Everyone has their own opinon/comments; allow me to post mine:
1.) Performance: Wow unless you guys have your settings full blast I have to admit that my system is nothing compared to yours and I've had very very very litlte issues.
a.) AMD Athalon XP 2100~1.7Gig; this processor is what? (2-3 years old), Motherboard (2-3yrs old), 1 Gig Mushkin Black RAM (1yr old), GeForce 7800 GS AGP 256mb (less than 6 months old).
b.) Anyways the only problems I'm having is studdering, when the game first loads, at Character Creation Screen the music will pause a brief moment, and or crackle (probably due to my processor), when I'm in game and I'm moving around sometimes it freezes up for a min (total) but for the most part I can play the game. I dont have my settings full blast, in fact I'm probably running 1024x768, though I will have to confirm.
c.) On this performance thing, isnt it a possiblity that Vanguard was made like that of EverQuest 2 that its built for years to come for upgrades etc. That no rig can fully support what Vanguard has to offer? For instance when EverQuest 2 was released on launch day back in November of 2004, it could already support resolutions past 2000x2000 (or something like that); but not very many monitors out there supported that high. So isnt it a possiblity that those that have new gaming systems/upgrades that if you choose a high setting you'll still lag because perhaps that neither can fully support all that Vanguard has to offer? (this is just a theory)
2.) Someone mentioned that Vanguard is the only title to be released this year that is well overdue; allow me to mention "Lord of the Rings Online: Shadows of Angmar". I beta tested that game and am anticipating it too.
3.) I think the main reason I'm getting Vanguard is the fact that its already inlcuded into the Station Access Pass, I already play EverQuest 1 and 2, and or SWG so adding Vanguard doesnt up my price any
4.) Its probably true to almost any product released that there will be bugs. I bet you that if youre using any Beta version of Vista you're saying to yourself "Dont release it to the public on January 30th 2007, its not ready yet" but either way we look at it, there will be updates available. So you can either choose to wait 6 months and download a couple gigs of patches or upgrade as you go from day to day. This statement isnt to convert you to buy it, I'm just saying it would be easier to me to get updated patches rather than waiting 6 months and buy January 30ths retail version and then download 2-4gigs of patches and wait from 1hr to 10hrs.
2.) Someone mentioned that Vanguard is the only title to be released this year that is well overdue; allow me to mention "Lord of the Rings Online: Shadows of Angmar". I beta tested that game and am anticipating it too.
Actally you misread that if your taking about my post (assuming that becuase I didn't notice any other comment like that) I stated that Vanguard is the first title that has been released in a long time thats any good not the 'only title', and yes LOTR looks good, I hope to get access at least to give my 2 copper on it but thats another topic..
If one is required to upgrade a system to play this game comfortably, that is a huge shame. I would like to think that one of the many successful things WoW did was have a game that could run on really low end systems. One of the things LOTRO has going for it is this very thing.
It is early, we all know that, i think that we sure have come to expect a really polished game ala. WoW, and why not? as the consumers we have all gotten used to 'early' games and continue to think that is is acceptable, by making excuses for the Dev. and the 'money' behind these games. Another thing LOTRO has going for it i might add
Its early, yes. but it has become the norm, let those that are okay with this trend pay for the lazy, greedy, Dev. teams, and 'money' company's behind these games, to finish the 'beta' for us. they have been doing it for far too long, and will continue to do it.
LOTRO will have my pre-order money, and i dont often pre-order anything.
I experience bugs last night that I had not experienced before. My newly-rolled character was respawning far from the nearest altar, and actually quite far from any altar. Older bugs do not seem to be going away. The frequency of combat encounters where the mob I was fighting disappeared increased. I was actually told "cannot see opponent" in the middle of an effing open field, and it was effing killing me! The frequency of encounters where the mob's actual remaining life was not reflected in its displayed life also has not seemed to me to have decreased, in spite of published bug fix reports saying the problem has diminished. You've heard tell of the character graphics, and the stories are true.
I like the game, but it is being pushed out the door too soon. There has been a surprising amount of improvement since start of Beta 5, but there is still a substantial amount of improvement needed.
Vanguard would have been a good game if SOE never had their hands on it. Since SOE is the distributor, Vanguard will be released too soon, never fix key bugs, and milk players money for a product that will never feel finished. I was sickened by thier shoveling out the expansions and adventure packs that had to be purchased instead of adressing the issues players cared about.
Vanguard died for me. It's probably the only game next to SWG that I played for a single week that I quit. Not because of difficulty, but strictly because McDonald - er McQuacker - errr damn it : MCQUAID tried to use a formula that WoW already perfected and then some. Am I a WoW fanboy? No. I do play though, and I do like it. I play all games anyway...but Vanguard? No thank you.
Vanguard would have been a good game if SOE never had their hands on it. Since SOE is the distributor, Vanguard will be released too soon, never fix key bugs, and milk players money for a product that will never feel finished. I was sickened by thier shoveling out the expansions and adventure packs that had to be purchased instead of adressing the issues players cared about. I will never play another SOE game again.
