I liked the videos. It'll be interesting to see how they incorporate flying mounts into the game. Vendor purchase? Quest? Level requirement? Set free from some dungeon? Hmm... lots of possibilities.
And please Anofalye, can't you keep your raiding rant to the threads about raiding? Geez. Have some dignity to your campaign at least.
Why is every animation I've ever seen for Vanguard look so damn choppy? ...I was actually following this game before I saw in-game footage. Now I'll be sticking with what I'm already playing.
Vanguard, your animators should be fired.
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Originally posted by Ryun511 Sigil didn't get dumped by Microsoft, they left. Also the game is said to release at around 18gb. Just wanted to throw that out there.
Who can honestly give one inch of a toss about the animations ingame when the game itself is slated to be 18gigs worth. 18 GIGS. What the holey hell are they thinking?
Added to that, they have the pure genious publicity department of SoE - aka EQ2's EoF expansion not being available in boxes anywhere in the WORLD besides big US cities and 3rd party website stores, therefor forcing everyone to digitally download it to save them money - and you're left with 100,000 people downloading 18 gigs of data the day the game releases?
Has this been addressed? Have they guaranteed boxes in stores in every corner of every country they're letting play their game?
I have Station Access atm and was going to try this because I am seriously THAT bored (though still couldn't give two tosses about Vg), but after reading that comment, 18gigs, I'm not even going to bother looking twice, EVEN if it's reviewed as the best MMO ever released.
Seriously, who supplies the crack at Sigil?
Oh yeah, the animations. Well to me they look like they got ripped straight out of EQ2. But that's to be expected I guess.
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Originally posted by paade first of all, im not even going to play VG, i think its game mechanics suck. Now thats out of the way, i just wanted to come in and ridicule all of you. "Flapping of wings doesnt look real"...? WTF, who gives a shit?! Its no wonder MMORPGs are going downhill if people whine and cry something as trivial as wing flapping! Its not supposed to be a fucking documentary ffs.
/rant off
^ lol no kidding, it's like some people look at the bright side of things, while others look for things to complain about. So far, we got people complaining about flapping, raiding, size of the game, gameplay, animation, where rider sits, etc.. all that from just 2 short videos of flying mounts lol. It's actually comedy anymore.
Originally posted by paade first of all, im not even going to play VG, i think its game mechanics suck. Now thats out of the way, i just wanted to come in and ridicule all of you. "Flapping of wings doesnt look real"...? WTF, who gives a shit?! Its no wonder MMORPGs are going downhill if people whine and cry something as trivial as wing flapping! Its not supposed to be a fucking documentary ffs.
/rant off
^ lol no kidding, it's like some people look at the bright side of things, while others look for things to complain about. So far, we got people complaining about flapping, raiding, size of the game, gameplay, animation, where rider sits, etc.. all that from just 2 short videos of flying mounts lol. It's actually comedy anymore. I agree... I'm thinking this site should be renamed MMORPGC.com... meaning Massive Multi-player Online Role Playing Games Complaints.com. Never before on any other site have I seen a larger bunch of whiners. Can't you find anything good to say about a game even if its one you aren't interested in. There are tons of games here I don't give a hoot about, but you won't find me bashing them just because I can. As for the TOPIC of this post, I thought the videos looked great. Can't wait to see it in action.
Originally posted by Arremus Originally posted by Ryun511Sigil didn't get dumped by Microsoft, they left. Also the game is said to release at around 18gb. Just wanted to throw that out there.
Who can honestly give one inch of a toss about the animations ingame when the game itself is slated to be 18gigs worth. 18 GIGS. What the holey hell are they thinking?Added to that, they have the pure genious publicity department of SoE - aka EQ2's EoF expansion not being available in boxes anywhere in the WORLD besides big US cities and 3rd party website stores, therefor forcing everyone to digitally download it to save them money - and you're left with 100,000 people downloading 18 gigs of data the day the game releases?Has this been addressed? Have they guaranteed boxes in stores in every corner of every country they're letting play their game?I have Station Access atm and was going to try this because I am seriously THAT bored (though still couldn't give two tosses about Vg), but after reading that comment, 18gigs, I'm not even going to bother looking twice, EVEN if it's reviewed as the best MMO ever released. Seriously, who supplies the crack at Sigil? Oh yeah, the animations. Well to me they look like they got ripped straight out of EQ2. But that's to be expected I guess.
