Basically, if you like combat or crafting, and if you don't mind a fairly hefty grind, this is probably the best game out there. BUT if you need a bit more in terms of roleplaying and social gameplay, avoid this game like the plague.
Basically, if you like combat or crafting, and if you don't mind a fairly hefty grind, this is probably the best game out there. BUT if you need a bit more in terms of roleplaying and social gameplay, avoid this game like the plague.
Well, Beery... It had to come from you... The one who called everyone else illitarate and other less friendly stuff. *chuckle*
Who want´s to play with the Kid that keeps throwing Shit at the others?
Right, noone.
YOU don´t like this game, YOU have made "enemies" on the Forums because of your ridiculus and over all disgusting behaviour.
I´ll never understand why some people just can´t shut up and go their way if they don´t like something.
So, why just get on with your life outside Ryzom?
Just go away.
MaDSaM
Ryzom, we dare to be different. Do you dare to adapt?
I notice that the one trolling and throwing around accusations (without any quotes or links to any supposed accusations of mine) is you.
If I hate the game, why do I say it's the best game for crafting and combat? If I hate the game it seems rather a counterproductive thing to say.
By the way, 'illiterate' is not spelled the way you spelled it (it only has one 'A'). Similarly, you missed the 'O' in 'ridiculous'. Could it perhaps be that, if I called someone illiterate, the accusation had some merit?
I notice that the one trolling and throwing around accusations (without any quotes or links to any supposed accusations of mine) is you. If I hate the game, why do I say it's the best game for crafting and combat? If I hate the game it seems rather a counterproductive thing to say. Enough said.
Again, accusations and ad hominem attacks without a hint of a source or a quote. How brave of you to engage in such bullying. I'm sure you must be much feared in the schoolyard. Sadly, on an internet forum it's hard to spot a coward or a liar, but happily it's easier to defend against them.
Not surprisingly, you both graduate to my blocked members list. I wonder, since you think I'm 'notorious', why I'm not on yours? Could it be that you're just a troll who enjoys flaming folks like me who hold a different viewpoint than yours? It seems so.
Many others here have noted a tendency of the Ryzom fanboys to blindly lash out at anyone who voices any level of criticism of the game. Let's get one thing clear - attacking players doesn't help the game, and stifling criticism doesn't help the game either. In fact stifling critical thought is the worst thing anyone can do for the health of a game. You don't help a person to stay healthy by ignoring symptoms of disease and insisting that the patient is perfectly fine. In fact that's the quickest way to kill someone. It's the same with a game. Blind praise is a game's worst enemy.
Again, accusations and ad hominem attacks without a hint of a source or a quote. How brave of you to engage in such bullying. I'm sure you must be much feared in the schoolyard. Luckily, on an internet forum it's easier to spot a coward or a liar.
Or a blowhard refusing to take responsibility for their actions.
for those who don't want to read through the whole thread.
[Edit: I actually read through a lot of his posts in that thread, and you'd miss out on a lot of whining and doomsday predictions (for SoR) just b/c there was no dance/entertainer profession.]
I recently downloaded the free trial of ryzom. Although you can only lvl up in fighting, magic, harvesting, and crafting, each branches off into hundreds of different skills. The players were unexpectedly nice, unlike many of the ryzom players who leave posts on this website. People were eager to help and teach, although i wouldn't recomend cursing on the public chat channels (i recieved several messeages to stop =p). The ruins of silan "island" thing is full of quests if you are the kind who enjoys doing what your told. If you're more of the independent type, you don't have to follow the quests to be just as good as eveyone else. And if you're the creative type, there's an "editor" option, where you create your own mini-map and scenarios. I thought the game was great, but i don't think its worth paying $15.00 a month for the normal version. have fun and enjoy!
I am guessing (and this is no foul against you) that you do not think any game is worth paying a monthly fee over 10 dollars for.....I may be wrong though
98% of the teenage population does or has accepted Marijauna propoganda. If you are one of the 2% that thinks for yourselves and has read any of the many scientific studies that prove cannabis is harmless then please paste this in your signiture.
