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Why do you want to play the Open beta of Vanguard?
gillvane1
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Your character gets wiped at the end of beta (at least that's the way it usually works). With that in mind, why do you want to play the Vanguard beta?
We'll assume that during the open beta the majority of game stopping bugs have been addressed, so no need for more posts about how you "shouldn't join the beta unless you are an angel sent from debugging heaven to help fix the game for the devs who are saints."
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We'll assume that during the open beta the majority of game stopping bugs have been addressed, so no need for more posts about how you "shouldn't join the beta unless you are an angel sent from debugging heaven to help fix the game for the devs who are saints."
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uh..to see if its fun?
I like to play a game before I run out and buy it...I'd rather not spend $50 on a crappy game that I will play for 2 days. If I enjoy getting to level 20, chances are I will enjoy what the rest of the game offers. Open beta is there to see whether or not you enjoy the game. Same with free trials.
I look at it as an opportunity.....
I want to see what the controls are like and how detailed the character customization is. I can tell alot about a game within the first few levels as to whether or not I will want to invest a lot of time and money. Open beta provides us an opportunity to see if the "style" of the game fits our particular needs.
Critical thinking is a desire to seek, patience to doubt, fondness to meditate, slowness to assert, readiness to consider, carefulness to dispose and set in order; and hatred for every kind of imposture.
Character customisation is good, can change size of your hands/head/nose, how tall you are, arm-leg ratio, how pointy your nose is, jaw/chin/mouth/eye/cheek/nose width, has a lot of Oblivion style customisation though not as many.
Pity the game sucks monkey balls though.
I give this game 18 months tops.
No annoying animated GIF here!
I want this so I can figure out what not to do the second time around (basically fix all my noob mistakes when I play the final version).
The notion that an open beta is about participants actively tracking down bugs is laughable. At best it's a 'cattle call' where the large numbers of players are used to test server loads, bandwidth demands and other infrastructure. Open beta's are mostly just a marketing tool. Fortunately, from a players perspective, it's about the best way to determine if a game is worth tossing away the cash for the game client. (90 bucks for the Vanguard collectors edition!! you gotta be shittin' me.) Even with the free exposure it's hard to make a sound evaluation. Anyone remember the Everquest open beta? It ended just as players were advancing into the 20's (level wise, not IQ or age or decade). This is, not coincidentally, the point in the game when you find out just what the EQ play model is. You either find it acceptable and continue doling out the dollars or you hate it and wished you could get your ill spent money back; to say nothing of all the time you wasted. I'm sure Verant Interactive knew exactly what they were doing too.
So by all means, play the hell out of open betas, just don't think it's the final word. And what's up with companies thinking they can charge ANY money for the client? With the exception of Blizzard, which can do pretty much what ever it wants, these companies should be grateful that anyone will lay down a monthly fee. The days of paying for a client are soon to be over, competition demands it.
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Spiritglow
I don't get the request for a raid free server. Usually most raiding is done as an endgame activity, in other words after you level up a character to the level cap. If you like the leveling part of the game, you play that, then just cancel your sub after you reach the level cap, since you don't like raiding. What difference does it make whether it's there or not if you aren't going to do it either way?
For example, I like playing EQ2 in the leveling part of the game, but didn't do any raiding in that game. I just quit before I got to that stage. Wouldn't have mattered to me if it was there or not.
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WTF the beta client is a monster. I started downloading yesterday and I'm still not done with a download speed of 2.5 mps average.
I like to see how quickly and precise the Devs resolve problems and how active they are at solving problems and helping people. I know that as an MMO it will not have a perfect launch, but just seeing how quickly the devs go out their and fight for their game helps alot, besides you cannot trust publishers as they are possibly the main reason why things are released prematurely.
but after the launch if everyting straitens itself out quickly, then I can stick with the team and play their game, as they have spend a long time working on their game. and they deserve to have honost people play it.
Current MMO of interest: Vanguard: Saga of Heroes
MMO background: EQ, UO, AO, SWG, PS, EQ2, L2,EQoA, WoW, WWIIO, and AC2
I don't get the request for a raid free server. Usually most raiding is done as an endgame activity, in other words after you level up a character to the level cap. If you like the leveling part of the game, you play that, then just cancel your sub after you reach the level cap, since you don't like raiding. What difference does it make whether it's there or not if you aren't going to do it either way?
For example, I like playing EQ2 in the leveling part of the game, but didn't do any raiding in that game. I just quit before I got to that stage. Wouldn't have mattered to me if it was there or not.
The path mean nothing if the eldorado is not worth it.
There is no point in leveling all the way up if you end-up lame and weaker than someone playing a FOREIGN gameplay.
MMOs are based on ACHIEVEMENTS, if you put raiding at the end of grouping, then grouping is worthless unless you plan on raiding. Any grouper would accept that a grouper is better than they are, they group better or deeper. But someone playing a FOREIGN gameplay that has nothing to do with grouping? Sorry, no point to group, *wave*.
