Entropia Universe = Casino 99%

ToastCHG Member Posts: 4

January 2007

I've been playing since around July of 2006. I've invested a bit of money. Notice how I say invested. I don't expect to make

money playing in EU. Theres is always the possibility of doing so, takes a bit of marketing and some luck. Right now I can

recoup about 70 % of what I've put in the game from the value of the items I've purchased (housing, decorations, armor, weapons) and

the skills I have (purchased/chipped, acquired). For me, that's ok. EU is a form of entertainment and for the money and time put in, is a good value to me. Like anything else, play within your means and have fun!

Dobbin Member Posts: 35

January 2007

I played - but to be quite honest this is not a mmorpg. Success is based on $$$$$$ - nothing else.

No skill required just a credit card and an idiot to use it. Overpriced , overhyped, repetative, massively bugged , rubberbanding, Lag, ...............................

Also taken that with recent skill changes it would take 10 years to max out a weapon, or many many USD.

A big casino in disguise with low odds - very little gameplay - play something else...

Cougar.pt Member Posts: 4

January 2007

Originally posted by Dobbin
I played - but to be quite honest this is not a mmorpg. Success is based on $$$$$$ - nothing else.
No skill required just a credit card and an idiot to use it. Overpriced , overhyped, repetative, massively bugged , rubberbanding, Lag, ...............................
Also taken that with recent skill changes it would take 10 years to max out a weapon, or many many USD.
A big casino in disguise with low odds - very little gameplay - play something else...

You don't understand how the "game" works, do you?

MA have nerfed the skills but are introducing weapons that you can max at lower levels.

The whole "game" is made of balances.

If you don't have the patience to face a challenge that will keep you entertained for a long time (aka years)? Then this game is not for you.

Also, don't be envious about those who have big $$$ and skipped all the fun just to reach the top.

Dobbin Member Posts: 35

January 2007

Originally posted by Cougar.pt

Originally posted by Dobbin

I played - but to be quite honest this is not a mmorpg. Success is based on $$$$$$ - nothing else.

No skill required just a credit card and an idiot to use it. Overpriced , overhyped, repetative, massively bugged , rubberbanding, Lag, ...............................

Also taken that with recent skill changes it would take 10 years to max out a weapon, or many many USD.

A big casino in disguise with low odds - very little gameplay - play something else...

You don't understand how the "game" works, do you?

MA have nerfed the skills but are introducing weapons that you can max at lower levels.

The whole "game" is made of balances.

If you don't have the patience to face a challenge that will keep you entertained for a long time (aka years)? Then this game is not for you.

Also, don't be envious about those who have big $$$ and skipped all the fun just to reach the top.

I did give the game a very good chance, I played for over a year so I do speak from experience. To be totally honest the only thing that kept me there for so long was the community which is the biggest plus to the game. Everything else is as I posted not with venom but from experience.

Also the recent skill changes have made the game totally unplayable for 95% of the community - it simply has become to expensive / skill gain to consider it worth it. I suggest you check your own forum, the following link.

http://www.entropiaforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=51319

Tycoda Member UncommonPosts: 37

January 2007

I only played for a very short time and my main problem was Lag, it was overwhelming when you approached more than one other person. I was stunned, because I have a very fast connection, which means it was server side Lag.

I see Dobbins point about money. It might be "free to play", but when you start you have NOTHING. Not even a weapon or basic tools. I love crafting in games, so that was very disappointing to me.

So after a few days of rubberbanding, being frozen when someone gets near me and mucking around with the only free tool "Sweat collecting" , I gave up. That's a hard thing for me to do, I try to give everything a good chance or two.

Oh and uh, most people don't like to play things that are hard to play.

Klodvig Member Posts: 22

January 2007

Lag has been a problem indeed. My connection is crappy but the lag seem to be depending on what u got in ur machine.

As to the one who still plays PE/EU and here calls him self Dobbin

. Lol u cant be angry at a game. Things change ingame thats true but most ppl adapt. Other ones quit or more often takes a brake. Some take out their frustration on forums it seems... Silly silly and disrespectfull.