Again, accusations and ad hominem attacks without a hint of a source or a quote. How brave of you to engage in such bullying. I'm sure you must be much feared in the schoolyard. Luckily, on an internet forum it's easier to spot a coward or a liar.
Or a blowhard refusing to take responsibility for their actions.
My oh my.. i came here to get some information about this game because i was interested in becoming a payed member after enjoying the trial. But this Grim guy makes me so..so sad.
Dude.. cool down. It's not like people abused your mother. it's a video game for fu*** sake. Whats wrong with you? i have some questions for you..
How old are you?, When was the last time you went out of your room?, Do you have a job? because you really really creep me out for some reason.
No sane person would defend a bloody game like this.. damn some people can be really scary. THERE IS LIFE OUTSIDE THIS WORLD MADE OF PIXEL!!
My oh my.. i came here to get some information about this game because i was interested in becoming a payed member after enjoying the trial. But this Grim guy makes me so..so sad.
Dude.. cool down. It's not like people abused your mother. it's a video game for fu*** sake. Whats wrong with you? i have some questions for you..
How old are you?, When was the last time you went out of your room?, Do you have a job? because you really really creep me out for some reason.
No sane person would defend a bloody game like this.. damn some people can be really scary. THERE IS LIFE OUTSIDE THIS WORLD MADE OF PIXEL!!
I'm so terribly sorry I made the baby jeebus cry.
I have an aversion to bullshit, the guy demanded that the 'accusations' against him be backed up, I provided.
Oh look, he shut up.
31, about five minutes ago, I write games for a living.
Sane people protect the things they love, or used to love.
Insane people prosecute a vendetta against something they don't play any more across multiple forums based upon the game's lack of dancing.
Aye, if you lack imagination, have no sense of discovery and need someone to tell you what to do, Ryzom can seem somewhat dull. I occasionally have uninspired days when I'm better off playing a FPS or a single player, quest driven RPG. I'm yet to see a mmorpg I'd rather play though.
That first statement was uncalled for and extremely short-sighted. There are many reasons a player might decide they don't like Ryzom. Not liking an open-ended playstyle is as perfectly legitimate as liking it - one's imagination notwithstanding.
It seems to me that Ryzom - as it was when I played it - was a great community game where you can hang out with cool people while you went around and hunted or crafted or what-not. Inevitably, I found myself wondering "I'm doing all this grinding, exploring and crafting for...?" For a long time, the response I'd see was "well, the real story hasn't started - everything up 'til now has been a prelude. Once the real story starts, everything you do will have more meaning". This was said almost 2 years ago. Last I checked several months back, it hasn't changed. That's the reason I no longer play. I don't want my hand-held... but I also want some kind of purpose or point, in the context of the game's world/lore, to work toward a goal I'm working toward, beyond just for the sake of doing it.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
I see your point, but I don't agree with it, so don't take it as an insult.
Ryzom is basically like a re-incarnation of pre-nge SWG without the harvesters, many gamers have not experienced this style of free roaming and skill based MMORPG and so they will most likely find it not to their tastes. If your talking about 'other' MMORPG's most of the ones that are out now are based on a far simpler system (except maybe eve) with levels and the classic cookie cutter classes such as Mage, Warrior etc. Ryzom however is purely skill based, so you can be whatever you want and specialize in whatever area you want. So that means in theory, you can be an armour and sword wielding warrior with some magic powers if you want to.
If you want to get into the lore though, your going to have to explore and not just grind, you will also have to learn how to actually roleplay, I found the odd roleplayer around but I have yet to find a guild that suits my character because the roleplaying community seems to be very enclosed and secretive, though that's for you to find out yourself. Ryzom is more of a roleplaying game where you define your role instead of having it forced on you right at the beginning in the character select screen.
Quoting people doesn't make you clever, in fact, it makes you all the more stupid for not bothering to read the quotes you post in the first place.
Aye, if you lack imagination, have no sense of discovery and need someone to tell you what to do, Ryzom can seem somewhat dull. I occasionally have uninspired days when I'm better off playing a FPS or a single player, quest driven RPG. I'm yet to see a mmorpg I'd rather play though.
That first statement was uncalled for and extremely short-sighted. There are many reasons a player might decide they don't like Ryzom. Not liking an open-ended playstyle is as perfectly legitimate as liking it - one's imagination notwithstanding.