It is exactly the same logic as to why ANY NERF is not acceptable to me...I play to PROGRESS. Everything is in the progression. You put raiding at the end of my path? I take another path, even if this mean another game. Someone may accept or deal with a nerf, but raiding is impossible to adapt to, unless you start raiding.
Stopping at a wall and having completed everything leave you a good feeling, stopping because you group to your best and can't see the end of grouping, this leave you an exhausted feeling but still a feeling of completion, stopping at raiding...that lack...a big time...as it leave an unaccomplished and uncompleted feeling while there is no grouping left to be done. Raiding can't be put after grouping, it can't be related to grouping in anyway. Just take it...away!
Best groupers must be groupers, I must "admire" them, not scowl and spit because they stinck like FoH! The fact I become or not the best grouper is irrelevant, as long as I am grouping toward that end. Now, if you make raiders, aka peoples with no group ethic, as the exclusives peoples to "admire", I will vomit on you right away, raiders have no idea what group ethic is. A group champion is a PUGs maker, not someone who scorn on PUGs, PUGs are the ultimate test on a grouper, it is easy to complete a mission with a few good specialists, but with that gnome screaming for a group and bumping everywhere as a MT? That is an interesting challenge, and if you succeed the happiness the player behind the gnome would experience is reward in itself. If he fail later at other challenges when you are not there, your EGO is in danger of increasing dramatically!
Raiding as in EQ is supposed to be a reward; I am sorry but it is everything except a reward. It is the lamest thing that could strike me, even soloers aren't that bad.
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
I don't get the request for a raid free server. Usually most raiding is done as an endgame activity, in other words after you level up a character to the level cap. If you like the leveling part of the game, you play that, then just cancel your sub after you reach the level cap, since you don't like raiding. What difference does it make whether it's there or not if you aren't going to do it either way?
For example, I like playing EQ2 in the leveling part of the game, but didn't do any raiding in that game. I just quit before I got to that stage. Wouldn't have mattered to me if it was there or not.
Once I was like you, settling for less, playing EQ1 for 6 years knowing I'd never see whole segments of the game because I didn't want to raid yet paying full price. The irony of it is brutal. Black people in the USA had to face the same irony. Before you get on your high horse, yes it's the same. You'll use the same arguements the racist used to try and keep their hold on an unequal system. We don't want to raid and yet we pay full price. Solution: offer a non raid solution, is that so hard? No it isn't hard to offer a non raid server, the devs just don't want to. You really should be asking yourself why most devs don't want to offer a non raid server in a mmorpg? Meanwhile I'm SPENDING my MONEY on Guild Wars because they allow play without raiding. Oh I'm sorry is that crime? Must I go to jail because I don't want to raid? You tell me.
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Ah, just to see if its worth throwing out 50 bucks for somthing I may play for a few hours.Spiritglow
That makes no sense to me at all. You start the game, and in your typical MMORPG you can't do any raiding at all. The first month of the game you'll make some levels, adn the next month a few more. You'll pay 14.95 a month or whatever the sub fee is, and nobody that plays that first two months will be able to raid, because they aren't high enough level.
Everyone's paying the same price, and nobody can raid till later in the game. Say you play for two months. What in the world has that got to do with raiding? When you get to the level that you can raid THEN you'd be paying full price for a game, but not using all it's features. And that's when I would quit. But that has nothing to do with the game BEFORE I can raid.
You can't go on raids at level 1, but you're paying full price. But NOBODY can go on raids at level one, so everyone's getting the same thing for the same price. Right?
I've found that just about every person who posts about the many different MMORPG's out there are of the notion that if they don't like a game then nobody else should like it either - or if they do like the game then everyone should like it.
People need to keep in mind that for every person who does not like paying for a game there is someone out there who doesn't mind for whatever reason he/she has. For every person out there who hates a certain game there is a person who loves it. Eve Online is a shining example of this - dispite the great effort some have taken to post mean and dirty posts about the game simply because they found it not to their liking many more like or love the game.
And to address the person who doesn't like raids I'd venture a guess that for every person who hates to raid there are 2 or 3 that love to raid and I find it just silly to even post a message saying you want to play a game that doesnt offer raid contect just because you don't like it. This logic you have is like going to Disney World and yelling for them to build a park without any rollercoasters because you don't like them. Raid content is just like the rollercoaster - an option. You don't pay 70.00 to enter the park just because it had a rollercoast anymore than you pay 50.00 to play a game to raid. Its all the other stuff you can do that your paying for.
As for me I choose to ignore the hype and mud slinging associated with Vanguard and will play the open beta simply to see if it's a game I'll enjoy. I don't need to get to level 20 to determine that.
At least you are worthy of a reply, unlike the other raid-enforcer.