And belive me it has nothing to do with me being a fanboy or a cant see the negative sides of EU. Wich i can and i have posted about it as well. Most posts who dislike the concept of EU is acctually good. Zorvans post under the topic "SO hows this game" is funny and expressing his wiew. He prolly think Im crazy who play PE/EU with passion and yes I might be. Its a risk involved. Future will tell if it was worth it.

Any idiot can critizise but few idiots can critizise well or with style

Dobbin Member Posts: 35

January 2007

Lol

I don't play, I did but no longer do - however I do keep an eye on a number of mmorpg type games. By the way it's kind of sad that you need to do things like this....

http://www.entropiaforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47709

To get any good comments

fredypenguin Member Posts: 44

January 2007

Originally posted by Cougar.pt

Originally posted by Dobbin

I played - but to be quite honest this is not a mmorpg. Success is based on $$$$$$ - nothing else.

No skill required just a credit card and an idiot to use it. Overpriced , overhyped, repetative, massively bugged , rubberbanding, Lag, ...............................

Also taken that with recent skill changes it would take 10 years to max out a weapon, or many many USD.

A big casino in disguise with low odds - very little gameplay - play something else...

You don't understand how the "game" works, do you?

MA have nerfed the skills but are introducing weapons that you can max at lower levels.

The whole "game" is made of balances.

If you don't have the patience to face a challenge that will keep you entertained for a long time (aka years)? Then this game is not for you.

Also, don't be envious about those who have big $$$ and skipped all the fun just to reach the top.

Let's make one thing clear for ppl who never tested EU ,ok?

So MA nerfed the skill gain in order to what? To balance the game? (as you think) Ok let's suppose it is true so they introduced the L weapons (who you can only use for limited time untill decay then you can throw them ) limited shit weapons !!! As a noob you can't craft these weapon because you lack of skills so you have to pay markup which means tou pay thier real value + a % to the one who craft them. Great , now don't forget that MA also nerfed the amplifiers for weapons so they introduced also L amplifiers. Now you have to pay + % for amplifiers too. How great it is for a noob to start this jurney !

Now, let's suppose you can survive in EU with a deposit of 50 $ a month (just an example) you will do just fine for some months bt it come the time when you are sick'n'tired of the same mob you hunt now. You will want to hunt other mobs too but for this you will have to upgrade your armor and weapons which will cost you more in terms of decay and amo, not to mention that you maybe consider buying platning for your armor. So my friend , you will have to increase your limit of 50 $ and after one year playing you will deposit at least 3-4 times more than what you started. And not to mention that with every VU, MA will nerf something just to "balance" the game.

And i don't care if there are rich ppl in this game , I wanted to have fun which for a while i had but MA had other plans and they ruined not only my fun but many ppl's fun . Ppl who were playing longer than I did and this is not about addapting because we deposit real money in EU so we expect that MA give us something in return , to improve the game feeling not to nerf the skill gain, weapons, amps , mobs AI , SK (shopkeepers) and ESI (chips for skill transfer).

have a nice time in EU

Fredy

Bringing the truth,
Fredy

Klodvig Member Posts: 22

January 2007

Originally posted by Dobbin

Lol
I don't play, I did but no longer do - however I do keep an eye on a number of mmorpg type games. By the way it's kind of sad that you need to do things like this....
http://www.entropiaforum.com/forums/showthread.php?t=47709
To get any good comments

Not sure what u mean by this? I dont think its sad. I think its a fun initiative. The community decided to work together and vote for Eu on hmm forgot name of first one. Went quite well and it was fun. This page is also mentioned under in the start thread and it was how I found this place as well thats correct. If u wonder what my rate on EU at this page was I will tell u . I wouldnt lie about a game to make other ppl think better about it.

My ratings of EU, and this is my honest opinion. Nothing Im ashamed of. If I was here to lie about the game I would have voted all tens but that I cant. Support u know^^. Its probably good for this page to get more ppl here and just because we like to play EU we are not idiots.

