This goes out to Thony, the supposed hard core member... I Still think that ppl who do not like to grind are lazy, grinding is a part of all mmorpg's even that sorry asz game WoW... All It Makes Me Say Is "WoW....you guys actually pay a monthly subscription for that piece of sh*t game?" Another thing is that if I am paying for a game it better be good, I have played WoW, its alrite, but not worth the money There are many decent games out there but all cost an arm and a leg, with the exception of guild wars which I think Is A Decent Pricing model. SO you lazy players who do not want to grind to attain lvls and skills I suggest you go buy a Xbox or PS and buy an rpg that seems more like your style. If they ever make an MMORPG where lazy ppl such as your self could lvl as easy as some one like me who actually dedicates time to this cause, then i will never play it. Lazy ppl are the ones using scripts, macros, and in general third party software, they have no patience, go play a console!
Fully agree at your last comment about "Lazy people are the ones using.....", don't mistake my words with that of being lazy my friend, i meself like you started your responce am hardcore, like i said grind does not excist for me, its fun to be able to do the stuff that needs to be done in the world you game in, you might call that grind i call that fun that the only difference between so please read what i said before you insult me with that sentence "people as your self" as i did not insult you in anyway nor form but just added to what i think should not be called grind as infact its only doing stuff that needs to be done to survive that world. And if means surviving in a world that you need to kill hunderd of critters then so be it, but don't call it grind as that has a negative tone to it, and don't be narrowminded when i say Vangaurd possible to lvl without combat as that can mean full dedication towards crafting wich can still consume lots of fun time (you might use the word "grind" for it.)
So you see we share the same view we just not use the same words
Tell Me A MMORPG Where You Dont Have To Grind In Order To Lvl, Tell Me One
Ok, I'll tell you one: Guild Wars Nightfall. I hit the cap of 20 mostly by doing all the side quests in the starting areas. Barely even knew how to play well. Sure, you may later choose to grind for cash, equipment upgrades, or skill points, but you never have to grind for *level*. And it seems like it's balanced so that you could pretty much follow the main plotline and keep up even if you totally ignore the side quests. GW is different. Ok, so it's not exactly a full MMROPG, more like a love-child between Diablo, Dungeon Siege, and Magic: The Gathering, with PvP properly planned for. But I love it so far.
When people say the game is a grindfest, or it's all about the grind, they are not separating that game from other MMOGs that require you to repeat the same things over and over again to advance. No, what they are saying is that those repeatable actions in the "grind game" are BORING, whereas the MMOGs that people actually enjoy are not referred to in that way, although they may be doing the same kinds of actions. I am one of those people who felt 9Dragons was a grindfest. It did have potential, and it was moderately fun for a few days, but then it got very old, and I could feel the repetition. I am not trying to insult those who enjoy the game. That's great for those people, and I'm glad they do, but I found it too simplistic and repetitive. Sorry to those who enjoyed the game and now can no longer play...
I was in the beta, but hadn't played in a while due to the Vanguard beta. While waiting for the Vanguard release, I've been reviewing my installed online games and also got the message about 9dragons being shut down. I was slightly suprised at the terse message, but not suprised that it wasn't sucessful. I found it somewhat interesting in the different style of play, but didn't find anything that really attrected me to it.
In summary, its sad to see a game fail when its not a poorly implemented game, but in todays highly competitve market, if you don't offer something that a significant number of players really like, you won't build a large enough customer base to survive. I've been looking for an alternative to WoW for over a year now and after trying dozens of betas, I think Vanguard will be my main game for at least this year.
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Fully agree at your last comment about "Lazy people are the ones using.....", don't mistake my words with that of being lazy my friend, i meself like you started your responce am hardcore, like i said grind does not excist for me, its fun to be able to do the stuff that needs to be done in the world you game in, you might call that grind i call that fun that the only difference between so please read what i said before you insult me with that sentence "people as your self" as i did not insult you in anyway nor form but just added to what i think should not be called grind as infact its only doing stuff that needs to be done to survive that world. And if means surviving in a world that you need to kill hunderd of critters then so be it, but don't call it grind as that has a negative tone to it, and don't be narrowminded when i say Vangaurd possible to lvl without combat as that can mean full dedication towards crafting wich can still consume lots of fun time (you might use the word "grind" for it.)
So you see we share the same view we just not use the same words
When people say the game is a grindfest, or it's all about the grind, they are not separating that game from other MMOGs that require you to repeat the same things over and over again to advance. No, what they are saying is that those repeatable actions in the "grind game" are BORING, whereas the MMOGs that people actually enjoy are not referred to in that way, although they may be doing the same kinds of actions. I am one of those people who felt 9Dragons was a grindfest. It did have potential, and it was moderately fun for a few days, but then it got very old, and I could feel the repetition. I am not trying to insult those who enjoy the game. That's great for those people, and I'm glad they do, but I found it too simplistic and repetitive. Sorry to those who enjoyed the game and now can no longer play...