"One thing that has changed so far, it’s very funny to see the raider vs. non-raider fights break out. I play on a PvP server and the guilds who were notorious for having a large advantage because of their item power level are now constantly being assaulted by guilds that formerly where powerless against them. Because the gear is so strong in the expansion, players in green items can beat some of the old players in their epics. It leads me to wonder, even though it’s the same type of quests and same faction grind, it will be a lot of fun to see the new order of players rise as old guilds fall. I find this story more compelling than Illidan at the moment." Now THAT'S funny as heck. You have to wonder how elitist hardcore raiding guild like WoW designer Jeff Kaplan's Fires of Heaven (One of the few WoW guilds ever allowed a FREE transfer from a PvE to PvP server) are doing now that they don't have the crutch from all their MC, AQ and Naxx grinding. Maybe WoW actually has a chance of becoming a little more skill based - or at least offering a more even playing field and no longer catering to hardcore raiders.
Agreed
If you think we are being uncharitable in our opinions, Google FoH and look up their website. Then go back with your casual epics (assuming you are on Black Dragonflight) and gank the nearest FoH member untill they logout. Trust me, you'd be doing us all a favor
I am a casual player, not so by lot of hours I've been putting at WoW lately, but in general. I don't like raiding, I like leveling, and solo play whenever I get home from work. And I very much like the expansion. I can solo just about every quest so far (I'm lvl 61 now), and I made Draenei and Blood elf chars too up to levels 13 and 15. I won't drag much about little details, but the expansion is FUN. Loads of new content, and you can feel good mood among players, exploring and actually helping each other. I think this is sure among the BEST expansions in MMORPGs, and I played many. I'm sorry MMORPG.com, but some of your staff is very very biased, this includes people glorifying extremely boring games like Saga of Ryzom.
I could have went with this expansion or got Vanguard. I am very happy with Vanguard pre-order. Have to say though that after reading all of this that it does sound like some very interesting things are in the game though bundled with some very boring things. I still have to say that it does make me think of trying the expansion. I will just wait though. Will be able to know more later.
I was really looking forward in december for BC so i ordered it and it arived last Thuesday, installed it, 2 updates, login worked perfectly, went for Draeni, pass the little intro, saw the starters area walked towards the first quest giver and really thought to meself why in earth would i contineu, first of i've been a hugh fan of WOW (lets face it there wasn't much else that felt as stabel) but i was/am in Vanguard beta and especialy after today's update's that game is really the game i was waiting for. I had some awesome times en pleasureble experiances in WOW but i have noticed that i really like to move forward, amaze meself with new surrouding, BC might look somewhat new but it al comes at me as the same.
Afcourse WOW will stay succesfull cause for now its still the most stabel game to be played on any type of computer system. But for everyone that keeps their system uptodate as in high-end systems they will definitly move on to the more evolved kind of mmorpg's like Vanguard and LotrO.
People that have played Vanguard after today's update really got the feel what the game will be like, those that havn't played after today's update have missed alott. (noticed that lag also really depended on wich b.server you played as Server 1 was laggy as hell when i tried as Server 3 wich i played all beta is completly lag free, so the more server the beter it will get for those that might still have some lag)
So my conclusion about BC is that it will survive aslong people don't upgrade there systems. And afcourse those that became really commited as in guild/factions will stick to their game.The tactic of Blizzard is fantastic i mean i'm sure if every mmorpg gave out a free 10 day trail for like 6 months in a year you be sure to atleast keep some of them to sign a sub-fee after the trail. The thing what holds back i think for most people is the lack of being able to really tryout a game before you start spending money on it. And this again is something Blizzard has done with succes.
