Sigil has gone off their rocker

Rekindle

Ok I like what I've seen of Vanguard.  However,

 #1 this game is not ready for Jan release from what i've seen and heard.

#2 IMHO releasing this game on the heels of a WoW expansion is just plan stupid.

 

This is gonna be EQ2 launch all over again where they release a half baked game because Blizzard did.  They will spend the next 6 months tweaking (maybe not to the extent EQ2 did). 

I was debating buying this game at launch or waiting - now I know for sure I will wait. 

 

When will this industry stop releasing games before they're ready? 

 

/flame away.

 

 

Ryun511

Nobody ever said Vanguard was coming out in January, unless you mean game resellers like Gamestop that never get an unknown release date right. Open beta is starting in January though.

Lastera

How so. Why would this be a crazy decision?

Fade

its not coming out in january.

Rekindle

ps. im not one of those venom spewing Vanguard / Sigil / SoE haters that never has anything constructive to say.  I'd like to see Vanguard suceed but I refuse to pay for an unfinished game.

Vanguard would be much more suited for a March/April release when all the buzz from BC has had a chance to die down a bit and they've had some more time to finish the game.

gillvane1

Originally posted by Rekindle



#2 IMHO releasing this game on the heels of a WoW expansion is just plan stupid.
 


 
 

 

IMO that's like saying Vanguard should never release. It will always be on the heels of something. /shrug.



Before or after the release of the WoW expansion matters little. Those that are avid fans of WoW will play the expansion, or wait for the expansion, or the next expansion. Those looking for something different will try Vanguard, WoW expansion or no Wow expansion.

Anofalye

Since Blizzard is coming out in January and that Brad have SoE marketing councelors, I am pretty confidant this game ain't coming out in Jan, maybe late Feb...maybe...However the pre-order boxes are prolly going to be right beside WoW BC boxes, so the peoples see and know it is coming...

twitch242

Releasing it 1week before or after BC or 6 months after dont matter a flying fart, its not the same people the game caters for. Going by what you seen and heard is rather vague, but since we still have NDA ill leave it at that, no matter what though, any game can use longer beta for polish.



Really just nonsense trolling this, nothing is set in stone atm so why whine and troll on it ?

Lateris

The pre order boxes help to pay some of those publishing advances. They will not release in Jan- I would be surprised if they did this. I t would be terrible marketing strategy with BC coming out. The OP- I can see what your saying. You just want the game to succeed and not make the same mistakes as SWG did.  Sometimes the suits get what they want despite the fact that the real brains behind a business know better. Brad seems to know better.  



I am waiting to hear on Jan 4th. But I always buy a week after release just to see how stable the game is . Believe me I understand the nightmare that we went through with SWG. What a shame that game turned out to be.  There there little dark elf...it will be ok.

Rekindle

I know they're out of Dev bucks but its no excuse to force the player base to pay for a game still in developement.  IMHO this is basically what Sony did with EQ2.

Beta 5 is basically a stess test / PR stunt in most games anyway so that means its not too far after that. 

 

No matter, I don't think my machine will run the game anyway.

anarchyart

Sorry, Rekindle is right. They are aiming at a Jan 29th release. Can't remember where I heard that, but it may be true. Can't say whether it is ready or not, but I can't wait!

Sigil, from what I have read from their devs on the official boards, is one of the most attentive and knowledgable development houses I have ever come across, and I have come across them all. Looking forward to logging in on the first day and reserving several very kewl names.

Fugnudz

I agree with posters who point toward the Jan. 29th release.  Of course, know one knows for certain.

I tire of the folks who constantly say, "release this game only when ready", or "it needs another six months."  C'mon, this game has been in design for 5 years, and a year and a half of that has been beta.  The game has to come out sometime.

While I agree that a poorly finished game does little good (and I'm hoping it's close to polished by now), I have to say that a never released game does no one any good.

Some of us have been waiting for a good PvE MMORPG for years now and to say that VG needs to not come out before June is just nonsense.  Just how many YEARS OF BETA does a game need?  You can't continually just push these games back into 2008, 2009, 2010.  What would we play in the meantime?  I'd kind like to play a good game this decade, you know.

I have a feeling this game is pretty close to ready, and any part of it that's not ready can be patched in later.  Let's cross our fingers for an end of January release so we can all get off these boards and into a good game where we belong.

 

Phoenixs

I'm pretty sure it's going to launch at the end of January. My preorder at gamestop is dated 26/01/2007. Around that date is my guess for a release.



The game is going into open beta in the beginning of January, and as far as I have experienced that usually means release is around the corner. They aren't going to throw out a open beta and then go into 2 months of development again, no way.



Regarding the quality of the game; Is it done? No it's not done, stuff like pvp is still pretty much missing, and there is quite alot that still smells somewhat unfinished. Will it be bad at release? Nope, this is probably the first mmo release since World of Warcraft and Everquest 2 that can show some real polish and quality feeling. My guess is that it will launch to some decent reviews, and many players will stay around, but it will get some critic for not being entirely "done", and it will probably not become a new behemoth in the mmo scene.

tachgb

Thought the rough estimate release was March/April ? The release has already been held back to flesh out the game some more.



Vanguard is still in Closed Beta 4, and Beta 5 is yet to happen.

Coldmeat

It's deja vu.

It's deja vu.

Get it?

