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Lineage 2 Quest
Trying a bunch of n00b quests or low leve quests and most seem alright.
BUT there is some that are just totally F**ked up. I don't have a clue WTF the NCSOFT quest designers were smoking when they created some of these supposed quests for low levels.
In particular, "The Subjugation of the LIzardmen" quests requires you to kill Biffrons a level 21 RAID BOSS at the end of the quest. I thought since this was a quest there were special conditions that allowed a quest person to kill him but NO, its still a Raid Boss level mob that will take a raid group to take it out. HOW THE HELL did they make this a requirement for this quest for n00bs? WTF are they seriously smoking?!!
From looking it up on line, it seems the quest reward is sooo not worth the effort at all. Also they should have a FUCKING warning label that said this quest requires you to kill a Raid Boss to finish.
Seirously retarded.
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Ballistic!
Sure, I can see that it is a grouping required quest but when I started the quest itself, there was nothing that indicated that I would have to group no did it say anything about needing to kill a Raid Boss. If that is a requirement of a quest, it should state so, clearly, before someone new goes and tries it out, thinking they will be able to complete it on their own. Especially if it REQUIRES you to go and kill a Raid Boss, which isn't even trivial in any sense of the word.
Ballistic!
Then at 20+ you can start finding parties etc in the Necropolis/Catacombs and meet more people and... raid low level bosses.
What the HELL are you talking about? When does making good quests have ANYTHING WHAT THE FUCK to do with WoW? I hate WoW so don't make it sound like WoW has the be all and end all of quests. Who said WoW had the exclusivity regaring good quests? If Lineage 2 made good quests are they emulating WoW? WTF of course not. Quests are just part of the RPG of MMORPG..GET IT?
Having good quests for newbies is essential especially when newbies in Lineage 2 acquire money and low end armor/items through this method. Also, making it REQUIRED for newbies to kill a RAID BOSS, as one of their last newbie quests as you put it, is the most IDIOTIC of game-quest design I have ever heard of in any MMO I have played. What kind of fucking, sadistic game designer makes a newbie go through multiple parts of a quest and suddenly makes it REQUIRED to kill a RAID BOSS to complete a quest at all? Do you have any clue to what good game design is? Have you ever played any desktop game, such as DIablo or Never WInter Nights, or any game AT ALL where it made a newbie REQUIRED to kill a RAID BOSS that no way in HELL that they can do it themself? I have never run across that kind of requirement in ANY of the MMORPGs I have EVER PLAYED.
This is why Lineage 2 quests are looked at like some idiotic game designer, who doesn't know how to design quests, made them. Because its thoughtless and unrealistic, especially since a lot of the quest rewards do not give you the right amount for the time invested in the quests. That is the reason why most people shrug off the LIneage 2 Quest system. Its not because Lineage 2 is not about quests. Quests need to be redone and reworked in Lineage 2 and NCSOFT needs to realize this ASAP.
OMG, LMFAO
You thought I was kidding then I said L2 was frustrating and hard?
Seriously, I never ran into a lower level quest that had you go kill a raid boss.....lucky you
Why wait until level 78 to get into killing raid bosses? Most people would never get to do it if that was the case lol. Normally the quest I get are "go kill a stupid amount of X mob and come back for a reward of 10 adena each" and crap like that, some guys have all the luck.
Raid Bosses actually drop very good loot.
But I agree, having a raid boss that early on isn't such a good idea . Most new people don't know anyone yet so how are they suppost to get a low level raid group together...especial since L2 in NA doesn't exactly have a large amount of noobs to the game. It is nice that the opportunity is there but honestly, what noobs to the game can actually do it?
Later if you get into a decent guild its not a problem as most guilds raid pretty frequently and its not a rigid raid structure like WoW. Basically the more the merrier but your chances of getting a drop go way down the more people there are.
Its actually pretty cool that the raid content is throughout the game and not just for endgame. There are some really cool locations also. I don't really care for the raid boss standing out in the fields but there are some really interesting dungeons and towers later on.
First of all, although I"m playing Lineage 2 right now as a pure n00b with no help whatsoever, I DO have accounts where I have leveled serveral characters to high 60s and my main which is nearly 75. So first of all, SHUT IT, about how hard LIneage 2 is. You talking to someone who played since Beta.
I"m am trying the fileplanet free trial to check out how the game is now and although the bot problem has been reduced (I still bots in Dion a lot) there are other problems like the Quest system.
Also I can't sympathize with people who mindlessly post about shit they dont know. Why don't you actually try some of the quests instead? Having a newbie REQUIRED to kill a raid boss just to finish it without any warning whatsoever IS BAD GAME DESIGN. If you ever played a RPG game you would know yes? What other game is out there where a starting newbie is required to kill a Raid Boss to complete a quest?