Vanguard servers closing down the 23th of Jan. to be opened the 30th of Jan. (atleast if all goes well so might hopin and try to experiance BC a little more, besides still got my Un-Epic Weak Orcy lvl 60 Shaman
I played WoW heavily for about 8 months and i was in full tier 2. I quit about 3-4 months ago because after you gain all your epics, something you push forward to do, there really is no more fun to the game. I personally hate games that make you grind constantly and when you hit 60 in WoW, without the expansion, all you did at 60 was grind for more stuff. Hell even pvp was a friggin grind. My friends asked me if i was going to buy TBC and I looked at all of them and laughed, because to tell you the truth I don't even care that the game came out. WoW in my eyes is way to popular and i'm hoping with some good games coming out soon the whole WoW hype will die down. I also hate the fact about the MMO world that about 90-95% of the games are fantasy based games and 50-60% of them model WoW. Thats why i play certain games like Aces High II, a WWII flight sim MMO, WWII Online, and Eve Online, and i'm also looking forward for Pirates of the Burning Sea. All these games give me something different in a computer game. They aren't all just the same old fantasy game with a different story line and same old warrior vs mage/sorcerer classes. And they don't force you to grind and obviously they all have great PVP
Bah! Nothing new in WoW's overly hyped expansion but I guess everyone knew it would happen although many hoped for something better, something new. The opening poster seem to be a pro WOW gamer and he said its just a lot more of the same unimaginative...same old.
The expansion is unbelievably fun. I'm having a ball. All my friends love it. My guildmates love it. I haven't met a single person in game who doesn't love it.
Bottom line, if you don't like WoW the expansion won't change your mind. But if you are one of the 8 million people who do like WoW this expansion rocks!!
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"It will take two years for people to get bored with this product due to lack of content."
This quote from the editorial pretty much sums up WoW as a whole; in that WoW at one point or another becomes a boring game and this expansion has merely prolonged its eventual mass decline in subscribers and players.
....."if you're one of the 8 million people who love WoW" someone wrote.
First off, this figure of 8 million players WoW loves to over hype to the gaming world may not even be true. With this said, even if it's true that this figure existed, it's 8 million who have played this game at one time or other. Not 8 million current suscribers. Besides, with as many servers as the game currently has, do you in your wildest dreams really think it's holding 8 million players worldwide? Pluzzeee!!!
I think just as many dislike the game and the bulk who do played it at some time or other. These players are part of the figure WoW constantly throws around. It's like every time someone registered the game to play it, a little bell goes off, ding! That player gets counted as do all others who played it. At the end they all add the final figure but that dosen't mean they all loved it, many have already left because they don't like it for whatever the reason but they still get counted.
8 million people love WoW.../gasp* choke*, pftth!!!
Most of your article was spot on, with the exception of one very important thing. You claim 2 years worth of material from this expansion. Ah, I remember your optimism the first time I loaded the beta client. I was all charmed by the Burning Crusade all the way till 70. Then, I realized I had nothing to do. Well, not exactly nothing. I mean, I could grind for faction. I could grind the pvp arenas for the best pvp gear. I could even grind the endless array of raids for bind on pickup gear which lovingly greet you at 70. I could even take my brand spankin' new uber fast flying mount out for a ride.
But in the end, it's the same old wow. Nothing really new, creative, or unique. Leveling up is an absolute blast, but even the slowest player will get to 70 in six months, 3 months for normal late bloomers, 1.5 to 2 months for the "average" gamer, 2 weeks to 1 month for the stereotypical raider, and under a week for the red bull charged psychos out there. Sure, raids are 25-man now rather then 40-man, but there's not much difference. Even the supposed savior 10-man raid is a pure joke compared to the real raids. Crafting has barely been expanded upon, and of the new recipes, they're either bind on pickup (Yes, you now can use your TRADEskill to make bind on pickup gear), or so worthless that you can't sell. Heck, level 62 greens are better then level 70 crafted items. It's real bad.
So enjoy leveling as much as you possibly can. Besides the always stunning artistic work of Blizzard, leveling is the only real redeeming quality of this expansion. Enjoy!!
....."if you're one of the 8 million people who love WoW" someone wrote.
First off, this figure of 8 million players WoW loves to over hype to the gaming world may not even be true. With this said, even if it's true that this figure existed, it's 8 million who have played this game at one time or other. Not 8 million current suscribers. Besides, with as many servers as the game currently has, do you in your wildest dreams really think it's holding 8 million players worldwide? Pluzzeee!!!
I think just as many dislike the game and the bulk who do played it at some time or other. These players are part of the figure WoW constantly throws around. It's like every time someone registered the game to play it, a little bell goes off, ding! That player gets counted as do all others who played it. At the end they all add the final figure but that dosen't mean they all loved it, many have already left because they don't like it for whatever the reason but they still get counted.
