Can anyone explain the fanboi mentality to me? The ones that see everyhting in apink fluff, cant take any discussion where people honestly discuss BOTH pros and cons of a game, but only accept the good sides. People that consider anyone that is not speaking in 100% positives a "hater", and start a fight in any post where people actually discuss things like like grownups in a beta, where people try to help a game improve and evolve, not just sit like a puppet repeating "Everything is fine, everything is fine, everything is fine..."
People liking the game and discussing it in a forum related to said game. I can understand why you have trouble understanding this concept! You don't strike me as a very smart guy TBH. There are plenty of people in these forums who like the game and are also aware of the fact that it DOES have issues (what MMO doesn't). Then there are guys like you, who are so pathetic, the only thing they can find to do with their time is hate on a videogame. Get lost troll!
Can anyone explain the fanboi mentality to me? The ones that see everyhting in apink fluff, cant take any discussion where people honestly discuss BOTH pros and cons of a game, but only accept the good sides. People that consider anyone that is not speaking in 100% positives a "hater", and start a fight in any post where people actually discuss things like like grownups in a beta, where people try to help a game improve and evolve, not just sit like a puppet repeating "Everything is fine, everything is fine, everything is fine..."
1) there are people who love the game as it is. they will devote time and energy talking it up. makes sense as it is something that they really like.
2) there are people who hate the game. they will devote time and energy disparaging it. imo, its a sad way to spend time but hey, to each their own.
3) there are ppl who want the game to succeed, but are disappointed in some way as to its current state, and offer reasonable and rational suggestions on how they feel improvements can be made.
4) there are ppl who say they are in category (3), but their tone and rhetoric shows that they are really in category (2).
again, your time is limited. you can spend it doing something you like, or b****ing about something you don't. if its the latter, well, good luck with that.
I must say, the only one here that seem to spend a lot of time being bothered and angry about things is you... But I guess with your hate towards a certain group of people, you are the right person to decide what people belong in which group. Have fun with that
Hmmm, where is this anger he is showing ???
I don't see it.
Oh and i love how i was immediately tagged as a fanboi for this post.
Fact of the matter is i just recently started playing VAN, i think it has some good potential but still has loads of issues to fix before release. I think there releasing this game 2 months to early.
But ya see, what got me was i came here to these forums because i respect alot of the gamers who come here and there opinions. But i would read these negative angry Hater posts and see so many made up or simply False remarks that it just became ludicrous.
So yeah i really am confused why there is this Hater gamer who spends more time lurking forums of games they hate then they do in the games they like.
There are people out there who thrive on chaos, who need to be disruptive and need others to feel this sort of disruption. I think this Hater mentality is centered around this, i can't possibly see any other reason. To be such a social outcast as to feel the need to just spread venomous comments day in and day out about a Video game, just goes to show the mindset these haters are.
Fanbois may be blind to the fact that they just like the game for any reason possible. Who cares?? Its there choice to like there particular game. Who are they hurting by talking positively about there game they like? Maybe a potential buyer and the game really is a dismal failure like say Dark and Light? Be that as it may then there will be negative posts about such games, and most gamers will see those and still be informed with or without the Fanboi.
Haters just Hate, they seem to relish in the misery of those who might have a differing view of there negative logic. Let there be a distinction though, there are those who will come and post a negative opinion about the game, and back it up with a few follow up replies. Then there are the haters who sit in a game forum for a game they cannot stand and will not support. Those type are in the forums for no reason other then to just vomit there bile upon anyone positive to the game.
I digress and i see myself repeating. I have yet to see anyone reply as to why the "Hater" mentality is a good thing. OR even try to explain why they feel the need to lurk forums day in and day out.
First, Vanguard is releasing January 30th. Not 2 months away.
Secondly no one has yet been able to explain why someone is considered a hater just because they come along and share their experiences. Do they not have just as much of a right as anyone else to voice their opinion? Rather than having an intelligent conversation about what they saw as problems with the game they are automatically labeled a hater. Isn't that like seeing someone on the street of a certain color and using any one of a number of racial epithets?
Rather than discussion the fans turn to name calling and flaming and trolling, but somehow that's ok? Like I said before (the thread really isnt that long) having multiple viewpoints allows for people, intelligent enough, to sift through and find out the truth for themselves. To sit there and label someone a hater and say that their viewpoints are just "vomiting bile" shows that hatred comes in many shades.
Sort of like you trying to make an argument out of symantics. You know damn well the difference between someone who "shares experiences" and the people who come here simply to denegrate and patronize people who like something that they don't.
Can anyone explain the fanboi mentality to me? The ones that see everyhting in apink fluff, cant take any discussion where people honestly discuss BOTH pros and cons of a game, but only accept the good sides. People that consider anyone that is not speaking in 100% positives a "hater", and start a fight in any post where people actually discuss things like like grownups in a beta, where people try to help a game improve and evolve, not just sit like a puppet repeating "Everything is fine, everything is fine, everything is fine..."
QFT.
I think there are two types of fanbois. One are just the kids who run from game to game thinking each game will give them a purpose in their life, I can spot two here on the Vanguard forums who were on the DnL forums exhibiting the exact same behavior. Swearing to high heave Farlan had a miracle patch just waiting any day and that I was the evil troll. Seems as if they gave up on Dark and Light and found a new MMO to fanboy for.
The other type of fanboy are actual employees of the game developer or publisher . Go over to the DnL forums if you have never visited there and check out the sticky titled "screens of a world I find amazing" I cannot swear on a bible that Blacksac was a Farlan employee but I would damn sure bet 20 bucks he/she was.
Fanboys are MMORPGs worst enemies. As long as the fanboys keep defending buggy laggy incomplete releases and paying money for them the companies will keep shoving them out. I think we can all name a half dozen games that should have never hit the shelf and I would wager each oner had it's fanboys waiting on that miracle patch.
