What a dissapointment. To think of all the money and man-hours wasted on MMORPGs like this makes me want to cry. Why do so many Dev teams that start out with the mantra "We won't release it until it's ready" end up ignoring that rule in the end?
When you've already spent that much effort, if the damn game needs another year or more, give it the time it needs!
I really feel like what happens in most of these cases is that it eventually becomes apparent to the Developers that they don't have the skill, hiring practices, money, talent and or patience to make a great game, so they just decide to cut their loses, slap together anything even remotely releasable and make back as much money as they can before the game is recognized as a certifiable dud.
I don't know exactly what happened here, but it's another missed opportunity of wasted effort. As a gamer, it's very frustrating.
Vanguard looks for me like a fusion of EQ1 with the quest system and the UI from WoW and the crafting system from EQ2. What's hurt is that in beginning beta 3 the game was more fun as it is now. The last changes in the combat system was not really well thought out. And the stability suffered a lot. Quite often a zone crash kicking all players in that zone to the character selection screen. Furthermore are some database saving errors which can waste a players day. Some classes are outright boring to play in the lower levels. Another thing is that most classes get new abilities only all two levels. This makes all odd levels more boring because you get nearly nothing. Even better it can be that you are getting weaker after a level up! You will see this by checking your stats, armor value and some more before and after a level up. Abilities don't scale well with the level. There are abilities which are extremly overpowered at the level you can get them but six or eight level later they are nothing in comparison of the mobs of equal level as the player.
On the positive side there are some classes which are a lot of fun to play (Ranger, Blood mage, Sorcerer and Paladin) But with the new combat system melees are not so fun anymore. The crafting system looks good for me and is much better than in many other MMORPGs. The diplomaty card game is a very interesting new idea but it have currently no influence in the game play.
In the current state I can not recommend Vanguard Saga of Crashy Heroes! I hope they will not release it at 27th Jan. else everyone buying this at that date will buy an unfinished and buggy game. I think it needs 3 months more till it is finished.
Sadly, I have to agree. After painfully waiting 14 hours to download my patch (with cable connection mind you), I was excited to jump in the game. But now my hope and dreams are just a memory. I hate to say it but this game just doesn't cut it. I've played many MMORPGs in my day and this had the feel of maybe a Dark and Light. The game is unplayable unless you have a screaming puter and even then it's laggy. The graphics are just average and didn't give me the warm fuzzies usually associated with trying out a new game for the first time, in fact it was painful. The animations and combat are absolutely atrocious. Toons look like they're floating as they run past you. I'm just stunned at how bad this game is. Now I hope that they have some kind of major fix coming out soon because without a major overhaul it's back to the drawing board for me. Sad, very sad. I had such high hopes for this game but I'd rather go back and play UO, DAOC, EQ, EQ2, WOW...almost anything but this game. Very disappointing...
and even sadder(?) is a post by Brad on the Vanguard forums that the optimizations they are attempting will only improve by 10% by the time the game is released
oh, but they are planning on all kinds of improvements AFTER the game is released - hehe, now that's a surprise
Cant stand the hype. please check out the game yourselves, and do not compare it to some third world country 3D game. Vanguard is not, im afraid to say, up there among the good MMO's. Its mediocre at best. it was a longshot. Cheers.
The only way Vanguard would be mediocre is if your system is like 5 years old. Sorry, but the graphics and gameplay are amazing. Check it out yourself. Nice troll.
The only thing VG has going for it IS the graphics. They are wonderful and play great on my SLI 8800 GTX system. That however doesn't make up for the very same gameplay we had in EQ1 and animations that... lets face it seem to be taken directly from EQ1.
EQ2 had great graphics to when it was released and similar game play and look how well it did. Fortunately for them they have changed the direction of the gameplay and things got better. Perhaps VG will do so before release as well... but the word "bland" does fit the game play very aptly. I mean it's not even interesting watching your own combat less you like watching someone chop down a tree.
Cant stand the hype. please check out the game yourselves, and do not compare it to some third world country 3D game. Vanguard is not, im afraid to say, up there among the good MMO's. Its mediocre at best. it was a longshot. Cheers.
Nice try.... can you be more vague.
I would say to people to try it for themselves (unlike you... even if you say so, i don't beleive you).
The game is really good. Bugs, like all other mmos out there, are present for sure but aren't gamebreaking (they aren't preventing you from playing the game).
Only 2 gamebreaker bugs IMO :
Chunks crashing
Performance
All the other "bugs" or "gamebreaking" aspect are mechanics that are just not welcomed by testers.