Oh, nevermind. Humourless ghouls... Anyway, Alot of people, myself included say "The games not ready, The screws need another turn to tighten everything down proper-like" at this point. Which is countered with one of two things. Either it's the "I'll buy and play this game no matter what, because a fool and his money are soon parted!" or "It's an MMO, MMO's are never done!".

The first counterarguement deserves it's own thread, so I'll leave it alone, other than to say, as long as beancounters know they can make back a portion of their investment from box sales by people like that, and uninformed consumers, we will continue to get lackluster games released in a half assed state with the promise that they will patched up some point down the road. See DnL.

The second counterarguement is a bit of a strawman as I see it. Yeah, MMO's are never done. But there's a hell of a difference between done, and baseline playability, or being feature complete. Again, see DnL. Or Anarchy Online. Then compare what they were at release to DAoC, CoH, or even WoW. Did DAoC, CoH, and WoW suffer their fair share of issues at release? Yup, but they were lightyears beyond the trainwrecks that DnL and AO were at launch.

I suppose there's still the miracle patch from the internal server that every game supposedly has up their sleeves that will magically fix all the problems under the hood, so I guess we have to wait a few days, and see what happens then. If they don't push back the open beta date, and lift the NDA, I imagine things will get interesting at that point. But, then, I don't see them lifting the NDA at any point before release.

Lastera

By DnL, do you mean Dark and Light or Dungeons and Dragons Online?

Phoenixs

Originally posted by Lastera

By DnL, do you mean Dark and Light or Dungeons and Dragons Online?

DnL, how the hell do you get that to fit with Dungeons and Dragons Online (DDO)?



Ofcourse he means Dark and Light.

Lastera

Lay off, I'm new here.

anarchyart

Originally posted by Lastera

Lay off, I'm new here.

 

Forgive him, he's perfect and it's hard to put up with anything less when your feces smell like fresh roses.

Anyway, comparing Vanguard to DnL is very naive. Sigil are experienced MMOG developers and look for Vanguard to be freaking awesome. Coldmeat send a tell to Ericsson on the lowest alphabetically named server (as in A is the lowest and Z is the highest) at launch, I'll show you around and I'll buy you a virtual beer.

ghostinfinit

I can also add that I reserved my copy with EB Games and it's 1-29-07 I believe.  I even bravely went with the Guild Edition (or collector's edition, I forget)  which was a little more expensive but promises to let me play for 3 days before it launches.  If that happens or not it's really no big deal, but all in all I am looking forward to playing.

One other thing I'd like to mention is like any game there are people who support it and people who flame it.  Yeah it's probably going to have some bugs, lag etc etc.  All one can say is if you wanna try Vanguard, then try it.  If it sucks, quit.  If it has a shaky start due to technical issues, decide for yourself if you want to hang in there with it or bail on it.  It's not like you can never come back.  I really get a kick out of these know-it-all leet powergamers that troll threads and cry about this and that.  You know, NEVER friggen happy unless it's the game they're into.  Lets all wait and hope for the best.

Good luck Vanguard faithful, I've been waiting for as long and patiently as you guys have and I look forward to seeing many of you in the game!

Lastera

I've only played EQ2 and DDO. EQ2 was just boring and I didn't like the confined character gameplay of EQ2. I played 15 levels of a Ranger before quiting. DDO...well, there's only two words that can describe DDO's gameplay, "Passive Aggressive." The only time I interact with the game is when I pressed the Tab button to select an enemy target. I felt like I was building a character and that's it. Most of the feats and skills were very passive and I rarely pressed any other button except Tab. I played 4 levels of a Fighter on trial mode before quiting. I'm hoping Vanguard gives me better gaming experience than these last two games.

ghostinfinit

 

I feel you with DDO.  I played it for the free trial and the first few days I loved it but that quickly passed.  There was very little sense of community.  It was also extremely repetitive and sometimes felt like it took luck to clear a dungeon. 

Originally posted by Lastera

I've only played EQ2 and DDO. EQ2 was just boring and I didn't like the confined character gameplay of EQ2. I played 15 levels of a Ranger before quiting. DDO...well, there's only two words that can describe DDO's gameplay, "Passive Aggressive." The only time I interact with the game is when I pressed the Tab button to select an enemy target. I felt like I was building a character and that's it. Most of the feats and skills were very passive and I rarely pressed any other button except Tab. I played 4 levels of a Fighter on trial mode before quiting. I'm hoping Vanguard gives me better gaming experience than these last two games.

Lastera

I'm not saying DDO sucks (or EQ2 for that matter), but the game needs to add more to make the gameplay aggressive. I went to DDO forums in this website and everyone, fanboys and haters alike are in denial. Haters are in denial that DDO can improve and fanboys are as one poster said, "oblivious" to the problems of the game. I believe if the haters and fanboys came together to figure out how to make DDO a great game,  DDO wouldn't have the problems it does now.



But that forum is full of idiots and I don't think I'll be going back there. Anyway, hopefully, Vanguard will do something different than other mmorpgs. Before I played the Vanguard trial, I should I played the WoW trial to see if that's a good game?

Ethanael

I've said it plenty of times, and I'll say it again. Expect March of 2007.



Regards,

Xenduli

Open beta 4th January.
Release date 29th January.

Confirmed.

Ethanael

Originally posted by Xenduli


Open beta 4th January.

Release date 29th January.
Confirmed.

Ugh, it hurts... Nothing is confirmed. Thanks anyway, though.



Regards,