Can anyone explain the fanboi mentality to me? The ones that see everyhting in apink fluff, cant take any discussion where people honestly discuss BOTH pros and cons of a game, but only accept the good sides. People that consider anyone that is not speaking in 100% positives a "hater", and start a fight in any post where people actually discuss things like like grownups in a beta, where people try to help a game improve and evolve, not just sit like a puppet repeating "Everything is fine, everything is fine, everything is fine..."
QFT.
I think there are two types of fanbois. One are just the kids who run from game to game thinking each game will give them a purpose in their life, I can spot two here on the Vanguard forums who were on the DnL forums exhibiting the exact same behavior. Swearing to high heave Farlan had a miracle patch just waiting any day and that I was the evil troll. Seems as if they gave up on Dark and Light and found a new MMO to fanboy for.
The other type of fanboy are actual employees of the game developer or publisher . Go over to the DnL forums if you have never visited there and check out the sticky titled "screens of a world I find amazing" I cannot swear on a bible that Blacksac was a Farlan employee but I would damn sure bet 20 bucks he/she was.
Fanboys are MMORPGs worst enemies. As long as the fanboys keep defending buggy laggy incomplete releases and paying money for them the companies will keep shoving them out. I think we can all name a half dozen games that should have never hit the shelf and I would wager each oner had it's fanboys waiting on that miracle patch.
QFBS.
No surprise we are hearing from hands down THE biggest hater here. Im not claiming to be a fanboy but I dont see how someone who likes the game can hurt it. I suppose you're doing it a big favour? /sarcasm off. You're an enormous troll, you spend your time here putting the game and people who like it down. You're not constructive in any way. You're just a hateful person with nothing better to do. Please go away! You'd be doing yourself, us and more importantly Vanguard a favour.
Cheers in advance!
PS : Please name an MMO that was perfect or anywhere close at release. Can't? Didn't think so!
Critical evaluation of a game doesn't make someone a hater. That seems a little silly to me.
Why do some MMORPG vets bother to take time to post highly critical thoughts on titles like this? I don't presume to speak for everyone, but I don't think I'm completely atypical. I'm sick of MMORPG developers making the same mistakes over and over again, wasting money and man hours on completely substandard games. I'm sick of games with potential being ruined by being rushed to market way too early. Having wasted enough of my own money on dud titles, I also feel that it's valuable for potential buyers to hear accurate criticisms along with the posts of those who love the game.
I'm more likely to take my time commenting on a game like Vanguard, because it gets some things right and shows a lot of potential, but then goes on to completely blow it with other substandard elements and a rushed release schedule.
For some people, the concerns I raise will be low in importance based on their personal criteria and may enjoy the game in spite of the things I find extremely annoying. Others will consider my criticisms important, because they are things that when done wrong in a game, also annoy them to the point that they just can't enjoy the title. I think those people deserve the heads up and the opportunity to save some hard earned cash.
Ideally, I would hope the developers might come to recognize what many of us see as serious flaws and do something about it, or that maybe developers of other titles, seeing that a large segment of the community just won't stand for certain obvious flaws in such a game might try harder to not make those mistakes in their own titles.
Once you have been a dedicated fan of MMORPGs for a long enough time, it's easy to get frustrated with developers who almost get it right, but fail to advance the genre because of some very serious flaws or rushed delivery. You just want to shake these devs (and publishers) and say "Why?!?!?"
You are 100% correct but thats not what hating is. There is a huge difference. We need critical evaluation in order for the game to improve. We DON'T need people to whine on an on about the things that WoW has that Vanguard doesn't have and how "Vanguard" "sucks" without providing any qualification as to why.
QFBS. No surprise we are hearing from hands down THE biggest hater here. Im not claiming to be a fanboy but I dont see how someone who likes the game can hurt it. I suppose you're doing it a big favour? /sarcasm off. You're an enormous troll, you spend your time here putting the game and people who like it down. You're not constructive in any way. You're just a hateful person with nothing better to do. Please go away! You'd be doing yourself, us and more importantly Vanguard a favour. Cheers in advance! PS : Please name an MMO that was perfect or anywhere close at release. Can't? Didn't think so!
Sharkey point out one post ( link please) where I specifically put down any poster who enjoys the game. On the other hand you cannot seem to make a post without a personal attack on those of us who disagree with you. I made my constructive posts on the beta forums although here I did make some suggestions to simplify the soul bound items and the con system to reduce server lag and learning curve. This is not what these forums are for though, they are to discuss the state of the games both good and bad and offer opinions and discussion.
As far as the perfect MMO release these things are shades of gray. None have been flawless but there are those which were smoother than others. There are releases such as DAoC, WoW, EQII and then there are ones such as Dark and Light, Shadow Bane and Horizons. I think Vanguards open beta release is more toward the lowend of the scale, although not nearly as bad Dark and Light but more along the lines of Horizons.
Can one of you obsessive forum haters explain to me the overwhelming need to get players who like this or another particular game to agree with your hate towards said game ?
I just do not understand why its so damned important to get the guys who like this game to Hate it like you.
I see countless numbers of haters on this and other forums just bashing anyone who tries to even point out good things about VAN. Then there are the endless comparisons to other current games and how one aspect of VAN is lacking compared to one game and another aspect of VAN is lacking compared to another game.
So please, make me understand why its so important to lurk on these forums and spew venom towards the ones who like this game ? I mean if say your a WoW fan and that game to you is the greatest thing since sliced bread, why are you here telling us how great it is ?? Why arent you in WoW playing ?
Regardless, i am just confused, i think most of the haters are here just to spew there venom cause there disgruntled people in RL and feel the need to make others unhappy. Its a game, and yes others will have differing views on a game then you, i am not asking anyone to like this game who are here, and i sure as hell am not going to another games forum telling them how much there game sucks and how VAN is that much better. I just want to be left in peace, with my fellow VAN players who also share the same views of this game.