8 million people love WoW.../gasp* choke*, pftth!!!
You don't read do you? In their press release they specifcally exclude cancelled and expired subscriptions from that number.
As to the servers, that's a worldwide figure. When you look at the server list, you don't see all the WoW servers. You only see the list of North American servers.
Sorry to bust your bubble Skippy, but just because you don't like the game doesn't change the math.
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I like what Blizzard has offered so far. I'll remain sceptical about the new end game. I guess it will take a while until I reach it.
I'm always on the look out for new MMORPGs out there. But unlike what's common in these forums, I take the gameplay on face value. I care little about the hype (aka people filling in the gaps with their imagination), the potential gameplay (aka the game mechanics that are yet to be proven to be fun) and the promised gameplay (aka the promise that the bugs will be fixed and the game will be playable in 1 or 2 or X months from release).
What matters is fun. If you're having fun, you are generally don't hang around forums alot. There are exceptions of course (like me taking a break from work hehe).
I like what Blizzard has offered so far. I'll remain sceptical about the new end game. I guess it will take a while until I reach it.
I'm always on the look out for new MMORPGs out there. But unlike what's common in these forums, I take the gameplay on face value. I care little about the hype (aka people filling in the gaps with their imagination), the potential gameplay (aka the game mechanics that are yet to be proven to be fun) and the promised gameplay (aka the promise that the bugs will be fixed and the game will be playable in 1 or 2 or X months from release).
What matters is fun. If you're having fun, you are generally don't hang around forums alot. There are exceptions of course (like me taking a break from work hehe).
Have fun with anything you choose to play.
Well said Xasapis,
I'm the same way, unfortunatly the gear race that WoW is stuck in ceased to be fun for me... I'm getting daily fun report from my girlfriend whose playing BC though.
She loves it, but then again, she only has one 60 and never burned herself out on the original content
Retired from WoW Rebellion - 60 Warlock || Kalaa - 60 Warrior Littlerebel - 60 Hunter || Albie - 60 Shaman Played: Erm, a lot more.
This expansion adds absolutely nothing to the game. It really kicked the die-hards in the pants. 10 minutes into the new content and those epics they grinded 4 months for are now obsolete. Jewelcrafting is just as boring as all the other professions and the faction grind is now at an all time high.
Now that there is no difference in the Horde or Alliance, I think Blizzard has achieved their goal, of not allowing for any uniqueness.
Sure millions of people will be playing this game for some time, but if you put millions of rats in a cage and gave them a treat everytime they hit the feeder bar, they would do the same thing.
This expansion is nothing more than a quick greedy update. Blizzard isn't even trying to draw in older players by not giving away a free month with their $40 expansion.
The fact that you can only have a flying mount in outland is really silly imho. Whats the point?
I guess WOW has turned into World of Outland because now there is no need to go back to that big beautiful world of the past.
I just don't get this expansion.
I'll be playing UO until someone can learn to make an in depth mmo like they used to make 10 years ago.
Look at it this way. The level cap was raised to 70, your gear would become obsolete in any case. If you had tier2/ tier3 gear, they will probably last you until around 64-65 for the most part. The number would be lower if people were more familiar with jewel-crafting. In any case, the level 60 gear served their purpose, that being, helping the progress of your guild in the high end instances. New, harder instances are out, so you need new gear to compensate again, something to be expected I guess.
I guess most people feel bad about the loss of status that their gear present. The best guilds in every server tend to attract the most skilled people, thus they are usually the ones having access to the best equipment any dungeon could offer. With the expansion everything was reset, so the old-timers feel the strip of their raid medallions (so to speak)(and only for those that were there for the first kills, the rest don't even deserve to utter the words "epics are easy").
I have the feeling that the end content will be there. Blizzard managed to cater before for both the hardcore (abeit with not alot of free time) crowd and the casual (relaxed) people. If it's not there, we'll move on. Hopefully by the time we done exploring the new content, there will be more MMORPG of equal quality and with fun enough gameplay to keep us occupied.
