A lot of factors go into how much someone gets paid, nobody looks at a woman and goes "you know what, I'm going to pay her 25c less than Bob over there because she has a vagina"
Wow do you really believe that? I'll tell you a story then.. Once upon a time I applied to a well-paying office job with a VERY corporate by-the-books company. I applied through all of the proper channels, as instructed. I had a glowing recommendation from a male department manager who had seen my design skills and knew I was horribly overqualified for the position to which I was applying. I went to the interview and was told that I left a fantastic impression and was a perfect candidate. The business began making arrangements with me for my pay and briefed me on my assignments. ..But I never got a call back. When I phoned in to see what the problem was, the person I spoke to said the official response was that they simply did not need my services, but the truth was that the manager in charge of the department I had applied to told everyone I was an attractive female and therefore "had obviously slept with" the man who gave me the glowing recommendation. I will admit, I have lived a very protected privileged life. I am certain women who are attempting to work blue collar and retail jobs have a harder time than I. Sexism is very very real and big business is not innocent by any means, no matter how many company policies they have.
That's not sexism, sexism is a belief that one sex is superior to the other. They wrongly believed that you had slept with someone to get a recomendation, though stupid of them, it's not sexist. And it doesn't change what I said about many factors going into how much someone gets paid. Question though, how exactly do you KNOW what the manager of the department told everyone? Is that a guess on your part, or is it second hand information told to you by somebody else?
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
That's not sexism, sexism is a belief that one sex is superior to the other. They wrongly believed that you had slept with someone to get a recomendation, though stupid of them, it's not sexist. And it doesn't change what I said about many factors going into how much someone gets paid. Question though, how exactly do you KNOW what the manager of the department told everyone? Is that a guess on your part, or is it second hand information told to you by somebody else?
That is exactly sexism. Because I was an "attractive female" (his wording, not mine) it was assumed I had slept my way to the top to get a good recommendation, despite the fact that I was ridiculously overqualified for the position. Had a male walked in with the same circumstances and qualifications it would not have been an issue.
The answer to your question is that I was told BY another manager when I called to check on the status of my application. That manager also reported the incident. The one who said it did get fired, but the one who reported him got demoted, and of course I was never re-considered for the position. That's the system at work.
Fact is, you can't just assume that women are getting paid less because they are not as qualified for the higher paying jobs as men. Many of the studies that show women being paid less are studying men and women in identical jobs or fields. I agree that you can't compare two different jobs when comparing wages, but let's use your own example...
You mentioned that in a department store you generally see women as cashiers and men as department managers, right? Fact is, the men and women generally enter the store with the same qualifications. The department store wants the women up front as cashiers because they believe that they will make the most money if the first and last face a customer sees upon entering the store is a cheery young woman. They place the men as department workers because they figure that a customer will believe that a man knows what he is doing better than a female would. Because there is little or no promotion from cashier, the women remain at the same pay rate and the men can be promoted from department worker to team head to department manager and possibly to store management. His salary will increase despite the fact that he may be working just as hard or less hard than the cashiers. All because the store wants a shining pretty face at the door.
That's not sexism, sexism is a belief that one sex is superior to the other.
that's funny. all of the sources i've checked state that sexism is discrimination and/or hatered against people based on their sex. Not necessarily that one is superior to another. I think you're thinking more along the lines of chauvinism
I see outofctl with an excel spreadsheet next to him when he posts.
The excel spreadsheet contains the topic verbatim and how many reply posts he gets, with a few columns.
1. Number of total replies
2. Number of total replies after 6 hours of posting (to get an idea of how fiery the topic is)
etc, etc.
I don't care much for the content of the post, i care about how short-sighted it is. I know i've been guilty of the same thing, but goddamn it, look at things critically.
1. Thank Wal-mart for lowering the prices for us . . .
How can you think that and not think of their national and global repurcussions. Do us a favor outofctrl, before you post something like this, take a look on the internet to see if there are counterpoints. What the fuck kind of post is this man? That's so one-sided and short-sighted it's amazing.
Here's something I found on the internet, the lovely things you can thank wal-mart for, aren't they the nation's largest employer or the largest behind the US Gov't or whatever.
Now do that for every business you put up there and see what you get. You know what, here's another outofctrl like thought, but it'll be an excerpt.
Thank god for terrorists, look how many new CIA and security jobs they created. See, outofctrl, this sentence is intellectually akin to what you did in your post.
Later honey,
Cryomatrix
Catch me streaming at twitch.tv/cryomatrix You can see my sci-fi/WW2 book recommendations.