Hmm, I don't consider myself a "hater" but I'll try to answer you question. The reason many people feel the need to post their dissatisfaction with Vanguard is because the company hyped it so much the gamers had very very high expectations. When it becomes obvious that these expectations are not going to be met with release only a few weeks away, the "haters" feel like they've been lied to. The game simply isn't what it was hyped to be.
Now, you have to understand that this is a public forum where people can voice their opinions, good or bad. It's unrealistic to think that you will come here and only see posts about how great the game is. However, you have the power to not click on posts that you don't agree with or don't like. Simply ignore them if it bothers you that much.
Finally, by putting labels on people such as "fanboi" or "hater", you are adding to the problem. You are spewing your own brand of venom by making baseless assumptions on other player's personal lives. Eventually posts that start off like that degenerate into flame fests and are little more than a waste of bandwidth.
QFBS. No surprise we are hearing from hands down THE biggest hater here. Im not claiming to be a fanboy but I dont see how someone who likes the game can hurt it. I suppose you're doing it a big favour? /sarcasm off. You're an enormous troll, you spend your time here putting the game and people who like it down. You're not constructive in any way. You're just a hateful person with nothing better to do. Please go away! You'd be doing yourself, us and more importantly Vanguard a favour. Cheers in advance! PS : Please name an MMO that was perfect or anywhere close at release. Can't? Didn't think so!
Sharkey point out one post ( link please) where I specifically put down any poster who enjoys the game. On the other hand you cannot seem to make a post without a personal attack on those of us who disagree with you. I made my constructive posts on the beta forums although here I did make some suggestions to simplify the soul bound items and the con system to reduce server lag and learning curve. This is not what these forums are for though, they are to discuss the state of the games both good and bad and offer opinions and discussion.
As far as the perfect MMO release these things are shades of gray. None have been flawless but there are those which were smoother than others. There are releases such as DAoC, WoW, EQII and then there are ones such as Dark and Light, Shadow Bane and Horizons. I think Vanguards open beta release is more toward the lowend of the scale, although not nearly as bad Dark and Light but more along the lines of Horizons.
You imply people who like aspects of MMO gaming you don't like are somehow inferior, I've seen you do it more than once. You tried to hijack one of my threads with that rhetoric. I'm not going to go dig up posts. You NEVER have anything positive or constructive to say and if you think EQ2 was even remotely OK when it was released, you never played it or you are in denial (I was in the beta and played it up until last week). It was a mess on release, a big mess! I can't speak for WoW because I played it for about a week and realised it wasn't for me.
I think maybe you're taking it just a little bit personally. People can have an opinion different to your own and express it without their feeling any need for you to agree with them. These are public forums and I for one, want to hear the good and the bad about mmos when I come here. The opinions of posters help inform the choices I make about what games I try. You'd probably call me a hater - I think Vanguard has a lot going for it and I'd like to play the game described in Vanguard's official FAQ. But having tried it and knowing that the official launch date is imminent, I'm not encouraged by what I've seen. I might come back in six months and see how it's going.
FAQ Notes:
Please remember that massively multiplayer games are living entities, constantly changing and evolving. Vanguard: Saga of Heroes is currently both pre-release and pre-beta testing. The information in this FAQ reflects current thinking and planning but is also subject to change and modification. We will always do our best to manage expectations and note when something is fairly set in stone, or speculative, or somewhere in-between. That said, we will undoubtedly make some changes and adjustments, especially during beta when many of our more ambitious ideas can be played out and tested. We will, however, endeavor especially to accurately count the number of continents.
You may notice that we don't talk in detail about certain subjects or that certain answers seem a bit vague. Generally, those subjects and answers are just not ready for detailed discussion or answers. We look forward to being able add more detail and clarify some answers as we updated the FAQ.
Speaking of updates, we will alert you to new material or changes in the FAQ according to a color code. That way you won't have to pour through the entire FAQ just to see what we're up to.
Wahh wahh wahh , i bought a puter 3 years ago and i don't get 100000000000000 fps but i do in wow , thats 99% of it.
I think that this is definitely one of the big factors as to why there is so much bashing going on. It's really too bad for these people, they'll realise soon enough as the year progresses that it won't just be Vanguard they wont be playing
Wahh wahh wahh , i bought a puter 3 years ago and i don't get 100000000000000 fps but i do in wow , thats 99% of it.
I think that this is definitely one of the big factors as to why there is so much bashing going on. It's really too bad for these people, they'll realise soon enough as the year progresses that it won't just be Vanguard they wont be playing
I think that this is definitely one of the big factors as to why there is so much bashing going on. It's really too bad for these companies, they'll realise soon enough as the year progresses that it won't just be Vanguard that people won't be playing.
QFBS. No surprise we are hearing from hands down THE biggest hater here. Im not claiming to be a fanboy but I dont see how someone who likes the game can hurt it. I suppose you're doing it a big favour? /sarcasm off. You're an enormous troll, you spend your time here putting the game and people who like it down. You're not constructive in any way. You're just a hateful person with nothing better to do. Please go away! You'd be doing yourself, us and more importantly Vanguard a favour. Cheers in advance! PS : Please name an MMO that was perfect or anywhere close at release. Can't? Didn't think so!
Sharkey point out one post ( link please) where I specifically put down any poster who enjoys the game. On the other hand you cannot seem to make a post without a personal attack on those of us who disagree with you. I made my constructive posts on the beta forums although here I did make some suggestions to simplify the soul bound items and the con system to reduce server lag and learning curve. This is not what these forums are for though, they are to discuss the state of the games both good and bad and offer opinions and discussion.
As far as the perfect MMO release these things are shades of gray. None have been flawless but there are those which were smoother than others. There are releases such as DAoC, WoW, EQII and then there are ones such as Dark and Light, Shadow Bane and Horizons. I think Vanguards open beta release is more toward the lowend of the scale, although not nearly as bad Dark and Light but more along the lines of Horizons.