Look at it this way. The level cap was raised to 70, your gear would become obsolete in any case. If you had tier2/ tier3 gear, they will probably last you until around 64-65 for the most part. The number would be lower if people were more familiar with jewel-crafting. In any case, the level 60 gear served their purpose, that being, helping the progress of your guild in the high end instances. New, harder instances are out, so you need new gear to compensate again, something to be expected I guess.
I guess most people feel bad about the loss of status that their gear present. The best guilds in every server tend to attract the most skilled people, thus they are usually the ones having access to the best equipment any dungeon could offer. With the expansion everything was reset, so the old-timers feel the strip of their raid medallions (so to speak)(and only for those that were there for the first kills, the rest don't even deserve to utter the words "epics are easy").
I have the feeling that the end content will be there. Blizzard managed to cater before for both the hardcore (abeit with not alot of free time) crowd and the casual (relaxed) people. If it's not there, we'll move on. Hopefully by the time we done exploring the new content, there will be more MMORPG of equal quality and with fun enough gameplay to keep us occupied.
i think you hit the nail on the head.
all the "established" guilds with tier 2/3, aq40 gear, all the PVP gods with full warlords/grandmarshals sets......
Blizzard just reset the playing field so all of their shiny epics aren't as shiny anymore. this makes them angry because they are no longer top dogs.
They probably will be top dogs once they get to 70 and start raiding again, but people are just pissed that Blizzard reset the playing field.
i have many epics (6/8 tier 1 and other MC/ZG/AQ20 gear) but im trying to replace them with kick ass new greens/blues from Outland... why? MUCH cheaper repair bills when you are wearing plate
All I have to say is I played WoW without BC, i am not a hardcore gamer, by that i mean i don't spend every minute of my life on the game, sorry i have a life
Yet i do spend a good bit, and i went out and got BC the day after it came out, only to come up with more of a reason to quit, so many people enjoy playing it, but all you have do is press buttons, absolutely no skill involved the new areas and new instance, yes they are new more quests but it is just same old lets grind and get gear for end game that is pretty boring as it is
Sorry but i do have to say i can't wait for a game to come out that has more of a user hands on skill required to play
i think MMORPG.com needs to have an OpEd piece about WoW by someone who is not soooooooo biased.... not just saying this because I completely disagree, but there isn't any objectivity in this piece.. Like everyone else, of course entitled to their own opinion, but to post this as an editorial review is a joke only way to counter is have someone else on staff who is just as biased (but from opposite end of spectrum) post their impressions
What Jon has said is fairly negative but you as a lot of other people are taking it as biased? It is biased if he doesn’t like WoW but he does. Everything he has written was correct, the expansion is the same game with more faction grinding. What exactly do you want him to write? Oh the games got loads of new content... No wait its actually got lots more of the same content.
In short he’s said what he feels about the expansion and every word of it was correct.
you are right that he has stated his opinion, but to say every word is correct is false as opinions by their very nature are neither correct nor are they incorrect... they are simply one's opinion. A matter of perspective and individual experience.
i can't remember who said it, but if you didn't like/don't like WoW you are not going to like TBC.
I love WoW and I love TBC.
just found it funny that for all the "haters" who dislike WoW for one reason or another they get Jon to post an extremely negative review of TBC as a "see told ya so! WoW sux!" for all the haters to eat up
If you can, please find me an MMO without a grind (for anything) and quests that are not more of the same. i'll be waiting. and no one say Vanguard because that is simply a lie, quests are exactly the same, but there is more of a grind to make it "hardcore"
WoW IMO simply has the best and most fun "grind" and the most interesting quests and environments in which to quest. Those who say it's just a button mash do not know how to play their character, and those who says it requires no skill must have been sleeping through the 50+ instances/raids, or they never got a toon that high in level.
All in my opinion, of course. call me a "fanboi" but i'm not trying to write an OpEd piece as an objective review
All I have to say is I played WoW without BC, i am not a hardcore gamer, by that i mean i don't spend every minute of my life on the game, sorry i have a life Yet i do spend a good bit, and i went out and got BC the day after it came out, only to come up with more of a reason to quit, so many people enjoy playing it, but all you have do is press buttons, absolutely no skill involved the new areas and new instance, yes they are new more quests but it is just same old lets grind and get gear for end game that is pretty boring as it is Sorry but i do have to say i can't wait for a game to come out that has more of a user hands on skill required to play
Let me get this straight ...