Graphics:		8
Sound:		8
Role Playing:		8
Value:		10
Fun:		10
Community:		10
Performance / Lag:		7
Customer Service:		5

U play a strange forum game my friend. First u post 13 post telling how crappy eu in a quick and non constructive way. Next thing u say u are keeping a eye on a number of mmorg type games. Same time u post two post under different games asking questions about how this game is there. Based on this I can honestly only belive ur only intention was to create a account here and spread ur hatred against EU. Sure that would be fine acctually if u did it in a some what smoth way. But

Fredys comment I respect, even though i dont agree with much of it. Im concerned by the skill changes, but I cant see the same horrible fututre as he see for EU. Its ur methods I have a problem with. 13 posts saying the same thing as 10 others said before u in one post each...

Perhaps we can agree on diffferent wiews about EU, but I at least cannot accept that someone who only want to sabotage. since I cant understand ur actions else? why post the way u did? To warn others about a great danger? ohh please. Its a big difference between sharing a opinion and sabotaging on purpose.

Any idiot can critizise but few idiots can critizise well or with style

Dobbin Member Posts: 35

January 2007

It is my opinion as you have yours. I played EU sure and as I said somewhere else the community there are on the whole what kept me there. As for voting on the game I will not bother as i do not see it as a game - more a casino.

I posted here to air my opinions - something that within your own forum you cannot, and as you can see many others do the same. If you like EU then cool, I am glad you have found a game that suits your taste - but I find it is nothing more than a gambling site in disguise at worse - or an extremely overpriced shoddy MMORPG at best.

I have posted in other forums yes but never mentioned EU - check Eve Online, Dark Age Of Conan, 2nd Life, Roma Victor. Those are a few posts - guess because I'm interested in them.

However my problems with EU were....

1- lag / rubberbanding

2- lousy non existant customer service

3- Crazy cost / enjoyment

4- Increasing difficulty/cost for 95% of the player base

5- Not being able to complain (before cashing out) for fear of an account lock

I could go on but my typing finger would wear out, just to say that yes it left an extremely bad taste in my mouth, one i wouldn't wish my worse enemy to taste. I mean come on 150 USD per month to play - which from people i knew was becoming a regular thing. One of my close RL friends is still account locked over the Alphageek thing- I mean is it really a company you would trust after a friend loses all for a comment that was true....

Oh and BTW I do post on here under another name I chose not to for these posts so not to influence people in game i knew within EU - but thats for me to know and you to guess......

Each to their own I guess.

fredypenguin Member Posts: 44

January 2007

Well in my case, I was trying to play this game "free" trying to collect sweat from mobs and sell it for PED (Entropia currency). One month later I realised that this is not the fun I like from this game. After 1 month playing EU , my deposit was 50-70 $ monthly. 4 months later my monthlly deposit increase to 100-120 $ and after one year playing I realised that my regular deposit of 100-120 $ wasn't enough for one month , 30 days playing***. This increase of my deposits was due to upgrading of my weapons,armor, platning,aplifiers and mind force items (implants, chips). It is so boring to hunt same l v l mob for one year especially if you are an active player, naturally you want a tougher mob to challenge and then you have to upgrade your weopons,armors,amplifiers and this means an increase of your deposit. After your reach, let's say, close to medium l v l player (about 1 year playing) it is very heavy and no fun to continue depositing 20-30 $ monthly.

Ok, now MA tells you how FAST, EASY and SECURE it is to transfer your hard working $ into this game BUT what they don't tell you it is HOW LONG it takes to transfer your $ back to your account. Now they issue an ATM card which you can cash your founds from eny ATM instantly from the game. This looks nice but the % they charge you for every transaction it is just If you choose the bank transfer option you will have to wait up to 90 days for your founds to be transferred back to your account. You can only transfer ,from the game, max 100 $ monthly and if you want to increase the limit transfer you have to send them, to MA, your passport coppy + one electricity or telephone bill where your name is stated.

Another aspect to think about is when you realise, after a while (months-years) that you was "another casual victim" of this sucking money machine called EU - Entropia Universe and you want to sell everything you bought, invested and your skills.