I'll admit I've not levelled up a lot yet (mainly due to server crashes) but here's my 2 cents.
The early levels at least are pretty generic but honestly you can't expect much more, it's been the same in almost every MMO since UO.
The graphics aren't amazing for the requirments, maybe if you ran a really impressive machine at full settings you could get the looks from the trailer. As for the lag, what do people expect from a beta test? People said the exact same thing about the WoW beta and EQ2 - which hasn't improved much from what I gather right enough. Once they get more servers up and you're not in a massively full zone I hope things will improve.
The character creation is probably one of the best apart from City of Heroes and the amount of races and classes should please the constant re-rollers and from what I've heard after level ten once you start getting points it will be much more interesting plus the promised 4-6 dungeons for each level range will be great if it turns out to be true.
The main thing I look forward to here is mounts that don't require endless grinding and finally another game with player/guild housing and cities.
I honestly doubt this will be a game for everyone but it will hopefully find a niche and it is only the beta. I'm still dubious about such an early release though and I'll probably wait a couple of months to start playing once the kinks are sorted out.
I take serious issue with anyone *cough the n00b with the indy sig *cough that can sit there and say Vanguard has "great gameplay" because you dont even know WTF gameplay is... Vanguard could be the next step of EQ but if the animations stay this poor, this game will die. You cant demand that kind of system specs and then produce this kind of results... WTF, who on earth made these animatons? seriously, sigil fire these people and hire some people from Square Enix or some sht... because its CLEAR you have no clue how animiations should look... I am very serious when i say this, AA shouldnt post anymore. He is a complete Fraud.
"Turn off the sound you gain 30 FPS!" Wow, how i just turn off the game? it will really improve my system performance lol.
Totally agree. AA has long been known for jumping on a bandwagon every other month. If he says Vanguard is great, then its probably pretty darn boring.
Why does a game get released, when the dev's say it's not getting released until it's ready? It's got nothing to do with bad software management, it's business, and I'm sure that's what most folks dont understand. Here's an example, Sigil get's 10 million dollars to go to work developing the game, they get to a certain point, then they sign on a publisher, who gives them, say, another 10 million dollars, and they keep on working. Eventually, that money runs out, and guess what, people arent going to give them more, because it's an INVESTMENT, and they want to start seeing a return. So, Sigil has no choice but to release a game, so they can start earning some money, to keep working on things. It's a compromise, but that's the nature of the business.
Not fixing things during Beta 5, ummm...okay.
Better let Sigil know, because otherwise they are wasting their time.
Problem is, even I think some of those things should not NEED to be addressed by Beta 5, for instance racial abilities, and class customization. Those are issues, and to me, a real sign that Sigil HAD to bow to the pressure to get the game out, and get it out soon.
The graphics do look fabulous, but that's not the end all be all to a game, it can draw you in, but it'll never keep you. I know people had framerate problems, or lag issues, but in the 4 patches before beta 5 started, I saw most all of my issues go away, and now only have a few framerate issues and they are pretty rare. Still, coding needs to improve 'em for more people I supose, and to improve overall stability.
Is it fun? For me, yeah, absolutely. It's what WoW was not, there are more complexities, crafting is enjoyable. Quest lines need fixing, and yeah, it's still pretty generic, with the "kill 10 of these, or bring back 10 of this item" types we've always seen.
No way this was EVER going to compete with WoW for subscriber base, or challenge them to be the top game subscription wise, but at one time, I had figured it would far surpass other MMORPG's, and settle in that 3-4 area in terms of subscriptions, but I've resigned myself to the thought that it'll still carry the "potential" tag, and have to survive the "typical" MMO release. If it was polished, if it was in great shape, no doubt it would excel, but like most MMO's, it's going to suffer the first month of so blues, and it's long term success will be up to Sigil, and how they fix things, polish things, and deal with things during that time.
I would like to know what game all the haters are waiting for so we can jump on their forums to post hate threads too. Could be fun !!!
thanks.
I only hate on lame copycat, no skill, been done since the genre opened games. And the game is ? Come on, share what you are waiting for ? Conan ? WAR ?
I would like to have your opinion on those (i must point out that they look pretty darn cool from what i have saw).
It's impossible to judge any game just on what you've seen in it's beta stages and judge them fairly and accurately. Give it time after it's released then you can make a non-biased statement and one that will really stand on its own two feet. Beta is not the place to judge the game, not yet anyway and not accurately.