You want a game that is more accessible than WoW in terms of accomplishment since you don't have the time to play it while on the same time you want something that is complex enough that you can brag about your skills in it? I can think of one game like this, chess. But that's not a computer game (not really). Which game currently in the market come close to the game you envision as the best for you?
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If you think we are being uncharitable in our opinions, Google FoH and look up their website. Then go back with your casual epics (assuming you are on Black Dragonflight) and gank the nearest FoH member untill they logout.
And I very much like the expansion. I can solo just about every quest so far (I'm lvl 61 now), and I made Draenei and Blood elf chars too up to levels 13 and 15.
I won't drag much about little details, but the expansion is FUN. Loads of new content, and you can feel good mood among players, exploring and actually helping each other.
I think this is sure among the BEST expansions in MMORPGs, and I played many.
I'm sorry MMORPG.com, but some of your staff is very very biased, this includes people glorifying extremely boring games like Saga of Ryzom.
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I was really looking forward in december for BC so i ordered it and it arived last Thuesday, installed it, 2 updates, login worked perfectly, went for Draeni, pass the little intro, saw the starters area walked towards the first quest giver and really thought to meself why in earth would i contineu, first of i've been a hugh fan of WOW (lets face it there wasn't much else that felt as stabel) but i was/am in Vanguard beta and especialy after today's update's that game is really the game i was waiting for. I had some awesome times en pleasureble experiances in WOW but i have noticed that i really like to move forward, amaze meself with new surrouding, BC might look somewhat new but it al comes at me as the same.
Afcourse WOW will stay succesfull cause for now its still the most stabel game to be played on any type of computer system. But for everyone that keeps their system uptodate as in high-end systems they will definitly move on to the more evolved kind of mmorpg's like Vanguard and LotrO.
People that have played Vanguard after today's update really got the feel what the game will be like, those that havn't played after today's update have missed alott. (noticed that lag also really depended on wich b.server you played as Server 1 was laggy as hell when i tried as Server 3 wich i played all beta is completly lag free, so the more server the beter it will get for those that might still have some lag)
So my conclusion about BC is that it will survive aslong people don't upgrade there systems. And afcourse those that became really commited as in guild/factions will stick to their game.The tactic of Blizzard is fantastic i mean i'm sure if every mmorpg gave out a free 10 day trail for like 6 months in a year you be sure to atleast keep some of them to sign a sub-fee after the trail. The thing what holds back i think for most people is the lack of being able to really tryout a game before you start spending money on it. And this again is something Blizzard has done with succes.
Vanguard servers closing down the 23th of Jan. to be opened the 30th of Jan. (atleast if all goes well
so might hopin and try to experiance BC a little more, besides still got my Un-Epic Weak Orcy lvl 60 Shaman 
Bah! Nothing new in WoW's overly hyped expansion but I guess everyone knew it would happen although many hoped for something better, something new. The opening poster seem to be a pro WOW gamer and he said its just a lot more of the same unimaginative...same old.
game difficulty well balanced
flawles character animations
best feeling and control over the character in pvp.
diablo-like drop and collectionable items, more play more power, more items more people wants them.
I wanted to ask a small question to everyone?
Who is better?????????????
I brought Guildwars(NF) and i'm thinking about WoW
is there any diffrence between GUildwars(NF) and WOW
The expansion is unbelievably fun. I'm having a ball. All my friends love it. My guildmates love it. I haven't met a single person in game who doesn't love it.
Bottom line, if you don't like WoW the expansion won't change your mind. But if you are one of the 8 million people who do like WoW this expansion rocks!!
EQ1, EQ2, SWG, SWTOR, GW, GW2 CoH, CoV, FFXI, WoW, CO, War,TSW and a slew of free trials and beta tests
"It will take two years for people to get bored with this product due to lack of content."
This quote from the editorial pretty much sums up WoW as a whole; in that WoW at one point or another becomes a boring game and this expansion has merely prolonged its eventual mass decline in subscribers and players.
....."if you're one of the 8 million people who love WoW" someone wrote.