Why is 18 gigs such a big deal to you? 18 gigs is nothing.
You don't need to buy a box for SOE's products all are available for download.
I've never had a problem with Downloads from SOE servers being slow. They're usually faster than a well seeded bitorrent file.
Originally posted by Ryun511Sigil didn't get dumped by Microsoft, they left. Also the game is said to release at around 18gb. Just wanted to throw that out there.
Who can honestly give one inch of a toss about the animations ingame when the game itself is slated to be 18gigs worth. 18 GIGS. What the holey hell are they thinking?Added to that, they have the pure genious publicity department of SoE - aka EQ2's EoF expansion not being available in boxes anywhere in the WORLD besides big US cities and 3rd party website stores, therefor forcing everyone to digitally download it to save them money - and you're left with 100,000 people downloading 18 gigs of data the day the game releases?Has this been addressed? Have they guaranteed boxes in stores in every corner of every country they're letting play their game?I have Station Access atm and was going to try this because I am seriously THAT bored (though still couldn't give two tosses about Vg), but after reading that comment, 18gigs, I'm not even going to bother looking twice, EVEN if it's reviewed as the best MMO ever released. Seriously, who supplies the crack at Sigil? Oh yeah, the animations. Well to me they look like they got ripped straight out of EQ2. But that's to be expected I guess.
Why is 18 gigs such a big deal to you? 18 gigs is nothing.
You don't need to buy a box for SOE's products all are available for download.
I've never had a problem with Downloads from SOE servers being slow. They're usually faster than a well seeded bitorrent file.
/agree WTF is everyones problem wit AAHHH 18GB!, come on thats going to fit in any 200GB hard drive easily which is a pretty standard size even old/cheaper pcs have 80GB thats only i lil more than 20% hard drive space, also if hard drive is one of you greater concerns in terms of copatibility because i should expect that the CPU/GFX will be more of a worry.
people must understand that although 18Gb is quite alot computers are moving on you cant expect games to stay in the 2-4GB ballpark much longer (dvd sized).
'it is the beging of the end of the dvd era and blu ray is just coming into the light.'
i welcome 18GB as long as its good content there must be enough there for a good long time.
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There is something about Vanguard in all their vids i dont like. The movements, I guess animations are too rigid. They dont flow at all. Simple walking and running of characters does not look natural. If you check Wow's characters running or on mounts, or flying mounts it has a much more natural flowing animation to it. Much more apeasing to the eye. I know this is small but animations are as important as graphics when it comes to these games. Combat for instance is all about animations more then graphics. I hope they can improve this but I doubt it. Gameplay will have to make up for this if it's going to be top knotch game.
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Originally posted by DrSmaSh Wow. Now that's what I'm talking about. Still far from perfect tho... But way better then those early vidios.But I have yet too see a smooth ingame video of Vanguard. Did any one else noticed that every ingame video is running at like... 8fps?That is what I don't like.
You have to keep in mind that a lot of the videos you see online are going to be reduced from their actual quality simply due to file size. If you want to see an amazing in-game video, there's a really great one on the pre-order dvd complete with commentary by Brad and Jeff
Looks amazingly good for a game still in beta. I wonder if/how PvP will work on flying mounts. Oh, and yes, if anyone is freaking out over 18 gigs, probaly means you don't need to be playing mmo's.
It never ceases to amaze me the sheer number of whiners in the MMORPG community.
Some people have voiced valid concerns or opinions in this thread, concerns like...
The reverse motion of the Pegasus, yes it's far too fast and I'll put money on it that is changed before release.
Forced end game raid content ruining balance and game experience, I agree with this, Sigil have stated though that there will be top tier items available not only from raiding but from high level crafting (requires gathering of very high quality materials which may be difficult), from quests and from other non raid dungeons. with any luck this should keep those of us who don't want to be forced into 5 hours a night of raiding to avoid being gimped happy.
But the whining about the pegasus flight is just unreal, as pointed out by a few people already, it is MYTHICAL, I think they've created a very good representation of a Pegasus, the galloping on thin air is not "GAY" as some people have pointed out, much like all representations of Santa Claus' reindeer galloping on thin air, it is traditional thought of for a Pegasus to fly like that, horses don't fly even with wings, if it were left to evolution a Pegasus of ancient times today would be a white horse with two stubby wings that it has found no use for and as such have virtually disapeared.
The Wyrm needs a little work, I think it looks great personaly but others disagree, so maybe they could touch it up somewhat.