Well neither is buying a game for $49.99 or up to $59.99 , and realize you should stuck to your gut instinct on the games downfalls.
I played the BEta test early as BEta 3 up to current and its was horribly boring numerous reasons I wish not to reflect on. but I was forcing my self to play the game and stay "non-bias" but i couldnt take it anymore and uninstalled it and never looked back. performance was shaky at best and I have a pretty high end pc. there is too many reasons not to buy this game, but in the end Those are my reasons and not yours, I wont stop you from spending $50 of your money, just as long as its not my own. i'll pass this game on.
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the bottom line is this game is done. There are a lot of people who on these boards will vanish in a few months and im sure return under a different handle to spread there BS... im sure well see Angarr / vengfull / AA and others vanish very soon... simply put
Vanguard is another black eye on the mmo genre... Microsoft was correct when they dumped this game and SoE is simply going to milk this corpse.... It is a reflection on the NA devs that simply put, the NA devs can NOT make a good mmorpg... that the talent has moved to the far east.... wish it wasnt true but it is...
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Originally posted by wyzwun Nah i dont agree with that. LoTO:O is locked in to a certain structure and for that it will fail. Why would i wana be foot soldier when i can be the real deal. Thats one of the many reasons EQ was so great, it allowed players to live out there dreams.... Vanguard simply has to many systems, to much content ... if they can just hire someone to clean up those snes animations id be cool. Its just clear to me you didnt even play the beta. Its very easy to see what is there. They built the first 10 levels very well, it is done in a way that it will help retain new players....
Just because you don't agree with what I have to say doesn't mean I wasn't in the beta, I got in during the Guild Beta around 8/25. I played ~100 hours between then and 12/15 when I just went "oh screw it, this game has no hope." The game sucks. Sorry. The performance of the client at best can be described as abysmal, the graphics are okay but NOTHING compared to what they should be at the performance level the game runs at, but the game play is just... boring and monotonous. You may or may not agree, I couldn't give a crap. IMO and the opinion of my entire guild except for TWO people (a couple) the game is just not worth playing. Don't get me wrong, it's not the WORST game out there or anything. It's just one of many that aren't worth playing.
Edit: All said and done I'll probably try it again after the first expansion, most games change quite considerably around that time. Especially sony games, which realistically is closely related.
Originally posted by Lastera Originally posted by Shadus The game sucks, end of story. It has -zero- hope long term. I put more hope in LoTR online than in Vanguard after playing both for several months. It will appeal to a very small subset of mmo gamers and for them it will be the holy grail, for the vast majority of people however, they're NOT going to like it or enjoy it over any give long period of play.
Nope, LoTR online was created by Turbine so now it won't be a hit, just like DDO.
Oh god, don't get me wrong, I fully agree. It won't be a hit. I just have more hope for lotr than I do vanguard after playing both for a few months.
Originally posted by matraque I would like to know what game all the haters are waiting for so we can jump on their forums to post hate threads too. Could be fun !!!thanks.
I'm not a hater, I just don't see the game as being anything but smalltime niche, and I think its unfortunate. It *should* and *could* have been a excellent game. I'm mostly just disappointed, I figured vanguard is what I would be playing instead of current generation mmo's that bore the hell out of me. I played it for several months and didn't like it. Everyone is entitled to an opinion and this is the place to express your opinion if you don't want it censored on the game forums... the same is true of every game. I give any game I play a fair shake paid, beta, or otherwise. If I don't like it... I don't like it. Doesn't make me a hater. If you like it great, more power to you, you're entitled to your opinion. I find it pretty funny that more or a less anyone that disagrees with the opinion of a fanboy or troll that they get flamed up and down the walls and called the opposite. Funny stuff.
Say anything about a game they disagree with and the fanboys call you a troll. Say anything about a game they disagree with and the trolls call you a fanboy.
Pot ... Kettle. Having an opinion doesn't make you either, not trying the game and having an opinion does.
This game is in NO WAY like the scam DnL was...not even 1 percent close
When it comes to Sigil planning to release a blatantly unfinished product, you really have to step back and wonder if the two have a few negative aspects in common.
Hmmmm, no. I can see how the comparison can be made for unfinished games, but Vanguard is closer to being done than DnL ever will be.
And Sony wouldn't let something like the billing FUBAR happen, they have a reputation to maintain, and frankly, are smarter than that. Worst comes to worst, the game flops, Sigil sells the remains to Sony, and it becomes another EQ 2. In a year or so after the sale we see ads for Vanguard: Saga Of Heroes - The Way It Was Meant To Be
Feels like Mr McQuaid was listening to too many people. He had his original design document, The Vision (tm). But he listened to the arm chair developers in beta, the people in his company. The game he talked about for years, hyped up for so long, became lost in translation. In trying to please everyone, he will end up pleasing no one.
