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I feel kinda sorry for the people that gave up on VG too early
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It's no secret that Vanguard entered Open Beta too early and will release earlier than would be preferred. Brad (CEO) has been brutally honest with everyone as he always is. For financial reasons the game has to be released now if they want to get it out at all. Most people blame SOE but you should really be thanking them since the game would have been out 6 months ago without their support.
With that said when open beta started the game took a bit of a pounding. Some of this was for good reason (Server Stability issues, broken quests, lack of animations, spell effects). It was also an easy target for the naysayers and the bashers that are out there that bash anything just for the sake of bashing,
With the said the Sigil team has worked their butts off in the last 4 weeks and in my mind have just about accomplished the usually impossible. Everyone always says when a game is in beta and just about to be release "There is no uber patch out there that will fix everything". Sigil did actually did almost do this. Not with one uber patch but with many mini-uber patches....patching pretty much 6 to 7 days a week....sometimes 2 patches in 1 day. The game has gotten 100% better since the start of open beta. Many of the things that turned people away have been fixed or implemented better and the game is really shaping up to be awesome. These are some of the things added/fixed in the past few weeks.
1) Server Stability - Zones rarely ever crash now unless devs do extra stress testing in the starting zones - like the Griffon Event.
2) Combat Animations - New combat animations have been implemented and looking better than ever.
3) Spell Effects - A big patch late last week (some considering the Uber patch) implemented many many new spell effects which were almost not existent to this point.
4) New Racial Abilities
5) Client Optimization - The game is running approximately 25 - 50% better for most people.
There are many more things added and so much more to come. You can check out alot more here http://www.vanguardsoh.com/status.php
I like what most people don't realize is that since VG was forced to be released a bit early the polishing phase of beta was skipped and moved into open beta......that is what has been going on over the past few weeks and man has it been worth it.
If you had previously given up on VG I highly encourage you to try the game out again.....you won't be disappointed.....even email me and I'll send you one of my 10 buddy keys and you can see for yourself once the game is released.
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The game has work to be done before people will look at it again. Those who made up their mind will wait to hear the reviews before even thinking about it again from the game sites, and game score. Even that it may be tough.
They need to fix the mobs from going invisible when you attack them. That has turned a lot of people off. I have pre-ordered the game and Looking forward to play, but I know it's a risk I'm taking doing this. At the moment, there isn't anything to satisify my MMORPG crave.
I don't feel sorry for anybody. Let all the shallow and myopic players stay with games like WoW.
It'll keep the community cleaner and more conducive to fostering a fun environment.
It'll keep most of the dishonest jerks who sole purpose in life is to make others have a bad time by griefing or any other means they can find.
Plus, I'm sick of hearing the same things over and over from the naysyers and flamers.
I gotta agree with Kryo....
I would just assume have the players who enjoy simplistic shallow games stick with them and leave this one to players who appreciate depth.
Critical thinking is a desire to seek, patience to doubt, fondness to meditate, slowness to assert, readiness to consider, carefulness to dispose and set in order; and hatred for every kind of imposture.
At the same time, I agree that players who are looking for simpler games might as well leave Vanguard alone. It may have been geared to be more casual friendly, even fully soloable, but their goals are not lowest common denominator and so that is not an audience it will satisfy.
If you use review sites to form your opinion, you might as well just use forum troll's opinions too because they are generally the same thing.
1. Hitching Lag
Every time you come up on a new area, town, dungeon, player group, or sometimes a lone building or rock the game drops to a dead stop while it loads the textures. This is an indication of a major flaw in the graphics engine itself as its holding a frame until the object is rendered rather then letting the frame be rendered without it and adding the object in later frames. The hitching is so bad, and can be often so fatal to the player on 'chunk' or zone lines it would honestly feel better to me with a load screen as its far from seemless currently.
Alot of people are relgiously defending it as the cost of the high quality graphics. But honestly their not that good, Oblivion looks alot better, uses full HDR and speedtree just like Vanguard yet I get consistant high fps in dense areas like the Cirodel and it takes less then 10 seconds for the game to load and just a few seconds between cells (exiting buildings/dungeons or entering them.)
2. Huge unpopulated areas including Major NPC cities.
The capital city of Thestra is devoid of any use of existance currently, building on buildings but not an NPC to be found. Aghramn is the same on Qalia. Some ares are intendionally devoid for future player residences. But others are just empty barren stretches of land. Many dungeons (Which all seem to be mostly holes in the ground) are empty without any mobs or npcs.
3. A huge world with reliable transportation like Amtrak.
Miss the days of falling off in the boat (or thru it) into the ocean in EQ? Well rejoice for it has returned. Ah but right now their supplementing this troublesome system with insta gaters.. who tend to like to place you beneath the game world. Which means either using the /stuck command and appearing at the nearest altar (a command which keeps being removed and readded) or petition for a GM. I forsee many GMs heads slamming desks in the first days of launch. Ah and speaking of getting stuck, you don't even have to try. You can be minding your own buisness running by a fence in the wilderness, get slightly to close and snag your stuck in the fence unable to move or get out. There are unescapable holes galore in the terrain, and dozens of objects that will entrap you if you collide with them.