Gotta love the 2 post wonders that come here to post their SOE hate. SOE has nothing to do with the VG problems. In fact, if SOE didn't come along there is a very good chance VG would never have seen the light of day due to a lack of funding.
Vanguard died for me. It's probably the only game next to SWG that I played for a single week that I quit. Not because of difficulty, but strictly because McDonald - er McQuacker - errr damn it : MCQUAID tried to use a formula that WoW already perfected and then some. Am I a WoW fanboy? No. I do play though, and I do like it. I play all games anyway...but Vanguard? No thank you.
hmm 'WoW perfected formula'? Hmm.. Vanguard isn't a watered down mix of well.. everything, cuz thats WoW in a nutshell, in fact it's the complete reverse, cafting and diplomicy are far more complex then WoW's 'push one button n' go' systems' and the combat requires a tad more thinking then button spammage, although the combat system is well kinda standard for any MMO. Anyone thats played a week in Vanguard (even if they havn't reached lvl 10 yet), will tell you there is a lot more to offer in it then WoW had when it started and it's far more deep then what you are making out it to be.
So how one question how is Vanguard using the supposed 'WoW formula' again? Are you a WoW fanboi? Quite Possibily.. Are you prejugding a game you probly havn't played properly or even at all, purly on the basis the UI looks 'WoW-est'? Most Deffinatly.
You my friend have jumped on board the flaming wagon as it's currently 'cool' to flame Vanguard, and you come out with sorry the most crazyest statment of all 'Vanguard copied WoW and I've played Vanguard so it's true' the players who claimed that VG was 'WoW-est' at least admitted they hadn't played the game yet. Word to the wise, not every game out there will attempt to 'clone' WoW Vanguard's one of those games, so by doing the 'it's WoW!' excuse is very invaild here. The 'problem' with Vanguard is techical not the gameplay, you could at least read peoples problems with the game first to see why they aren't intending on getting it before you tried the 'WoW clone' card.
NB: This topic was ment to correct not flame a clealy false statement about Vanguard, in the real world we call that slander.
I don't know. I've been trying Vanguard in beta and the lag and sound looping effects are so bad that it's annoying to even run. I got to the point where I had to turn the audio off. Every patch I try to log in and see how it goes, but so far... not well.
Maybe there is a good story hidden there somewhere, and maybe the wide open exploration thing'll be fun enough to ignore the huge amounts of lag and crappy sound.
I'm actually pretty bummed about it, I thought and hoped it would be a lot more playable.
Vanguard would have been a good game if SOE never had their hands on it. Since SOE is the distributor, Vanguard will be released too soon, never fix key bugs, and milk players money for a product that will never feel finished. I was sickened by thier shoveling out the expansions and adventure packs that had to be purchased instead of adressing the issues players cared about. I will never play another SOE game again.
Gotta love the 2 post wonders that come here to post their SOE hate. SOE has nothing to do with the VG problems. In fact, if SOE didn't come along there is a very good chance VG would never have seen the light of day due to a lack of funding.
What does the number of posts have to do with anything?
gpett makes a good point about Sony's business practices.
When I quit FFXI they continued to charge my credit card for months and every month I would go and quit all over again it took 3 months to finally straighten it out but I did not get a refund. I may have been able to if I had called my bank right away.
To complain about performance issues of ANY game while it is in BETA is ignorant at best. BETA is not a finished product, nor is it intended to be. BETA also is ran on lower end servers than the game would be running on at release (insert lag here). Also, those complaining about graphical issues that gave up playing after a week, I suggest you try again after the latest patch. There is (wait for it) improvement.
Try this, next time your mother, or wife, or whoever is baking a cake, tell her how much is sucks before its done cooking.
Vanguard would have been a good game if SOE never had their hands on it. Since SOE is the distributor, Vanguard will be released too soon, never fix key bugs, and milk players money for a product that will never feel finished. I was sickened by thier shoveling out the expansions and adventure packs that had to be purchased instead of adressing the issues players cared about. I will never play another SOE game again.
Don't look surpised if in 1-2 years SoE buys Vanguard from Brad if the game isnt growing fast enough.
Want some cheese with that whine, people?? The game is lagging because they are running a debug in beta. That is almost like running 2 versions of the game at the same time, imo (Don't flame me people, I'm NOT an effin math major.) Simply put, there will likely be a bit of lag, but no where near the current level. I personally cleared up my lag issue my resetting my ingame vid option to highest performance. I will likely put it back to high performance or balanced, so I see the terrain effects. I am currently running a (modest) bit over min. req. and it's just fine. As for the disappointed people who think it lacks, don't play it. Saves the rest of us from hearing endless "Barrens" WoW chat and GAWD I've had enough of THAT (2 yrs of WoW, pfft MY bad). I'm very excited about player housing. I miss that from SWG. I already discovered huge amounts of plots in beta and YES, it's near the beach so don't steal em all! LOL. Crafting i haven't figured a few things out yet, but diplomacy kicks @$$! Kremlik had it right. If you missed his post (above) go back to it. KREMLIK IS A GOD! YA! ~Aazgaroth~
sort of like lag in beta wow was only because they were stress testing? then the lag remained and was just as horrid for the next 3-6 months (depending on your server). hyjal was notorious for just not being there for long periods of time.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
Vanguard would have been a good game if SOE never had their hands on it. Since SOE is the distributor, Vanguard will be released too soon, never fix key bugs, and milk players money for a product that will never feel finished. I was sickened by thier shoveling out the expansions and adventure packs that had to be purchased instead of adressing the issues players cared about. I will never play another SOE game again.