Someone commented it looked just like EQ2 and that SOE were borrowing a lot from EQ2 and they should admit it, well, you are simply a moron....you've based your entire statement on a tiny Macromedia flash video. Those of us who have been following the game know that the engine is completely different and was developed by Sigil not SOE, it is a heavily modified version of the Unreal 2 engine, SOE joined the party very late. Some of the designers worked on EQ2 for sure, but this game is as similar to EQ2 as it is to WoW, EQ1, AO, SWG and UO.
Of course there are similarities between them, Sigil admitted the previous MMO's got a lot right and they saw no reason in not using what already works.
It is an awesome game that includes features such as a massive game world, 15 playable classes, 19 seperate races, seperate crafting, diplomacy and adventuring spheres of progression, ship crafting and travel, house crafting and usage, mounts as early as level 8 with modable armour and horse shoes for speed/stability, a plethora of flying mounts at later levels (I think as early as level 40, maybe a little earlier), amasing graphics (to the moron who thinks he's seen better graphics in plenty of Korean games again your basing this pathetic statment on a very small macromedia flash video not designed to show off the graphics, just flying mounts).
One final rant to go...almost done.
To the person who complained aobut the game size being 18gb, well it's down to 17 and they hope to reduce it again before release, if you think having a game size of 17gb is a problem then you are way behind the times, the gameworld is massive, the graphics (and textures) look fantastic and that takes space, in a world were £40 or $78 will buy you a 250GB HDD you're seriously going to complain about a game taking up 17GB?
Games like Medieval 2 :Total War take up 8GB, MS Flight SIm X takes up 15GB, you'd better start getting used to it.
Let's have a summary.....
The game isn't finished yet, it's developement is progressing at a phenomenal rate and will be released probably sometime in March (Q1 2007 is the official word), if you decide not to play it for one of the petty reasons above you're going to miss out.
You are welcome to defend this game all you like. I would like to see the game succeed, not because I have any interest in playing it, but because every time a PC game fails it shifts the momentum, if only just a bit, towards consoles. I suspect the game has problems though, for one glaring reason, Microsoft wouldn't let a cash cow slip through their fingers. To cut the game loose this late in development means they didn't see a great potential for it. It certainly won't be a WoW killer and if it hurts any existing game it will be those in the Sony stable. So it's probably a good move on Sony's part to hook up with Sigil. Oh, and I've head nothing nice from anyone claiming to be in the Beta tests (they could just be haters though, who would know for sure)
I dont know if you remember the initial flying mount video presented after e3. If you compare this video to the previous one then you will notice that the criticisms of the first video, stiff wings in particular adn poor animation has been significantly improved. I think the wyrm video demonstrates a new direction in animation quality. The pegasus does not look as far along as the wyrm in terms of animation. I think they have overcome the hard part and now just have to do minor tweaks to make the wyrm perfect. The pegasus looks far more early on in development and shares many qualities with the older animations seen in the previous circa E3 videos
Originally posted by schmootzig Originally posted by DrSmaSh Wow. Now that's what I'm talking about. Still far from perfect tho... But way better then those early vidios.But I have yet too see a smooth ingame video of Vanguard. Did any one else noticed that every ingame video is running at like... 8fps?That is what I don't like.
You have to keep in mind that a lot of the videos you see online are going to be reduced from their actual quality simply due to file size. If you want to see an amazing in-game video, there's a really great one on the pre-order dvd complete with commentary by Brad and Jeff
Yeah dude. But check SOE animation at the start. Now that's a smooth running animation. And now fastforward and check the in-game video. Poor, very poor.
Every time I read your post, I die a little inside...
You are welcome to defend this game all you like. I would like to see the game succeed, not because I have any interest in playing it, but because every time a PC game fails it shifts the momentum, if only just a bit, towards consoles. I suspect the game has problems though, for one glaring reason, Microsoft wouldn't let a cash cow slip through their fingers. To cut the game loose this late in development means they didn't see a great potential for it. It certainly won't be a WoW killer and if it hurts any existing game it will be those in the Sony stable. So it's probably a good move on Sony's part to hook up with Sigil. Oh, and I've head nothing nice from anyone claiming to be in the Beta tests (they could just be haters though, who would know for sure)
First off, anyone who says they are in the Beta is lacking in integrity and honesty since its against the NDA to even say they are in the beta much less say anything about the game. Second, if they lack the integrity and honesty to stick to the NDA what makes you think they will be honest and true about the state of the game itself. I personally wouldn't believe a thing they'd have to say since they probably aren't really in the beta in the first place. I for one am waiting for the game to come out before I say good or bad about it simply because I have never played it. I am looking forward to seeing what it becomes...
i still have my fingers crossed but the videos that are released really are for purposes of advertising but they don't seem exactly top notch - and they really should be
I would have liked to see the wyrm as a playerclass much like horizons did with mounts rather than a mount.
cant say i agree with you there, is it likely the wyrm has an evolved society or tradeing abilities, i could understand say a faun or thoose part human/part horse creatures whos name i forget.
