did not mean that YOU called people names.
What I tried to say, whas that I usually don't call people names, if I don't know them or if there is not a very solid reason that I'm sure about.
Like I said above somewhere -- there is no way he was the only "guy" in this..lol
Chris should be fired and Helios as well.
Then I want to see Grant go just for lieing to people at the Summits and boards. After that... let it ride itself out into the sunset.
Start over if anything and this time be respectful as a company and decent to your customers... just decent is all I would ask even.
I understand he wasn't the only one and I certainly dislike Chris and Helios more then him and even if they are fired I won't touch a SoE game again but what could he possibley learn from talking to us? He should have know before the NGE how wrong it was and if he doesn't know now then their is no helping the guy.
On top of that I'm not going to lie to him that I like him if that's what it takes for him to be willing to talk.
I have never , ever seen such people in charge of anything.
These people are not the ones to lead the game down it's last walk.
Not only that, they should have never been allowed to be a PR rep for thier own boards. These people are almost the worst ones to have anywhere.
They have lied, misslead, set up and pretty much dissapointed just about everyone they could have in the game.
I have to think these guys should change names and leave soon to save face.
______________________________ I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process..... SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
They have lied, misslead, set up and pretty much dissapointed just about everyone they could have in the game.
It's the disdane and lack of consideration of any playstyle except killing and looting that bothers me more then their lieing.
Yep but there is somthing to be said for making good on promises and plans you express are the ones and direction your headed.
If I sold you on the idea I was going to make a car that runs on water.. have you pay for it, fund my research and for 12 months you foot the bill all along while I tell you the water is working great, the car is coming along and then on the day I deliver it to you ... it runs on Propane instead what would you do? Or better yet think??
Bait and switch, along with some piss poor managment is what happend and all involved should be fired. If a company no matter how big can treat 300k people like that then they need re think thier work ethics and policies.
I know that the machines my company brokers are sold 75% on our word and what we stand by, if we did what SOE did with SWG we would be broke.
Like I say time to time.. if SOE was a car company we would all be dead.
______________________________ I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process..... SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
Originally posted by BlazinBlades LMAO, I dont know what worst, the NGE or people role is playing other people for therapy LMAO. Bring it on down now.
Jeff Freeman was the mastermind behind the NGE. It was his baby, his idea to save the galaxy. He pitched it to Julio Torres of LA and was given the greenlight.
So there wasnt any "he went along with" or "he could have stood up against this awful idea"
It was all him.
And like I said before, he should have know NOT to break the cardinal rule of MMO's....never ever change the core game.
Originally posted by admriker4 Umm I guess some of you are unaware then.... Jeff Freeman was the mastermind behind the NGE. It was his baby, his idea to save the galaxy. He pitched it to Julio Torres of LA and was given the greenlight. So there wasnt any "he went along with" or "he could have stood up against this awful idea" It was all him. And like I said before, he should have know NOT to break the cardinal rule of MMO's....never ever change the core game.
Damn right man, it was mostly that idiot Freeman's idea, him and another dev that spooged all over each other about how fun it was to make a RPG into a FPS and screw us all over.
I don't accept his apology, I hope he never works in the game industry again, and if he does I want to know what game it is so I can make sure I never, ever play it.
Screw him, just like he screwed us. Suck it Freeman!
I thought it was primarily smellys work that brought the NGE to fruition. Someone had to take the developers from swg proper and put them to work on the secret that was the crapfest called the NGE. Someone had to go out of their way to deceive the players in swg.... meaning someone had to greenlight the CH revamp and the rest of the revamps that were in process before they took a dump on top of us all.
As far as I had remembered before the CU came out Raph Koster was promoted so that he had little or nothing to do with SWG and suckly was put in his place.
Now for sure Freeman has his self to account for but being just a developer, whom I assume loved working on SWG, what he works on is decided by someone like smegly. Could he have taken a higher road? I dont know what his family life etc are like but he probably should have thought alot harder about what he was doing when devs like GreenMarine get unceremoniously canned and others like Vogel pack their bags and scurry off the sinking ship . Is all forgiven for the crapfest that SWG has become? Hell no.
But, at least, unlike smedley and the other trash at SOE freeman had the cajones to come to a VERY hostile forum, and show his face. Now if he would straight out apologize for the NGE we could all start on the road towards healing :P
Now if he would straight out apologize for the NGE we could all start on the road towards healing :P
What good would that do us? It doesn't bring the preNGE back and it wouldn't lead to me trusting him not to do it all again. Too little too late.