You imply people who like aspects of MMO gaming you don't like are somehow inferior, I've seen you do it more than once. You tried to hijack one of my threads with that rhetoric. I'm not going to go dig up posts. You NEVER have anything positive or constructive to say and if you think EQ2 was even remotely OK when it was released, you never played it or you are in denial (I was in the beta and played it up until last week). It was a mess on release, a big mess! I can't speak for WoW because I played it for about a week and realised it wasn't for me.
Horizons was just a bad game ....
I betaed EQII also Sharkey, won the key in contest on this site as a matter of fact. Subcribed pretty much ever since since release, otehr than a couple of burn out periods. The biggest technical issue it had at release was dissapearing ( invisiable) mobs in some instnaces. The big changes after release were to make the game nmore WoW like and solo friendly.
I would accept any label you want to throw at me. However, I rather see myself as a "game-lover", not a "hater".
Vanguard just happen to need this help and the devs are deaf, so I will repeat, as often as needed or until they waste themselves by not listening to basic comon sense.
Raid-free servers must happen, by release! Without them, I won't assist to Vanguard downfall or start hating the game, so I won't be playing.* A real hater would build a guild in order to screw as many peoples as he can and spread the hate; and they are. My agenda isn't hate, it is a kick-ass game. If I have to show them that I hate any raid-oriented staff or player, so be it even if half are sweety they usually appreciate my efforts and support me in a form or another, so really I am hurting haters alone, but the greater goal is always a kick-ass game, with freedom from raiding, not hurting anyone, not even haters!
*: I would join with a later addition of these servers, but...changing the rules post-release isn't a good idea, and raiders will consider you change the rules...so, it would be a mitigated benefit instead of been a raw benefit.
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
Wahh wahh wahh , i bought a puter 3 years ago and i don't get 100000000000000 fps but i do in wow , thats 99% of it.
This is a great example of the Vanboi trolls. Most people who play the game have performance issues. Instead of admitting this, Vanbois just call everyone who doesn't have a brand new system, a crybaby.
real mature guys. The Vanbois are just as immature as the haters
People will have their opinions about Vanguard, so what. You can't control what others think of Vanguard so let it go. Bro, enjoy your game (Vanguard) and stop trying to control other differing opinions. Then you'll have peace and you'll not be confused anymore because what others think of what you enjoy won't matter because you enjoy it, thats all that matters.
Spiritglow
P.S. I enjoy Guild Wars in part because there's no raiding in the game. What is to me that you may hate Guild Wars the game. I enjoy it that's what matters.
I think maybe you're taking it just a little bit personally. People can have an opinion different to your own and express it without their feeling any need for you to agree with them. These are public forums and I for one, want to hear the good and the bad about mmos when I come here. The opinions of posters help inform the choices I make about what games I try. You'd probably call me a hater - I think Vanguard has a lot going for it and I'd like to play the game described in Vanguard's official FAQ. But having tried it and knowing that the official launch date is imminent, I'm not encouraged by what I've seen. I might come back in six months and see how it's going.
Sorry but onthis one your just wrong green13. It's one thing to express ones opionion and even engage in a friendly debate, but a totally different beast to try and force your views on others and if you dont take the views then your beaten with words such as fanboy, fanbois, or the ever popular vanboy just to name a few.
I think the OP has a valid and to the point question, but I know it will never be answered, because it doesn't server the needs of the people who dislike this game. Do what I did OP, leave it alone, post your thoughs and feelings and go have fun in a great game. Hate is contageous and if you allow all these haters to get to you, then you too will eventually start hating.
Sorry but onthis one your just wrong green13. It's one thing to express ones opionion and even engage in a friendly debate, but a totally different beast to try and force your views on others and if you dont take the views then your beaten with words such as fanboy, fanbois, or the ever popular vanboy just to name a few.
You just describe The Vision(tm), not any user here. Nobody can enforce his views on Brad. As to calling you a Vanboi, I don't need to, you self proclaim yourself such.
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
The problem I have is the haters act like the vanguard devs, ran over and stabbed their mother laughed, and then ran off, and they are on a crusade for vengeance.
Sure i've hated games before and have said it in their forums, but after i say my opinion and stuff about the game (as long as im still playing it) I don't keep going to that forum to constantly spread my malice.
The haters of this game are quite annoying, the vanguard players know the problems, we play the game. I'm personally having fun, and i have the game pre-ordered.
I'll still be the first to say. The game is not ready to be released(i have said it before). The game does have performance problems. The animations totally blow, the quests are somewhat lacking in areas, markers arent always easy to follow(either wrong way or dissapear). And some towns design feels almost random and sort of annoying to find things(especially quests). And other such things.
We all know that. You aren't revealing some secrets to us that we didn't know before you said that.
The problem i have and probably the op has too, is that some people are on a crusade to spread malice on the game. They scour posts to find something positive, and destroy it.(you know who you are, I don't want to start a fight here)
like "boy the devs sure are patching everything nicely, and a lot of progress is being made!" - "Too bad they didn't do it through all the phases of beta! Thats why they are rushing now"-becomes the new topic of the post because they feel the need to argue
or "wow the half elf starting area is really well designed and feels unique!" - "too bad the other races are all generic"-becomes the new topic of the post because they feel the need to argue
or even "i like the graphics of this game!" - "<inserts random pictures from other games, some of which are renders or are clearly photoshopped in regards to other photos of the game>"-the new topic is "why does vanguards graphics suck"
-every-single-topic- by the -exact-same-people-
It's annoying, your not proving anything, your not paying anything for the game yet, and we all already know your opinions.
