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Ok..Im posting this because I think the NDA has been lifted. Everywhere I look people are posting about Vanguard so I am assuming it is. However, if the NDA hasnt been lifted, MODs, please delete this thread. Thanks!
With that said and done. I have to say a few things about it.
WoW......er....wow....the Devs weren't inspired by the interface of World of Warcraft at all were they? But I'll get to that later.
When I first logged on I have to say...I had no wow factor...no OOOooooOOoooo look at that!!! I was disappointed. Kinda like the same disappointment I had when I logged onto Horizen's Beta.
First of all the character creation is really weird. You design your character based on a slide scale versus solid "decisions". Example...the hair color and such were on a slide meter. I would figure it would have been easier to just make color blocks so you can easily choose your color.
Also, the graphics weren't all that impressive whatsoever. With MMOs pushing out increadible graphic MMOs this new year, I was a little discouraged by the lack of detail they placed in the characters. Now...the landscape was done well and the armor is nice. However, everyone pretty much looks the same. Not as bad as Lineage ][ but close.
WoW similiarities.
The first hint that I got that this game borrowed a LOT of artistic rendering from WoW was in the character creation. When I was creating my dwarf, I realized...wow....(no pun intended) the beard designs are virtual clones of Blizzard's Dwarves beards. I loaded up WoW to make sure and sure enough the dwarves beards in Vanguard and WoW were virtually identical. Right down to the Celtic bands that held the braided french twist hiar together.
After spending about 5 minutes creating my character (didnt take much....Vanguard is seriously lacking in customization) I logged into the world. Hoping to get a breath ful of awe and wonder, I did not. The first thing I noticed about the ingame UI was how EERILY similiar and identical the hotbars were to WoW. Right down to the right and left artistic designs at the ends of the hotbar right to the FPS meter and the bag setup and skill set up icons. Everything screamed WoW. I thought to myself, "Jeebus....was anything original?"
Then I took my first quest. Simple enough. Very simple enough. Since the combat was set up 100% just like WoW, the learning curve was 32 seconds long (maybe less). I completed my first mission!!! yes!!! I ran back to the quest giver and then I got another unoriginal thing slapped right in my face.
If you ever played wow, you'll know that when y ou return to the quest giver after completing the quest, you'll get this brief drumroll that tells you you have completed the quest and receive XP. Vanguard does the same thing. SAME EXACT DAMN drumroll too. It was as if they recorded the thing and just coded into their UI.
Now, the funny thing is when I mentioned this general chat the responses I got. Here is an example:
"Me: Is it just me or is the UI setup in Vanguard curiously similiar to that in World of Warcraft"
"Guina: Yes, that's what I've been saying!"
"Kilia: I wish people stop saying that. It's not. Every MMO copies itself when making a new MMO. It helps the players not to always have to relearn everything. Besides, they didn't copy it from WoW....EQ2 is set up the same way."
"Me: EQ2 looks nothing like this. Are you sure you're talking about the same game"
"Lucy: This doesn't look anything like WoW! Its not as cartoony"
"Me: Im talking baout the interface...not the graphics...."
"Kilia: I mean think about it....every car has a steering wheel....are they copying from one another"
"Me: that analogy is horrible! Every car needs a steering wheel. However, if a company designed a steering wheel that is shaped like donkey kong and then you saw a nother car 3 years later that has a steeringwheel the shape of donkey koong but in a other color do you think they copied?"
"Kilia: huh? "
"Me: Yeah....thought so"
Anyways, about 20 minutes later is was crazy to see the sheer amount of people who actually aid "You know what...you're right.....this does look like WoW"
I played up to lvl 22 and then I pretty much threw in the hat. It reminded me a lot of SWG legacy quests. Sure, there is a lot to do first the first twenty lvls but after that, it drops hard core in the amount of quests you get. From then one its just mindless grinding."
I've got a bad feeling Vanguard will be another greatly anticpated game that failed to deliver based on its hype. Crap.....im loosing faith fast in people making good MMOs. Long gone are the glory days of notable MMOs.
With that said and done. I have to say a few things about it.
WoW......er....wow....the Devs weren't inspired by the interface of World of Warcraft at all were they? But I'll get to that later.
When I first logged on I have to say...I had no wow factor...no OOOooooOOoooo look at that!!! I was disappointed. Kinda like the same disappointment I had when I logged onto Horizen's Beta.