Got to agree with this. I still believe everyone involved with the NGE who didn't quit still thinks it was a "good" idea, just badly implemented, Jeff included. One thing I have learned is don't buy into a game that has devs who find another type of gameplay more fun than the one you like. Jeff was simply the wrong man to be working on a sandbox MMOG as are the clowns who call themselves devs on SWG now. They should be working on Planetside as that is the base of what they want.
Originally posted by iskareot Originally posted by War_Dancer Originally posted by iskareot They have lied, misslead, set up and pretty much dissapointed just about everyone they could have in the game.
It's the disdane and lack of consideration of any playstyle except killing and looting that bothers me more then their lieing.
Yep but there is somthing to be said for making good on promises and plans you express are the ones and direction your headed.
If I sold you on the idea I was going to make a car that runs on water.. have you pay for it, fund my research and for 12 months you foot the bill all along while I tell you the water is working great, the car is coming along and then on the day I deliver it to you ... it runs on Propane instead what would you do? Or better yet think??
Bait and switch, along with some piss poor managment is what happend and all involved should be fired. If a company no matter how big can treat 300k people like that then they need re think thier work ethics and policies.
I know that the machines my company brokers are sold 75% on our word and what we stand by, if we did what SOE did with SWG we would be broke.
Like I say time to time.. if SOE was a car company we would all be dead.
Oh yes there are lots of benefits to good honest communication. Happier and more loyal players for one benefit while not talking at all except for the odd lie and spin control leads to frustrated players that don't have any idea what you might do next good or bad but most likely bad because they get the feeling your trying to sneak the changes past them but it's pretty much SoE standard policy on nearly all their games.
Originally posted by iskareotOriginally posted by Ransom
Jeff Freeman no longer is employed by SOE. http://mythicalblog.com/blog/2006/12/04/forums-are-misunderstood/ Though I am worried by what MMO he will infect next...Don't fret. I have more experience now than I did when I started. I'm bound to have learned something over the years.
Originally posted by iskareot
Lol, yep and not only that there is more to come... but this was predicted after the said producers called the NGE a "mistake" and Mr. Smedley wished he had not done it. Freeman went into defensive mode after all the crap he has caught since the NGE... BUT of course people still think this is all ok....well some do. So lets do a count, Raph, Freeman, soon to be more will be "let go" --- as if this is a suprise. I feel sorry for these people based on the fact they had to actually support the NGE while employed by SOE -- you will now see some more things said like Raph did about it. You can count on it.
Nah, no conspiracy afoot there.
I'm still not going to bash the NGE, though. That would be hypocritical of me on the one hand, unprofessional on the other. Plus just mean to former-coworkers and friends at SOE for no good reason.
I am sorry for how insensitive I was with the 'shenanigans' blogpost. Not that my saying sorry is going to take-back hurt-feelings that caused.
Various suggestions as to what I ought to do have popped up from time to time - like becoming a hobo, or burning in hell - but I'm not real fond of either of those options.
The lesson is obvious.
When you have pissed off the people who ONLY give you money (subscribers)... Quit pissing ON them... And it's also a very bad idea to continually insult them while doing that.
The second the subscriptions started really REALLY moving south if you weren't going to take back the NGE you should have reinstated the CU to alternate servers. The fact that this was not done and has never been done is why SWG is doomed to close within months if not weeks.
Sorry Jeff, you guys are reviled for a reason. And each and every one of you who had a hand in creating and shoving the NGE down our throats has a bad name in the industry, and will be tracked.
And the NGE will be mentioned as a warning against ANY MMO you and your compatriots ever participate in. Deal with it or get another career. The NGE has and will follow and haunt you forever.
WE will make sure of it.
You see, that is our job. Having had our game stolen from us, we will make sure you and your ilk stand as history's lesson, a precedent set in stone that prevents someone else's game from being stolen.
Don't fret. I have more experience now than I did when I started. I'm bound to have learned something over the years.
Originally posted by iskareot
Lol, yep and not only that there is more to come... but this was predicted after the said producers called the NGE a "mistake" and Mr. Smedley wished he had not done it. Freeman went into defensive mode after all the crap he has caught since the NGE... BUT of course people still think this is all ok....well some do. So lets do a count, Raph, Freeman, soon to be more will be "let go" --- as if this is a suprise. I feel sorry for these people based on the fact they had to actually support the NGE while employed by SOE -- you will now see some more things said like Raph did about it. You can count on it.