I've been in Beta since Bet 3. Beta 3 felt more like an Alpha than a Beta. I did not have much hope for the game.
Here we are Beta 5, and the game that I started with is a distant memory. Seriously, in about 12 weeks time, the two builds are night and day. It is this progress that has made me a believer. Add to the fact that I am having a great experience in Beta 5, and I will be buying this game at launch.
All the haters can STFU and continue playing their game of choice. Vanguard will stand on its own merit, I have no doubts.
Cant stand the hype. please check out the game yourselves, and do not compare it to some third world country 3D game. Vanguard is not, im afraid to say, up there among the good MMO's. Its mediocre at best. it was a longshot. Cheers.
The only way Vanguard would be mediocre is if your system is like 5 years old. Sorry, but the graphics and gameplay are amazing. Check it out yourself. Nice troll.
The only thing VG has going for it IS the graphics. They are wonderful and play great on my SLI 8800 GTX system. That however doesn't make up for the very same gameplay we had in EQ1 and animations that... lets face it seem to be taken directly from EQ1.
EQ2 had great graphics to when it was released and similar game play and look how well it did. Fortunately for them they have changed the direction of the gameplay and things got better. Perhaps VG will do so before release as well... but the word "bland" does fit the game play very aptly. I mean it's not even interesting watching your own combat less you like watching someone chop down a tree.
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When you've already spent that much effort, if the damn game needs another year or more, give it the time it needs!
I really feel like what happens in most of these cases is that it eventually becomes apparent to the Developers that they don't have the skill, hiring practices, money, talent and or patience to make a great game, so they just decide to cut their loses, slap together anything even remotely releasable and make back as much money as they can before the game is recognized as a certifiable dud.
I don't know exactly what happened here, but it's another missed opportunity of wasted effort. As a gamer, it's very frustrating.
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Vanguard looks for me like a fusion of EQ1 with the quest system and the UI from WoW and the crafting system from EQ2. What's hurt is that in beginning beta 3 the game was more fun as it is now.
The last changes in the combat system was not really well thought out. And the stability suffered a lot. Quite often a zone crash kicking all players in that zone to the character selection screen. Furthermore are some database saving errors which can waste a players day.
Some classes are outright boring to play in the lower levels.
Another thing is that most classes get new abilities only all two levels. This makes all odd levels more boring because you get nearly nothing. Even better it can be that you are getting weaker after a level up! You will see this by checking your stats, armor value and some more before and after a level up. Abilities don't scale well with the level. There are abilities which are extremly overpowered at the level you can get them but six or eight level later they are nothing in comparison of the mobs of equal level as the player.
On the positive side there are some classes which are a lot of fun to play (Ranger, Blood mage, Sorcerer and Paladin) But with the new combat system melees are not so fun anymore. The crafting system looks good for me and is much better than in many other MMORPGs.
The diplomaty card game is a very interesting new idea but it have currently no influence in the game play.
In the current state I can not recommend Vanguard Saga of Crashy Heroes! I hope they will not release it at 27th Jan. else everyone buying this at that date will buy an unfinished and buggy game. I think it needs 3 months more till it is finished.
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and even sadder(?) is a post by Brad on the Vanguard forums that the optimizations they are attempting will only improve by 10% by the time the game is released
oh, but they are planning on all kinds of improvements AFTER the game is released - hehe, now that's a surprise
The only way Vanguard would be mediocre is if your system is like 5 years old. Sorry, but the graphics and gameplay are amazing. Check it out yourself. Nice troll.
The only thing VG has going for it IS the graphics. They are wonderful and play great on my SLI 8800 GTX system. That however doesn't make up for the very same gameplay we had in EQ1 and animations that... lets face it seem to be taken directly from EQ1.
EQ2 had great graphics to when it was released and similar game play and look how well it did. Fortunately for them they have changed the direction of the gameplay and things got better. Perhaps VG will do so before release as well... but the word "bland" does fit the game play very aptly. I mean it's not even interesting watching your own combat less you like watching someone chop down a tree.
8800GTX Sli.......you need a head exam pronto.
I would say to people to try it for themselves (unlike you... even if you say so, i don't beleive you).
The game is really good. Bugs, like all other mmos out there, are present for sure but aren't gamebreaking (they aren't preventing you from playing the game).