Thus my point.
First of all, although I"m playing Lineage 2 right now as a pure n00b with no help whatsoever, I DO have accounts where I have leveled serveral characters to high 60s and my main which is nearly 75. So first of all, SHUT IT, about how hard LIneage 2 is. You talking to someone who played since Beta.
I"m am trying the fileplanet free trial to check out how the game is now and although the bot problem has been reduced (I still bots in Dion a lot) there are other problems like the Quest system.
Also I can't sympathize with people who mindlessly post about shit they dont know. Why don't you actually try some of the quests instead? Having a newbie REQUIRED to kill a raid boss just to finish it without any warning whatsoever IS BAD GAME DESIGN. If you ever played a RPG game you would know yes? What other game is out there where a starting newbie is required to kill a Raid Boss to complete a quest?
Thus my point.
Telling me i dont know what i am talking about? You think i don't play this game and still commenting on it? Am i harsh, yes i am. Noobies needing to kill a raid boss is a good thing. If thats the reason they leave the game...hurray...bunch of worthless shitties which i dont want in the game i play. Besides the fact that you can end the quest after the first step, which gives around 4k adena which is more then enough for a new player. And ooh eq2 has those quests too, around 20ish and doing heritage quests that start as a solo quest and end up needing one or two groups to finish it.
And besides that all, it takes a full group to kill that raidboss without to much problem and they get full drops from it...and i hate full drops, Mobs should only drop tradeskill pieces which should tell them it's noit a kiddies game like wow but you need other players to get anything good done.
but regardless, the problem is not that new players need to group to kill a raid boss. The problem is that there are so few new players coming in at any one time that it will almost be impossible for a new player who does not know anyone to do it.
If this game had a steady stream of new players/rerolls/alts then it would probably be fun.
Being one of the few real players in a new player area trying to take down a raid boss is nigh on impossible at this point in time. At least until you join a clan with more lower lvl players (though will they have players in new player areas?
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When you take a quest and if you look at the quest info, there is an icon that tells you if you can do it solo or group.
First of all, although I"m playing Lineage 2 right now as a pure n00b with no help whatsoever, I DO have accounts where I have leveled serveral characters to high 60s and my main which is nearly 75. So first of all, SHUT IT, about how hard LIneage 2 is. You talking to someone who played since Beta.
I"m am trying the fileplanet free trial to check out how the game is now and although the bot problem has been reduced (I still bots in Dion a lot) there are other problems like the Quest system.
Also I can't sympathize with people who mindlessly post about shit they dont know. Why don't you actually try some of the quests instead? Having a newbie REQUIRED to kill a raid boss just to finish it without any warning whatsoever IS BAD GAME DESIGN. If you ever played a RPG game you would know yes? What other game is out there where a starting newbie is required to kill a Raid Boss to complete a quest?
Thus my point.
Telling me i dont know what i am talking about? You think i don't play this game and still commenting on it? Am i harsh, yes i am. Noobies needing to kill a raid boss is a good thing. If thats the reason they leave the game...hurray...bunch of worthless shitties which i dont want in the game i play. Besides the fact that you can end the quest after the first step, which gives around 4k adena which is more then enough for a new player. And ooh eq2 has those quests too, around 20ish and doing heritage quests that start as a solo quest and end up needing one or two groups to finish it.
And besides that all, it takes a full group to kill that raidboss without to much problem and they get full drops from it...and i hate full drops, Mobs should only drop tradeskill pieces which should tell them it's noit a kiddies game like wow but you need other players to get anything good done.
I don't think you get the point of my complaint. Is making newbies group a good thing? yes. Forced grouping? No. Not telling quest takers that they will need to kill a Raid Boss at the end, no where at the start, during or at the point where they HAVE TO KILL a RAID BOSS is a BAD GAME DESIGN.
As for Everquest 2. I have not tried it but I Have tried EverQuest Original for almost 3 years, at which I was maxxed out in almost everything at that time including gear. If they degenerated EverQuest to be like how you describe, then I can understand why its a flop and still remains as a flop compared to the original. But somehow I doubt that even in EverQuest 2, they tell quest takers about having to kill a RAID BOSS BEFORE they begin a quest.
Also have you EVER DONE A RAID at low level? Full gear drop? Often? WTF are you smoking? If you get any drops your fricken lucky. If you get full drops at all its a godsend. Please, again, I question the extant of your knowledge in what you are talking about.
Hmm what icon? I just looked again and I don't see it? Please explain where exactly they are and I will check next time I do a quest.
We are not talking about how hard it is to kill a Raid Boss. We are talking about wether a person should be *warned* that they will be REQUIRED to kill a raid boss before they take a quest. Big difference there.