That's not sexism, sexism is a belief that one sex is superior to the other. They wrongly believed that you had slept with someone to get a recomendation, though stupid of them, it's not sexist. And it doesn't change what I said about many factors going into how much someone gets paid. Question though, how exactly do you KNOW what the manager of the department told everyone? Is that a guess on your part, or is it second hand information told to you by somebody else?
That is exactly sexism. Because I was an "attractive female" (his wording, not mine) it was assumed I had slept my way to the top to get a good recommendation, despite the fact that I was ridiculously overqualified for the position. Had a male walked in with the same circumstances and qualifications it would not have been an issue.
I will concede the sexism bit, only because I can buy that you didn't get a job based on the fact that you are female. Not because I believe that your incident is truly sexism in the real sense of the word. But I will agree that you were certainly bullshitted out of a job based on your sex.
The answer to your question is that I was told BY another manager when I called to check on the status of my application. That manager also reported the incident. The one who said it did get fired, but the one who reported him got demoted, and of course I was never re-considered for the position. That's the system at work.
The system sucks, I'll never argue against that.
Fact is, you can't just assume that women are getting paid less because they are not as qualified for the higher paying jobs as men. Many of the studies that show women being paid less are studying men and women in identical jobs or fields. I agree that you can't compare two different jobs when comparing wages, but let's use your own example.
I don't assume anything about why women get paid less, and neither should anybody else. I said that stating something as general as "women get paid less than men" is denying any other factor that plays into how much people get paid.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
outfctrl, there is no way you can actually be a real person. You must be some sort of Reublo-bot or something, because there's no way in hell a person can be that crazy/blindly conservative... It just doesn't make any sense...
Oh, I am a real person.
I struggled from rock bottom. I used to dig ditches for a living when I was 27. Struggled through college by going at night while working as a carpenter, compliments of the GI Bill. Wrestled with coke and alcohol addiction, kicked them both (Still drink socially though). Three failed marriages. Went from company to company as a carpenter. Drifter. Never once did I try for unemployment, welfare or any help from anyone. In America, you can do anything if you put your mind to it.
I have now been with my company for over 13 years, own my own house with a built in swimming pool, own two motorcycles, new 2006 Nissan Xterra, 4 computers (two on the cutting edge) and clip 6 digits. Oh, I just bought a 24" wide screen HD monitor and a GeForce 7600 GT just because I felt like it. No one gave me anything. Bragging? Yes, because I worked hard for it. No help...none.
Go ahead and say" The Government gave you the GI Bill to get ahead" Yes they did. I DESERVED IT. I put my life at risk during Vietnam, they owed me. NUFF said
Now, you tell me why I am the way I am. Hard work, determination and pure Capitalism. America the free, America, a land of Capitalism!!
outfctrl, there is no way you can actually be a real person. You must be some sort of Reublo-bot or something, because there's no way in hell a person can be that crazy/blindly conservative... It just doesn't make any sense...
Oh, I am a real person.
I struggled from rock bottom. I used to dig ditches for a living when I was 27. Struggled through college by going at night while working as a carpenter, compliments of the GI Bill. Wrestled with coke and alcohol addiction, kicked them both (Still drink socially though). Three failed marriages. Went from company to company as a carpenter. Drifter. Never once did I try for unemployment, welfare or any help from anyone. In America, you can do anything if you put your mind to it.
I have now been with my company for over 13 years, own my own house with a built in swimming pool, own two motorcycles, new 2006 Nissan Xterra, 4 computers (two on the cutting edge) and clip 6 digits. Oh, I just bought a 24" wide screen HD monitor and a GeForce 7600 GT just because I felt like it. No one gave me anything. Bragging? Yes, because I worked hard for it. No help...none.
Go ahead and say" The Government gave you the GI Bill to get ahead" Yes they did. I DESERVED IT. I put my life at risk during Vietnam, they owed me. NUFF said
Now, you tell me why I am the way I am. Hard work, determination and pure Capitalism. America the free, America, a land of Capitalism!!
IT WORKS
GOD BLESS AMERICA
Thats good for you. Same way with my mother.
Capitalism does work, to an extent. That extent is where it starts to collapse upon itself. When companies become so large (windows, walmart, etc.) that they start drowning out their competition, and in doing so destroys capitalism. Socialism doesn't work because people are no longer motivated to do harder work for more money, but capitalism doesn't work because there comes a point in which there is no competition. As long as capitalism is regulated it works, but if you don't stop companies from way out growing all of the other competition, your economy fails.
Amen to that. There is a difference betweeen capitalism and monopoply.
The American Dream is that ANYONE can put their mind to it and become wealthy or successful. If one or two people are making all the money and everybody else has to work for those people at a set pay scale, the dream is dead.
