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Performance is Terrible
dink
Member Posts: 438
I have a fairly good gaming PC. It isn't top-of-the-line, but it plays most games at maximum settings with at least 40-60 FPS. This is a 2.4 Ghz processor, 1 GB RAM, GeForce 6800 256 MB PC. It's not a race car, but it is definitely sporty.
However, I've been trying to play Vanguard and even with performance settings pushed to the ultimate low available (settings that make the game look WORSE than DAoC graphics), I am slideshowing whenever I play near other players or on occasion as I move through a zone and new graphics are streamed in.
Yes, it is a beta, and I am hearing from others that while their performance is bad compared to prettier games they can also run on their system, it is pretty much unanimous that the performance is just awful.
I've only been able to get to level 5 as I can't play on servers that have high populations (being near other people makes it unplayable - how will I ever group?), but from what I've seen so far, combat is fairly standard for MMOs. Auto-attacks and special skills. I did diplomacy missions all morning and had a really good time doing them as I enjoy stories, but they aren't rewarding - at least not so far as I have nothing to show for my efforts yet besides more skill in diplomacy which doesn't seem to have any use outside the diplomacy mini-game.
It's really surprising to me that the performance is so awful. I mean, I saw this at E3 and wondered why the graphics were so bad. Maybe they couldn't run the game with settings that normal games would use even on monster PCs back then. Unless I come into $3K and can by an uber PC with dual GPUs or they make huge fixes to this before release, there is no way that I would ever purchase this game. . .
If I can't play it even when it looks like ass (something I'm not interested in doing), then I'm pretty much SOL. I can't imagine even the high-end rigs being able to function in a raid environment. It just boggles my mind that the game is in this state during open beta.
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I'll agree to that. Add a gig of ram and get that video card updated...you'll be happy.
It's important to realize the difference between when your PC is lacking and when the game is lacking before you criticize.
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Why do that when every other game plays at max settings with great FPS? I'll just not purchase Vanguard. You shouldn't have to have a top-of-the-line PC to be able to play this game. I simply can't afford to pay $500-$800 to play one game that I'm not even sure about. Many of us have to wait for video cards to come down in price to around $200 before we even consider purchasing them. Compared to other PC gamers I know, I have a middle-of-the-road gaming system that is quite capable of running all other games at very good speed (though not at HD resolutions and with 90 FPS like the monster systems).
Plus, we aren't talking about a game that LOOKS great. I understood why I had to turn shadows off (my only caveat) in Oblivion to be able to have the highest resolution textures and still get 40 FPS (which could dip down to ten FPS if I had more than 8 or so mobs on screen - so I needed it up to 40 FPS). Vanguard just looks okay when at max settings (It slideshows and is unplayable but I can get "screenshots" at max settings). It just doesn't make sense for a game that looks average to have such god-awful performance.
Yeah, it doesn't look good on old hardware. Looks amazing on my rig BTW. It's just a fact of life I'm afraid. The latest PC games require newish hardware. You can fight it all you like, it's not going to change.
It doesnt cost a huge amont for a new stick of ram, your looking at maybe $150?
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Personally I find the performance is pretty horrible myself too.
Apart from a piss poor ping (Im in the UK), it runs very well. I've got it maxed out at 1920 x 1200. Absolutely stunning game. Are you using the 6.12 CATS etc?
Here's a thought...
TURN DOWN THE SETTINGS.
I can get 25-30 fps on my 2 gig P4, 1.5 gig RAM, x800pro simply by tweaking the setting.
1) Check your drivers, read Performance forums. I know they were having performance issues with the 6000 series.
2) Make sure you incorporate the settings tweaks
3) Use the Shader Caching .ini file edit and you should be good to go.
The fact of the matter is, you can't just simply expect a game to "perform better" like they are being stingy with their performance. When you have a game, an MMO at that, that has this sort of graphical quality with things like HDR, Tone Mapping, bountiful normal mapping, Bloom, Fully Rendered (non facade) structures....you can't really epect to run the game at high settings with a "meh" machine.
well if I remember right, when EQ1 was in its final stages and even when it launched....there was a SEMI-LOAD of downtime and hackey performance..I think it took a good 3 weeks off and on to finally straighten out the wrinkles. Mentioning this because maybe its just how brad's team operates. Is it efficient or smart? No it's downright frustrating. Find all the performance issues will iron themselves out..it'll just unfortunately take time.