Gotta love the 2 post wonders that come here to post their SOE hate. SOE has nothing to do with the VG problems. In fact, if SOE didn't come along there is a very good chance VG would never have seen the light of day due to a lack of funding.
What does the number of posts have to do with anything?
gpett makes a good point about Sony's business practices.
When I quit FFXI they continued to charge my credit card for months and every month I would go and quit all over again it took 3 months to finally straighten it out but I did not get a refund. I may have been able to if I had called my bank right away.
It was not a good point. What does Sony's business practice have to do with the poor shape VG is in?
Funny thing is I remember WoW having animation and choppy graphics issues even near the end of open beta...
Ive been playing Vanguard beta for about a week now and while ive had some client crashes its been pretty good, theres a bit of choppyness whenever new chunks load but im sure that will tone down when they remove debug mode. It only took a small amount of tweaking to get my 7900 to run at 40+fps
Im actually fairly happy with the animations so far. I dont really know why people are complaining, they look smooth and accurate. Large class selection, lots of races, crafting is absolutely amazing and is NOT boring.. Diplomacy is a cool card-game type thing. The quests are a bit fed-ex but still full of lore and mystery. The world is HUUUUGE, non instanced.. no load screens!!.. You can get transportation quite early too.. ive seen chars at level 15ish riding horses. Cant wait to get a flying mount and go ANYWHERE.. . I look at this game sometimes and go, hmm this is what Dark and Light were trying to do but failed.
Theres been a patch almost daily for the last week.. these guys at Sigil are busting their asses u can tell.. I think itl be a decent if not better WoW alternative, and overall id say the graphics are a B+, even in beta/debug mode.
Definitely worth giving it a try. A bit shy of mcquaid's '3rd generation' mmo but id say right now its a 2 and a half.
Reminds me of the SWG launch and EQ2 launch , it had issues but alot of "could be great" with better management . I rank the management team up thier with Shadowbane folks, I ve never seen development or QA this hostile in a few years. My roommate loves the game but I upgraded to the recommended stuff and additional 1 gig memory , it still ran pretty crappy.
Not sure , if I m willing to buy it at its current state , unless they bundle it with EQ2 , or something. It just doesnt seem to up to snuff on alot of issues.
As for Gold turn around , yeah its been proclaimed for over 10 years now and nothing short of God laying hands on it is gonna fix it. We ve seen this kinda thing for ages now , if its in the station pass , I ll buy it mostly for my roommate.
Dont get me wrong , its not a total piece of crap like Carp Diem or Archlord , or Final Fantasy XI , its the cross between the development team and the product itself. I say around 4 months it ll be worth playing , but I m not gonna upgrade my PC anymore for this game.
If it doesnt run on recommended , I would rather just stick to EQ2 .
It just seems that most of you that think this game will fail have probebly not been playing after last saterday, cause if you had done so then (if you had the right system) you should have noticed major improvments as in totaly no lag anymore (atleast for me) wich is understandeble as the where running the game now without the beta backup programs running, sounds have greatly been improved as i found that very anoying at times, ever since saterday it felt as stabel as any other mmorpg including WOW..YES JUST AS STABEL AS WOW (atleast again for me it did). Animations of NPC and speech are soo cool now .The whole game is more based of what a mmorpg must be then any other mmorpg at this moment, ready for release "HELL yeah" its about time i can creaste my new character that will survive instead of my beta character who will be moved to the test servers. The only people that can say they did not like the game after last saterday is because they don't understand mmorpg, they don't have the system for it to play good ,mind you that it is foolish to say to not buy upgrades or buy a better system just becauce of this game because maybe some of you haven't noticed this but times moves on meaning games will get more complex so you're not going to upgrade for just this game but you will be upgrading to just be able to get into the new games that are comming down the road. And they have experiance VSoH as a empty looking game because they totaly forgot that its us the comunity who will setup housing,towns,shops ect.... wich will make the world come more alive and that can be the reall feeling of a mmorpg to be able to creat a guild and really have a holdingground what you can call home(ingame)
When i stepped in VSOH a month ago i was like " to bad this game could have gone somewhere" but it felt still better then last new beta's in 2006 but still it didn't feel like the game i wanted or was waiting for. Well Sigil has shown me what they are capeble of in for me experiance less then a month they really turned the game around in the way i'm not letting go of this game.
It really turned out to be the game i was looking for .for a long time now.