Thank you outofcontrol, for another inflammatory thread Merry Holidays man .
I was just stating a point. I agree that some companies do tend to get a little too big. Yes, smaller companies get pushed out. Then again, most small businesses fail in the first year anyways. Reasons:
1. Lack of experience
2. Insufficient capital (money)
3. Poor location
4. Poor inventory management
5. Over-investment in fixed assets
6. Poor credit arrangements
7. Personal use of business funds
8. Unexpected growth
9. Competition
10. Low sales
Also you have to take into consideration the "Burnout" factor.
Owning your own business requires a huge investment of time, money, energy and emotion. It's easy to work long days and forget to take time off. But in the end, this only causes burnout where your motivation and creativity will suffer, and a bad attitude prevails. You'll find yourself unable to balance your business and personal life, and both will suffer.
The above reasons are why I never became a Contractor. Sure having your own business is a feather in your cap, but I have seen too many of my friends go down and lose everything. So I decided to work hard for someone and enjoy my life.
I will never have allot of money, never, but I will make enough to pay my bills and have my big boy toys and enjoy life.
Too often today, we hear people beating up big corporations. Liberals attack them, movies vilify them, politicians try to score cheap points with the public at their expense. But few people ever talk about everything that big corporations provide for America. They sell us quality goods and services, contribute vast sums to charity, and most importantly, help to provide jobs for Americans & boost the economy. In fact, I'd go so far as to say that you can't be "anti-big corporation" and still credibly claim to want the US to have a strong economy.
So, since few other people seem willing to say it, I will....
Thank you Wal-Mart! Your low prices & large selection of products have made life much more convenient. Instead of making multiple trips to small stores all around town, I can now just make one trip to Wal-Mart and save money to boot. Wal-Mart, what a fantastic store!
Thank you Shell! Because you've helped to bring precious oil into our country, we Americans have the freedom to drive wherever we wish across this great land! Your oil powers everything from ambulances that take us to the hospital to planes which fly us cross country so we can introduce our grandparents to their brand new grandson. Thank you Shell, for all you do for us!
Thank you Halliburton. While liberals stateside have carped and complained about your company, the employees of Halliburton have made a huge positive impact in Iraq. More than a few Halliburton employees have actually lost their lives providing services for the Iraqi people and US soldiers under the most difficult and demanding of circumstances. A lot of people talk about the war on terror, but Halliburton employees in Iraq have actually helped fight it just by doing their jobs and that's certainly appreciated.
Thank you Clear Channel Communications! Because of your tireless work, millions of Americans get to listen to their favorite radio hosts each day. Furthermore, because of companies like Clear Channel and talented hosts who work with them like Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, & Dr. Laura Schlessinger, AM radio has been revitalized, creating lots of jobs for Americans all across the country.
Thank you McDonalds! Your delicious food, which is served up in a timely manner all across the globe, helps hungry people all across the globe get a quick meal when they're in hurry.
Thank you Nike! Your fashionable, high quality sneakers have served me well many times in the past. Moreover, your overseas plants in places like Indonesia, Zimbabwe, & South Africa provide much needed jobs to people in those areas, prove the value of free trade, and help create marketing and management jobs back here in the good old U.S. Of A!
Thank you Microsoft! Your convenient and easy to use products like Internet Explorer, Windows XP, and Outlook Express have helped to popularize the internet. The simplicity and ease of use of Microsoft's great products are why they've been able to dominate the market and help hundreds of millions of people across the globe enjoy and learn from the internet.
Capitalism rules, socialism drools -- huzzah for big business =D
Thank you Wal-mart - for paying your employees minimum wage and understaffing stores.
Thank you shell - for doing your best to thwart any attempts at an alternate fuel source, even if it's better for the enivironment and cheaper on our wallets.
Thank you McDonalds - for flooding the market with your cheap imitation of food, adding to the increase in obesity in our society, and underpaying young children to work at your stores.
Thank you Nike - for using and abusing other countries and outsourcing in an effort to save a buck.
I think Bill Gates is an amazing man and I really have nothing bad to say about the other corporations. I think big businesses have improved our lives in alot of way, but that doesn't change the fact that there #1 priority is to make money over anything else.
Thank you Wal-mart - for paying your employees minimum wage and understaffing stores. Thank you shell - for doing your best to thwart any attempts at an alternate fuel source, even if it's better for the enivironment and cheaper on our wallets. Thank you McDonalds - for flooding the market with your cheap imitation of food, adding to the increase in obesity in our society, and underpaying young children to work at your stores. Thank you Nike - for using and abusing other countries and outsourcing in an effort to save a buck. I think Bill Gates is an amazing man and I really have nothing bad to say about the other corporations. I think big businesses have improved our lives in alot of way, but that doesn't change the fact that there #1 priority is to make money over anything else.