Nah, no conspiracy afoot there.
I'm still not going to bash the NGE, though. That would be hypocritical of me on the one hand, unprofessional on the other. Plus just mean to former-coworkers and friends at SOE for no good reason.
I am sorry for how insensitive I was with the 'shenanigans' blogpost. Not that my saying sorry is going to take-back hurt-feelings that caused.
Various suggestions as to what I ought to do have popped up from time to time - like becoming a hobo, or burning in hell - but I'm not real fond of either of those options.
UNEMPLOYMENT LINE, that's where you should go...
They FINALLY fired you! It's about time! I was wondering whose head was going to roll over the NGE debaucle, I'm glad to see it's yours.
I do hope you have a hell of a time finding a new job. As for trying to get another job, leave SOE off your resume. You might have better results, but I doubt it, because everyone knows your name...
Thank you for ruining one of the greatest games I'd ever played. Kudos!
Originally posted by Dundee Originally posted by MMO_Man
Let's just hope it's not in the game industry. BTW, I wish I had thought of making another fake account and pretend to be Jeff Freeman.
Scared me for a second, there. I knew I'd get a beating for backtracking to the link here. Still, I hoped there'd be a moment or two of polite conversation before you showed me your boots.
My wife's telling me I shouldn't post at all.
Having an inability to say much of anything about this forum's topic, I've found myself without any sort of idea what I thought I'd accomplish here.
So... oboy, I better fix that apology before it gets taken out of context...
Listen to your wife, Jeff -- trust me, they usually have better instincts about these things than we do. At any rate, thank you for posting and a very Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and yours. We all make mistakes, what is important is that we learn from them and grow. Take care and thanks again.
Originally posted by War_Dancer Originally posted by Wildcat84 Originally posted by MMO_Man They will just replace him with another moron.
They already did, a long time ago. Helios has his former job. Do morons get any more moronic than Helios?
ChrisCao
And actually, Helios has replaced ChrisCao, which I actually think is an improvement. Where Helios may be clueless (but perhaps learning as well), ChrisCao was just mean as well as cluelss. Chris and Helios were/are Chief Creative Directors, and Jeff was lead gameplay designer. Different Jobs, and I can't remember who is Lead gameplay Designer over there at SWG now. Anyway Helios took Lord Pall's (Lead Designer when the NGE was introduced) position first, now he has ChrisCao's. I think that's how the title breakdown went.
Originally posted by Fishermage Originally posted by War_Dancer Originally posted by Wildcat84 Originally posted by MMO_Man They will just replace him with another moron.
They already did, a long time ago. Helios has his former job. Do morons get any more moronic than Helios?
ChrisCao And actually, Helios has replaced ChrisCao, which I actually think is an improvement. Where Helios may be clueless (but perhaps learning as well), ChrisCao was just mean as well as cluelss. Chris and Helios were/are Chief Creative Directors, and Jeff was lead gameplay designer. Different Jobs, and I can't remember who is Lead gameplay Designer over there at SWG now. Anyway Helios took Lord Pall's (Lead Designer when the NGE was introduced) position first, now he has ChrisCao's. I think that's how the title breakdown went. Helios won't be responcible for any improvements. He showed repeatibley that if he didn't find something fun he didn't believe anyone else could and that it shouldn't be in the game. Any improvements to the NGE are likely coming in over his head in an attempt to get the playerbase he doesn't understand or want to understand back to the game.
Originally posted by War_Dancer Originally posted by Fishermage Originally posted by War_Dancer Originally posted by Wildcat84 Originally posted by MMO_Man They will just replace him with another moron.
They already did, a long time ago. Helios has his former job. Do morons get any more moronic than Helios?
ChrisCao And actually, Helios has replaced ChrisCao, which I actually think is an improvement. Where Helios may be clueless (but perhaps learning as well), ChrisCao was just mean as well as cluelss. Chris and Helios were/are Chief Creative Directors, and Jeff was lead gameplay designer. Different Jobs, and I can't remember who is Lead gameplay Designer over there at SWG now. Anyway Helios took Lord Pall's (Lead Designer when the NGE was introduced) position first, now he has ChrisCao's. I think that's how the title breakdown went. Helios won't be responcible for any improvements. He showed repeatibley that if he didn't find something fun he didn't believe anyone else could and that it shouldn't be in the game. Any improvements to the NGE are likely coming in over his head in an attempt to get the playerbase he doesn't understand or want to understand back to the game.