Let me go over to the eve forum and spam every single post with hate on the game, for every other response, and see how the very same bashers here will be like "stop flaming the game we are trying to talk about it"
Theres a huge difference to coming here to discuss issues or problems with the game, and to spout off hate to other players, to get other people to hate it as much as you do, or even to get people who havent played it, to hate it before they even try it.
I'm no fanboy, the game does have alot of problems, a lot of big problems, and a lot of smaller problems. I think that theres plenty of reasons for the game to be pushed back months. and tons of reasons why people should or should not buy the game at release. Because i'm normal. I don't have a agenda behind my posts to persuade people to liking or hating the game. And i find it quite funny that a lot of the haters of this game try to hold a air of superiority, or maturity to their posts, some claiming to be long time mmorpg players, some back from 10 years ago.
But they behave in a completely different manner, no mature, intelligent person, would spend hours and hours of their time going to a forum of a game THEY HATE, to just bash the game, flame it, and try to make people hate it as much as they do.
The same reason people who loathe reading, don't walk into a book store, to just diss people for reading. Or people go to a golf course, and walk up to someone playing and start listing off reasons why golf is boring. Sure if they were talking to someone, and they ask, hey want to borrow a book i'm reading, then its a opportune time to complain, or go read the book, and then tell your friend, hey this book sucks. Instead of going to a forum for the author and complaining for weeks/months about why they hated the book. Same for golf.
It's just irrational immature behaviour. I'm no pinnacle of matureness(as some of my posts will let on), but even this silly, immature person knows when he sees and smells bullshit.
We all know that. You aren't revealing some secrets to us that we didn't know before you said that.
I'll make the point again - a tad egocentric don't you think? These are not fanboi only forums. Other people read them too, eg. people who are considering buying and playing the game. Unless Sony have made a deal with mmorpg.com such that only positive remarks about the game are allowed here (let's call it advertising) I think you just need to learn that people can have opinions different to your own and are free to express them.
I wouldn't go over to the Vanguard official forums and post anything negative - I would consider that inappropriate. But forums like mmorpg.com are valuable consumer tools and are so precisely because readers have access to a range of experiences of the products, both positive and negative.
The problem I have is the haters act like the vanguard devs, ran over and stabbed their mother laughed, and then ran off, and they are on a crusade for vengeance.
Sure i've hated games before and have said it in their forums, but after i say my opinion and stuff about the game (as long as im still playing it) I don't keep going to that forum to constantly spread my malice.
The haters of this game are quite annoying, the vanguard players know the problems, we play the game. I'm personally having fun, and i have the game pre-ordered.
I'll still be the first to say. The game is not ready to be released(i have said it before). The game does have performance problems. The animations totally blow, the quests are somewhat lacking in areas, markers arent always easy to follow(either wrong way or dissapear). And some towns design feels almost random and sort of annoying to find things(especially quests). And other such things.
We all know that. You aren't revealing some secrets to us that we didn't know before you said that.
The problem i have and probably the op has too, is that some people are on a crusade to spread malice on the game. They scour posts to find something positive, and destroy it.(you know who you are, I don't want to start a fight here)
like "boy the devs sure are patching everything nicely, and a lot of progress is being made!" - "Too bad they didn't do it through all the phases of beta! Thats why they are rushing now"-becomes the new topic of the post because they feel the need to argue
or "wow the half elf starting area is really well designed and feels unique!" - "too bad the other races are all generic"-becomes the new topic of the post because they feel the need to argue
or even "i like the graphics of this game!" - "<inserts random pictures from other games, some of which are renders or are clearly photoshopped in regards to other photos of the game>"-the new topic is "why does vanguards graphics suck"
-every-single-topic- by the -exact-same-people-
It's annoying, your not proving anything, your not paying anything for the game yet, and we all already know your opinions.
Let me go over to the eve forum and spam every single post with hate on the game, for every other response, and see how the very same bashers here will be like "stop flaming the game we are trying to talk about it"
Theres a huge difference to coming here to discuss issues or problems with the game, and to spout off hate to other players, to get other people to hate it as much as you do, or even to get people who havent played it, to hate it before they even try it.
I'm no fanboy, the game does have alot of problems, a lot of big problems, and a lot of smaller problems. I think that theres plenty of reasons for the game to be pushed back months. and tons of reasons why people should or should not buy the game at release. Because i'm normal. I don't have a agenda behind my posts to persuade people to liking or hating the game. And i find it quite funny that a lot of the haters of this game try to hold a air of superiority, or maturity to their posts, some claiming to be long time mmorpg players, some back from 10 years ago.
But they behave in a completely different manner, no mature, intelligent person, would spend hours and hours of their time going to a forum of a game THEY HATE, to just bash the game, flame it, and try to make people hate it as much as they do.
The same reason people who loathe reading, don't walk into a book store, to just diss people for reading. Or people go to a golf course, and walk up to someone playing and start listing off reasons why golf is boring. Sure if they were talking to someone, and they ask, hey want to borrow a book i'm reading, then its a opportune time to complain, or go read the book, and then tell your friend, hey this book sucks. Instead of going to a forum for the author and complaining for weeks/months about why they hated the book. Same for golf.
It's just irrational immature behaviour. I'm no pinnacle of matureness(as some of my posts will let on), but even this silly, immature person knows when he sees and smells bullshit.
MMORPGs are the only product on earth where not only will people buy a half finished buggy poorly performing piece of software but then defend it to it's death on forums. Every time I think of fanboy I get a mental picture of the old movie animal house and the frat boys beating some guys bare ass with a paddle that looked like it came out of a canoe. After every swing the poor plebe had to say "thank you sir, may I have another" Well here is another half assed MMORPG that is all hype and no delivery for you fan boys.
I just thank god that MMORPG.com has not sold out to the man and we can state our honest opinions here, and is not a free advertising site for companies like Farlan and SOE and their shill posts.