What do you think they are in business for? It is to make money! It is not to make the world a better place, provide jobs for American's that feel they should make 30-40k a year for menial labor. Yes, it seems that most of these companies have taken greed and profit to the extream, but like all empires they too will crumble.
I shoot for the curve... anything above that is gravy.
Allthough I somehow agree with Ctrl that we have lots to thank some of the big corps for, if you are counting from a list are you sure you did not start at the bottom?
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Thank you Wal-mart - for paying your employees minimum wage and understaffing stores. Thank you shell - for doing your best to thwart any attempts at an alternate fuel source, even if it's better for the enivironment and cheaper on our wallets. Thank you McDonalds - for flooding the market with your cheap imitation of food, adding to the increase in obesity in our society, and underpaying young children to work at your stores. Thank you Nike - for using and abusing other countries and outsourcing in an effort to save a buck. I think Bill Gates is an amazing man and I really have nothing bad to say about the other corporations. I think big businesses have improved our lives in alot of way, but that doesn't change the fact that there #1 priority is to make money over anything else.
What do you think they are in business for? It is to make money! It is not to make the world a better place, provide jobs for American's that feel they should make 30-40k a year for menial labor. Yes, it seems that most of these companies have taken greed and profit to the extream, but like all empires they too will crumble.
I'm sorry, but I think that should be everyones number one priority, but I guess I'm one of the few people thinking about someone other then myself. To treat the world with such disrespect and carelessness is irresponsible on anyones part (and who do you know that works at a McDonalds and makes 30-40k a year?). I'm not telling everyone to change their way of life, but paying employees more so they can afford to live comfortably is not asking too much.
Personally, I think you should get paid for what you are worth to a company, your education and what you can contribute to making them a profit.
Flipping burgers...............well, they get paid to do just that and for what that job is worth. Want to make more money? Get an education, learn a trade or business practice.
Personally, I think you should get paid for what you are worth to a company, your education and what you can contribute to making them a profit.
Flipping burgers...............well, they get paid to do just that and for what that job is worth. Want to make more money? Get an education, learn a trade or business practice.
McDonalds still flips burgers? I thought they get the stuff in frozen loaded with a billion milligrams of preservatives and thaw the stuff out? Then slap the stuff on a bun and wrap it up?
Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!
Thank you Clear Channel Communications! Because of your tireless work, millions of Americans get to listen to their favorite radio hosts each day. Furthermore, because of companies like Clear Channel and talented hosts who work with them like Rush Limbaugh, Glenn Beck, & Dr. Laura Schlessinger, AM radio has been revitalized, creating lots of jobs for Americans all across the country.
Thank you Clear Channel Communications! @% work, millions of Americans are fed mindless drivel on the radio each and every day. You have homgenized music and talk raido. You have ensured musicians and entertainers with real talent will get overlooked for the next "big thing." You have made it so all I can hear on my local radio is Britney Spears, Boston Nickelback, Disturbed and Blink182. Meanwhile talented people are starving and being ignored. Rush would like to thank you for all the money he's making with your help. It helps him buy his oxycotton.
Seriously, I do have problems with Haliburton and Queer Channel. But the rest of your list is ok. I love Nike shoes. I only wear Nike or Adidas. I like cheap prices at Wal-Mart. I could care less what the employees make there. They chose to work there. I applied there once. They offered me a crappy wage. I walked out the interview and got a better paying job. It was that easy people. Mmm, Big Mac, enough said. I also like Microsoft. I don't care if they have a monoply or not. I'm aware of other web browsers and use them. I've tried other OS's and thought they all sucked or were too hard to accomplish anything.
In 30 years; most of the folks like Outofctrl will either be dead and buried or unable to control their own bowel movements. They'll be irrelevant either way.
Me- I feel like there was an entire generation in the 70's and 80's that had it all and blew it up their nose in powder form. Then after some rehab, some jesus, some big gipper- suddenly they've had a patriotic revival... but it's all bullshit. They had lower costs of living than we do today adjusted for inflation; they had opportunities- they were just... STUPID.
So after their revival, they're all better now; and back with an agenda to save everyone from their own stupidity who doesn't know better... because if someone's never been too coked up to be able to feel their dick and then recovered; how can they have any idea about what's right for America? Right?