I miss DAoC
released before it was finished (was decent post earth and beyond when you consider the fact that when i last heard of it it was being
developed/ran by a 3 man company and yes it took forever to develop and so on) and vendetta online went live also due to money
issues. And ya it seems peeps dont realize the cost of beta testing a mmo or simply having a F2P mmo. It just seems that the more i
play vanguard the more i am glad i preordered. Mind you from what i heard vanguard beta has this built in data collection system (like
debugging) where data is collected from your client (game data to help with some issues they may be trying to track) and doing so is
causing alot of lag and wont be enabled on the live server (if this is correct we should expect alot less lag when this goes live).
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
I haven't attacked any mob that has gone invisible, that must be a 3+ month old bug as I've been in since November. And just because someone doesn't agree with your sanctified opinion doesn't mean they are a shill. That would like me asking if you work for Blizzard just because you don't think Vanguard is perfect. It's not fair to either party.
As an aside, Vanguard rewls!!!11
I miss DAoC
you say the game has greatly improved, well it better, when I saw it it was an unplayable mess
I'll certainly keep an eye on it, if reviews and opinions are good *after* it is released I see no reason not to try it out.
Overall though I must say they've really burned through a lot of good will with that ridiculous mess called open-beta.
Why? Because I've been fooled before by people gushing about how much has changed in a beta after I've quit in disgust. I've gone ahead and bought games at launch, even knowing that I was going to get more of the same because I listened to the fanboys telling me that X, Y, and Z had improved so dramatically and that the dev team was on top of their game.
Been there, done that. Not falling for it again.
I'd rather wait six months to a year rather than pay for a launch title that I'm not so sure is ready for release yet.
You are mistaken. I thought the game had promise, as I think every game in development does. I don't need luck with Vanguard, I'm already enjoying it, but thanks. And if you think Dark and Light is anything close to Vanguard you are a troll, and I don't like to say that about you. Please don't compare the two.
Reading these forums over the last week and seeing how people were going on about all of the dramatic changes being made I decided to fire up my beta account again and give it another go as it seemed likely now that the game would see the light of day...
I have never seen such a turnaround happen so fast before when a game is in development, needless to say I have now preordered the game and I am very pleased with what I have seen so far. Yes there are still problems but these are very minor and I have been reporting any unusual bugs I find along the way.
If more people who logged on to 'test' these games actually did report their problems instead of treating it like a freebie and then whining on every forum they came across then maybe more games would leave the beta stages in better shape than they do now.
Glad to hear! They have done amazing things lately, miracles really!
Anyways
badia_coharn@hotmail.com
Please may I have one. I would really like to try this game out as I am lost at the moment with mmos. I dont know which one to get and kinda afraid to go and buy a new one without playing it first.
Thank You.
Now that's low. Everything was going all cool with the great intellectual debates of "don't play my game, it's my game, I don't like you" around here but you just had to push it too far with such a vile comment!
Besides, I'd say AA is more a fan of trailblazing through the MMORPG underbrush looking for something great, although he is getting dangerously close to rabid fan here. Come back to the light anarchy, it's not too latttteeeeeeeee....
"This is not a game to be tossed aside lightly.
It should be thrown with great force"
To me it seems the problems many people are having during the open beta are actually caused by the machines they are running the game on. I think me being an avid gamer and demanding that I have the best gaming rig I can causes me to loose sight of the fact that a vast majority of people out there have very crappy systems in regards to playing these types of games. I build my computers as do many others I'm sure, but for every one of me there has to be 20 others that go to Best Buy to get their PC and when the salesperson says, "yes this will run anything for years to come!" those people, when playing a game like Vanguard are suddenly awoken into the reality that their PC in fact won't run everything. Since the person who sold them the $800 computer that is supposed to be able to run anything for years to come can't be wrong, it must be the game.
Do I see some of the things I hear people talking about? Sure I do, but to me they are 9 times out of 10 totally blown out of proportion. Take the current topic on hitching. Do I experience this? I do, but the longest I've had to wait was last night for about 6 seconds and that's longer than I've ever had to wait.
My point to all of this is the game is in a much better state of affairs than most will realize due to inferior computer setups and I feel nothing but contempt for those who kick and scream that the game is not ready or broke just because they cannot play it. I don't feel sorry for them in the least and can only offer as a suggestion to research better the next PC you buy and this will not happen.
You are mistaken. I thought the game had promise, as I think every game in development does. I don't need luck with Vanguard, I'm already enjoying it, but thanks. And if you think Dark and Light is anything close to Vanguard you are a troll, and I don't like to say that about you. Please don't compare the two.
My mistake then and apologies. I do remember your sig and nick from the DnL forums. I just could not remember if it was pre SoG or after SoG. As I have stated before on other threads on this forum I would rate vanguard more a long the lines of Horizons, which is a game that I thought had potential at one time. I hope McQuaid has better luck turning this thing around than Bowman did with Horizons.
I miss DAoC
Then again... I could be wrong
EDIT: But I do agree that we must be researching our computers and its components before we buy them. Buying an $800 Rig from bestbuy is definitely crap. That most likely wont play Vanguard .
yeah you nailed it dude my poor outdated old box will barely run this thing
I miss DAoC