That is also quite possible. I was merely comparing him with ChrisCao, and yes, I do think he is an improvement over him. I would rather have a clueless guy who means well, rather than ChrisCao whom I regard as a bad person as well as clueless. No one there is particularly adept or professional, or shows any maturity when it comes to development of SWG or customer relations. They are also obviously lacking in basic business ethics as well, and have been for quite some time, but that oozes straight down from Smedley.
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I agree with you, don't worry.
I'm not defending what's done, I just tried to give some reasonable explanation, or view, of what may have happened in the minds of the devs at SOE, as I see it. Because, logically, whats done is against all logic for a developer.
I was not attempting to say that it was OK, and that they should get away with it.
Just because I wont start call Mr. Freeman names, its not the same as I agree with whats done. I just dont like calling people names, at least as long as I dont know them.
I agree with you, don't worry.
I'm not defending what's done, I just tried to give some reasonable explanation, or view, of what may have happened in the minds of the devs at SOE, as I see it. Because, logically, whats done is against all logic for a developer.
I was not attempting to say that it was OK, and that they should get away with it.
Just because I wont start call Mr. Freeman names, its not the same as I agree with whats done. I just dont like calling people names, at least as long as I dont know them.
Edit: Reply to wrong post.
I'm sorry, I was unclear in my post. I did not mean that YOU called people names.
What I tried to say, whas that I usually don't call people names, if I don't know them or if there is not a very solid reason that I'm sure about.
I understand, but we need to remember that by all means (And again as I stated) he is not off the Hook... BUT he is by far not the only one or the one to blame.
I agree he will have to live with this choice and mark on his career, however he is human made a mistake -- said he was sorry as best he could.
Raph did too. I am not forgeting them, but I can fogive them. I know what they did was wrong to people just plain and simple.
BUT I do want to have dialog from it at the same time and learn from it like they do. Crap man I am a IT Admin for a large Chicago based firm. For the last 8 years... company politics are mind boggling from what I can see time to time. I just think if we all learn from this now it won't happen again.
It's all good though man.
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
I'm sorry, I was unclear in my post. I did not mean that YOU called people names.
What I tried to say, whas that I usually don't call people names, if I don't know them or if there is not a very solid reason that I'm sure about.
Like I said above somewhere -- there is no way he was the only "guy" in this..lol
Chris should be fired and Helios as well.
Then I want to see Grant go just for lieing to people at the Summits and boards. After that... let it ride itself out into the sunset.
Start over if anything and this time be respectful as a company and decent to your customers... just decent is all I would ask even.
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
I'm sorry, I was unclear in my post. I did not mean that YOU called people names.
What I tried to say, whas that I usually don't call people names, if I don't know them or if there is not a very solid reason that I'm sure about.
Like I said above somewhere -- there is no way he was the only "guy" in this..lol
Chris should be fired and Helios as well.
Then I want to see Grant go just for lieing to people at the Summits and boards. After that... let it ride itself out into the sunset.
Start over if anything and this time be respectful as a company and decent to your customers... just decent is all I would ask even.
I understand he wasn't the only one and I certainly dislike Chris and Helios more then him and even if they are fired I won't touch a SoE game again but what could he possibley learn from talking to us? He should have know before the NGE how wrong it was and if he doesn't know now then their is no helping the guy.
On top of that I'm not going to lie to him that I like him if that's what it takes for him to be willing to talk.
I think Chris and Helios are next.
I have never , ever seen such people in charge of anything.
These people are not the ones to lead the game down it's last walk.
Not only that, they should have never been allowed to be a PR rep for thier own boards. These people are almost the worst ones to have anywhere.
They have lied, misslead, set up and pretty much dissapointed just about everyone they could have in the game.
I have to think these guys should change names and leave soon to save face.
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
Yep but there is somthing to be said for making good on promises and plans you express are the ones and direction your headed.
If I sold you on the idea I was going to make a car that runs on water.. have you pay for it, fund my research and for 12 months you foot the bill all along while I tell you the water is working great, the car is coming along and then on the day I deliver it to you ... it runs on Propane instead what would you do? Or better yet think??
Bait and switch, along with some piss poor managment is what happend and all involved should be fired. If a company no matter how big can treat 300k people like that then they need re think thier work ethics and policies.
I know that the machines my company brokers are sold 75% on our word and what we stand by, if we did what SOE did with SWG we would be broke.