I can understand your taking offence at that first statement, however, in context, I was returning in kind a slight in a post suggesting that Ryzom players like being bored.
Looking back at it, I would still stand by it as a statement, because not only do I believe it to be true (see my post earlier in the thread expanding on it), but it doesn't exclude not liking Ryzom for other reasons. It doesn't even say that not liking Ryzom means you have no imagination - it's just saying that you do need imagination to really enjoy Ryzom.
it isn't actually dead, a German company called Gameforge took over the game, but the original French developer company called Nevrax was turned into a branch, it was because they were having to deal with a bankruptcy problem, most of the original developers have stayed with the game and are continuing development of the game, I can safely say that the naysayers are wrong on this point :P
Oh and Kavli...... Just go back to whichever grind game you came from please comments like that I just find stupid
Quoting people doesn't make you clever, in fact, it makes you all the more stupid for not bothering to read the quotes you post in the first place.
Ryzom suffers from a lack of budget and an experienced development team. This game should have been huge but it has been neglected for so long a lot of people have lost faith in it. Its really to bad. The world is awesome to experience in the begining. I would say if you havent tried it yet you should just to see what the game has to offer. However If you are looking for a game full of quests and that sort of content this is not the game for you.
[...] "I'm doing all this grinding, exploring and crafting for...?"
It may sound funny, but I'm playing Ryzom for two years now about six hours a day and the strange thing is that the grinding never gets boring if you use the possibilities ryzom has to offer:
The ecosystem of ryzom is amazing. The world is full of creatures and life in a way I've never seen in another game. You always have the feeling that you're just a guest between all those creatures which hunt themselves, keep wandering from region to region or just come close to you to watch what you're doing there. So while you are leveling it easily can happen that a herbivore flees from a hunting aggro right into your group, pulling the aggro in your levelteam. On first sight this may be annoying but if you think over it you will understand what it means to really *live* on Atys. You get this special feeling of immersion which I don't have when I play e.g. Everquest 2 or WoW.
That's just one example... add the beautiful possibilities of stereotype-free roleplay (yes there is roleplay even when you are just grinding) and the fun you have with the mature and friendly community und you have the answer to your question: You do grinding in Ryzom because grinding in Ryzom is fun!
And... I am even not a PvP-Player. If you like PvP you definitely know why you need your high levels.
Just to add another (quite personal) thought:
Yes, Ryzom has its weaknesses in gameplay as it is a small game with a small developer crew. But its world is done with love and has this "freak factor". It has a soul.
And this I like much more than Everquest or Vanguard where you have a nearly perfect gameplay but a bleak world with some grinding creatures here and some quest-mobs there. A world only created for some quest givers hanging around, no heart and no soul.
And I like a living world which touches my heart and with some mistakes in gameplay much more than a polished highrated game with perfect gameplay but a dull standard world with a "quest here"-sign instead of a soul and a credit card instead of a heart.
---------------------- Playing: Ryzom, Vanguard, Everquest 2 Cancelled: RF online, WoW, Sword of the New World, Rappelz Looking forward to: Spellborn
You left yourself open to it. Look. MMORPGs stem from RPG roots, they've forgotten a lot of what made/makes tabletop RPGs great and substituted things contrary to the model that makes them a less satisfying experience but one of the things that crosses the boundary is the satisfaction of making your own way in whatever world has been created, putting your own spin on it. That's more important than what power you get at level 62 or what the optimum warrior 'build' is. If you don't get that, you've missed the point of the 'RPG' bit. You get out what you put in, if you'd rather be spoonfed there's plenty of options but don't come in slagging or you'll get slapped.
Grim, I don't know why you seem to have a problem with anyone who says Ryzom is lacking content. It's true. It lacks what most games have, ie. "traditional content". I know there is a strong RP aspect in Ryzom, and that's good (I'm actually a RPer in MMOs), but stop comparing it to tabletop RPGs. They are completely different formats. I've played (and RPed in) lots of MMOs and lots of tabletop so I think I can tell the difference.