Honestly, I haven't seen much hate for this game. People have said it wasn't a good game, and they always list reasons. Perhaps, the people who feel offended by this need to re-evaluate the word "hater".
Honestly, I haven't seen much hate for this game. People have said it wasn't a good game, and they always list reasons. Perhaps, the people who feel offended by this need to re-evaluate the word "hater".
calling a game mediocre will get you labeled as a hater by the shills and fan boys so be careful
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People liking the game and discussing it in a forum related to said game. I can understand why you have trouble understanding this concept! You don't strike me as a very smart guy TBH. There are plenty of people in these forums who like the game and are also aware of the fact that it DOES have issues (what MMO doesn't). Then there are guys like you, who are so pathetic, the only thing they can find to do with their time is hate on a videogame. Get lost troll!
2) there are people who hate the game. they will devote time and energy disparaging it. imo, its a sad way to spend time but hey, to each their own.
3) there are ppl who want the game to succeed, but are disappointed in some way as to its current state, and offer reasonable and rational suggestions on how they feel improvements can be made.
4) there are ppl who say they are in category (3), but their tone and rhetoric shows that they are really in category (2).
again, your time is limited. you can spend it doing something you like, or b****ing about something you don't. if its the latter, well, good luck with that.
I must say, the only one here that seem to spend a lot of time being bothered and angry about things is you... But I guess with your hate towards a certain group of people, you are the right person to decide what people belong in which group. Have fun with that
Hmmm, where is this anger he is showing ???I don't see it.
Oh and i love how i was immediately tagged as a fanboi for this post.
Fact of the matter is i just recently started playing VAN, i think it has some good potential but still has loads of issues to fix before release. I think there releasing this game 2 months to early.
But ya see, what got me was i came here to these forums because i respect alot of the gamers who come here and there opinions. But i would read these negative angry Hater posts and see so many made up or simply False remarks that it just became ludicrous.
So yeah i really am confused why there is this Hater gamer who spends more time lurking forums of games they hate then they do in the games they like.
There are people out there who thrive on chaos, who need to be disruptive and need others to feel this sort of disruption. I think this Hater mentality is centered around this, i can't possibly see any other reason. To be such a social outcast as to feel the need to just spread venomous comments day in and day out about a Video game, just goes to show the mindset these haters are.
Fanbois may be blind to the fact that they just like the game for any reason possible. Who cares?? Its there choice to like there particular game. Who are they hurting by talking positively about there game they like? Maybe a potential buyer and the game really is a dismal failure like say Dark and Light? Be that as it may then there will be negative posts about such games, and most gamers will see those and still be informed with or without the Fanboi.
Haters just Hate, they seem to relish in the misery of those who might have a differing view of there negative logic. Let there be a distinction though, there are those who will come and post a negative opinion about the game, and back it up with a few follow up replies. Then there are the haters who sit in a game forum for a game they cannot stand and will not support. Those type are in the forums for no reason other then to just vomit there bile upon anyone positive to the game.
I digress and i see myself repeating. I have yet to see anyone reply as to why the "Hater" mentality is a good thing. OR even try to explain why they feel the need to lurk forums day in and day out.
First, Vanguard is releasing January 30th. Not 2 months away.
Secondly no one has yet been able to explain why someone is considered a hater just because they come along and share their experiences. Do they not have just as much of a right as anyone else to voice their opinion? Rather than having an intelligent conversation about what they saw as problems with the game they are automatically labeled a hater. Isn't that like seeing someone on the street of a certain color and using any one of a number of racial epithets?
Rather than discussion the fans turn to name calling and flaming and trolling, but somehow that's ok? Like I said before (the thread really isnt that long) having multiple viewpoints allows for people, intelligent enough, to sift through and find out the truth for themselves. To sit there and label someone a hater and say that their viewpoints are just "vomiting bile" shows that hatred comes in many shades.
Sort of like you trying to make an argument out of symantics. You know damn well the difference between someone who "shares experiences" and the people who come here simply to denegrate and patronize people who like something that they don't.
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QFT.
I think there are two types of fanbois. One are just the kids who run from game to game thinking each game will give them a purpose in their life, I can spot two here on the Vanguard forums who were on the DnL forums exhibiting the exact same behavior. Swearing to high heave Farlan had a miracle patch just waiting any day and that I was the evil troll. Seems as if they gave up on Dark and Light and found a new MMO to fanboy for.
The other type of fanboy are actual employees of the game developer or publisher . Go over to the DnL forums if you have never visited there and check out the sticky titled "screens of a world I find amazing" I cannot swear on a bible that Blacksac was a Farlan employee but I would damn sure bet 20 bucks he/she was.
Fanboys are MMORPGs worst enemies. As long as the fanboys keep defending buggy laggy incomplete releases and paying money for them the companies will keep shoving them out. I think we can all name a half dozen games that should have never hit the shelf and I would wager each oner had it's fanboys waiting on that miracle patch.
I miss DAoC
QFT.
I think there are two types of fanbois. One are just the kids who run from game to game thinking each game will give them a purpose in their life, I can spot two here on the Vanguard forums who were on the DnL forums exhibiting the exact same behavior. Swearing to high heave Farlan had a miracle patch just waiting any day and that I was the evil troll. Seems as if they gave up on Dark and Light and found a new MMO to fanboy for.
The other type of fanboy are actual employees of the game developer or publisher . Go over to the DnL forums if you have never visited there and check out the sticky titled "screens of a world I find amazing" I cannot swear on a bible that Blacksac was a Farlan employee but I would damn sure bet 20 bucks he/she was.
Fanboys are MMORPGs worst enemies. As long as the fanboys keep defending buggy laggy incomplete releases and paying money for them the companies will keep shoving them out. I think we can all name a half dozen games that should have never hit the shelf and I would wager each oner had it's fanboys waiting on that miracle patch.
QFBS.