Go fuck yourselves; you and your whole cult of spoiled brats from a dead era. There are so many assholes here in Detroit just like you. Every one of them a wash out; an undeserving recipient of some cushy unionized autmotive manufacturing job that hasn't existed at entry level for 15 fucking years. And they have the nerve to do anything but keep their mouth shut and thank god they were so lucky? They're gonna tell me that it must be my fault I don't have the opportunity they did? When Michigan has the highest unemployment in the nation?
Want to hurt them, I really do. Oh especially in Oakland county- the 3rd richest county in the nation. They ought to call it the Big 3 autoworker's retirement home. Bunch of lucky assholes. Wish I could be stoned out of my mind till 25 and then walk into a job with no education that approaches a six figure income before retirement. What a bunch of horse shit.
Hope you got your things together. Hope you are quite prepared to die. Looks like we're in for nasty weather. ... There's a bad moon on the rise.
Personally, I think you should get paid for what you are worth to a company, your education and what you can contribute to making them a profit.
Flipping burgers...............well, they get paid to do just that and for what that job is worth. Want to make more money? Get an education, learn a trade or business practice.
If you think about it the hardest and most important jobs are usually the lowest paying. You just thanked all these business for what they give you, imagine what it would be like if everyone got a better job. Who would "flip" your hamburgers or pump your gas?
Everyone has a place that is perfect just for them. Just because it isn't the career that pays the most money doesn't mean they should settle for $6 an hour. Oh and not all big businesses are like walmart. When I was in high school I worked as a cashier in Home Depot and was making $12 an hour when I left.
Amen to that. There is a difference betweeen capitalism and monopoply. The American Dream is that ANYONE can put their mind to it and become wealthy or successful. If one or two people are making all the money and everybody else has to work for those people at a set pay scale, the dream is dead.
I do not agree with that…… If a person does have the will to do something they can and will do it if they want too. Out of all of my designers all of them have wanted to go out on their own but only one has ever managed to do it and make something of her self. The difference between her and the others is that she had the will power to actually do it, she let nothing deter her from succeeding in her goal, she set realistic expectations of herself and she met those expectations, she moved forward and let no obstacle block her way, she learned all of this from watching me, but one of the most important things she learned is not to blame everyone else or situations for your own failings, and or her inability to move forward.
People in general always want better, they want to reach for a higher level, not all but most do, but many people actually allow themselves to believe that they can not reach a certain goal because of some situation or circumstance, they always need to have something or someone to blame other then they themselves. When you work for someone most people do not know their real value, they either have this over inflated idea of who they are and expect an unrealistic salary or they undersell themselves and get a lower salary then they should really have. A person can still have a very successful life and make a very comfortable living if they want to. Nothing stops them other then themselves, for some people attempting this it will be easy and for others it will be a battle a very difficult struggle, but if you have the will a person can do it. Bring it on down now.
Damn byotch dat aint no friggn moon fool, dat be a friggn space station byotch.
In 30 years; most of the folks like Outofctrl will either be dead and buried or unable to control their own bowel movements. They'll be irrelevant either way.
Which will leave all the lazy anti-society types wondering why the government is no longer able to support them. Boo hoo. Life didn't give me any breaks. I wasn't born lucky. Sob.
Big business pays it's way. Not only does it pay it's own way, it contributes to everybody elses way too. Most people don't know where their money comes from. They would rather bite the hand that feeds them, stick one finger up at the world, than face up to their own dependence upon others. It stings them right in the manhood.
It doesn't matter where you are or where you are from, it's about attitude. Are you looking to make the best of what yuou have got? If you are, you probably respect that attitude when you find it in others.
The rebel generation rebelled. And then they got old. Became the establishment just like the rebel generation before them.You will too.
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Wow do you really believe that? I'll tell you a story then..
Once upon a time I applied to a well-paying office job with a VERY corporate by-the-books company. I applied through all of the proper channels, as instructed. I had a glowing recommendation from a male department manager who had seen my design skills and knew I was horribly overqualified for the position to which I was applying. I went to the interview and was told that I left a fantastic impression and was a perfect candidate. The business began making arrangements with me for my pay and briefed me on my assignments.
..But I never got a call back. When I phoned in to see what the problem was, the person I spoke to said the official response was that they simply did not need my services, but the truth was that the manager in charge of the department I had applied to told everyone I was an attractive female and therefore "had obviously slept with" the man who gave me the glowing recommendation.
I will admit, I have lived a very protected privileged life. I am certain women who are attempting to work blue collar and retail jobs have a harder time than I. Sexism is very very real and big business is not innocent by any means, no matter how many company policies they have.