I understand if your experiance is somewhat slim as for example WOW was your first mmorpg then VSoH miught be much to complex for you to handle so in that way i understand those that didn't find VSoH to become a good game.
Those for reall love for mmorpg will definitly get into that game, afcourse if your system lets you
just curious, when did you play, after last updates or before ? and what system do you ? do you even like mmorpg? not ment disrespectfull but just really curious (being 30+ meself might have to do with seeing things diverently)
For those real gamers that have been at beginning of game releases all know not one mmorpg hit the ground solid, WOW managed to become a solid piece of game after about 6 months also had lots of problems at the beginning, its just these new breed of gamers that shared wow experiance and now think every game should start as stabel as WOW is currently is and unable to understand the real possibilt's of a mmorpg
It was not a good point. What does Sony's business practice have to do with the poor shape VG is in?
I think this game started to go down hill as soon as Sony got involved.
None of the station games I have played are very good. It seems like they give you a large assortment of lower quality games to try and keep you entertained and they charge you over and over for the expansion packs which means no real content will be added to the game unless you pay more then the monthly fee.
As far as last Saturdays patch making game play better, I tried to log in yesterday and my toon was stuck in place for about 20 minutes then the lag was so bad I decided to just log out.
This is not fun.
The bottom line is that you will play it if you want but don't try and tell me I am wrong I know what I have seen and If i am in the mood I will express my disappointment for the game and for Sigil.
If the game were great I would be here saying so but even most hardcore fans have said the game has issues.
To complain about performance issues of ANY game while it is in BETA is ignorant at best. BETA is not a finished product, nor is it intended to be. BETA also is ran on lower end servers than the game would be running on at release (insert lag here). Also, those complaining about graphical issues that gave up playing after a week, I suggest you try again after the latest patch. There is (wait for it) improvement.
Try this, next time your mother, or wife, or whoever is baking a cake, tell her how much is sucks before its done cooking.
ignorance is bliss
LOL that was pretty good man
Except the cake is out of the oven and its a goey mess all over the floor.
Its beta 5 this is when they show the game to the world and do the the final tweaks.
There should not be huge issues at this point but there are.
It was not a good point. What does Sony's business practice have to do with the poor shape VG is in?
I think this game started to go down hill as soon as Sony got involved.
None of the station games I have played are very good. It seems like they give you a large assortment of lower quality games to try and keep you entertained and they charge you over and over for the expansion packs which means no real content will be added to the game unless you pay more then the monthly fee.
As far as last Saturdays patch making game play better, I tried to log in yesterday and my toon was stuck in place for about 20 minutes then the lag was so bad I decided to just log out.
This is not fun.
The bottom line is that you will play it if you want but don't try and tell me I am wrong I know what I have seen and If i am in the mood I will express my disappointment for the game and for Sigil.
If the game were great I would be here saying so but even most hardcore fans have said the game has issues.
I agree with most of what you said except the part about it going down hill when SOE got involved. This game has had issues long before SOE. Back then the responses were always "it's just beta, you shouldn't expect polish." However, we are now about 9 days from release and those "it's just beta" responses just don't cut it.
Hey, I want VG to be good. Right now, in my opinion, it is not. I will try it in 6 months to a year to see if it is improved.
And one other thing, I have played it this entire past week hoping the latest patch would fix some of the performance issues. Unfortunately, I don't share the sentiments that the performance is improved enough to make this game ready for release.
I agree completely. I stopped playing for a few days to allow some patches and bug fixes to be implemented in hopes that it would improve the lag, graphics issues, gameplay, etc. So, I logged in yesterday and I did not notice that it was any better. I will not argue with other opinions, but I have experienced this game for myself and have seen the condition it is in. I REALLY wanted to like this game and had high hopes for what it was supposed to offer. Sadly, it is nothing like Sigil promised or that I had envisioned at this stage in the develpoment cycle. And yes, I said development cycle. I cannot remotely come close to saying this game is ready for release. It has way too many problems to be considered a final release product, especially one due out in 9 days. I have played just about every mmorpg out there and this looked promising, unfortunately SOE and Sigil are pushing it out the door too soon in my opinion. Maybe I will look at it again in a few months, but there is no way I will purchase this game at this point.
And before anyone wants to tell me to upgrade my system, I have the lastest and best hardware available. I can run ANY game with ALL settings maxed without a single problem. So, it is not my system, it is the coding within the game itself. It is not a fluke or coincidence that so many people are having graphics issues on a wide variety of systems and hardware. Doubt me? Look at the forums, you will find plenty of posts complaining of this and many other issues.
These are my opinions, however they are firmly based on facts from personal experiences while playing Vanguard. Yes, there will be may that disagree with me. Thats ok, because we all have opinions and varying tastes. For me, Vanguard just is not tasting very good right now.
I guess I have just not had the serious lag issues you guys are talking about? The ping bar being red? now that I have seen specialy in the big towns. But after last nights patch that seems to be gone. I do get the pause when crossing the non caugh server line. But its short and playable for me.