Well let's talk about skills, in order to sell your skills you must have an ESI chip (Empty Skill Implant) and transfer your skills on that chip usinf an inserter tool. The problem now it is that after MA nerfed the weapons,amplifiers,skill gain,ESI ,mining and hunting ,ppl start to realise that this game it is too expensive for the fun it gives in return so they sell out. When many ppl sell out they all need ESI to transfer the skill and sell them. In this game there in an auction where you can buy/sell things like ESI chips. In auction ,it used to be 10 pages listed with ESI but now you can hardly see 2 pages and guess why? These ESI drop from mobs when you loot them and hunters who need money to contnue the hunting they sell those ESI in auction but now , after MA nerfed the ESI (now there are L ESI which means limited) most ppl keep the ESI in their inventory for the day when they will sell out and leave this money sucking machine. Now with so little ESI in auction and so big demand, ppl who sell them ask insane prices for them and this is what MA wants to make selling out expensive,as much as possible. So now when you want to sell out you have to pay insane price for the ESI so you can sell your skills and also you have to pay decay for the inserter too which decay very fast, it is not much but after you play for about one year you will have to use it many times .

Keep in mind that MA control the whole game, they decide when animal drop intems, when a rare ore will spawn and who will find it and this is for PR.

Well there are much more to say here but my time is limited but I will be back

Fredy

***NOTE: I was playing every day at least 5 h (not chatting) mainly hunting.

Bringing the truth,
Fredy

Tycoda Member UncommonPosts: 37

January 2007

Fredy, for that amount of money you could've developed your own mmorpg! Or subscribed to several pay 2 play services and had way more fun.

Can't complain for fear of account lock? Holy Sh*t that is awful...

The more I read of this thread the luckier I feel that I dodged the bullet!

But, like Dob said, to each their own.

fredypenguin Member Posts: 44

January 2007

Originally posted by Tycoda

Fredy, for that amount of money you could've developed your own mmorpg! Or subscribed to several pay 2 play services and had way more fun.
Can't complain for fear of account lock? Holy Sh*t that is awful...
The more I read of this thread the luckier I feel that I dodged the bullet!
But, like Dob said, to each their own.

I trusted PE/EU and I had fun I don't complain about the money I spent, however I have 80% of my money back and I am done with this game who it is now only a MSM (money sucking machine)

MA can lock my account , who cares , I don't , I have my money safe

There are ppl who deposited much more than I did, in form of investment but only time will tell what it will be.

MA will always nerf this game and as soon as you get a glimpse of the game machanics , MA will change it in no time so you will never ever play economically in your fovour and saving money. MA wants you to belive that once you gain enough skills you will be able to hunt , mine and craft economically. This is true but that means that if you start today you will reach that lvl in min 2 years or more of hardcore playing and depositing . If you draw a line after 2 years you will notice you lost big time

But guess what ? Now this was a tough lesson I had to learn on the hard way and if there is any way I can help you with advices I will gladly post them here. Ppl have the right to know the truth about this game BEFORE they do the first money deposit .

Fredy

Bringing the truth,
Fredy

JackFree Member Posts: 17

January 2007

Originally posted by fredypenguin

Originally posted by Tycoda

Fredy, for that amount of money you could've developed your own mmorpg! Or subscribed to several pay 2 play services and had way more fun.
Can't complain for fear of account lock? Holy Sh*t that is awful...
The more I read of this thread the luckier I feel that I dodged the bullet!
But, like Dob said, to each their own.

I trusted PE/EU and I had fun I don't complain about the money I spent, however I have 80% of my money back and I am done with this game who it is now only a MSM (money sucking machine)

MA can lock my account , who cares , I don't , I have my money safe

There are ppl who deposited much more than I did, in form of investment but only time will tell what it will be.