Like I say time to time.. if SOE was a car company we would all be dead.
______________________________
I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
Umm I guess some of you are unaware then....
Jeff Freeman was the mastermind behind the NGE. It was his baby, his idea to save the galaxy. He pitched it to Julio Torres of LA and was given the greenlight.
So there wasnt any "he went along with" or "he could have stood up against this awful idea"
It was all him.
And like I said before, he should have know NOT to break the cardinal rule of MMO's....never ever change the core game.
Damn right man, it was mostly that idiot Freeman's idea, him and another dev that spooged all over each other about how fun it was to make a RPG into a FPS and screw us all over.
I don't accept his apology, I hope he never works in the game industry again, and if he does I want to know what game it is so I can make sure I never, ever play it.
Screw him, just like he screwed us. Suck it Freeman!
fruition. Someone had to take the developers from swg proper and put
them to work on the secret that was the crapfest called the NGE.
Someone had to go out of their way to deceive the players in swg....
meaning someone had to greenlight the CH revamp and the rest of the
revamps that were in process before they took a dump on top of us all.
As far as I had remembered before the CU came out Raph Koster was
promoted so that he had little or nothing to do with SWG and suckly was
put in his place.
Now for sure Freeman has his self to account for but being just a
developer, whom I assume loved working on SWG, what he works on is
decided by someone like smegly. Could he have taken a higher road? I
dont know what his family life etc are like but he probably should have
thought alot harder about what he was doing when devs like GreenMarine
get unceremoniously canned and others like Vogel pack their bags and
scurry off the sinking ship
SWG has become? Hell no.
But, at least, unlike smedley and the other trash at SOE freeman had the cajones to come to a VERY hostile forum, and show his face. Now if he would straight out apologize for the NGE we could all start on the road towards healing :P
http://www.speedtest.net/result/7300033012
Got to agree with this. I still believe everyone involved with the NGE who didn't quit still thinks it was a "good" idea, just badly implemented, Jeff included. One thing I have learned is don't buy into a game that has devs who find another type of gameplay more fun than the one you like. Jeff was simply the wrong man to be working on a sandbox MMOG as are the clowns who call themselves devs on SWG now. They should be working on Planetside as that is the base of what they want.
Yep but there is somthing to be said for making good on promises and plans you express are the ones and direction your headed.
If I sold you on the idea I was going to make a car that runs on water.. have you pay for it, fund my research and for 12 months you foot the bill all along while I tell you the water is working great, the car is coming along and then on the day I deliver it to you ... it runs on Propane instead what would you do? Or better yet think??
Bait and switch, along with some piss poor managment is what happend and all involved should be fired. If a company no matter how big can treat 300k people like that then they need re think thier work ethics and policies.
I know that the machines my company brokers are sold 75% on our word and what we stand by, if we did what SOE did with SWG we would be broke.
Like I say time to time.. if SOE was a car company we would all be dead.
Oh yes there are lots of benefits to good honest communication. Happier and more loyal players for one benefit while not talking at all except for the odd lie and spin control leads
to frustrated players that don't have any idea what you might do next
good or bad but most likely bad because they get the feeling your
trying to sneak the changes past them but it's pretty much SoE standard policy on nearly all their games.
I'm still not going to bash the NGE, though. That would be hypocritical of me on the one hand, unprofessional on the other. Plus just mean to former-coworkers and friends at SOE for no good reason.
I am sorry for how insensitive I was with the 'shenanigans' blogpost. Not that my saying sorry is going to take-back hurt-feelings that caused.
Various suggestions as to what I ought to do have popped up from time to time - like becoming a hobo, or burning in hell - but I'm not real fond of either of those options.
The lesson is obvious.
When you have pissed off the people who ONLY give you money (subscribers)... Quit pissing ON them... And it's also a very bad idea to continually insult them while doing that.
The second the subscriptions started really REALLY moving south if you weren't going to take back the NGE you should have reinstated the CU to alternate servers. The fact that this was not done and has never been done is why SWG is doomed to close within months if not weeks.
Sorry Jeff, you guys are reviled for a reason. And each and every one of you who had a hand in creating and shoving the NGE down our throats has a bad name in the industry, and will be tracked.
And the NGE will be mentioned as a warning against ANY MMO you and your compatriots ever participate in. Deal with it or get another career. The NGE has and will follow and haunt you forever.
WE will make sure of it.