In Ryzom (or any MMO even) there's no GM to craft the world around your group of characters. (I know you'll say the Ring is like the GM, but it's barely even usable at this point so it doesn't count) There's usually little to no impact on the MMO gameworld, where in tabletop you can affect everything (with GM permission). In Ryzom there's nothing more than generic, repeatable missions, where in tabletop the GM can have any number of things happen, hooking you into scenarios, or even letting you go explore the ruins the local townsfolk spoke of.
MMOs are NOT like tabletop. They share minor similarities, that's it. And Ryzom is no different. Sure you can do whatever you want, but how is that like a tabletop RPG? When was the last time the characters went hunting for wolves/spiders/dragons/etc. so that they could make a piece of armour or craft a sword? Cause that's all I there seems to do in Ryzom. Different creatures, but the same thing nonetheless.
The only game out there that is even close to tabletop is NWN. And that requires a good DM (or multiple DMs, like in a PW) to make it work. Only then can they make the players feel like their characters are making a impact on the gameworld. Perhaps once the Ryzom Ring allows people to host scenarios without having to be online it'll be a closer approximation of tabletop. But then, it'll still be an /approximation/.
Tabletop is dynamic. MMOs are static. There's no way you can compare the two.
Flame on!
I'm not entirely sure what "tabletop" means, but I think Horizons fits best with your description. In Horizons you could open up bridges to inaccesible land, and rescue races to make them accessible to players.
I remember that the project to save the Satyrs was huge, required tons of coordinated effort and tons of time. We had to open up four mines, which itself was a difficult task as it required tons of craftsmanship and flying dragon mules.
Once a mine was open we had to send in warriors to destroy a temple. Destroying these temples wasn't easy, first of all it was a challenge just getting to the temples as you had to fight your way there. Once you got there, you had to pound the crystal in the altar for hours while strong mobs kept spawning around it. Great healers were required.
Unfortunately the game was never given good management and ultimately failed.
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Who want´s to play with the Kid that keeps throwing Shit at the others?
Right, noone.
YOU don´t like this game, YOU have made "enemies" on the Forums because of your ridiculus and over all disgusting behaviour.
I´ll never understand why some people just can´t shut up and go their way if they don´t like something.
So, why just get on with your life outside Ryzom?
Just go away.
MaDSaM
Do you dare to adapt?
I notice that the one trolling and throwing around accusations (without any quotes or links to any supposed accusations of mine) is you.
If I hate the game, why do I say it's the best game for crafting and combat? If I hate the game it seems rather a counterproductive thing to say.
By the way, 'illiterate' is not spelled the way you spelled it (it only has one 'A'). Similarly, you missed the 'O' in 'ridiculous'. Could it perhaps be that, if I called someone illiterate, the accusation had some merit?
Enough said.
And that's called 'damning with faint praise'.
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Again, accusations and ad hominem attacks without a hint of a source or a quote. How brave of you to engage in such bullying. I'm sure you must be much feared in the schoolyard. Sadly, on an internet forum it's hard to spot a coward or a liar, but happily it's easier to defend against them.
Not surprisingly, you both graduate to my blocked members list. I wonder, since you think I'm 'notorious', why I'm not on yours? Could it be that you're just a troll who enjoys flaming folks like me who hold a different viewpoint than yours? It seems so.
Many others here have noted a tendency of the Ryzom fanboys to blindly lash out at anyone who voices any level of criticism of the game. Let's get one thing clear - attacking players doesn't help the game, and stifling criticism doesn't help the game either. In fact stifling critical thought is the worst thing anyone can do for the health of a game. You don't help a person to stay healthy by ignoring symptoms of disease and insisting that the patient is perfectly fine. In fact that's the quickest way to kill someone. It's the same with a game. Blind praise is a game's worst enemy.
Behold...
http://www.ryzom.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25221
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for those who don't want to read through the whole thread.
[Edit: I actually read through a lot of his posts in that thread, and you'd miss out on a lot of whining and doomsday predictions (for SoR) just b/c there was no dance/entertainer profession.]
His bitterness saddens me.
It´s of no use at all.
He won´t get it anyway. *shrug*
CU
MaDSaM
Do you dare to adapt?