First off, this figure of 8 million players WoW loves to over hype to the gaming world may not even be true. With this said, even if it's true that this figure existed, it's 8 million who have played this game at one time or other. Not 8 million current suscribers. Besides, with as many servers as the game currently has, do you in your wildest dreams really think it's holding 8 million players worldwide? Pluzzeee!!!
I think just as many dislike the game and the bulk who do played it at some time or other. These players are part of the figure WoW constantly throws around. It's like every time someone registered the game to play it, a little bell goes off, ding! That player gets counted as do all others who played it. At the end they all add the final figure but that dosen't mean they all loved it, many have already left because they don't like it for whatever the reason but they still get counted.
8 million people love WoW.../gasp* choke*, pftth!!!
Most of your article was spot on, with the exception of one very important thing. You claim 2 years worth of material from this expansion.
Ah, I remember your optimism the first time I loaded the beta client. I was all charmed by the Burning Crusade all the way till 70. Then, I realized I had nothing to do. Well, not exactly nothing. I mean, I could grind for faction. I could grind the pvp arenas for the best pvp gear. I could even grind the endless array of raids for bind on pickup gear which lovingly greet you at 70. I could even take my brand spankin' new uber fast flying mount out for a ride.
But in the end, it's the same old wow. Nothing really new, creative, or unique. Leveling up is an absolute blast, but even the slowest player will get to 70 in six months, 3 months for normal late bloomers, 1.5 to 2 months for the "average" gamer, 2 weeks to 1 month for the stereotypical raider, and under a week for the red bull charged psychos out there. Sure, raids are 25-man now rather then 40-man, but there's not much difference. Even the supposed savior 10-man raid is a pure joke compared to the real raids. Crafting has barely been expanded upon, and of the new recipes, they're either bind on pickup (Yes, you now can use your TRADEskill to make bind on pickup gear), or so worthless that you can't sell. Heck, level 62 greens are better then level 70 crafted items. It's real bad.
So enjoy leveling as much as you possibly can. Besides the always stunning artistic work of Blizzard, leveling is the only real redeeming quality of this expansion. Enjoy!!
You don't read do you? In their press release they specifcally exclude cancelled and expired subscriptions from that number.
As to the servers, that's a worldwide figure. When you look at the server list, you don't see all the WoW servers. You only see the list of North American servers.
Sorry to bust your bubble Skippy, but just because you don't like the game doesn't change the math.
EQ1, EQ2, SWG, SWTOR, GW, GW2 CoH, CoV, FFXI, WoW, CO, War,TSW and a slew of free trials and beta tests
"It is a blue city in which all Horde and Alliance are friendly (boy doesn’t that fit in with the story of the Warcraft Universe really well?)"
Good God that game sucks!
I'm always on the look out for new MMORPGs out there. But unlike what's common in these forums, I take the gameplay on face value. I care little about the hype (aka people filling in the gaps with their imagination), the potential gameplay (aka the game mechanics that are yet to be proven to be fun) and the promised gameplay (aka the promise that the bugs will be fixed and the game will be playable in 1 or 2 or X months from release).
What matters is fun. If you're having fun, you are generally don't hang around forums alot. There are exceptions of course (like me taking a break from work hehe).
Have fun with anything you choose to play.
I'm the same way, unfortunatly the gear race that WoW is stuck in ceased to be fun for me... I'm getting daily fun report from my girlfriend whose playing BC though.
She loves it, but then again, she only has one 60 and never burned herself out on the original content
Retired from WoW
Rebellion - 60 Warlock || Kalaa - 60 Warrior
Littlerebel - 60 Hunter || Albie - 60 Shaman
Played: Erm, a lot more.
This expansion adds absolutely nothing to the game. It really kicked the die-hards in the pants. 10 minutes into the new content and those epics they grinded 4 months for are now obsolete. Jewelcrafting is just as boring as all the other professions and the faction grind is now at an all time high.
Now that there is no difference in the Horde or Alliance, I think Blizzard has achieved their goal, of not allowing for any uniqueness.
Sure millions of people will be playing this game for some time, but if you put millions of rats in a cage and gave them a treat everytime they hit the feeder bar, they would do the same thing.