Then once they are ironed out..a new expansion will be out and it'll start all over again!! YAY!!
Amen, I posted about this in another thread. People just assume that their ancient hardware will run everything at max. It's irksome!
Same gripe,
2 gig ram, AMD 3700+, Geforce 6800 256MB PCI-E
I am pretty dissapointed. I am playing the game on high performance settings and am getting a pretty bad framerate when in cities and dungeons. I have been informed that the game will be optimized more, and of course that this still is beta. I am just really hoping that things work out and I am able to play this game as it is pretty fun. I remember back in the day I played EQ2 with a P4, a gig of ram, and a geforce 5200 and that played well on high performance settings.
Anyhow, ive messed around with all the settings, you can't presume that everyone on here doesnt. Also, I wouldn't say my system is meh, games like oblivion, and pretty much any newer games after that ive never had a problem with.
Though the game is still in beta, so we'll see, ive heard that during beta theres a string of code for easy access to change things in game that can impact the performance level.
Am building
Intel core 2 quad extreme 2.66 ghz
nforce 6 SLI
Corsair 2Gb DDR2-800
Dual 768MB GeForce 8800 GTX's
2 150 Gb 10,000 Raptors
Not sure about the case and power supply yet or the sound card ,but ive been waiting 8 months to do it gunna cost alot in Canada its time to upgrade for me . MY wife gets my old one which will run Vanguard and where both playing . See ya in there
My system:
2.2ghz
512mb ATI Vid (newest drivers)
2Gig Ram
I play everything from Doom 3, Oblivion, COD2 and Everquest2 on basically the highest you can go. The only thing i turn off is shadows which i've found in my experience to be the biggest lag grabber in any game. Plus the shadows dont really wow me so i dont have a problem doing that. Each of those games run beautifully and it takes a LOT of players in one spot for me to even seen a performance issue.
I jumped on the smallest server last night, there were about 6 peeps in the area, i only had my system at a 'Balanced' setting (no filtering, no shadows..no real eye grabbing effects on) and still it was very lagging. I was also only playing at 1280x1024...(EQ2 is at 1600)......Its a bit of a bummer i must say.
Now i'm not knocking the Game for its entertainment value...its beta..and i've been in Many betas from LOTR, EQ, EQ2, WoW and so on and i have to say the performance is the most lacking in this beta...i try to look past it but in time it takes away from immersion....but again the game content itself isnt bad..just performance
Again..its beta (though open beta) and i hope that they have a magic wand that will fix atleast some of it... EQ2 has much better graphics and i run that full steam....
Ok done....just my 2 cents...ok maybe more!
Power Supply - Enermax Galaxy 1000
Sound - X-Fi Fatality
Nice rig BTW
"This is not a game to be tossed aside lightly.
It should be thrown with great force"
Nice advice, absolutely no basis in fact.
First off, it is hard enough for some people to read implied emphasis on these forums. I don't take any chances, and it's really easy to hit some shortcuts to bold and raise font size. I find it effective, if you don't like my internet rhetoric, I'm not really all that concerned.
Have you inserted the Shader Caching line into your Vgclien.ini file? What it does is it take the Shaders that are normally stored on your memory and puts it on your HD and frees up space for other processes which are much more important. 15 or so Frames per second increase. Easy.
Additionally, Oblivion is a terrible comparison. MMOs are as a rule perform worse simply due the the uncontroled environment. Single player games have the luxury of being able to design their game with constraints. IE, when you enter this location there will only ever be these many objects here, when you enter this level there will only ever be X many modles on screen.
Also...because VG is being built so that flying mounts are available at launch and are useable everywhere, certain objects (buildings in a city, locations in the distance, things up on a mountain, etc) must be fully rendered on all sides. A complete object. Other games, like EQII and WoW excessivly use Facades, Hollywood mockups, cardbord cutouts that are propped up against a wall and only textured on one side.
And again.... They were having problems with the 6000 series. I believe you actually needed to roll your drivers back for the game to play as it should...but i don't have one so I never really paid attention to those threads.