I also get the bug where my character has a mind of its own when it comes to looks. I suspect this will be fixed as soon as they figure out whats causing it. Still not a game stoper issue for me. I do play with the camera set back a little so I can see my character and his combat moves which brings me to just that combat moves. I dont get the complaining on this one other than my ranger throwing his critical arrow instead of shooting it with his bow.
The diplomacy is really cool and once your high enough you can change the economics and fighting abilites in the area your in with it.That has been promised by several games and never worked.
The sound issues,well I will admitt here I dont play with the music at all, I do keep the sound on always,I enjoy hearing the swords clanging and other sound bites of battle.
The Crafting system is not the best I have ever seen. (Wurm Online holds that title) But its still pretty damn good and very challenging which to me a very old time crafter says alot. I need the challenging system to keep me interested the one button gig just does not cut it for me.
Will this game launch as smooth as the best I have seen, (Daoc holds that title)doubt it.
But looking back over all the MMO games I have played over these past years I feel this one has some staying power to it. Which is exactly what im looking for.
M59 beta till 1 year after release. UO alpha/Beta till 6 years after release. Daoc/beta till over a year. EQ/Beta for 6 months at best. L1 beta to 6 months.PE/Beta for over a year.SWG/beta to 6 months.Horizons/Beta 6 months.L2/Beta for 6 months.EQ2/Beta for 6 months maybe.Irth Online/Beta over a year.D&D /beta 6 months and a host of others that I only beta tested that either never made it to retail or just were not enough for me to committ to the monthly.
Notice out of that list above UO held me for 6 years. Why? it was sure not the graphics. It just had so much you could do. The crafting,The housing,Ships and mounts along with fun pvp. I was a anti pk so my fun was in killing the reds not ganking unsuspecting noobs.
Which bring me to the point of Vanguard and the similarites with UO. UO and vanguard have alot of similarites with the exception of the pvp which is why I think it will have the staying power to be a long lasting great game. UO from out of the box I heard all the doom sayers its never gonna make it blah blah blah. Hello People its still going hehe.
I just think all you doom sayers are fly by nights who really dont know a good game when you see one. sure the game has some issues but every single mmo I have played has had bugs. Its just part of the way it works.
I for one will spend at least the next 6 months helping to make the game better.
played M59,UO,lineage,EQ,Daoc,Entropia,SWG,Horizons,Lineage2.EQ2,Vangaurd,Irth online, DarkFall,Star Trek and many others that did not make the cut or i just plain forgetting about.
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Everyone has their own opinon/comments; allow me to post mine:
1.) Performance: Wow unless you guys have your settings full blast I have to admit that my system is nothing compared to yours and I've had very very very litlte issues.
a.) AMD Athalon XP 2100~1.7Gig; this processor is what? (2-3 years old), Motherboard (2-3yrs old), 1 Gig Mushkin Black RAM (1yr old), GeForce 7800 GS AGP 256mb (less than 6 months old).
b.) Anyways the only problems I'm having is studdering, when the game first loads, at Character Creation Screen the music will pause a brief moment, and or crackle (probably due to my processor), when I'm in game and I'm moving around sometimes it freezes up for a min (total) but for the most part I can play the game. I dont have my settings full blast, in fact I'm probably running 1024x768, though I will have to confirm.
c.) On this performance thing, isnt it a possiblity that Vanguard was made like that of EverQuest 2 that its built for years to come for upgrades etc. That no rig can fully support what Vanguard has to offer? For instance when EverQuest 2 was released on launch day back in November of 2004, it could already support resolutions past 2000x2000 (or something like that); but not very many monitors out there supported that high. So isnt it a possiblity that those that have new gaming systems/upgrades that if you choose a high setting you'll still lag because perhaps that neither can fully support all that Vanguard has to offer? (this is just a theory)
2.) Someone mentioned that Vanguard is the only title to be released this year that is well overdue; allow me to mention "Lord of the Rings Online: Shadows of Angmar". I beta tested that game and am anticipating it too.
3.) I think the main reason I'm getting Vanguard is the fact that its already inlcuded into the Station Access Pass, I already play EverQuest 1 and 2, and or SWG so adding Vanguard doesnt up my price any
4.) Its probably true to almost any product released that there will be bugs. I bet you that if youre using any Beta version of Vista you're saying to yourself "Dont release it to the public on January 30th 2007, its not ready yet" but either way we look at it, there will be updates available. So you can either choose to wait 6 months and download a couple gigs of patches or upgrade as you go from day to day. This statement isnt to convert you to buy it, I'm just saying it would be easier to me to get updated patches rather than waiting 6 months and buy January 30ths retail version and then download 2-4gigs of patches and wait from 1hr to 10hrs.
Actally you misread that if your taking about my post (assuming that becuase I didn't notice any other comment like that) I stated that Vanguard is the first title that has been released in a long time thats any good not the 'only title', and yes LOTR looks good, I hope to get access at least to give my 2 copper on it but thats another topic..
Bring on the WARRRRGGHH!