Only 2 gamebreaker bugs IMO :
Chunks crashing
Performance
All the other "bugs" or "gamebreaking" aspect are mechanics that are just not welcomed by testers.
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"Why do so many Dev teams that start out with the mantra "We won't release it until it's ready" end up ignoring that rule in the end?"
This is simply bad software management and developement in action.
Everyone sat around for 3 years telling each other how great they were and how they would create the worlds best MMOG.
Sometime last year someone finally spoke up and said I guess we should start coding something.
Last month someone suggested to start coding something that actually works.
Last week someone suggested lets just release it and see what everyone complains about and think about coding something to fix that.
Next week someone will suggest they hire someone who actually knows how to write code.
Hang in thier, these thing take time and your money to get working.
The early levels at least are pretty generic but honestly you can't expect much more, it's been the same in almost every MMO since UO.
The graphics aren't amazing for the requirments, maybe if you ran a really impressive machine at full settings you could get the looks from the trailer.
As for the lag, what do people expect from a beta test? People said the exact same thing about the WoW beta and EQ2 - which hasn't improved much from what I gather right enough. Once they get more servers up and you're not in a massively full zone I hope things will improve.
The character creation is probably one of the best apart from City of Heroes and the amount of races and classes should please the constant re-rollers and from what I've heard after level ten once you start getting points it will be much more interesting plus the promised 4-6 dungeons for each level range will be great if it turns out to be true.
The main thing I look forward to here is mounts that don't require endless grinding and finally another game with player/guild housing and cities.
I honestly doubt this will be a game for everyone but it will hopefully find a niche and it is only the beta. I'm still dubious about such an early release though and I'll probably wait a couple of months to start playing once the kinks are sorted out.
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Some folks are just idiots....
Why does a game get released, when the dev's say it's not getting released until it's ready? It's got nothing to do with bad software management, it's business, and I'm sure that's what most folks dont understand. Here's an example, Sigil get's 10 million dollars to go to work developing the game, they get to a certain point, then they sign on a publisher, who gives them, say, another 10 million dollars, and they keep on working. Eventually, that money runs out, and guess what, people arent going to give them more, because it's an INVESTMENT, and they want to start seeing a return. So, Sigil has no choice but to release a game, so they can start earning some money, to keep working on things. It's a compromise, but that's the nature of the business.
Not fixing things during Beta 5, ummm...okay.
Better let Sigil know, because otherwise they are wasting their time.
http://www.vanguardsoh.com/status.php
Problem is, even I think some of those things should not NEED to be addressed by Beta 5, for instance racial abilities, and class customization. Those are issues, and to me, a real sign that Sigil HAD to bow to the pressure to get the game out, and get it out soon.
The graphics do look fabulous, but that's not the end all be all to a game, it can draw you in, but it'll never keep you. I know people had framerate problems, or lag issues, but in the 4 patches before beta 5 started, I saw most all of my issues go away, and now only have a few framerate issues and they are pretty rare. Still, coding needs to improve 'em for more people I supose, and to improve overall stability.
Is it fun? For me, yeah, absolutely. It's what WoW was not, there are more complexities, crafting is enjoyable. Quest lines need fixing, and yeah, it's still pretty generic, with the "kill 10 of these, or bring back 10 of this item" types we've always seen.
No way this was EVER going to compete with WoW for subscriber base, or challenge them to be the top game subscription wise, but at one time, I had figured it would far surpass other MMORPG's, and settle in that 3-4 area in terms of subscriptions, but I've resigned myself to the thought that it'll still carry the "potential" tag, and have to survive the "typical" MMO release. If it was polished, if it was in great shape, no doubt it would excel, but like most MMO's, it's going to suffer the first month of so blues, and it's long term success will be up to Sigil, and how they fix things, polish things, and deal with things during that time.
I would like to have your opinion on those (i must point out that they look pretty darn cool from what i have saw).
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Well neither is buying a game for $49.99 or up to $59.99 , and realize you should stuck to your gut instinct on the games downfalls.
I played the BEta test early as BEta 3 up to current and its was horribly boring numerous reasons I wish not to reflect on. but I was forcing my self to play the game and stay "non-bias" but i couldnt take it anymore and uninstalled it and never looked back. performance was shaky at best and I have a pretty high end pc. there is too many reasons not to buy this game, but in the end Those are my reasons and not yours, I wont stop you from spending $50 of your money, just as long as its not my own. i'll pass this game on.