First of all the character creation is really weird. You design your character based on a slide scale versus solid "decisions". Example...the hair color and such were on a slide meter. I would figure it would have been easier to just make color blocks so you can easily choose your color.
Also, the graphics weren't all that impressive whatsoever. With MMOs pushing out increadible graphic MMOs this new year, I was a little discouraged by the lack of detail they placed in the characters. Now...the landscape was done well and the armor is nice. However, everyone pretty much looks the same. Not as bad as Lineage ][ but close.
WoW similiarities.
The first hint that I got that this game borrowed a LOT of artistic rendering from WoW was in the character creation. When I was creating my dwarf, I realized...wow....(no pun intended) the beard designs are virtual clones of Blizzard's Dwarves beards. I loaded up WoW to make sure and sure enough the dwarves beards in Vanguard and WoW were virtually identical. Right down to the Celtic bands that held the braided french twist hiar together.
After spending about 5 minutes creating my character (didnt take much....Vanguard is seriously lacking in customization) I logged into the world. Hoping to get a breath ful of awe and wonder, I did not. The first thing I noticed about the ingame UI was how EERILY similiar and identical the hotbars were to WoW. Right down to the right and left artistic designs at the ends of the hotbar right to the FPS meter and the bag setup and skill set up icons. Everything screamed WoW. I thought to myself, "Jeebus....was anything original?"
Then I took my first quest. Simple enough. Very simple enough. Since the combat was set up 100% just like WoW, the learning curve was 32 seconds long (maybe less). I completed my first mission!!! yes!!! I ran back to the quest giver and then I got another unoriginal thing slapped right in my face.
If you ever played wow, you'll know that when y ou return to the quest giver after completing the quest, you'll get this brief drumroll that tells you you have completed the quest and receive XP. Vanguard does the same thing. SAME EXACT DAMN drumroll too. It was as if they recorded the thing and just coded into their UI.
Now, the funny thing is when I mentioned this general chat the responses I got. Here is an example:
"Me: Is it just me or is the UI setup in Vanguard curiously similiar to that in World of Warcraft"
"Guina: Yes, that's what I've been saying!"
"Kilia: I wish people stop saying that. It's not. Every MMO copies itself when making a new MMO. It helps the players not to always have to relearn everything. Besides, they didn't copy it from WoW....EQ2 is set up the same way."
"Me: EQ2 looks nothing like this. Are you sure you're talking about the same game"
"Lucy: This doesn't look anything like WoW! Its not as cartoony"
"Me: Im talking baout the interface...not the graphics...."
"Kilia: I mean think about it....every car has a steering wheel....are they copying from one another"
"Me: that analogy is horrible! Every car needs a steering wheel. However, if a company designed a steering wheel that is shaped like donkey kong and then you saw a nother car 3 years later that has a steeringwheel the shape of donkey koong but in a other color do you think they copied?"
"Kilia: huh? "
"Me: Yeah....thought so"
Anyways, about 20 minutes later is was crazy to see the sheer amount of people who actually aid "You know what...you're right.....this does look like WoW"
I played up to lvl 22 and then I pretty much threw in the hat. It reminded me a lot of SWG legacy quests. Sure, there is a lot to do first the first twenty lvls but after that, it drops hard core in the amount of quests you get. From then one its just mindless grinding."
I've got a bad feeling Vanguard will be another greatly anticpated game that failed to deliver based on its hype. Crap.....im loosing faith fast in people making good MMOs. Long gone are the glory days of notable MMOs.
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
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BTW, weren't you a moderator here before? Or am I going crazy?
I was a moderator but I stepped down because I wanted to post with you fine folk. As a MOD they have some rules (good rules) I just couldn't do. Im the type of person who likes to posts and not just monitor.
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
Vanboi
I love it lol.
Why didn't you just create a 2nd acocunt?
First off. They intentionally made the UI reflect what has become the MMO industry standard (set by WoW unfortunately). The UI is totally customziable and I am already running with 3 completed mods that makes my UI look anything like WoW's.
You really have to play the game past level 10 to even get a feel or understanding of what Vanguard is all about.....compare the first 10 levels to the first 10 levels of your favorite game and you will see Vanguard does really well.....to me the first 10 levels are mainly done solo like WoW just to give the players an introduction to the game. After that the real game begins with awesome group combat that is both dynamic and challenging.
The graphics are absolutely amazing....you really have to move around the world to appreciate....I'm assuming you didnt since you didnt play for very long.