That's not sexism, sexism is a belief that one sex is superior to the other. They wrongly believed that you had slept with someone to get a recomendation, though stupid of them, it's not sexist. And it doesn't change what I said about many factors going into how much someone gets paid. Question though, how exactly do you KNOW what the manager of the department told everyone? Is that a guess on your part, or is it second hand information told to you by somebody else?
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
That is exactly sexism. Because I was an "attractive female" (his wording, not mine) it was assumed I had slept my way to the top to get a good recommendation, despite the fact that I was ridiculously overqualified for the position. Had a male walked in with the same circumstances and qualifications it would not have been an issue.
The answer to your question is that I was told BY another manager when I called to check on the status of my application. That manager also reported the incident. The one who said it did get fired, but the one who reported him got demoted, and of course I was never re-considered for the position. That's the system at work.
Fact is, you can't just assume that women are getting paid less because they are not as qualified for the higher paying jobs as men. Many of the studies that show women being paid less are studying men and women in identical jobs or fields. I agree that you can't compare two different jobs when comparing wages, but let's use your own example...
You mentioned that in a department store you generally see women as cashiers and men as department managers, right? Fact is, the men and women generally enter the store with the same qualifications. The department store wants the women up front as cashiers because they believe that they will make the most money if the first and last face a customer sees upon entering the store is a cheery young woman. They place the men as department workers because they figure that a customer will believe that a man knows what he is doing better than a female would. Because there is little or no promotion from cashier, the women remain at the same pay rate and the men can be promoted from department worker to team head to department manager and possibly to store management. His salary will increase despite the fact that he may be working just as hard or less hard than the cashiers. All because the store wants a shining pretty face at the door.
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I see outofctl with an excel spreadsheet next to him when he posts.
The excel spreadsheet contains the topic verbatim and how many reply posts he gets, with a few columns.
1. Number of total replies
2. Number of total replies after 6 hours of posting (to get an idea of how fiery the topic is)
etc, etc.
I don't care much for the content of the post, i care about how short-sighted it is. I know i've been guilty of the same thing, but goddamn it, look at things critically.
1. Thank Wal-mart for lowering the prices for us . . .
How can you think that and not think of their national and global repurcussions. Do us a favor outofctrl, before you post something like this, take a look on the internet to see if there are counterpoints. What the fuck kind of post is this man? That's so one-sided and short-sighted it's amazing.
Here's something I found on the internet, the lovely things you can thank wal-mart for, aren't they the nation's largest employer or the largest behind the US Gov't or whatever.
http://walmartwatch.com/docs/electeds/Wal-Mart_Top_10_Egregious_Business_Practices.pdf
Now do that for every business you put up there and see what you get. You know what, here's another outofctrl like thought, but it'll be an excerpt.
Thank god for terrorists, look how many new CIA and security jobs they created. See, outofctrl, this sentence is intellectually akin to what you did in your post.
Later honey,
Cryomatrix
You can see my sci-fi/WW2 book recommendations.
That is exactly sexism. Because I was an "attractive female" (his wording, not mine) it was assumed I had slept my way to the top to get a good recommendation, despite the fact that I was ridiculously overqualified for the position. Had a male walked in with the same circumstances and qualifications it would not have been an issue.
I will concede the sexism bit, only because I can buy that you didn't get a job based on the fact that you are female. Not because I believe that your incident is truly sexism in the real sense of the word. But I will agree that you were certainly bullshitted out of a job based on your sex.
The answer to your question is that I was told BY another manager when I called to check on the status of my application. That manager also reported the incident. The one who said it did get fired, but the one who reported him got demoted, and of course I was never re-considered for the position. That's the system at work.
The system sucks, I'll never argue against that.
Fact is, you can't just assume that women are getting paid less because they are not as qualified for the higher paying jobs as men. Many of the studies that show women being paid less are studying men and women in identical jobs or fields. I agree that you can't compare two different jobs when comparing wages, but let's use your own example.
I don't assume anything about why women get paid less, and neither should anybody else. I said that stating something as general as "women get paid less than men" is denying any other factor that plays into how much people get paid.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
I struggled from rock bottom. I used to dig ditches for a living when I was 27. Struggled through college by going at night while working as a carpenter, compliments of the GI Bill. Wrestled with coke and alcohol addiction, kicked them both (Still drink socially though). Three failed marriages. Went from company to company as a carpenter. Drifter. Never once did I try for unemployment, welfare or any help from anyone. In America, you can do anything if you put your mind to it.
I have now been with my company for over 13 years, own my own house with a built in swimming pool, own two motorcycles, new 2006 Nissan Xterra, 4 computers (two on the cutting edge) and clip 6 digits. Oh, I just bought a 24" wide screen HD monitor and a GeForce 7600 GT just because I felt like it. No one gave me anything. Bragging? Yes, because I worked hard for it. No help...none.
