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Elders pwnd yet again
OOJ-Zero
Member Posts: 9
We also have some unique offers to our veteran Jedi players in recognition of their accomplishments such as a powerful lightsaber crystal (thus, giving them the most-powerful lightsaber in the game), an exclusive Jedi robe, a Jedi-exclusive buff, and the opportunity to appear in ghost form. Ultimately, these Jedi-specific items will make veteran Jedi more powerful than any Jedi who becomes such from the new Jedi profession path.
And of course they are quick to ban anyone who happens to comment on this, such as myself...
I'm kinda surprised that a bunch of ppl haven't gone to random websites with the annoying pop-up adds for stuff like FREE X-BOX 360, that when you give them your e-mail address they just send you tons of junk e-mail, and put in starwars@soe.sony.com to irritate the forum mods...
SWG refuge...avoid $OE like the plague...forum Nazis, GAWD.
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This is what...something like the 4th thread you've made about this?
Your grind to Elder isn't all that different to the grind to General. Both involved months of grinding to get. Remember, to get the Elder rewards you only need to get through the Village and unlock Jedi. Why should Elders get rewarded with extra damage for a long grind, while Generals which do a just as long grind get something less?
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Go back to your fanobi forums, this is for SOE/LA haters only.
What part in you reply reffered to Julios lie about Obi Kenobis crystal will make Elders most powerfull Jedis ?
Me thought you were smart Obraik , but this one here was a cheap try to discredit ppls accomplishment to unlock Jedi pre-NGE. Compare your nuts with apples elsewhere but dont ever compare childish NGE with the true Pre CU Jedi !
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Hey kid, listen... sorry... if you were in the game this long in the first place you pretty much have no sympathy of mine.
I was a pre-9 unlocker and pretty much the fact you let them crap on you this long is a joke.
For alot of us, all we needed was to know how hard it was for us... I did not want the robe, crystal or any of that crap... just my title the feel and effort made.
I can safely say that the Jedi that are left are shells or clicky Jedi that pretty much have no idea what it was like to be one in the game when it mattered.
But like it was said, any self respecting vet or Elder Jedi retired them when the NGE hit.
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
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I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1
B'nars is still better.
What part in you reply reffered to Julios lie about Obi Kenobis crystal will make Elders most powerfull Jedis ?
Me thought you were smart Obraik , but this one here was a cheap try to discredit ppls accomplishment to unlock Jedi pre-NGE. Compare your nuts with apples elsewhere but dont ever compare childish NGE with the true Pre CU Jedi !
And that quote was said well over a year ago back when the NGE was first released. Consider it an expansion, and just like with most expansions you get more powerful weapons available to attain to make them more worthwhile to get.
the constitution is at least twice as old as that quote and it still applies.
either julio was being purposely manipulative or he meant what he said and SOE just disregarded it. Either way doesn't bode well for SOE.
also you're a hypocrite. Julio never said it wouldn't always be the best crystal. You're just making that assumption therefore, "looking to far into what has been said". And your argument is that things get replaced during the natural progression of the game. Well this is a unique item stimulated from unique circumstances and so normal justification doesn't apply.
SOE lied? Reallly??!?!??!?? SOE! I can not believe it! I believe you are mistaken, sir!
SOE has a long history of doing exactly what they said they would; for you to even suggest otherwise shows that YOU are the liar!
At what point do you "Elders" stop being surprised that SOE isn't doing what they said they were going to? Why haven't you, at this point, just rolled over and excepted it like the good lil sheep you have proven yourself to be? Keep feeding these people money so they can string you along, but don't you dare complain about it - your time to complain was over year ago.
/emote taps OOJ-Zero on the shoulder
/say it's a dead horse
"The liberties and resulting economic prosperity that YOU take for granted were granted by those "dead guys"
After watching jedi get nerfed since publish 8 no maybe pub 7, wow time has gone by, i can not bring myself to log into the mess of a effects screen it has become it is like turning the brightness to strobe effects.
the game is a load of b oll ox now!
3 years i wasted all my stuff in my houses sits there paid for till ,well millions of credits run out i suppose, guess i will retire in rl before my toons do.
ahhh the potential, ahh soe, ahh sick of the bs.
I don't play anymore, and haven't since the NGE, so this doesn't impact me personally. However, this is really a new low for SOE.
The elder benefits, including the crystal were an acknowledgement of how royally they screwed over the pre-NGE Jedi. Inadequate as it was, it was compensation for taking away something so they could give it away to other players. Now SOE wants to take away the meagar compensation they handed out.
Its like the Dutch that bought the island of Manahattan for a few beads and trinkets, but then a year later have the absolute gaul to say well, you have had the trinkets a whole year, we want to give them to some other indians.
Since the Christmas season began, I have truly tried to think upon SOE with a spirit of forgiveness. Not that I would play SWG again, but try to understand their side of it. They have no shame or remorse at all. What is worse than SOE and their apparent complete lack of shame or concience, is the other SWG players that howling take away what meager benefit the pre-NGE Jedi got and being freaking indignant about it. How selfish can they be.