There is no denying there are performance issues and bugs....this is however still beta and the game is seriously running better every day.....they patched twice yesterday and its running better for me now than it ever did.
This game has amazing potential for those that want the challenge brought back to MMOs.
If this game does go on to fail I will 100% believe what I have been thinking since November 2004.....and that is WoW has ruined the MMO genre for ever.
I was a moderator but I stepped down because I wanted to post with you fine folk. As a MOD they have some rules (good rules) I just couldn't do. Im the type of person who likes to posts and not just monitor.
Yes you make lots of valid comments.I also typed about WOW in chat and got flamed to hell by the vanbois
Why do people keep saying shit like this as if it's a good thing? "Sorry, your pie tastes like shit, ma'am, but after 5 minutes, you'll come to appreciate the taste of the pie as it was intended and as it was meant to be experienced."
It's a logical fallacy that crumbles apart under any type of scrutiny.
I try every mainstream mmorpg (and some not so mainstream) and they just keep getting more and more... stale
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
But they didn't clone the fun and awe factor of WoW.
You guys are so wrong its not even funny....its a shame you are going to miss out on Vanguard.
When you start talking about the first WoW clone....wait until you see LOTRO.
Vanguard just takes what was good in WoW and takes the fun out of it.
Edit: I am playing EVE right now, just in case anyone was going to play the "You are a WoW fanboy!" card.
I think we can call Vanguard the first true WoW clone, in every sense.
You guys are so wrong its not even funny....its a shame you are going to miss out on Vanguard.
When you start talking about the first WoW clone....wait until you see LOTRO.
Yeah, it's a crying shame. Don't know how I'm going to live with myself. Nope, can't do it. AFK for a sec while I kill myself.
OK, I'm back. I'll kill myself some other time.
Anyhow...Vanguard - another me-too fantasy MMORPG, elves and dwarves. Oh calloo callay! Oh fucking yippee!!!
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
There is always AoC and WAR to look forward to.
Edit: Should have been more clear, if you have played Vanguard in its current state and think it is better than WoW, you are a mindless fanboy.
the ui of alot of mmo's even pre wow - look similar so what?
ive never played a mmo which doesnt involve repetitive type questing and returning to locations to "cash in" its part of the mmo adventure, well unless you pure grind on mobs that is
Vanguard has massive depth, from what youve mentioned here it sounds like all youve done is kill mobs and level up?!
it has a gentle intro (which is welcomed as is in all mmo games to introduce new players to mmo gaming, and also older players to start discovering their skills etc)
Where Vanuard begins to stand out from the crowd is its 2 additional spheres, diplomacy and crafting they are complex, and huge
Along side a player run economy, player housing, vendors, guild cities etc etc - i could go on but i feel the wow fanbois will not listen anyways
BTW talking about another game inside any game is rarely welcomed as its totally pointless and irrelevent! So can understand why your comments werent welcomed in game
Maybe discover some of what the game has uniquely to offer, not what similarites it has to other games and you might see what i mean - if you play it like its wow, dont expect anything different!!
The reason so many are going on about - this looks like wow is 1 they havent really discovered what Vanguard offers yet - 2 . the only game theyve ever really played is the overly simplistic game called wow!
Also dont foget this game is currently in phase 5 which is primarily stress testing - they have more content not revealed yet
I just wish people would stop focussing on comparing it to wow, and get on with what differences / additions there actually is in this game compared to the previous mmos out there - yes there really is more out there than wow! (btw wow to me became boring in a matter of months, hit lvl 60 and there was nothing actually challenging or fun left to do unless you count re running instances / bgs for uber items - booring)
SOE and EA don't help, since they love to force games out early. I would say EA is the worst, they force games out early, then if they aren't popular enough, they drop support in a month or two.
LOL Oh... My.... GOD.
If I ever had to pick one comment that was the most ridiculously fantastic comment ever made on these boards, THIS WOULD BE IT.
So let's get this straight, Sigil makes a bunch of promises, copies a bunch of shit from a game they kept saying they wanted to be different from, actually going out of their way to say they would make a game completely different then. So then they change a bunch of their promises, make some pretty bad game mechanics...
And WHAT??? This is now. Blizzard fault, this is World of Warcrafts fault???
LOL, what in the hell? Why, because they made a game people have fun in? Because people play a game they enjoy and are having a good time? Because it was sooo good that Sigil couldn't help but copy it?
I'm telling you, I've heard absolutely everything now.
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