MA will always nerf this game and as soon as you get a glimpse of the game machanics , MA will change it in no time so you will never ever play economically in your fovour and saving money. MA wants you to belive that once you gain enough skills you will be able to hunt , mine and craft economically. This is true but that means that if you start today you will reach that lvl in min 2 years or more of hardcore playing and depositing . If you draw a line after 2 years you will notice you lost big time

But guess what ? Now this was a tough lesson I had to learn on the hard way and if there is any way I can help you with advices I will gladly post them here. Ppl have the right to know the truth about this game BEFORE they do the first money deposit .

Fredy

YOU GOT BACK 80% of the money you put into the game and you are still complaining???

If you send a mail to Blizzard and ask for 80% of the money you payed to play their game, what do you think they would say?

People have a right to know the truth, and the truth is that you can pay as little or as much as you want. If you cannot manage your finances or know when to stop depositing, then you should not play EU, or go to a casino, or go shopping on your own.

Just like in the real world, there is no free ride, no guarantees of sucess, just you and the machine. You can either play the machine or let it play you. You decide!

I have no problem when people complain about EU because they don't like it. That is for everyone to decide for themselves. Some love it some hate it.

I just have a problem with people who blame MA for "sucking" the money out of their wallets! It is your own fault, noone else is to blame!

Cheers

fredypenguin Member Posts: 44

January 2007

Originally posted by JackFree

Originally posted by fredypenguin

Originally posted by Tycoda

Fredy, for that amount of money you could've developed your own mmorpg! Or subscribed to several pay 2 play services and had way more fun.
Can't complain for fear of account lock? Holy Sh*t that is awful...
The more I read of this thread the luckier I feel that I dodged the bullet!
But, like Dob said, to each their own.

I trusted PE/EU and I had fun I don't complain about the money I spent, however I have 80% of my money back and I am done with this game who it is now only a MSM (money sucking machine)

MA can lock my account , who cares , I don't , I have my money safe

There are ppl who deposited much more than I did, in form of investment but only time will tell what it will be.

MA will always nerf this game and as soon as you get a glimpse of the game machanics , MA will change it in no time so you will never ever play economically in your fovour and saving money. MA wants you to belive that once you gain enough skills you will be able to hunt , mine and craft economically. This is true but that means that if you start today you will reach that lvl in min 2 years or more of hardcore playing and depositing . If you draw a line after 2 years you will notice you lost big time

But guess what ? Now this was a tough lesson I had to learn on the hard way and if there is any way I can help you with advices I will gladly post them here. Ppl have the right to know the truth about this game BEFORE they do the first money deposit .

Fredy

YOU GOT BACK 80% of the money you put into the game and you are still complaining???

If you send a mail to Blizzard and ask for 80% of the money you payed to play their game, what do you think they would say?

People have a right to know the truth, and the truth is that you can pay as little or as much as you want. If you cannot manage your finances or know when to stop depositing, then you should not play EU, or go to a casino, or go shopping on your own.

Just like in the real world, there is no free ride, no guarantees of sucess, just you and the machine. You can either play the machine or let it play you. You decide!

I have no problem when people complain about EU because they don't like it. That is for everyone to decide for themselves. Some love it some hate it.

I just have a problem with people who blame MA for "sucking" the money out of their wallets! It is your own fault, noone else is to blame!

Cheers

My point is that MA became more and more geedy, nerfing something with every VU . It was not like this when I started to play PE (Project Entropia).

I cashed out 80% from the money I deposited so far but if I would have withdraw 3-4 months ago I would have made a little profit. Because MA nerfed this game, EU it is not what it was before.

Of course MA created this game to make some cash, no problem with that, but why they nerfed the skill gain?

Why they nerfed the ESI?

Why they nerfed the amplifiers?

Why they nerfed the shopkeepers?

Why they continue to improve mobs AI with every VU?

Why they nerfed the auction fee?

These are just few issues that transformed a great game PE into EU , a money sucking machine.

Of course to chat is free, to sweat is free but this is not my kind of entertainment I want from a game.

You mentioned Blizzard, so what Blizzard charge you monthly? 15-20 $ ? Well I can tell you that Blizzard did and still does quality games and for 20 $ monthly they guarantee entertaiment worth every $.