No surprise we are hearing from hands down THE biggest hater here. Im not claiming to be a fanboy but I dont see how someone who likes the game can hurt it. I suppose you're doing it a big favour? /sarcasm off. You're an enormous troll, you spend your time here putting the game and people who like it down. You're not constructive in any way. You're just a hateful person with nothing better to do. Please go away! You'd be doing yourself, us and more importantly Vanguard a favour.
Cheers in advance!
PS : Please name an MMO that was perfect or anywhere close at release. Can't? Didn't think so!
Sharkey point out one post ( link please) where I specifically put down any poster who enjoys the game. On the other hand you cannot seem to make a post without a personal attack on those of us who disagree with you. I made my constructive posts on the beta forums although here I did make some suggestions to simplify the soul bound items and the con system to reduce server lag and learning curve. This is not what these forums are for though, they are to discuss the state of the games both good and bad and offer opinions and discussion.
As far as the perfect MMO release these things are shades of gray. None have been flawless but there are those which were smoother than others. There are releases such as DAoC, WoW, EQII and then there are ones such as Dark and Light, Shadow Bane and Horizons. I think Vanguards open beta release is more toward the lowend of the scale, although not nearly as bad Dark and Light but more along the lines of Horizons.
I miss DAoC
Hmm, I don't consider myself a "hater" but I'll try to answer you question. The reason many people feel the need to post their dissatisfaction with Vanguard is because the company hyped it so much the gamers had very very high expectations. When it becomes obvious that these expectations are not going to be met with release only a few weeks away, the "haters" feel like they've been lied to. The game simply isn't what it was hyped to be.
Now, you have to understand that this is a public forum where people can voice their opinions, good or bad. It's unrealistic to think that you will come here and only see posts about how great the game is. However, you have the power to not click on posts that you don't agree with or don't like. Simply ignore them if it bothers you that much.
Finally, by putting labels on people such as "fanboi" or "hater", you are adding to the problem. You are spewing your own brand of venom by making baseless assumptions on other player's personal lives. Eventually posts that start off like that degenerate into flame fests and are little more than a waste of bandwidth.
Sharkey point out one post ( link please) where I specifically put down any poster who enjoys the game. On the other hand you cannot seem to make a post without a personal attack on those of us who disagree with you. I made my constructive posts on the beta forums although here I did make some suggestions to simplify the soul bound items and the con system to reduce server lag and learning curve. This is not what these forums are for though, they are to discuss the state of the games both good and bad and offer opinions and discussion.
As far as the perfect MMO release these things are shades of gray. None have been flawless but there are those which were smoother than others. There are releases such as DAoC, WoW, EQII and then there are ones such as Dark and Light, Shadow Bane and Horizons. I think Vanguards open beta release is more toward the lowend of the scale, although not nearly as bad Dark and Light but more along the lines of Horizons.
You imply people who like aspects of MMO gaming you don't like are somehow inferior, I've seen you do it more than once. You tried to hijack one of my threads with that rhetoric. I'm not going to go dig up posts. You NEVER have anything positive or constructive to say and if you think EQ2 was even remotely OK when it was released, you never played it or you are in denial (I was in the beta and played it up until last week). It was a mess on release, a big mess! I can't speak for WoW because I played it for about a week and realised it wasn't for me.
Horizons was just a bad game ....
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I think that this is definitely one of the big factors as to why there is so much bashing going on. It's really too bad for these people, they'll realise soon enough as the year progresses that it won't just be Vanguard they wont be playing
I think that this is definitely one of the big factors as to why there is so much bashing going on. It's really too bad for these people, they'll realise soon enough as the year progresses that it won't just be Vanguard they wont be playing
I think that this is definitely one of the big factors as to why there is so much bashing going on. It's really too bad for these companies, they'll realise soon enough as the year progresses that it won't just be Vanguard that people won't be playing.
Sharkey point out one post ( link please) where I specifically put down any poster who enjoys the game. On the other hand you cannot seem to make a post without a personal attack on those of us who disagree with you. I made my constructive posts on the beta forums although here I did make some suggestions to simplify the soul bound items and the con system to reduce server lag and learning curve. This is not what these forums are for though, they are to discuss the state of the games both good and bad and offer opinions and discussion.
As far as the perfect MMO release these things are shades of gray. None have been flawless but there are those which were smoother than others. There are releases such as DAoC, WoW, EQII and then there are ones such as Dark and Light, Shadow Bane and Horizons. I think Vanguards open beta release is more toward the lowend of the scale, although not nearly as bad Dark and Light but more along the lines of Horizons.
You imply people who like aspects of MMO gaming you don't like are somehow inferior, I've seen you do it more than once. You tried to hijack one of my threads with that rhetoric. I'm not going to go dig up posts. You NEVER have anything positive or constructive to say and if you think EQ2 was even remotely OK when it was released, you never played it or you are in denial (I was in the beta and played it up until last week). It was a mess on release, a big mess! I can't speak for WoW because I played it for about a week and realised it wasn't for me.
Horizons was just a bad game ....
I betaed EQII also Sharkey, won the key in contest on this site as a matter of fact. Subcribed pretty much ever since since release, otehr than a couple of burn out periods. The biggest technical issue it had at release was dissapearing ( invisiable) mobs in some instnaces. The big changes after release were to make the game nmore WoW like and solo friendly.
I miss DAoC
I would accept any label you want to throw at me. However, I rather see myself as a "game-lover", not a "hater".
Vanguard just happen to need this help and the devs are deaf, so I will repeat, as often as needed or until they waste themselves by not listening to basic comon sense.
Raid-free servers must happen, by release! Without them, I won't assist to Vanguard downfall or start hating the game, so I won't be playing.* A real hater would build a guild in order to screw as many peoples as he can and spread the hate; and they are. My agenda isn't hate, it is a kick-ass game. If I have to show them that I hate any raid-oriented staff or player, so be it even if half are sweety they usually appreciate my efforts and support me in a form or another, so really I am hurting haters alone, but the greater goal is always a kick-ass game, with freedom from raiding, not hurting anyone, not even haters!