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Whining or not people are entitled to their comments, be it positive or not. What kind of beta test would you have if all you ever heard were positive kiss ass comments. All the VG fanbois are grouping here now to try to drum up more subs, the games probably already in trouble with lacking preorders, I imagine a small minute fraction of WOW's numbers.
Just my thoughts, the game is in trouble becuase it lacks a new look, it reminds me of EQ2 very wooden. But hey some people may go for that look, just not me, or any friends I have that play mmo's. The big SOE graphic spells doom for the game in my book, nothing refreshing or new about this one unfortunately, becuase I was really looking forward to VG. Looks like a solid pass.
Personally I think Vanguard's graphics look a lot more colorful and artistic than EQ2's. Yes EQ2's realism was one of the biggest complaints in the past 2 years, even from those that actively play EQ2. SOE even acknowledged the game lacked color and immersion sometimes, that's why they released Faydwer expansion, which added a lot of colorful zones. But even comparing to that, I still think Vanguard's graphics are a lot more artistic and immersive. For that alone, and the obvious fact that Vanguard has no zones while EQ2 is all about zones & instances, I think it's quite unfair to say Vanguard is like EQ2 because it isn't.
I've played EQ2 twice, once pre-PvP servers and once after PvP servers came out. I honestly have not seen graphics in EQ2 anywhere close to what I've seen in Vanguard so far. You can tell Vanguard is trying to make their game more fantasy like instead of more real-life like. So I don't know what the big deal is when people keep on saying "oh vanguard is just like EQ2"...it really isn't heh.
But like you said, people can have their opinions, so you have yours, I got mine. My suggestion to everybody, including my suggestion to players asking if they should play WoW when I was actively playing WoW, is to simply give it a try and see if the game fits you. Because you can see all the reviews, but you just never know what might fit you. Like movies, I would've missed a lot of good movies that *i* like if all I do is listen to Ebert & Roeper's reviews.
You are welcome to defend this game all you like. I would like to see the game succeed, not because I have any interest in playing it, but because every time a PC game fails it shifts the momentum, if only just a bit, towards consoles. I suspect the game has problems though, for one glaring reason, Microsoft wouldn't let a cash cow slip through their fingers. To cut the game loose this late in development means they didn't see a great potential for it. It certainly won't be a WoW killer and if it hurts any existing game it will be those in the Sony stable. So it's probably a good move on Sony's part to hook up with Sigil. Oh, and I've head nothing nice from anyone claiming to be in the Beta tests (they could just be haters though, who would know for sure)
Sigil won't confirm or deny the rumor that they bought out Microsofts part of Vanguard because Microsoft wanted to make it run exclusivly on the new Vista system. Knowing a little bit about Microsofts reputation, I'd be inclined to believe that Sigil wanted the game to succeed more then they wanted to help microsoft make big sales on another product. In my opinion Microsoft has never made a decent game, and the game companys they buy up all go downhill very fast.
Is Vanguard in trouble? I'm guessing we'll find out sometime after launch. Untill that happens I'm not sure how anyone can have real strong oppinions about an unreleased game. I'd like it to be a good game, but I won't buy it till after I've read a few good reviews in the spring. summer? next fall maybe?
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And please Anofalye, can't you keep your raiding rant to the threads about raiding? Geez. Have some dignity to your campaign at least.
Still hopefully it will come out alright in the end..
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Why is every animation I've ever seen for Vanguard look so damn choppy? ...I was actually following this game before I saw in-game footage. Now I'll be sticking with what I'm already playing.
Vanguard, your animators should be fired.
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Who can honestly give one inch of a toss about the animations ingame when the game itself is slated to be 18gigs worth. 18 GIGS. What the holey hell are they thinking?