In conclusion Entropia Universe it is not a skill based game anymore instead became a real money based game , a MSM

There are 3 categories of ppl who play EU right now:

1. ppl who like to chat , make friends, sweat and maybe deposit 10-20 $ monthly

2.ppl who deposit +100 $ monthly and struggle to "survive" ( in the end they are the losers)

3.ppl who invest, invested +20 k $ to buy a land , mall, and who will make profit from ppl cat. 1 and 2

Bringing the truth,
Fredy

JackFree Member Posts: 17

January 2007

Originally posted by fredypenguin

Originally posted by JackFree

Originally posted by fredypenguin

Originally posted by Tycoda

Fredy, for that amount of money you could've developed your own mmorpg! Or subscribed to several pay 2 play services and had way more fun.
Can't complain for fear of account lock? Holy Sh*t that is awful...
The more I read of this thread the luckier I feel that I dodged the bullet!
But, like Dob said, to each their own.

I trusted PE/EU and I had fun I don't complain about the money I spent, however I have 80% of my money back and I am done with this game who it is now only a MSM (money sucking machine)

MA can lock my account , who cares , I don't , I have my money safe

There are ppl who deposited much more than I did, in form of investment but only time will tell what it will be.

MA will always nerf this game and as soon as you get a glimpse of the game machanics , MA will change it in no time so you will never ever play economically in your fovour and saving money. MA wants you to belive that once you gain enough skills you will be able to hunt , mine and craft economically. This is true but that means that if you start today you will reach that lvl in min 2 years or more of hardcore playing and depositing . If you draw a line after 2 years you will notice you lost big time

But guess what ? Now this was a tough lesson I had to learn on the hard way and if there is any way I can help you with advices I will gladly post them here. Ppl have the right to know the truth about this game BEFORE they do the first money deposit .

Fredy

YOU GOT BACK 80% of the money you put into the game and you are still complaining???

If you send a mail to Blizzard and ask for 80% of the money you payed to play their game, what do you think they would say?

People have a right to know the truth, and the truth is that you can pay as little or as much as you want. If you cannot manage your finances or know when to stop depositing, then you should not play EU, or go to a casino, or go shopping on your own.

Just like in the real world, there is no free ride, no guarantees of sucess, just you and the machine. You can either play the machine or let it play you. You decide!

I have no problem when people complain about EU because they don't like it. That is for everyone to decide for themselves. Some love it some hate it.

I just have a problem with people who blame MA for "sucking" the money out of their wallets! It is your own fault, noone else is to blame!

Cheers

My point is that MA became more and more geedy, nerfing something with every VU . It was not like this when I started to play PE (Project Entropia).

I cashed out 80% from the money I deposited so far but if I would have withdraw 3-4 months ago I would have made a little profit. Because MA nerfed this game, EU it is not what it was before.

Of course MA created this game to make some cash, no problem with that, but why they nerfed the skill gain?

Why they nerfed the ESI?

Why they nerfed the amplifiers?

Why they nerfed the shopkeepers?

Why they continue to improve mobs AI with every VU?

Why they nerfed the auction fee?

These are just few issues that transformed a great game PE into EU , a money sucking machine.

Of course to chat is free, to sweat is free but this is not my kind of entertainment I want from a game.

You mentioned Blizzard, so what Blizzard charge you monthly? 15-20 $ ? Well I can tell you that Blizzard did and still does quality games and for 20 $ monthly they guarantee entertaiment worth every $.

In conclusion Entropia Universe it is not a skill based game anymore instead became a real money based game , a MSM

There are 3 categories of ppl who play EU right now:

1. ppl who like to chat , make friends, sweat and maybe deposit 10-20 $ monthly

2.ppl who deposit +100 $ monthly and struggle to "survive" ( in the end they are the losers)

3.ppl who invest, invested +20 k $ to buy a land , mall, and who will make profit from ppl cat. 1 and 2

Seems odd that with all the nerfing going on you still manage to get back 80% of what you put in. And no matter how you try to twist it, it is you yourself that deposited so much money into EU. MA is not a "MSM", it is you that is throwing money at MA. What should they do say "oh no Fredy, you have already spent so much. We could not possibly accept another deposit from you." ROFL

I have not been dissapointed with EU, mainly because I do only deposit a small amout each month. I also did not expect EU to be a way to make "free money". It is a game for Pete's sake! I am not a hard core gamer and it is difficult for me to understand how someone can spend 5-8 hours per day playing a game. What do you do the rest of the day? There is so much more to life than playing WOW or EU or any other game.