It is early, we all know that, i think that we sure have come to expect a really polished game ala. WoW, and why not? as the consumers we have all gotten used to 'early' games and continue to think that is is acceptable, by making excuses for the Dev. and the 'money' behind these games. Another thing LOTRO has going for it i might add
Its early, yes. but it has become the norm, let those that are okay with this trend pay for the lazy, greedy, Dev. teams, and 'money' company's behind these games, to finish the 'beta' for us. they have been doing it for far too long, and will continue to do it.
LOTRO will have my pre-order money, and i dont often pre-order anything.
I experience bugs last night that I had not experienced before. My newly-rolled character was respawning far from the nearest altar, and actually quite far from any altar. Older bugs do not seem to be going away. The frequency of combat encounters where the mob I was fighting disappeared increased. I was actually told "cannot see opponent" in the middle of an effing open field, and it was effing killing me! The frequency of encounters where the mob's actual remaining life was not reflected in its displayed life also has not seemed to me to have decreased, in spite of published bug fix reports saying the problem has diminished. You've heard tell of the character graphics, and the stories are true.
I like the game, but it is being pushed out the door too soon. There has been a surprising amount of improvement since start of Beta 5, but there is still a substantial amount of improvement needed.
Vanguard would have been a good game if SOE never had their hands on it. Since SOE is the distributor, Vanguard will be released too soon, never fix key bugs, and milk players money for a product that will never feel finished. I was sickened by thier shoveling out the expansions and adventure packs that had to be purchased instead of adressing the issues players cared about.
I will never play another SOE game again.
Vanguard died for me. It's probably the only game next to SWG that I played for a single week that I quit. Not because of difficulty, but strictly because McDonald - er McQuacker - errr damn it : MCQUAID tried to use a formula that WoW already perfected and then some. Am I a WoW fanboy? No. I do play though, and I do like it. I play all games anyway...but Vanguard? No thank you.
Gameplay > GRAFFIXZ0mgWIND!!?!@?@3?!
hmm 'WoW perfected formula'? Hmm.. Vanguard isn't a watered down mix of well.. everything, cuz thats WoW in a nutshell, in fact it's the complete reverse, cafting and diplomicy are far more complex then WoW's 'push one button n' go' systems' and the combat requires a tad more thinking then button spammage, although the combat system is well kinda standard for any MMO. Anyone thats played a week in Vanguard (even if they havn't reached lvl 10 yet), will tell you there is a lot more to offer in it then WoW had when it started and it's far more deep then what you are making out it to be.
So how one question how is Vanguard using the supposed 'WoW formula' again? Are you a WoW fanboi? Quite Possibily.. Are you prejugding a game you probly havn't played properly or even at all, purly on the basis the UI looks 'WoW-est'? Most Deffinatly.
You my friend have jumped on board the flaming wagon as it's currently 'cool' to flame Vanguard, and you come out with sorry the most crazyest statment of all 'Vanguard copied WoW and I've played Vanguard so it's true' the players who claimed that VG was 'WoW-est' at least admitted they hadn't played the game yet. Word to the wise, not every game out there will attempt to 'clone' WoW Vanguard's one of those games, so by doing the 'it's WoW!' excuse is very invaild here. The 'problem' with Vanguard is techical not the gameplay, you could at least read peoples problems with the game first to see why they aren't intending on getting it before you tried the 'WoW clone' card.
NB: This topic was ment to correct not flame a clealy false statement about Vanguard, in the real world we call that slander.
Bring on the WARRRRGGHH!
- Paladin, Warrior, Dread Knight, Ranger, Cleric, Sorcerer, Shaman - New particles and animations have been added
Maybe there is a good story hidden there somewhere, and maybe the wide open exploration thing'll be fun enough to ignore the huge amounts of lag and crappy sound.
I'm actually pretty bummed about it, I thought and hoped it would be a lot more playable.
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What does the number of posts have to do with anything?
gpett makes a good point about Sony's business practices.
When I quit FFXI they continued to charge my credit card for months and every month I would go and quit all over again it took 3 months to finally straighten it out but I did not get a refund. I may have been able to if I had called my bank right away.
Try this, next time your mother, or wife, or whoever is baking a cake, tell her how much is sucks before its done cooking.
ignorance is bliss
Don't look surpised if in 1-2 years SoE buys Vanguard from Brad if the game isnt growing fast enough.sort of like lag in beta wow was only because they were stress testing? then the lag remained and was just as horrid for the next 3-6 months (depending on your server). hyjal was notorious for just not being there for long periods of time.
could we please get correspondent writers and moderators, on the eve forum at mmorpg.com, who are well-versed on eve-online and aren't just passersby pushing buttons? pretty please?
What does the number of posts have to do with anything?
gpett makes a good point about Sony's business practices.
When I quit FFXI they continued to charge my credit card for months and every month I would go and quit all over again it took 3 months to finally straighten it out but I did not get a refund. I may have been able to if I had called my bank right away.
It was not a good point. What does Sony's business practice have to do with the poor shape VG is in?Funny thing is I remember WoW having animation and choppy graphics issues even near the end of open beta...