This expansion is nothing more than a quick greedy update. Blizzard isn't even trying to draw in older players by not giving away a free month with their $40 expansion.
The fact that you can only have a flying mount in outland is really silly imho. Whats the point?
I guess WOW has turned into World of Outland because now there is no need to go back to that big beautiful world of the past.
I just don't get this expansion.
I'll be playing UO until someone can learn to make an in depth mmo like they used to make 10 years ago.
Yawn
I guess most people feel bad about the loss of status that their gear present. The best guilds in every server tend to attract the most skilled people, thus they are usually the ones having access to the best equipment any dungeon could offer. With the expansion everything was reset, so the old-timers feel the strip of their raid medallions (so to speak)(and only for those that were there for the first kills, the rest don't even deserve to utter the words "epics are easy").
I have the feeling that the end content will be there. Blizzard managed to cater before for both the hardcore (abeit with not alot of free time) crowd and the casual (relaxed) people. If it's not there, we'll move on. Hopefully by the time we done exploring the new content, there will be more MMORPG of equal quality and with fun enough gameplay to keep us occupied.
i think you hit the nail on the head.
all the "established" guilds with tier 2/3, aq40 gear, all the PVP gods with full warlords/grandmarshals sets......
Blizzard just reset the playing field so all of their shiny epics aren't as shiny anymore. this makes them angry because they are no longer top dogs.
They probably will be top dogs once they get to 70 and start raiding again, but people are just pissed that Blizzard reset the playing field.
i have many epics (6/8 tier 1 and other MC/ZG/AQ20 gear) but im trying to replace them with kick ass new greens/blues from Outland... why? MUCH cheaper repair bills when you are wearing plate
All I have to say is I played WoW without BC, i am not a hardcore gamer, by that i mean i don't spend every minute of my life on the game, sorry i have a life
Yet i do spend a good bit, and i went out and got BC the day after it came out, only to come up with more of a reason to quit, so many people enjoy playing it, but all you have do is press buttons, absolutely no skill involved the new areas and new instance, yes they are new more quests but it is just same old lets grind and get gear for end game that is pretty boring as it is
Sorry but i do have to say i can't wait for a game to come out that has more of a user hands on skill required to play
i think MMORPG.com needs to have an OpEd piece about WoW by someone who is not soooooooo biased....
not just saying this because I completely disagree, but there isn't any objectivity in this piece..
Like everyone else, of course entitled to their own opinion, but to post this as an editorial review is a joke
only way to counter is have someone else on staff who is just as biased (but from opposite end of spectrum) post their impressions
What Jon has said is fairly negative but you as a lot of other people are taking it as biased? It is biased if he doesn’t like WoW but he does. Everything he has written was correct, the expansion is the same game with more faction grinding. What exactly do you want him to write? Oh the games got loads of new content... No wait its actually got lots more of the same content.
In short he’s said what he feels about the expansion and every word of it was correct.
you are right that he has stated his opinion, but to say every word is correct is false as opinions by their very nature are neither correct nor are they incorrect... they are simply one's opinion. A matter of perspective and individual experience.
i can't remember who said it, but if you didn't like/don't like WoW you are not going to like TBC.
I love WoW and I love TBC.
just found it funny that for all the "haters" who dislike WoW for one reason or another they get Jon to post an extremely negative review of TBC as a "see told ya so! WoW sux!" for all the haters to eat up
If you can, please find me an MMO without a grind (for anything) and quests that are not more of the same. i'll be waiting. and no one say Vanguard because that is simply a lie, quests are exactly the same, but there is more of a grind to make it "hardcore"
WoW IMO simply has the best and most fun "grind" and the most interesting quests and environments in which to quest. Those who say it's just a button mash do not know how to play their character, and those who says it requires no skill must have been sleeping through the 50+ instances/raids, or they never got a toon that high in level.
All in my opinion, of course. call me a "fanboi" but i'm not trying to write an OpEd piece as an objective review
You want a game that is more accessible than WoW in terms of accomplishment since you don't have the time to play it while on the same time you want something that is complex enough that you can brag about your skills in it? I can think of one game like this, chess. But that's not a computer game (not really). Which game currently in the market come close to the game you envision as the best for you?