*: I would join with a later addition of these servers, but...changing the rules post-release isn't a good idea, and raiders will consider you change the rules...so, it would be a mitigated benefit instead of been a raw benefit.
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
This is a great example of the Vanboi trolls. Most people who play the game have performance issues. Instead of admitting this, Vanbois just call everyone who doesn't have a brand new system, a crybaby.
real mature guys. The Vanbois are just as immature as the haters
next theory
I miss DAoC
Spiritglow
P.S. I enjoy Guild Wars in part because there's no raiding in the game. What is to me that you may hate Guild Wars the game. I enjoy it that's what matters.
Sorry but onthis one your just wrong green13. It's one thing to express ones opionion and even engage in a friendly debate, but a totally different beast to try and force your views on others and if you dont take the views then your beaten with words such as fanboy, fanbois, or the ever popular vanboy just to name a few.
I think the OP has a valid and to the point question, but I know it will never be answered, because it doesn't server the needs of the people who dislike this game. Do what I did OP, leave it alone, post your thoughs and feelings and go have fun in a great game. Hate is contageous and if you allow all these haters to get to you, then you too will eventually start hating.
- "If I understand you well, you are telling me until next time. " - Ren
The problem I have is the haters act like the vanguard devs, ran over and stabbed their mother laughed, and then ran off, and they are on a crusade for vengeance.
Sure i've hated games before and have said it in their forums, but after i say my opinion and stuff about the game (as long as im still playing it) I don't keep going to that forum to constantly spread my malice.
The haters of this game are quite annoying, the vanguard players know the problems, we play the game. I'm personally having fun, and i have the game pre-ordered.
I'll still be the first to say. The game is not ready to be released(i have said it before). The game does have performance problems. The animations totally blow, the quests are somewhat lacking in areas, markers arent always easy to follow(either wrong way or dissapear). And some towns design feels almost random and sort of annoying to find things(especially quests). And other such things.
We all know that. You aren't revealing some secrets to us that we didn't know before you said that.
The problem i have and probably the op has too, is that some people are on a crusade to spread malice on the game. They scour posts to find something positive, and destroy it.(you know who you are, I don't want to start a fight here)
like "boy the devs sure are patching everything nicely, and a lot of progress is being made!" - "Too bad they didn't do it through all the phases of beta! Thats why they are rushing now"-becomes the new topic of the post because they feel the need to argue
or "wow the half elf starting area is really well designed and feels unique!" - "too bad the other races are all generic"-becomes the new topic of the post because they feel the need to argue
or even "i like the graphics of this game!" - "<inserts random pictures from other games, some of which are renders or are clearly photoshopped in regards to other photos of the game>"-the new topic is "why does vanguards graphics suck"
-every-single-topic- by the -exact-same-people-
It's annoying, your not proving anything, your not paying anything for the game yet, and we all already know your opinions.
Let me go over to the eve forum and spam every single post with hate on the game, for every other response, and see how the very same bashers here will be like "stop flaming the game we are trying to talk about it"
Theres a huge difference to coming here to discuss issues or problems with the game, and to spout off hate to other players, to get other people to hate it as much as you do, or even to get people who havent played it, to hate it before they even try it.
I'm no fanboy, the game does have alot of problems, a lot of big problems, and a lot of smaller problems. I think that theres plenty of reasons for the game to be pushed back months. and tons of reasons why people should or should not buy the game at release. Because i'm normal. I don't have a agenda behind my posts to persuade people to liking or hating the game. And i find it quite funny that a lot of the haters of this game try to hold a air of superiority, or maturity to their posts, some claiming to be long time mmorpg players, some back from 10 years ago.
But they behave in a completely different manner, no mature, intelligent person, would spend hours and hours of their time going to a forum of a game THEY HATE, to just bash the game, flame it, and try to make people hate it as much as they do.
The same reason people who loathe reading, don't walk into a book store, to just diss people for reading. Or people go to a golf course, and walk up to someone playing and start listing off reasons why golf is boring. Sure if they were talking to someone, and they ask, hey want to borrow a book i'm reading, then its a opportune time to complain, or go read the book, and then tell your friend, hey this book sucks. Instead of going to a forum for the author and complaining for weeks/months about why they hated the book. Same for golf.
It's just irrational immature behaviour. I'm no pinnacle of matureness(as some of my posts will let on), but even this silly, immature person knows when he sees and smells bullshit.
Not unrealistic, we just hope to get value for our money. As of now, its a complete yellow lemon ripoff.I'll make the point again - a tad egocentric don't you think? These are not fanboi only forums. Other people read them too, eg. people who are considering buying and playing the game. Unless Sony have made a deal with mmorpg.com such that only positive remarks about the game are allowed here (let's call it advertising) I think you just need to learn that people can have opinions different to your own and are free to express them.
I wouldn't go over to the Vanguard official forums and post anything negative - I would consider that inappropriate. But forums like mmorpg.com are valuable consumer tools and are so precisely because readers have access to a range of experiences of the products, both positive and negative.
MMORPGs are the only product on earth where not only will people buy a half finished buggy poorly performing piece of software but then defend it to it's death on forums. Every time I think of fanboy I get a mental picture of the old movie animal house and the frat boys beating some guys bare ass with a paddle that looked like it came out of a canoe. After every swing the poor plebe had to say "thank you sir, may I have another" Well here is another half assed MMORPG that is all hype and no delivery for you fan boys.
I just thank god that MMORPG.com has not sold out to the man and we can state our honest opinions here, and is not a free advertising site for companies like Farlan and SOE and their shill posts.
I miss DAoC
calling a game mediocre will get you labeled as a hater by the shills and fan boys so be careful
I miss DAoC