Ive been playing Vanguard beta for about a week now and while ive had some client crashes its been pretty good, theres a bit of choppyness whenever new chunks load but im sure that will tone down when they remove debug mode. It only took a small amount of tweaking to get my 7900 to run at 40+fps
Im actually fairly happy with the animations so far. I dont really know why people are complaining, they look smooth and accurate. Large class selection, lots of races, crafting is absolutely amazing and is NOT boring.. Diplomacy is a cool card-game type thing. The quests are a bit fed-ex but still full of lore and mystery. The world is HUUUUGE, non instanced.. no load screens!!.. You can get transportation quite early too.. ive seen chars at level 15ish riding horses. Cant wait to get a flying mount and go ANYWHERE..
. I look at this game sometimes and go, hmm this is what Dark and Light were trying to do but failed.
Theres been a patch almost daily for the last week.. these guys at Sigil are busting their asses u can tell.. I think itl be a decent if not better WoW alternative, and overall id say the graphics are a B+, even in beta/debug mode.
Definitely worth giving it a try. A bit shy of mcquaid's '3rd generation' mmo but id say right now its a 2 and a half.
Reminds me of the SWG launch and EQ2 launch , it had issues but alot of "could be great" with better management . I rank the management team up thier with Shadowbane folks, I ve never seen development or QA this hostile in a few years. My roommate loves the game but I upgraded to the recommended stuff and additional 1 gig memory , it still ran pretty crappy.
Not sure , if I m willing to buy it at its current state , unless they bundle it with EQ2 , or something. It just doesnt seem to up to snuff on alot of issues.
As for Gold turn around , yeah its been proclaimed for over 10 years now and nothing short of God laying hands on it is gonna fix it. We ve seen this kinda thing for ages now , if its in the station pass , I ll buy it mostly for my roommate.
Dont get me wrong , its not a total piece of crap like Carp Diem or Archlord , or Final Fantasy XI , its the cross between the development team and the product itself. I say around 4 months it ll be worth playing , but I m not gonna upgrade my PC anymore for this game.
If it doesnt run on recommended , I would rather just stick to EQ2 .
It just seems that most of you that think this game will fail have probebly not been playing after last saterday, cause if you had done so then (if you had the right system) you should have noticed major improvments as in totaly no lag anymore (atleast for me) wich is understandeble as the where running the game now without the beta backup programs running, sounds have greatly been improved as i found that very anoying at times, ever since saterday it felt as stabel as any other mmorpg including WOW..YES JUST AS STABEL AS WOW (atleast again for me it did). Animations of NPC and speech are soo cool now .The whole game is more based of what a mmorpg must be then any other mmorpg at this moment, ready for release "HELL yeah" its about time i can creaste my new character that will survive instead of my beta character who will be moved to the test servers. The only people that can say they did not like the game after last saterday is because they don't understand mmorpg, they don't have the system for it to play good ,mind you that it is foolish to say to not buy upgrades or buy a better system just becauce of this game because maybe some of you haven't noticed this but times moves on meaning games will get more complex so you're not going to upgrade for just this game but you will be upgrading to just be able to get into the new games that are comming down the road. And they have experiance VSoH as a empty looking game because they totaly forgot that its us the comunity who will setup housing,towns,shops ect.... wich will make the world come more alive and that can be the reall feeling of a mmorpg to be able to creat a guild and really have a holdingground what you can call home(ingame)
When i stepped in VSOH a month ago i was like " to bad this game could have gone somewhere" but it felt still better then last new beta's in 2006 but still it didn't feel like the game i wanted or was waiting for. Well Sigil has shown me what they are capeble of in for me experiance less then a month they really turned the game around in the way i'm not letting go of this game.
It really turned out to be the game i was looking for .for a long time now.
I understand if your experiance is somewhat slim as for example WOW was your first mmorpg then VSoH miught be much to complex for you to handle so in that way i understand those that didn't find VSoH to become a good game.
Those for reall love for mmorpg will definitly get into that game, afcourse if your system lets you
EQ1, EQ2, SWG, SWTOR, GW, GW2 CoH, CoV, FFXI, WoW, CO, War,TSW and a slew of free trials and beta tests
just curious, when did you play, after last updates or before ? and what system do you ? do you even like mmorpg? not ment disrespectfull but just really curious (being 30+ meself might have to do with seeing things diverently)
For those real gamers that have been at beginning of game releases all know not one mmorpg hit the ground solid, WOW managed to become a solid piece of game after about 6 months also had lots of problems at the beginning, its just these new breed of gamers that shared wow experiance and now think every game should start as stabel as WOW is currently is and unable to understand the real possibilt's of a mmorpg
I think this game started to go down hill as soon as Sony got involved.
None of the station games I have played are very good. It seems like they give you a large assortment of lower quality games to try and keep you entertained and they charge you over and over for the expansion packs which means no real content will be added to the game unless you pay more then the monthly fee.