EU's payment method is perfect, you pay only what you want to, It is up to YOU, not MA... YOU!

Quote by Fredy: "I cashed out 80% from the money I deposited so far but if I would have withdraw 3-4 months ago I would have made a little profit. Because MA nerfed this game, EU it is not what it was before. "

So basically you are upset because you left too late? If you would have made a profit would you be calling MA a "MSM"??? Can you preict how EU will evolve in the future? Maybe that Opalo rifle you still have in storage will become rare and worth a fortune.

Quote by Fredy from another post: "I have been playing this game for 16 months so i know what is like by now and i am talking from my experience. I have deposited so far 12 k US dollars..."

You deposited $750 per month!!!! I would be upset too if I did that. Did MA ask you to please deposit $750 dollars to play. Was someone holding a gun to your head. In any case, you managed to get back 80% so call it $9600. That leaves $2400 for 16 months of entertainment. Which is about $150 per month. OK $150 per month for a game is a bit much in my opinion, but whose idea was it to deposit $12 000 into a game?

Sorry Fredy but you can't blame anyone but yourself.

Cheers

fredypenguin Member Posts: 44

January 2007

Originally posted by JackFree

Originally posted by fredypenguin

Originally posted by JackFree

Originally posted by fredypenguin

Originally posted by Tycoda

Fredy, for that amount of money you could've developed your own mmorpg! Or subscribed to several pay 2 play services and had way more fun.
Can't complain for fear of account lock? Holy Sh*t that is awful...
The more I read of this thread the luckier I feel that I dodged the bullet!
But, like Dob said, to each their own.

I trusted PE/EU and I had fun I don't complain about the money I spent, however I have 80% of my money back and I am done with this game who it is now only a MSM (money sucking machine)

MA can lock my account , who cares , I don't , I have my money safe

There are ppl who deposited much more than I did, in form of investment but only time will tell what it will be.

MA will always nerf this game and as soon as you get a glimpse of the game machanics , MA will change it in no time so you will never ever play economically in your fovour and saving money. MA wants you to belive that once you gain enough skills you will be able to hunt , mine and craft economically. This is true but that means that if you start today you will reach that lvl in min 2 years or more of hardcore playing and depositing . If you draw a line after 2 years you will notice you lost big time

But guess what ? Now this was a tough lesson I had to learn on the hard way and if there is any way I can help you with advices I will gladly post them here. Ppl have the right to know the truth about this game BEFORE they do the first money deposit .

Fredy

YOU GOT BACK 80% of the money you put into the game and you are still complaining???

If you send a mail to Blizzard and ask for 80% of the money you payed to play their game, what do you think they would say?

People have a right to know the truth, and the truth is that you can pay as little or as much as you want. If you cannot manage your finances or know when to stop depositing, then you should not play EU, or go to a casino, or go shopping on your own.

Just like in the real world, there is no free ride, no guarantees of sucess, just you and the machine. You can either play the machine or let it play you. You decide!

I have no problem when people complain about EU because they don't like it. That is for everyone to decide for themselves. Some love it some hate it.

I just have a problem with people who blame MA for "sucking" the money out of their wallets! It is your own fault, noone else is to blame!

Cheers

My point is that MA became more and more geedy, nerfing something with every VU . It was not like this when I started to play PE (Project Entropia).

I cashed out 80% from the money I deposited so far but if I would have withdraw 3-4 months ago I would have made a little profit. Because MA nerfed this game, EU it is not what it was before.

Of course MA created this game to make some cash, no problem with that, but why they nerfed the skill gain?

Why they nerfed the ESI?

Why they nerfed the amplifiers?