You try to make peoples who want a raid-free server sound bad. However, these persons don't infrige on other servers, on other gameplays. The problem is directly linked with the peoples seeing raid-free servers as a problematic. See, you can make easier servers, I will applaud. You can make a PREMIUM server, fine I will applaud. You can have test server, cool. You can have PvP servers, sweet. But when someone want a raid-free server, some peoples are resisting?
I will never play on a raiding server again. I don't know which part is hard to understand. It is not like I care about what happen on a raiding server anymore than I would care about what happen on the PvP servers, I just don't care at all; it isn't for me. Now, me, as a powergamer, if you want some "elitists" players on the grouping servers, well you also need to put grouping endgame/endgear if you want to increase the durability and keep more peoples playing. Despite all my nasty sides, I can assure you, I improve the experience of many players on the server; the ever willing *insert most needed class*, always looking for more challenge and more PUGs, yeah that is me! I don't see any SHOOTER fan complaining that I won't play any shooter either, but if the same shooter is turned into a RPG as well, well sure, why not?
You know which peoples resist when they bring PvE servers? It was the PKers and the gankers. Real raiders, they appreciate the idea of a raid-free server, even if they would personnally not play there, since THEY are real raiders; just like real PvPers are happy when they know there are PvE servers, since they are real PvPers and will enjoy PvP all the more, without all the "carebears". To a REAL RAIDER, been on a server with only raiders is a paradise. See, FoH didn't improve the gaming experience of players on their server, they ruin it and make peoples quit the game. Let's take uberguilds that IMPROVE the gaming experience, Township Rebblion or 5 Rings on Luclin for example instead of FoH-ish like guild, peoples who enjoy shafting other. See, most peoples in 5 Rings althought not sharing my point of view, they honestly see no problem with raid-free servers, although they usually express that losing a grouping option make them want to cry (they are sweet players). Again, TR, I didn't see them argue overly with me, yet I know them less, but they seem like the open minded and kind type to me, the peoples that I know personnally in these 2 guilds. These 2 guilds are BUILDING and IMPROVING the gaming experience of some players. I never saw them justify raiding, at least not 3 years ago when I was around (no idea if they turn wrong in time however, but those I keep talking with, are still as open minded and friendly as they always where). They where wishing me, honestly, that I would get such servers, 3 year ago. Peoples who see a problem with raid-free servers, they are "social gankers". And to social gankers, I show no kindness but pure raw hatred, which they deserve from day 1. Social leeches destroy the community, they don't improve it. See, peoples awakening the Sleeper would find raid-free server problematics, real raiders they have no problem with "easier" servers or whatever way you want to put it (althought I would argue and say a raid-free can be just as hard).
If peoples who awaken The Sleepers see a problem with something, it is because they can't shaft other players that way. (I have no idea if FoH awaken the Sleeper, I know that LoS did and LoS are the most vocal piece of trash against the idea among the peoples I can identify, but LoS deserve to be train, and train, and train, and train, until they cancel subscribtion, there is no talking with LoS, Endorean was cool as they understand that, pretty well; see Endorean would have help noobs in distress with no second though, LoS would have enjoy training them, to who should you listen? I am pretty sure that most Ewoks would not see raid-free servers as problematic, yet the LoSers would see this as problematic, yet the LoSers anyway, the only solution is to train them. There are good and bad raiders, they are real raiders and there are social leeches who enjoy gaining a benefit they don't deserve, Listening to Endorean who also help build the community and the quality of the all players experience, from the noobiest to the most uberest, listening to Endorean was wise...Listening to LoS...well, where is my shotgun?). Raid-free servers are a must. Next gen MMOs will have them, for sure. Is Vanguard next gen?
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
I dont want to.
Imagine for a minute that I have a 6 gig monthly download limit, and that my ISP charges 18 cents a megabyte past that limit.
So just downloading the Vanguard beta would cost about $2000.00 or about the same as playing the retail game for ten years.
Or I could be on 6 gig - shaped after that to 28.8k so it would take 10 years to download.
Welcome to the joy of internet access in Australia.
whoa damn!!!! 2000? Is that how much it costs to play for 10 years?!!...I guess it is huh?...I never really thought about how much the monthly fees add up over time...damn where are my priorities lol..Im still gonna play..but since I might shave off all the other mmo's I got going in the process!! lol
Interent access in Australia is just fine mate. Im on ADSL2+ with 30 gig per month for a very reasonable price. Dont blame Australia for your stingy broadband account
I'll join the open beta to get an idea of whether ill enjoy the game into the future. Seems like a good opportunity to see if Vanguard is a good fit for me.
open beta's is for marketing, to sell pre orders in some cases. In Wishe's case it was to see if the game warrented further production.
Anyway I am not interested in the open beta other than I am curious to see how these forums will read once it begins though
I miss DAoC
$90 + per month isnt a reasonable price for internet access. I would rather have the lower limit and spend that $600 a year on something useful. We obviously have different priorities.