Added to that, they have the pure genious publicity department of SoE - aka EQ2's EoF expansion not being available in boxes anywhere in the WORLD besides big US cities and 3rd party website stores, therefor forcing everyone to digitally download it to save them money - and you're left with 100,000 people downloading 18 gigs of data the day the game releases?
Has this been addressed? Have they guaranteed boxes in stores in every corner of every country they're letting play their game?
I have Station Access atm and was going to try this because I am seriously THAT bored (though still couldn't give two tosses about Vg), but after reading that comment, 18gigs, I'm not even going to bother looking twice, EVEN if it's reviewed as the best MMO ever released.
Seriously, who supplies the crack at Sigil?
Oh yeah, the animations. Well to me they look like they got ripped straight out of EQ2. But that's to be expected I guess.
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I agree... I'm thinking this site should be renamed MMORPGC.com... meaning Massive Multi-player Online Role Playing Games Complaints.com. Never before on any other site have I seen a larger bunch of whiners. Can't you find anything good to say about a game even if its one you aren't interested in. There are tons of games here I don't give a hoot about, but you won't find me bashing them just because I can.
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Seriously, who supplies the crack at Sigil?
Oh yeah, the animations. Well to me they look like they got ripped straight out of EQ2. But that's to be expected I guess.
Why is 18 gigs such a big deal to you? 18 gigs is nothing.
You don't need to buy a box for SOE's products all are available for download.
I've never had a problem with Downloads from SOE servers being slow. They're usually faster than a well seeded bitorrent file.
Make a difference!
Seriously, who supplies the crack at Sigil?
Oh yeah, the animations. Well to me they look like they got ripped straight out of EQ2. But that's to be expected I guess.
Why is 18 gigs such a big deal to you? 18 gigs is nothing.
You don't need to buy a box for SOE's products all are available for download.
I've never had a problem with Downloads from SOE servers being slow. They're usually faster than a well seeded bitorrent file.
/agree WTF is everyones problem wit AAHHH 18GB!, come on thats going to fit in any 200GB hard drive easily which is a pretty standard size even old/cheaper pcs have 80GB thats only i lil more than 20% hard drive space, also if hard drive is one of you greater concerns in terms of copatibility because i should expect that the CPU/GFX will be more of a worry.
people must understand that although 18Gb is quite alot computers are moving on you cant expect games to stay in the 2-4GB ballpark much longer (dvd sized).
'it is the beging of the end of the dvd era and blu ray is just coming into the light.'
i welcome 18GB as long as its good content there must be enough there for a good long time.
EQ2 player
Ex - EVE Online addict
played -
SWG, EQ2, Vanguard, Planetside, Second Life, EVE-O and a few randoms
--------------------
10 million people play WoW but I have yet to find one who admits liking it?!"
"Aion has the grind of EQ, the PvP of DAoC, and the smooth playability of WoW."
It never ceases to amaze me the sheer number of whiners in the MMORPG community.
Some people have voiced valid concerns or opinions in this thread, concerns like...
The reverse motion of the Pegasus, yes it's far too fast and I'll put money on it that is changed before release.
Forced end game raid content ruining balance and game experience, I agree with this, Sigil have stated though that there will be top tier items available not only from raiding but from high level crafting (requires gathering of very high quality materials which may be difficult), from quests and from other non raid dungeons. with any luck this should keep those of us who don't want to be forced into 5 hours a night of raiding to avoid being gimped happy.
But the whining about the pegasus flight is just unreal, as pointed out by a few people already, it is MYTHICAL, I think they've created a very good representation of a Pegasus, the galloping on thin air is not "GAY" as some people have pointed out, much like all representations of Santa Claus' reindeer galloping on thin air, it is traditional thought of for a Pegasus to fly like that, horses don't fly even with wings, if it were left to evolution a Pegasus of ancient times today would be a white horse with two stubby wings that it has found no use for and as such have virtually disapeared.
The Wyrm needs a little work, I think it looks great personaly but others disagree, so maybe they could touch it up somewhat.
Someone commented it looked just like EQ2 and that SOE were borrowing a lot from EQ2 and they should admit it, well, you are simply a moron....you've based your entire statement on a tiny Macromedia flash video. Those of us who have been following the game know that the engine is completely different and was developed by Sigil not SOE, it is a heavily modified version of the Unreal 2 engine, SOE joined the party very late. Some of the designers worked on EQ2 for sure, but this game is as similar to EQ2 as it is to WoW, EQ1, AO, SWG and UO.