You see, that is our job. Having had our game stolen from us, we will make sure you and your ilk stand as history's lesson, a precedent set in stone that prevents someone else's game from being stolen.
They already did, a long time ago. Helios has his former job. Do morons get any more moronic than Helios?
ChrisCao
Jeff Freeman no longer is employed by SOE.
http://mythicalblog.com/blog/2006/12/04/forums-are-misunderstood/
Though I am worried by what MMO he will infect next...
Don't fret. I have more experience now than I did when I started. I'm bound to have learned something over the years.
I'm still not going to bash the NGE, though. That would be hypocritical of me on the one hand, unprofessional on the other. Plus just mean to former-coworkers and friends at SOE for no good reason.
I am sorry for how insensitive I was with the 'shenanigans' blogpost. Not that my saying sorry is going to take-back hurt-feelings that caused.
Various suggestions as to what I ought to do have popped up from time to time - like becoming a hobo, or burning in hell - but I'm not real fond of either of those options.
UNEMPLOYMENT LINE, that's where you should go...
They FINALLY fired you! It's about time! I was wondering whose head was going to roll over the NGE debaucle, I'm glad to see it's yours.
I do hope you have a hell of a time finding a new job. As for trying to get another job, leave SOE off your resume. You might have better results, but I doubt it, because everyone knows your name...
Thank you for ruining one of the greatest games I'd ever played. Kudos!
My wife's telling me I shouldn't post at all.
Having an inability to say much of anything about this forum's topic, I've found myself without any sort of idea what I thought I'd accomplish here.
So... oboy, I better fix that apology before it gets taken out of context...
Listen to your wife, Jeff -- trust me, they usually have better instincts about these things than we do. At any rate, thank you for posting and a very Merry Christmas and Happy New Year to you and yours. We all make mistakes, what is important is that we learn from them and grow. Take care and thanks again.
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ChrisCao
And actually, Helios has replaced ChrisCao, which I actually think is an improvement. Where Helios may be clueless (but perhaps learning as well), ChrisCao was just mean as well as cluelss. Chris and Helios were/are Chief Creative Directors, and Jeff was lead gameplay designer. Different Jobs, and I can't remember who is Lead gameplay Designer over there at SWG now. Anyway Helios took Lord Pall's (Lead Designer when the NGE was introduced) position first, now he has ChrisCao's. I think that's how the title breakdown went.
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ChrisCao
And actually, Helios has replaced ChrisCao, which I actually think is an improvement. Where Helios may be clueless (but perhaps learning as well), ChrisCao was just mean as well as cluelss. Chris and Helios were/are Chief Creative Directors, and Jeff was lead gameplay designer. Different Jobs, and I can't remember who is Lead gameplay Designer over there at SWG now. Anyway Helios took Lord Pall's (Lead Designer when the NGE was introduced) position first, now he has ChrisCao's. I think that's how the title breakdown went.
Helios won't be responcible for any improvements. He showed repeatibley that if he didn't find something fun he didn't believe anyone else could and that it shouldn't be in the game. Any improvements to the NGE are likely coming in over his head in an attempt to get the playerbase he doesn't understand or want to understand back to the game.
ChrisCao
And actually, Helios has replaced ChrisCao, which I actually think is an improvement. Where Helios may be clueless (but perhaps learning as well), ChrisCao was just mean as well as cluelss. Chris and Helios were/are Chief Creative Directors, and Jeff was lead gameplay designer. Different Jobs, and I can't remember who is Lead gameplay Designer over there at SWG now. Anyway Helios took Lord Pall's (Lead Designer when the NGE was introduced) position first, now he has ChrisCao's. I think that's how the title breakdown went.
Helios won't be responcible for any improvements. He showed repeatibley that if he didn't find something fun he didn't believe anyone else could and that it shouldn't be in the game. Any improvements to the NGE are likely coming in over his head in an attempt to get the playerbase he doesn't understand or want to understand back to the game.
That is also quite possible. I was merely comparing him with ChrisCao, and yes, I do think he is an improvement over him. I would rather have a clueless guy who means well, rather than ChrisCao whom I regard as a bad person as well as clueless. No one there is particularly adept or professional, or shows any maturity when it comes to development of SWG or customer relations. They are also obviously lacking in basic business ethics as well, and have been for quite some time, but that oozes straight down from Smedley.
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Oh yeah that's right, I forgot that Helios was Freeman's replacememnt on SWG. It went from bad to worse.
I sleep with a pillow under my gun.