I dont exactly call 20% drop rate that great considering the time it takes to get a raid together. It make not be that hard to kill a raid boss once you get sufficient numbers of people, but getting those people is the hard part. LIneage 2 isn't exactly flooding with newbies.
But again, making any quest required to kill a RAID BOSS at a newbie level is idiotic at best.
First of all, although I"m playing Lineage 2 right now as a pure n00b with no help whatsoever, I DO have accounts where I have leveled serveral characters to high 60s and my main which is nearly 75. So first of all, SHUT IT, about how hard LIneage 2 is. You talking to someone who played since Beta.
I"m am trying the fileplanet free trial to check out how the game is now and although the bot problem has been reduced (I still bots in Dion a lot) there are other problems like the Quest system.
Also I can't sympathize with people who mindlessly post about shit they dont know. Why don't you actually try some of the quests instead? Having a newbie REQUIRED to kill a raid boss just to finish it without any warning whatsoever IS BAD GAME DESIGN. If you ever played a RPG game you would know yes? What other game is out there where a starting newbie is required to kill a Raid Boss to complete a quest?
Thus my point.
Telling me i dont know what i am talking about? You think i don't play this game and still commenting on it? Am i harsh, yes i am. Noobies needing to kill a raid boss is a good thing. If thats the reason they leave the game...hurray...bunch of worthless shitties which i dont want in the game i play. Besides the fact that you can end the quest after the first step, which gives around 4k adena which is more then enough for a new player. And ooh eq2 has those quests too, around 20ish and doing heritage quests that start as a solo quest and end up needing one or two groups to finish it.
And besides that all, it takes a full group to kill that raidboss without to much problem and they get full drops from it...and i hate full drops, Mobs should only drop tradeskill pieces which should tell them it's noit a kiddies game like wow but you need other players to get anything good done.
I don't think you get the point of my complaint. Is making newbies group a good thing? yes. Forced grouping? No. Not telling quest takers that they will need to kill a Raid Boss at the end, no where at the start, during or at the point where they HAVE TO KILL a RAID BOSS is a BAD GAME DESIGN.
As for Everquest 2. I have not tried it but I Have tried EverQuest Original for almost 3 years, at which I was maxxed out in almost everything at that time including gear. If they degenerated EverQuest to be like how you describe, then I can understand why its a flop and still remains as a flop compared to the original. But somehow I doubt that even in EverQuest 2, they tell quest takers about having to kill a RAID BOSS BEFORE they begin a quest.
Also have you EVER DONE A RAID at low level? Full gear drop? Often? WTF are you smoking? If you get any drops your fricken lucky. If you get full drops at all its a godsend. Please, again, I question the extant of your knowledge in what you are talking about.
Not bad game design, its a great start. If people cant cope with the fact they all of a sudden need to kill a raid boss dont belong in this game.
EQ2 does have those quests which start as a solo quest and turn out to be group or raid later on.
And thanks for the insults shows more about you then me. But don't worry i will be close to that raidboss and when i see a noobie group i will wipe them and tell them afterwards: Welcome in L2 enjoy your stay.
Now off you go, play with your free trial and then leave my game please, you're not wanted.
All this swearing and drama for nothing. Your probably 1 of maybe 12 people who have actually bothered to try that quest, so who cares really. So, it threw a curve ball at you. Big deal. If you cant do it, you dont do it. It's that simple.
What you guys really don't get is that Quests ARE an essential part of immersion for a game. Especially for newbies that are totally new to MMORPGs and coming from desktop RPGs. If you can't recognize this fact, I doubt any of you have ever played a desktop RPG game in quite some time. Desktop RPGs are almost ALL quest driven.
This is partially the reason that WoW has gained such a following, not including the obvious reasons such as the Blizzard name and their superb marketting. But it certainly helps that WoW provides that sense of familiarity to newbies of the "quest" driven system that they are used to playing in desktop games.
Lineage 2 could stand to improve exponentially if the game designers just took some time to re-evaluate their quests and redo much of them. Right now they are certainly not worth doing at all and the entertainment value is a practice again, in frustration. Many newbies look to quests as an alternative to the "grind". Since one of the biggest complaints about Lineage 2 is that the grind is awful, they should improve on their quests and alleviate this concern or at least give the illusion that doing the quests alleviates the grind, as it is in WoW.
Also, don't be an idiot and say we shouldn't make Lineage 2 into WoW, just because someone suggested an improvement to the game. Last I read and researched, WoW did not have the exclusivity on good quests nor are they the orginators of them. Lineage 2 really stands to benefit and learn from this area.
Hey kid this is a really comical reply. If you ever read my previous posts you know your bullshit above doesn't apply to me, since I am a certified veteran of the game. Also, I don't exactly see how having good quests in the game will make Lineage 2 an "easier" game? Exactly how do you correlate good quests with carebear? Maybe your thinking about WoW, then I forgive you.