Don't they get it, just being able to PLAY JEDI was what those trinkets bought. But they aren't happy with that. SOE and a good portion of the current player base makes me sick.
I thought perhaps SOE had learned their lesson. Its pretty obvious that they have not. They will betray you without a second thought.
OP - there is one critical thing you have forgotten. Somewhere on your SWG box or game manual or in the login or somewhere, there is a warning to the effect that: the game experience may change. They're telling you, in a nice, obscure, legalistic sort of way that the game you have today, the promises, the joys, the fun, all of it may not be there tomorrow, and worse they don't owe you any warning (it's nice to get, but they don't owe it to you). In case you missed that notice, the CU and especially the NGE are stellar, shining examples of the same thing. When it comes to MMOs, espeically MMOs run by the bastards at $OE, you better bring your lubricant, and I'm not talking about graphite powder. Just revel in the cold comfort that someday, somehow, the NGE-tards will be pwned in a similar manner.
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NGE free as of Nov. 22, 2005
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What part in you reply reffered to Julios lie about Obi Kenobis crystal will make Elders most powerfull Jedis ?
Me thought you were smart Obraik , but this one here was a cheap try to discredit ppls accomplishment to unlock Jedi pre-NGE. Compare your nuts with apples elsewhere but dont ever compare childish NGE with the true Pre CU Jedi !
And that quote was said well over a year ago back when the NGE was first released. Consider it an expansion, and just like with most expansions you get more powerful weapons available to attain to make them more worthwhile to get.
It's really Julio's claim that the elder jedi items will make the pre-nge jedi more powerful than any that come afterward that sets things up to go wrong. SOE could stick with this, and be true to their word, or they could violate this claim and give new jedi things that make them more powerful than elders. They apparently chose to violate this claim with the new crystal reward. If Julio's statement had never been made, new loot drops would be all well and good. The reality is, however, that he did make this statement apparently in an attempt to compensate elder jedi for all that they were losing, and that SOE has now apparently chosen not to honour what he said. In my view this is standard operating procedure for SOE, and a big part of the reason I've chosen not to reinvest in their products.
ARC3
This was bound to happen though. As far as games go, usually better more powerful items are lreased over time, other wise there is no point for the current players to strive for better equipment, because given enough time, everyone will have the best equipment if better equipment doesn't come out.
Lifted straight from the ESRB website
"Online Rating Notice- Online games that include user-generated content (e.g., chat, maps, skins) carry the notice "Game Experience May Change During Online Play" to warn consumers that content created by players of the game has not been rated by the ESRB. "
SWG refuge...avoid $OE like the plague...forum Nazis, GAWD.
What part in you reply reffered to Julios lie about Obi Kenobis crystal will make Elders most powerfull Jedis ?
Me thought you were smart Obraik , but this one here was a cheap try to discredit ppls accomplishment to unlock Jedi pre-NGE. Compare your nuts with apples elsewhere but dont ever compare childish NGE with the true Pre CU Jedi !
And that quote was said well over a year ago back when the NGE was first released. Consider it an expansion, and just like with most expansions you get more powerful weapons available to attain to make them more worthwhile to get.
It's really Julio's claim that the elder jedi items will make the pre-nge jedi more powerful than any that come afterward that sets things up to go wrong. SOE could stick with this, and be true to their word, or they could violate this claim and give new jedi things that make them more powerful than elders. They apparently chose to violate this claim with the new crystal reward. If Julio's statement had never been made, new loot drops would be all well and good. The reality is, however, that he did make this statement apparently in an attempt to compensate elder jedi for all that they were losing, and that SOE has now apparently chosen not to honour what he said. In my view this is standard operating procedure for SOE, and a big part of the reason I've chosen not to reinvest in their products.
ARC3
Julio doesn't say forever though, how do you know he's not talking about that particular period of the game?
Is there even an MMO out there where the weapon that was the best in the game is still the best weapon a year or two later into the game? How often do you see an expansion have a catch phrase of "gain the best weapon in the game" only then to be replaced 6 months with a new expansion which also has the "gain the best weapon in the game" line? Most weapons get replaced with better stated ones as new expansions/additions come out, no matter what the game. Even Jedi aren't immune to that
Obraik,
You have a point in under normal circumstances, new more powerful items are introduced all of the time. But in normal circumstances MMOs don't have Alpha classes that take a tremendous grind to obtain. In normal circumstances, MMOs don't screw over a class of players that incidentally required the longest grind, invalidate years worth of work. When Julio's words are interpreted in the context of what those people did, it obvious what he meant. Everyone understood the nature of what they are doing. If anyone denies it now, I have to suspect their motives.
If SOE tries to wiggle out of now, they are just liars inaddition to being people that can't be trusted with your gaming time.
What SOE did to the NGE was morally wrong. SOE knew it and therefore tried to compensate. Admittedly the compensation was an insult, but some player took them up on it. The deal SOE offered was, pre NGE Jedi, we have hosed you, but if you stay in recognition of what we took away, you get to be slightly more powerful than unearned Jedi. Now I think its a horrible deal and I can't believe any pre-nge Jedi would stay. But many did. If SOE has even a shred of integrity, they would honor the deal they offered. Just as if they had a shred of integrity, they would have originally honored their baragain they made with pre-Nge Jedi. But of course they don't.