Go ahead and say" The Government gave you the GI Bill to get ahead" Yes they did. I DESERVED IT. I put my life at risk during Vietnam, they owed me. NUFF said
Now, you tell me why I am the way I am. Hard work, determination and pure Capitalism. America the free, America, a land of Capitalism!!
IT WORKS
GOD BLESS AMERICA
Not only do they employ thousands upon thousands buy it is the only company in the world that has the record for having the MOST patents.
Did you forget where the idea for the PC came from?What company do you think invented the thumb drive that is so common now?
I couldnt agree with you more on big companies getting criticized a bit too much.Perhaps these people should read Atlas Shrugged.
What is your physical limit?
I struggled from rock bottom. I used to dig ditches for a living when I was 27. Struggled through college by going at night while working as a carpenter, compliments of the GI Bill. Wrestled with coke and alcohol addiction, kicked them both (Still drink socially though). Three failed marriages. Went from company to company as a carpenter. Drifter. Never once did I try for unemployment, welfare or any help from anyone. In America, you can do anything if you put your mind to it.
I have now been with my company for over 13 years, own my own house with a built in swimming pool, own two motorcycles, new 2006 Nissan Xterra, 4 computers (two on the cutting edge) and clip 6 digits. Oh, I just bought a 24" wide screen HD monitor and a GeForce 7600 GT just because I felt like it. No one gave me anything. Bragging? Yes, because I worked hard for it. No help...none.
Go ahead and say" The Government gave you the GI Bill to get ahead" Yes they did. I DESERVED IT. I put my life at risk during Vietnam, they owed me. NUFF said
Now, you tell me why I am the way I am. Hard work, determination and pure Capitalism. America the free, America, a land of Capitalism!!
IT WORKS
GOD BLESS AMERICA
Thats good for you. Same way with my mother.
Capitalism does work, to an extent. That extent is where it starts to collapse upon itself. When companies become so large (windows, walmart, etc.) that they start drowning out their competition, and in doing so destroys capitalism. Socialism doesn't work because people are no longer motivated to do harder work for more money, but capitalism doesn't work because there comes a point in which there is no competition. As long as capitalism is regulated it works, but if you don't stop companies from way out growing all of the other competition, your economy fails.
Amen to that. There is a difference betweeen capitalism and monopoply.
The American Dream is that ANYONE can put their mind to it and become wealthy or successful. If one or two people are making all the money and everybody else has to work for those people at a set pay scale, the dream is dead.
It's better be hated for who you are, than loved for who you aren't.
Independant, Shinto, Lesbian, and Proud!
1. Lack of experience
2. Insufficient capital (money)
3. Poor location
4. Poor inventory management
5. Over-investment in fixed assets
6. Poor credit arrangements
7. Personal use of business funds
8. Unexpected growth
9. Competition
10. Low sales
Also you have to take into consideration the "Burnout" factor.
Owning your own business requires a huge investment of time, money, energy and emotion. It's easy to work long days and forget to take time off. But in the end, this only causes burnout where your motivation and creativity will suffer, and a bad attitude prevails. You'll find yourself unable to balance your business and personal life, and both will suffer.
The above reasons are why I never became a Contractor. Sure having your own business is a feather in your cap, but I have seen too many of my friends go down and lose everything. So I decided to work hard for someone and enjoy my life.
I will never have allot of money, never, but I will make enough to pay my bills and have my big boy toys and enjoy life.
Thank you Wal-mart - for paying your employees minimum wage and understaffing stores.
Thank you shell - for doing your best to thwart any attempts at an alternate fuel source, even if it's better for the enivironment and cheaper on our wallets.
Thank you McDonalds - for flooding the market with your cheap imitation of food, adding to the increase in obesity in our society, and underpaying young children to work at your stores.
Thank you Nike - for using and abusing other countries and outsourcing in an effort to save a buck.
I think Bill Gates is an amazing man and I really have nothing bad to say about the other corporations. I think big businesses have improved our lives in alot of way, but that doesn't change the fact that there #1 priority is to make money over anything else.
I shoot for the curve... anything above that is gravy.
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I wonder if you honestly even believe what you type, or if you live in a made up world of facts.
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I'm sorry, but I think that should be everyones number one priority, but I guess I'm one of the few people thinking about someone other then myself. To treat the world with such disrespect and carelessness is irresponsible on anyones part (and who do you know that works at a McDonalds and makes 30-40k a year?). I'm not telling everyone to change their way of life, but paying employees more so they can afford to live comfortably is not asking too much.