Of course there are similarities between them, Sigil admitted the previous MMO's got a lot right and they saw no reason in not using what already works.
It is an awesome game that includes features such as a massive game world, 15 playable classes, 19 seperate races, seperate crafting, diplomacy and adventuring spheres of progression, ship crafting and travel, house crafting and usage, mounts as early as level 8 with modable armour and horse shoes for speed/stability, a plethora of flying mounts at later levels (I think as early as level 40, maybe a little earlier), amasing graphics (to the moron who thinks he's seen better graphics in plenty of Korean games again your basing this pathetic statment on a very small macromedia flash video not designed to show off the graphics, just flying mounts).
One final rant to go...almost done.
To the person who complained aobut the game size being 18gb, well it's down to 17 and they hope to reduce it again before release, if you think having a game size of 17gb is a problem then you are way behind the times, the gameworld is massive, the graphics (and textures) look fantastic and that takes space, in a world were £40 or $78 will buy you a 250GB HDD you're seriously going to complain about a game taking up 17GB?
Games like Medieval 2 :Total War take up 8GB, MS Flight SIm X takes up 15GB, you'd better start getting used to it.
Let's have a summary.....
The game isn't finished yet, it's developement is progressing at a phenomenal rate and will be released probably sometime in March (Q1 2007 is the official word), if you decide not to play it for one of the petty reasons above you're going to miss out.
Yeah dude. But check SOE animation at the start. Now that's a smooth running animation. And now fastforward and check the in-game video. Poor, very poor.
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i still have my fingers crossed but the videos that are released really are for purposes of advertising but they don't seem exactly top notch - and they really should be
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cant say i agree with you there, is it likely the wyrm has an evolved society or tradeing abilities, i could understand say a faun or thoose part human/part horse creatures whos name i forget.
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Ex - EVE Online addict
played -
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Whining or not people are entitled to their comments, be it positive or not. What kind of beta test would you have if all you ever heard were positive kiss ass comments. All the VG fanbois are grouping here now to try to drum up more subs, the games probably already in trouble with lacking preorders, I imagine a small minute fraction of WOW's numbers.
Just my thoughts, the game is in trouble becuase it lacks a new look, it reminds me of EQ2 very wooden. But hey some people may go for that look, just not me, or any friends I have that play mmo's. The big SOE graphic spells doom for the game in my book, nothing refreshing or new about this one unfortunately, becuase I was really looking forward to VG. Looks like a solid pass.
Personally I think Vanguard's graphics look a lot more colorful and artistic than EQ2's. Yes EQ2's realism was one of the biggest complaints in the past 2 years, even from those that actively play EQ2. SOE even acknowledged the game lacked color and immersion sometimes, that's why they released Faydwer expansion, which added a lot of colorful zones. But even comparing to that, I still think Vanguard's graphics are a lot more artistic and immersive. For that alone, and the obvious fact that Vanguard has no zones while EQ2 is all about zones & instances, I think it's quite unfair to say Vanguard is like EQ2 because it isn't.
I've played EQ2 twice, once pre-PvP servers and once after PvP servers came out. I honestly have not seen graphics in EQ2 anywhere close to what I've seen in Vanguard so far. You can tell Vanguard is trying to make their game more fantasy like instead of more real-life like. So I don't know what the big deal is when people keep on saying "oh vanguard is just like EQ2"...it really isn't heh.
But like you said, people can have their opinions, so you have yours, I got mine. My suggestion to everybody, including my suggestion to players asking if they should play WoW when I was actively playing WoW, is to simply give it a try and see if the game fits you. Because you can see all the reviews, but you just never know what might fit you. Like movies, I would've missed a lot of good movies that *i* like if all I do is listen to Ebert & Roeper's reviews.
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Sigil won't confirm or deny the rumor that they bought out Microsofts part of Vanguard because Microsoft wanted to make it run exclusivly on the new Vista system. Knowing a little bit about Microsofts reputation, I'd be inclined to believe that Sigil wanted the game to succeed more then they wanted to help microsoft make big sales on another product. In my opinion Microsoft has never made a decent game, and the game companys they buy up all go downhill very fast.
Is Vanguard in trouble? I'm guessing we'll find out sometime after launch. Untill that happens I'm not sure how anyone can have real strong oppinions about an unreleased game. I'd like it to be a good game, but I won't buy it till after I've read a few good reviews in the spring. summer? next fall maybe?