Why they nerfed the shopkeepers?

Why they continue to improve mobs AI with every VU?

Why they nerfed the auction fee?

These are just few issues that transformed a great game PE into EU , a money sucking machine.

Of course to chat is free, to sweat is free but this is not my kind of entertainment I want from a game.

You mentioned Blizzard, so what Blizzard charge you monthly? 15-20 $ ? Well I can tell you that Blizzard did and still does quality games and for 20 $ monthly they guarantee entertaiment worth every $.

In conclusion Entropia Universe it is not a skill based game anymore instead became a real money based game , a MSM

There are 3 categories of ppl who play EU right now:

1. ppl who like to chat , make friends, sweat and maybe deposit 10-20 $ monthly

2.ppl who deposit +100 $ monthly and struggle to "survive" ( in the end they are the losers)

3.ppl who invest, invested +20 k $ to buy a land , mall, and who will make profit from ppl cat. 1 and 2

Seems odd that with all the nerfing going on you still manage to get back 80% of what you put in. And no matter how you try to twist it, it is you yourself that deposited so much money into EU. MA is not a "MSM", it is you that is throwing money at MA. What should they do say "oh no Fredy, you have already spent so much. We could not possibly accept another deposit from you." ROFL

I have not been dissapointed with EU, mainly because I do only deposit a small amout each month. I also did not expect EU to be a way to make "free money". It is a game for Pete's sake! I am not a hard core gamer and it is difficult for me to understand how someone can spend 5-8 hours per day playing a game. What do you do the rest of the day? There is so much more to life than playing WOW or EU or any other game.

EU's payment method is perfect, you pay only what you want to, It is up to YOU, not MA... YOU!

Quote by Fredy: "I cashed out 80% from the money I deposited so far but if I would have withdraw 3-4 months ago I would have made a little profit. Because MA nerfed this game, EU it is not what it was before. "

So basically you are upset because you left too late? If you would have made a profit would you be calling MA a "MSM"??? Can you preict how EU will evolve in the future? Maybe that Opalo rifle you still have in storage will become rare and worth a fortune.

Quote by Fredy from another post: "I have been playing this game for 16 months so i know what is like by now and i am talking from my experience. I have deposited so far 12 k US dollars..."

You deposited $750 per month!!!! I would be upset too if I did that. Did MA ask you to please deposit $750 dollars to play. Was someone holding a gun to your head. In any case, you managed to get back 80% so call it $9600. That leaves $2400 for 16 months of entertainment. Which is about $150 per month. OK $150 per month for a game is a bit much in my opinion, but whose idea was it to deposit $12 000 into a game?

Sorry Fredy but you can't blame anyone but yourself.

Cheers

I am just trying to offer my personal insight in this game for the ppl who are lured by MA's agressive PR. In this forum right now, there is your insight and my insight about EU. To ilustrate this more clear for other ppl reading this post, here I will insert a scenario:

Jack: in real life you like eating junk food and drinking softdrinks full of sugar,artificial colorants and chemical substances and all these just because they are CHEAP . And this is the price you are willing to pay to have something in your stomach. Yes you enjoy the live you have.

Fredy: in real life I like eating and drinking all you do + I like to eat gourme food and drink natural juices in expensive restaurants and for this I am willing to pay more than you do . Yes I enjoy double so much my life. But guess what happend if the luxury restaurants start to offer me junk food for the same price as gourme food? I walk out and never come back again !

Jack, no offence to you man, this was just a scenario, so other ppl can see the difference between Jack and Fredy.

Bringing the truth,
Fredy

JackFree Member Posts: 17

January 2007

Originally posted by fredypenguin

Originally posted by JackFree

Originally posted by fredypenguin

Originally posted by JackFree

Originally posted by fredypenguin

Originally posted by Tycoda

Fredy, for that amount of money you could've developed your own mmorpg! Or subscribed to several pay 2 play services and had way more fun.
Can't complain for fear of account lock? Holy Sh*t that is awful...
The more I read of this thread the luckier I feel that I dodged the bullet!
But, like Dob said, to each their own.