Flipping burgers...............well, they get paid to do just that and for what that job is worth. Want to make more money? Get an education, learn a trade or business practice.
It's better be hated for who you are, than loved for who you aren't.
Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!
Seriously, I do have problems with Haliburton and Queer Channel. But the rest of your list is ok. I love Nike shoes. I only wear Nike or Adidas. I like cheap prices at Wal-Mart. I could care less what the employees make there. They chose to work there. I applied there once. They offered me a crappy wage. I walked out the interview and got a better paying job. It was that easy people. Mmm, Big Mac, enough said. I also like Microsoft. I don't care if they have a monoply or not. I'm aware of other web browsers and use them. I've tried other OS's and thought they all sucked or were too hard to accomplish anything.
In 30 years; most of the folks like Outofctrl will either be dead and buried or unable to control their own bowel movements. They'll be irrelevant either way.
Me- I feel like there was an entire generation in the 70's and 80's that had it all and blew it up their nose in powder form. Then after some rehab, some jesus, some big gipper- suddenly they've had a patriotic revival... but it's all bullshit. They had lower costs of living than we do today adjusted for inflation; they had opportunities- they were just... STUPID.
So after their revival, they're all better now; and back with an agenda to save everyone from their own stupidity who doesn't know better... because if someone's never been too coked up to be able to feel their dick and then recovered; how can they have any idea about what's right for America? Right?
Go fuck yourselves; you and your whole cult of spoiled brats from a dead era. There are so many assholes here in Detroit just like you. Every one of them a wash out; an undeserving recipient of some cushy unionized autmotive manufacturing job that hasn't existed at entry level for 15 fucking years. And they have the nerve to do anything but keep their mouth shut and thank god they were so lucky? They're gonna tell me that it must be my fault I don't have the opportunity they did? When Michigan has the highest unemployment in the nation?
Want to hurt them, I really do. Oh especially in Oakland county- the 3rd richest county in the nation. They ought to call it the Big 3 autoworker's retirement home. Bunch of lucky assholes. Wish I could be stoned out of my mind till 25 and then walk into a job with no education that approaches a six figure income before retirement. What a bunch of horse shit.
Hope you got your things together. Hope you are quite prepared to die. Looks like we're in for nasty weather. ... There's a bad moon on the rise.
If you think about it the hardest and most important jobs are usually the lowest paying. You just thanked all these business for what they give you, imagine what it would be like if everyone got a better job. Who would "flip" your hamburgers or pump your gas?
Everyone has a place that is perfect just for them. Just because it isn't the career that pays the most money doesn't mean they should settle for $6 an hour. Oh and not all big businesses are like walmart. When I was in high school I worked as a cashier in Home Depot and was making $12 an hour when I left.
You really are a hypocrite.
P.S. Oh and goneglockin, how true that is.
I do not agree with that…… If a person does have the will to do something they can and will do it if they want too. Out of all of my designers all of them have wanted to go out on their own but only one has ever managed to do it and make something of her self. The difference between her and the others is that she had the will power to actually do it, she let nothing deter her from succeeding in her goal, she set realistic expectations of herself and she met those expectations, she moved forward and let no obstacle block her way, she learned all of this from watching me, but one of the most important things she learned is not to blame everyone else or situations for your own failings, and or her inability to move forward.
People in general always want better, they want to reach for a higher level, not all but most do, but many people actually allow themselves to believe that they can not reach a certain goal because of some situation or circumstance, they always need to have something or someone to blame other then they themselves. When you work for someone most people do not know their real value, they either have this over inflated idea of who they are and expect an unrealistic salary or they undersell themselves and get a lower salary then they should really have. A person can still have a very successful life and make a very comfortable living if they want to. Nothing stops them other then themselves, for some people attempting this it will be easy and for others it will be a battle a very difficult struggle, but if you have the will a person can do it
. Bring it on down now.
Damn byotch dat aint no friggn moon fool, dat be a friggn space station byotch.
Which will leave all the lazy anti-society types wondering why the government is no longer able to support them. Boo hoo. Life didn't give me any breaks. I wasn't born lucky. Sob.
Big business pays it's way. Not only does it pay it's own way, it contributes to everybody elses way too. Most people don't know where their money comes from. They would rather bite the hand that feeds them, stick one finger up at the world, than face up to their own dependence upon others. It stings them right in the manhood.
It doesn't matter where you are or where you are from, it's about attitude. Are you looking to make the best of what yuou have got? If you are, you probably respect that attitude when you find it in others.
The rebel generation rebelled. And then they got old. Became the establishment just like the rebel generation before them. You will too.