They simply don't give a rats ass about their players. TIme and time again SOE has proven they cannot be trusted. They didn't learn a thing from the NGE.
i want jedi back 2 way it was i want game back 2 way it was melee should b king & ranged noobz get killed
soe one more time u lie 2 mah homies in swg & 2 teh vets i tired of dis U BRING BACK PRE-CU NOW
I've been playing since pre-9 and the game was so fun at first. I got my jedi the village way after 6 months of straight grinding. I often wonder why did I do all that it was all a big waste, wow we get blue glowy who gives a crap. I also have a 90 spy, 90 commando and i play them over my elder jedi because frankly it's not cool getting killed by some medic or commando because of craz y dots or crazy heals. I've tried to keep playing the game but I realize the only reason I'm around is no other great mmo's have come out, Yah I've tried wow and its ok and the end game instances are really fun but in galaxies there isnt much you can do in end game besides pvp, the dwb used to be the funnest dungeon but even thats ruined now people can solo it wtf is up with that. I remember when it took 2 full 20 man grps. This game is headed down and won't take long before people get tired of it IMO. One decent MMO to come out and I wont miss SWG anymore. Pirates of the Burning Sea looks nice maybe the wow expansion will be awesome time will tell. Swg is taking its final breaths IMO.
Ventar- Corbantis- 90 Spy
Ventar- Elder Jedi - Chilastra
-katie- 90 Commando - Chilastra
Oh and Obraik plz STFU
What part in you reply reffered to Julios lie about Obi Kenobis crystal will make Elders most powerfull Jedis ?
Me thought you were smart Obraik , but this one here was a cheap try to discredit ppls accomplishment to unlock Jedi pre-NGE. Compare your nuts with apples elsewhere but dont ever compare childish NGE with the true Pre CU Jedi !
And that quote was said well over a year ago back when the NGE was first released. Consider it an expansion, and just like with most expansions you get more powerful weapons available to attain to make them more worthwhile to get.
It's really Julio's claim that the elder jedi items will make the pre-nge jedi more powerful than any that come afterward that sets things up to go wrong. SOE could stick with this, and be true to their word, or they could violate this claim and give new jedi things that make them more powerful than elders. They apparently chose to violate this claim with the new crystal reward. If Julio's statement had never been made, new loot drops would be all well and good. The reality is, however, that he did make this statement apparently in an attempt to compensate elder jedi for all that they were losing, and that SOE has now apparently chosen not to honour what he said. In my view this is standard operating procedure for SOE, and a big part of the reason I've chosen not to reinvest in their products.
ARC3
Julio doesn't say forever though, how do you know he's not talking about that particular period of the game?
Is there even an MMO out there where the weapon that was the best in the game is still the best weapon a year or two later into the game? How often do you see an expansion have a catch phrase of "gain the best weapon in the game" only then to be replaced 6 months with a new expansion which also has the "gain the best weapon in the game" line? Most weapons get replaced with better stated ones as new expansions/additions come out, no matter what the game. Even Jedi aren't immune to that
In light of what you said here, I went back and read the quote from Julio in the original post. Here's what stands out to me, "Ultimately, these jedi specific items will make veteran jedi more powerful than any jedi who becomes such from the new jedi profession path." That's a clear statement, written in the future tense, indicating that the elder jedi items will set them apart and make them "more powerful" than "any jedi who becomes such from the new profession path." New loot items that make new jedi more powerful than elders clearly violate Julio's claim here, in my view.
If there's room for interpretation, I usually look to a person or company's history to get at their meaning, in the absence of being able to ask for clarification. When I look at the track record, here is what I see:
-SOE reps have said things like, "CH is only being removed for the short term." It's been over a year now and there are no indications that they will return this profession to the game.
-It seems clear that they misled people in the stratics chat about the Trials of Obi Wan when no one mentioned the imminent release of the NGE.
-They sold us new expansions with special loot items, only to have those items "disabled" by the NGE.
-They gave us veteran rewards (rewards to thank us for being loyal customers ironically) and then rendered those rewards useless with the NGE.
-They gave the CH profession the system they had been asking for, and then shortly thereafter removed the profession, along with the new system, from the game completely with the NGE.
So, I feel comfortable with my interpretation that something was promised to the Elder Jedi (loot items that would make them "more powerful" than any new jedi), and that a new loot drop of the most powerful saber crystal violates this claim. There really seems to be a legacy of this kind of behaviour in this game by this company. In my mind this is a real "buyer beware" flag. Some SOE reps may say that they've "learned their lesson" etc., but I see the same pattern of behaviour that is hurtful to the player community.
ArcAngel
P.S. If I saw a real change of policy and practice by SOE in this game, I would be one of the people to highlight that. I haven't seen anything to highlight in this regard just yet. I kept my eyes open for signs of positive change for months. Now, for the most part, I'm reinvested in other things. Things that don't leave me feeling jerked around.