I recently downloaded the free trial of ryzom. Although you can only lvl up in fighting, magic, harvesting, and crafting, each branches off into hundreds of different skills. The players were unexpectedly nice, unlike many of the ryzom players who leave posts on this website. People were eager to help and teach, although i wouldn't recomend cursing on the public chat channels (i recieved several messeages to stop =p). The ruins of silan "island" thing is full of quests if you are the kind who enjoys doing what your told. If you're more of the independent type, you don't have to follow the quests to be just as good as eveyone else. And if you're the creative type, there's an "editor" option, where you create your own mini-map and scenarios. I thought the game was great, but i don't think its worth paying $15.00 a month for the normal version.
have fun and enjoy!
98% of the teenage population does or has accepted Marijauna propoganda. If you are one of the 2% that thinks for yourselves and has read any of the many scientific studies that prove cannabis is harmless then please paste this in your signiture.
Ryzom is not a quest driven game. The quests of Ruin of Silan are interesting to do but only here for learning purpose.
On the mainland, you will find very very few real quests. The main goal of Ryzom is elsewhere (RP, Exploring, PvP, Crafting, Harvesting, Hunting...)
Behold...
http://www.ryzom.com/forum/showthread.php?t=25221
My oh my.. i came here to get some information about this game because i was interested in becoming a payed member after enjoying the trial. But this Grim guy makes me so..so sad.
Dude.. cool down. It's not like people abused your mother. it's a video game for fu*** sake. Whats wrong with you? i have some questions for you..
How old are you?, When was the last time you went out of your room?, Do you have a job? because you really really creep me out for some reason.
No sane person would defend a bloody game like this.. damn some people can be really scary. THERE IS LIFE OUTSIDE THIS WORLD MADE OF PIXEL!!
I have an aversion to bullshit, the guy demanded that the 'accusations' against him be backed up, I provided.
Oh look, he shut up.
31, about five minutes ago, I write games for a living.
Sane people protect the things they love, or used to love.
Insane people prosecute a vendetta against something they don't play any more across multiple forums based upon the game's lack of dancing.
Postmortem Studios
Roleplaying games to DIE for
Shop here
It seems to me that Ryzom - as it was when I played it - was a great community game where you can hang out with cool people while you went around and hunted or crafted or what-not. Inevitably, I found myself wondering "I'm doing all this grinding, exploring and crafting for...?" For a long time, the response I'd see was "well, the real story hasn't started - everything up 'til now has been a prelude. Once the real story starts, everything you do will have more meaning". This was said almost 2 years ago. Last I checked several months back, it hasn't changed. That's the reason I no longer play. I don't want my hand-held... but I also want some kind of purpose or point, in the context of the game's world/lore, to work toward a goal I'm working toward, beyond just for the sake of doing it.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
Ryzom is basically like a re-incarnation of pre-nge SWG without the harvesters, many gamers have not experienced this style of free roaming and skill based MMORPG and so they will most likely find it not to their tastes. If your talking about 'other' MMORPG's most of the ones that are out now are based on a far simpler system (except maybe eve) with levels and the classic cookie cutter classes such as Mage, Warrior etc. Ryzom however is purely skill based, so you can be whatever you want and specialize in whatever area you want. So that means in theory, you can be an armour and sword wielding warrior with some magic powers if you want to.
If you want to get into the lore though, your going to have to explore and not just grind, you will also have to learn how to actually roleplay, I found the odd roleplayer around but I have yet to find a guild that suits my character because the roleplaying community seems to be very enclosed and secretive, though that's for you to find out yourself. Ryzom is more of a roleplaying game where you define your role instead of having it forced on you right at the beginning in the character select screen.
Quoting people doesn't make you clever, in fact, it makes you all the more stupid for not bothering to read the quotes you post in the first place.
I can understand your taking offence at that first statement, however, in context, I was returning in kind a slight in a post suggesting that Ryzom players like being bored.
Looking back at it, I would still stand by it as a statement, because not only do I believe it to be true (see my post earlier in the thread expanding on it), but it doesn't exclude not liking Ryzom for other reasons. It doesn't even say that not liking Ryzom means you have no imagination - it's just saying that you do need imagination to really enjoy Ryzom.