L2 is not for the elite of the gaming world. The word elite and gaming is laughable at best. Your talking about games idiot not about geting the Nobel Peace Prize. There is no such thing that would qualify "elite" with anything in gaming. Its purely for entertainment value.
Also, who said Lineage 2 was all about PvP? People want to believe that and can keep thinking that if they wish but from what I've seen of the evolution of Lineage 2 since BETA, it sure looks like BOTH PvP and PvE have been developing with each chronicle. Heck I can even say there has been more strides in PvE improvements over PvP. Just because the last chronicle focussed on the class balance and PvP improvements, doesn't make that the priority in Lineage 2, nor does it mean that it has been the priority of the game. You'd be surprised how many people play Lineage 2 for the PvE part of the game instead of PvP.
LOL, if you want pure PvP, go to Shadowbane. See what happened to that game? STFU about Lineage 2 being only PvP or your the one thats going to kill it.
I reiterate that Lineage 2 can have good quests. Good quests does not mean that Lineage 2 has to become carebear or easier. It just means having good quests. Only idiots can't see beyond their elitist, bullshit, arrogance.
Keep it coming kiddie, i played games before you even knew what gaming was. Continue your crusade please it's entertaining. You are a carebear and reading the official forums it shows that carebears arent wanted, You want to do quests, fine go ahead, if you dont mind we like hunt PvE players until they are sick and tired of even trying to get some level gaining done.
ANd yes Lineage 2 is all about pvp, watch the next episode and see the horror arriving for those that want to pve. Most new things are pvp again and thats how it should be. PvE is just there to get you at the level you want to be. But go ahead enjoy your carebear gameplay. Maybe you should ask for a pve only server whre pvp only excists at sieges and duels. Now if you dont mind i am done with you. Bloating around that you have high level chars is maybe fun for you, i rather sit outside noobtown and keep a perma red char there just for the fun of it.
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After reading your little retort here I almost laughed my ass off. Your going to brush me aside because I ACTUALLY FUCKING PLAYED A CHARACTER TO A RESPECTABLE LEVEL LEGIT? Are you fucking kidding me? Then you go on about how l33t your are because you perma camp newbies and grief them to hell at starter towns? You really are a moron aren't you?
Your calling me a kid when YOUR the one exhibiting classic "brat" syndrome. I hardly call ganking N00bies PvP or adultish behaviour. Why don't you actually try playing LEGIT for 75 levels AND actually try PvP instead of ganking/griefing? You just proved you have absolutely no clue what your talking about with that last statement. I have no respect for n00bie gankers whatsoever. Its really hilarious that your the one trying to defend Lineage 2, the one that actually ruining the gaming experience for newbies. People like you are the ones that hurt the game the most by driving players away. Its people like you that the game doesn't need.
Also, for an admitted griefer/ganker in the game, you really shouldn't apply that word carebear so loosely, since you obviously fall into that category. You see thats what carebears really are, cowards who can't go 1 vs 1 with someone of the same or similar level. Do you know why? Its usually because they just plain suck at it.
After reading your little retort here I almost laughed my ass off. Your going to brush me aside because I ACTUALLY FUCKING PLAYED A CHARACTER TO A RESPECTABLE LEVEL LEGIT? Are you fucking kidding me? Then you go on about how l33t your are because you perma camp newbies and grief them to hell at starter towns? You really are a moron aren't you?
Your calling me a kid when YOUR the one exhibiting classic "brat" syndrome. I hardly call ganking N00bies PvP or adultish behaviour. Not to mention just because you think your hot shit because you gank n00bs in starter towns? Why don't you actually try playing LEGIT for 75 levels AND actually try PvP instead of ganking/griefing? Your just proved you have absolutely no clue what your talking about with that last statement. I absolutely have no respect for n00bie gankers. LOL and your the one trying to defend Lineage 2? WTF, people like you are the ones that hurt the game the most by driving newbies away. Its people like you that the game doesn't need.
Carebear gameplay LOL, this coming from an admitted griefer/ganker in game. You see thats what carebears really are, cowards who can't go 1 on 1 with someone of the same level...because they just plain suck.
*yawn*
Level 71 here thank you very much with no pk's. Lvl 20 at starters towns killing people once and then let them go. Being hunted myself because i am red which is the fun part. (actually pvp which you dont understand)
But dont worry i dont respect you either, leveling to 75 leaving the game, starting again on a free trial and complain the game is to difficult for new people. If you knew about this game you would have understand that noobs are having a free ride 1-40 atm without anything exciting.
Me killing the game? Heh we are the ones that have kept the game alive while you left with your tail between the legs. Must be a reason why you didnt want to show upo with your old chars. Now STFU kid. maybe one day you might polish my booth, until then your nothing but a maggot.