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the bottom line is this game is done. There are a lot of people who on these boards will vanish in a few months and im sure return under a different handle to spread there BS... im sure well see Angarr / vengfull / AA and others vanish very soon... simply put
Vanguard is another black eye on the mmo genre... Microsoft was correct when they dumped this game and SoE is simply going to milk this corpse.... It is a reflection on the NA devs that simply put, the NA devs can NOT make a good mmorpg... that the talent has moved to the far east.... wish it wasnt true but it is...
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Just because you don't agree with what I have to say doesn't mean I wasn't in the beta, I got in during the Guild Beta around 8/25. I played ~100 hours between then and 12/15 when I just went "oh screw it, this game has no hope." The game sucks. Sorry. The performance of the client at best can be described as abysmal, the graphics are okay but NOTHING compared to what they should be at the performance level the game runs at, but the game play is just... boring and monotonous. You may or may not agree, I couldn't give a crap. IMO and the opinion of my entire guild except for TWO people (a couple) the game is just not worth playing. Don't get me wrong, it's not the WORST game out there or anything. It's just one of many that aren't worth playing.
Edit: All said and done I'll probably try it again after the first expansion, most games change quite considerably around that time. Especially sony games, which realistically is closely related.
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Oh god, don't get me wrong, I fully agree. It won't be a hit. I just have more hope for lotr than I do vanguard after playing both for a few months.
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I'm not a hater, I just don't see the game as being anything but smalltime niche, and I think its unfortunate. It *should* and *could* have been a excellent game. I'm mostly just disappointed, I figured vanguard is what I would be playing instead of current generation mmo's that bore the hell out of me. I played it for several months and didn't like it. Everyone is entitled to an opinion and this is the place to express your opinion if you don't want it censored on the game forums... the same is true of every game. I give any game I play a fair shake paid, beta, or otherwise. If I don't like it... I don't like it. Doesn't make me a hater. If you like it great, more power to you, you're entitled to your opinion. I find it pretty funny that more or a less anyone that disagrees with the opinion of a fanboy or troll that they get flamed up and down the walls and called the opposite. Funny stuff.
Say anything about a game they disagree with and the fanboys call you a troll.
Say anything about a game they disagree with and the trolls call you a fanboy.
Pot ... Kettle. Having an opinion doesn't make you either, not trying the game and having an opinion does.
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It's not a scam if that's what you're implying, it's just not something fun.
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When it comes to Sigil planning to release a blatantly unfinished product, you really have to step back and wonder if the two have a few negative aspects in common.
And Sony wouldn't let something like the billing FUBAR happen, they have a reputation to maintain, and frankly, are smarter than that. Worst comes to worst, the game flops, Sigil sells the remains to Sony, and it becomes another EQ 2. In a year or so after the sale we see ads for Vanguard: Saga Of Heroes - The Way It Was Meant To Be
Feels like Mr McQuaid was listening to too many people. He had his original design document, The Vision (tm). But he listened to the arm chair developers in beta, the people in his company. The game he talked about for years, hyped up for so long, became lost in translation. In trying to please everyone, he will end up pleasing no one.
I've been in Beta since Bet 3. Beta 3 felt more like an Alpha than a Beta. I did not have much hope for the game.
Here we are Beta 5, and the game that I started with is a distant memory. Seriously, in about 12 weeks time, the two builds are night and day. It is this progress that has made me a believer. Add to the fact that I am having a great experience in Beta 5, and I will be buying this game at launch.
All the haters can STFU and continue playing their game of choice. Vanguard will stand on its own merit, I have no doubts.
Now playing Vanguard, but drooling for WAR
The only way Vanguard would be mediocre is if your system is like 5 years old. Sorry, but the graphics and gameplay are amazing. Check it out yourself. Nice troll.
The only thing VG has going for it IS the graphics. They are wonderful and play great on my SLI 8800 GTX system. That however doesn't make up for the very same gameplay we had in EQ1 and animations that... lets face it seem to be taken directly from EQ1.
EQ2 had great graphics to when it was released and similar game play and look how well it did. Fortunately for them they have changed the direction of the gameplay and things got better. Perhaps VG will do so before release as well... but the word "bland" does fit the game play very aptly. I mean it's not even interesting watching your own combat less you like watching someone chop down a tree.
8800GTX Sli.......you need a head exam pronto.God am i ever glad i have two good friends who run there own computer store that slap me on the side of the head everytime i get a stupid idea like throwing 4 gigs of ram in my motherboard just because it says it supports it lol