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Oh and Kavli...... Just go back to whichever grind game you came from please comments like that I just find stupid
Quoting people doesn't make you clever, in fact, it makes you all the more stupid for not bothering to read the quotes you post in the first place.
The ecosystem of ryzom is amazing. The world is full of creatures and life in a way I've never seen in another game. You always have the feeling that you're just a guest between all those creatures which hunt themselves, keep wandering from region to region or just come close to you to watch what you're doing there. So while you are leveling it easily can happen that a herbivore flees from a hunting aggro right into your group, pulling the aggro in your levelteam. On first sight this may be annoying but if you think over it you will understand what it means to really *live* on Atys. You get this special feeling of immersion which I don't have when I play e.g. Everquest 2 or WoW.
That's just one example... add the beautiful possibilities of stereotype-free roleplay (yes there is roleplay even when you are just grinding) and the fun you have with the mature and friendly community und you have the answer to your question: You do grinding in Ryzom because grinding in Ryzom is fun!
And... I am even not a PvP-Player. If you like PvP you definitely know why you need your high levels.
Just to add another (quite personal) thought:
Yes, Ryzom has its weaknesses in gameplay as it is a small game with a small developer crew. But its world is done with love and has this "freak factor". It has a soul.
And this I like much more than Everquest or Vanguard where you have a nearly perfect gameplay but a bleak world with some grinding creatures here and some quest-mobs there. A world only created for some quest givers hanging around, no heart and no soul.
And I like a living world which touches my heart and with some mistakes in gameplay much more than a polished highrated game with perfect gameplay but a dull standard world with a "quest here"-sign instead of a soul and a credit card instead of a heart.
----------------------
Playing: Ryzom, Vanguard, Everquest 2
Cancelled: RF online, WoW, Sword of the New World, Rappelz
Looking forward to: Spellborn
Grim, I don't know why you seem to have a problem with anyone who says Ryzom is lacking content. It's true. It lacks what most games have, ie. "traditional content". I know there is a strong RP aspect in Ryzom, and that's good (I'm actually a RPer in MMOs), but stop comparing it to tabletop RPGs. They are completely different formats. I've played (and RPed in) lots of MMOs and lots of tabletop so I think I can tell the difference.
In Ryzom (or any MMO even) there's no GM to craft the world around your group of characters. (I know you'll say the Ring is like the GM, but it's barely even usable at this point so it doesn't count) There's usually little to no impact on the MMO gameworld, where in tabletop you can affect everything (with GM permission). In Ryzom there's nothing more than generic, repeatable missions, where in tabletop the GM can have any number of things happen, hooking you into scenarios, or even letting you go explore the ruins the local townsfolk spoke of.
MMOs are NOT like tabletop. They share minor similarities, that's it. And Ryzom is no different. Sure you can do whatever you want, but how is that like a tabletop RPG? When was the last time the characters went hunting for wolves/spiders/dragons/etc. so that they could make a piece of armour or craft a sword? Cause that's all I there seems to do in Ryzom. Different creatures, but the same thing nonetheless.
The only game out there that is even close to tabletop is NWN. And that requires a good DM (or multiple DMs, like in a PW) to make it work. Only then can they make the players feel like their characters are making a impact on the gameworld. Perhaps once the Ryzom Ring allows people to host scenarios without having to be online it'll be a closer approximation of tabletop. But then, it'll still be an /approximation/.
Tabletop is dynamic. MMOs are static. There's no way you can compare the two.
Flame on!
I'm not entirely sure what "tabletop" means, but I think Horizons fits best with your description. In Horizons you could open up bridges to inaccesible land, and rescue races to make them accessible to players.I remember that the project to save the Satyrs was huge, required tons of coordinated effort and tons of time. We had to open up four mines, which itself was a difficult task as it required tons of craftsmanship and flying dragon mules.
Once a mine was open we had to send in warriors to destroy a temple. Destroying these temples wasn't easy, first of all it was a challenge just getting to the temples as you had to fight your way there. Once you got there, you had to pound the crystal in the altar for hours while strong mobs kept spawning around it. Great healers were required.
Unfortunately the game was never given good management and ultimately failed.