As far as last Saturdays patch making game play better, I tried to log in yesterday and my toon was stuck in place for about 20 minutes then the lag was so bad I decided to just log out.
This is not fun.
The bottom line is that you will play it if you want but don't try and tell me I am wrong I know what I have seen and If i am in the mood I will express my disappointment for the game and for Sigil.
If the game were great I would be here saying so but even most hardcore fans have said the game has issues.
LOL that was pretty good man
Except the cake is out of the oven and its a goey mess all over the floor.
Its beta 5 this is when they show the game to the world and do the the final tweaks.
There should not be huge issues at this point but there are.
I think this game started to go down hill as soon as Sony got involved.
None of the station games I have played are very good. It seems like they give you a large assortment of lower quality games to try and keep you entertained and they charge you over and over for the expansion packs which means no real content will be added to the game unless you pay more then the monthly fee.
As far as last Saturdays patch making game play better, I tried to log in yesterday and my toon was stuck in place for about 20 minutes then the lag was so bad I decided to just log out.
This is not fun.
The bottom line is that you will play it if you want but don't try and tell me I am wrong I know what I have seen and If i am in the mood I will express my disappointment for the game and for Sigil.
If the game were great I would be here saying so but even most hardcore fans have said the game has issues.
I agree with most of what you said except the part about it going down hill when SOE got involved. This game has had issues long before SOE. Back then the responses were always "it's just beta, you shouldn't expect polish." However, we are now about 9 days from release and those "it's just beta" responses just don't cut it.Hey, I want VG to be good. Right now, in my opinion, it is not. I will try it in 6 months to a year to see if it is improved.
And one other thing, I have played it this entire past week hoping the latest patch would fix some of the performance issues. Unfortunately, I don't share the sentiments that the performance is improved enough to make this game ready for release.
And before anyone wants to tell me to upgrade my system, I have the lastest and best hardware available. I can run ANY game with ALL settings maxed without a single problem. So, it is not my system, it is the coding within the game itself. It is not a fluke or coincidence that so many people are having graphics issues on a wide variety of systems and hardware. Doubt me? Look at the forums, you will find plenty of posts complaining of this and many other issues.
These are my opinions, however they are firmly based on facts from personal experiences while playing Vanguard. Yes, there will be may that disagree with me. Thats ok, because we all have opinions and varying tastes. For me, Vanguard just is not tasting very good right now.
I guess I have just not had the serious lag issues you guys are talking about? The ping bar being red? now that I have seen specialy in the big towns. But after last nights patch that seems to be gone. I do get the pause when crossing the non caugh server line. But its short and playable for me.
I also get the bug where my character has a mind of its own when it comes to looks. I suspect this will be fixed as soon as they figure out whats causing it. Still not a game stoper issue for me. I do play with the camera set back a little so I can see my character and his combat moves which brings me to just that combat moves. I dont get the complaining on this one other than my ranger throwing his critical arrow instead of shooting it with his bow.
The diplomacy is really cool and once your high enough you can change the economics and fighting abilites in the area your in with it.That has been promised by several games and never worked.
The sound issues,well I will admitt here I dont play with the music at all, I do keep the sound on always,I enjoy hearing the swords clanging and other sound bites of battle.
The Crafting system is not the best I have ever seen. (Wurm Online holds that title) But its still pretty damn good and very challenging which to me a very old time crafter says alot. I need the challenging system to keep me interested the one button gig just does not cut it for me.
Will this game launch as smooth as the best I have seen, (Daoc holds that title)doubt it.
But looking back over all the MMO games I have played over these past years I feel this one has some staying power to it. Which is exactly what im looking for.
M59 beta till 1 year after release. UO alpha/Beta till 6 years after release. Daoc/beta till over a year. EQ/Beta for 6 months at best. L1 beta to 6 months.PE/Beta for over a year.SWG/beta to 6 months.Horizons/Beta 6 months.L2/Beta for 6 months.EQ2/Beta for 6 months maybe.Irth Online/Beta over a year.D&D /beta 6 months and a host of others that I only beta tested that either never made it to retail or just were not enough for me to committ to the monthly.
Notice out of that list above UO held me for 6 years. Why? it was sure not the graphics. It just had so much you could do. The crafting,The housing,Ships and mounts along with fun pvp. I was a anti pk so my fun was in killing the reds not ganking unsuspecting noobs.
Which bring me to the point of Vanguard and the similarites with UO. UO and vanguard have alot of similarites with the exception of the pvp which is why I think it will have the staying power to be a long lasting great game. UO from out of the box I heard all the doom sayers its never gonna make it blah blah blah. Hello People its still going hehe.
I just think all you doom sayers are fly by nights who really dont know a good game when you see one. sure the game has some issues but every single mmo I have played has had bugs. Its just part of the way it works.
I for one will spend at least the next 6 months helping to make the game better.
played M59,UO,lineage,EQ,Daoc,Entropia,SWG,Horizons,Lineage2.EQ2,Vangaurd,Irth online, DarkFall,Star Trek
and many others that did not make the cut or i just plain forgetting about.