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My review: 65%

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  • DuraheLLDuraheLL Member Posts: 2,951
    Originally posted by Elikal

    Originally posted by Kraetus

    Why put this much time into a piece of writing if you're not going to proofread it?
    Sorry, English isn't my first language. I wrote as good as I was able to. I think the content can be understood, however. ;)

    But vice versa: you why comment on such a long text and then only referr to grammar? Because people are lame... -_-

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  • ShoalShoal Member Posts: 1,156

    Nice Work.

    Think you are very generous in your score.

    Time, I believe, will show how lacking this game really is.

    "SoE is not going to be involved" ? ? ?

    Yeah sure.  Just forced it to be launched 1yr to soon.  With unfinished content.  Loads of defects.  Poor quality.  And so forth.

    Keep in mind that WoW was in Beta for over two years!  Highest quality release ever done in MMORPG history.  Even better than the stellar DAoC release.  The release of V:SoH is garbage.   Put as much lipstick on it as you want, it is still a Pig.

    Qute frankly, I hate these types of sociopathic designers and the player base that supports them.  These games are not fun!  They are a chore and a pain.  And cater only to the 'Shut-Ins' that can play them 24/7 so that they can be more 'Uber' than their fellow players.  And let them know how much better they are because THEY are the true Hardcore Elite.   Nuts to em.

    Let them keep their Hardcore game and hope they stay in it.  Though I doubt they will.  The fact that this game launched with SoE All Access pretty much shows where it is headed.

    What we really need is a game with the Life, Quality, and Fun of WoW.  But with a challenge and a focus different from the Warcraft world.  A focus (if it is going to be Fantasy) that is more serious fantasy.

    What we don't need is another EQ2.   And that, sadly, is exactly what V:SoH is; another EQ2.

    Don't waste your money on this game.

  • GungaDinGungaDin Member UncommonPosts: 514

    I realized this game was complete junk when I Beta Tested it.   Its been released half-ass and too far ahead of schedule.   A friend of mine who was in Beta is enjoying it, but I won't be joining him in this MMORPG. 

    Honestly, I hope alot of you enjoy this game, but its not my cup of tea.  I just don't like games being released in this state.   The LOTRO Beta i'm in is much more polished and ready for release.

  • Minotaur92Minotaur92 Member Posts: 5

    Been playing since beta and love it still!

     

    If you don't like it, simple ... don't play.  I disagree with most of the reviewers' opinions, also.  But, atleast you attempted a non-bias review.  I think your WoW background really influenced what you were looking for in a game -- if you had came from the EQ realm, you'd love this game.  Bottom line -- if you LOVE WoW, you may or may not like this game.  If you LOVED EQ, you will LOVE this game.

  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,088

    Good review overall, I can disagree with parts of it, but thats because I was in a different starter area than you.  I found quite a bit of difference between the 6 or so starter areas I've tried so far.  Some do seem to have a higher level of bugs, quests without much of a sense of immersion, and difficulty levels were all over the map. 

    As someone else mentioned, you did not know about the bindable feature, (neither did I) so I've been making naked corpse runs the entire time.  Another alternate to binding is to carry spare gear in your saddlebags, as that apparently stays with you even after you die.

    I enjoy playing the game, and am fairly forgiving of its flaws, however I could not give it much higher than 7/10 right now.  And if a person is a more casual gamer, or expecting a more finished product, I can see where it might only rate 4/10 on their scale.

    It is more difficult, I was damaged by WOW and have solo'd too much in the past 2 years.  I'm going to have to go back and re-learn my social skills to play this game effectively.... (at least to advance my levels in combat)

    But, there are solo activities... Diplomacy, Crafting, all are things I'll do when I want to solo, and I'll find groups for when its time to complete group quests or kill other players.....

     

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  • HarafnirHarafnir Member UncommonPosts: 1,350
    Originally posted by Minotaur92


    Been playing since beta and love it still!
     
    If you don't like it, simple ... don't play.  I disagree with most of the reviewers' opinions, also.  But, atleast you attempted a non-bias review.  I think your WoW background really influenced what you were looking for in a game -- if you had came from the EQ realm, you'd love this game.  Bottom line -- if you LOVE WoW, you may or may not like this game.  If you LOVED EQ, you will LOVE this game.

     

    No, you are wrong.

    But thank you for coming form Vanguard forums, and straight here, opening a new account just to tell him that.

    "This is not a game to be tossed aside lightly.
    It should be thrown with great force"

  • RedslayerRedslayer Member Posts: 108

    Anyone who doesn't think this game is perfect, is a noob or an idiot. Go back to WoW you noob idiots :O

     

    ... Just kidding lol. Bet someone will only read the first line and flame me... or start to, And see this in the quote, and be like "Oh"lol.

      Have a nice day peeps! im out.

     

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  • ixontesixontes Member UncommonPosts: 317
    Harafnir,



    I have learned to ignore the nay-sayers like you. Please, do not take that the wrong way. I have come on these boards several times looking for a game and I always listened to the SWG sucks, WoW is horrible, Don't waste your time on Ryzom, Don't spend your money on Vanguard, etc etc etc...



    So, now instead, I like to read reviews like this. It is in depth and tells the good and the bad.
  • ArclanArclan Member UncommonPosts: 1,550

    Thanks to the OP for the thoughtful review.   And your grammar was excellent; please ignore the troll.

    I'd like to address the point about how successful WoW is and how VG needs to learn from that model.  I keep hearing 8 mil subscribers, but what I don't hear is how many of them are from USA and Europe.  Hooray that you have 7 million Asian subscribers, but keep in mind; do you think they are paying $15 a month?  Certainly not.   And the hardware and CS required to service that 7 mil must be huge.

    Blizzard captured the Asian market LONG before they got into the MMO business.  So when you make a game with cartoony type characters with exaggerated features (huge ears, 100lb swords), of course Asians will flock to it.  But that doesn't mean WoW even remotely resembles a game that I want to play.  I heard WoW is remarkably easy.  And what the OP said reinforces that because he said VG is difficult.  VG is very easy so far; I'd even call it monty haul with regards to equipment.  Powerful equipment is dropping from lower level mobs.  I'm not a big fan of quick, easy levels and equipment.

    Other than that, I love VG!  Each day I play, I'm more impressed with the breathtaking landscape and elaborately detailed monsters.

    I do not want it to be like WoW.

    Luckily, i don't need you to like me to enjoy video games. -nariusseldon.
    In F2P I think it's more a case of the game's trying to play the player's. -laserit

  • anarchyartanarchyart Member Posts: 5,378

    Well thought out review, Elikal. I don't agree with all of it, and in fact I call into question your 30% bugged quest number, but that doesn't matter. You attempted to write an unbiased review and it was well written. Well done!

    As a side note, you really need to get a job. Maybe as a writer?

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  • SartagisSartagis Member Posts: 38
    Originally posted by Arclan


    Thanks to the OP for the thoughtful review.   And your grammar was excellent; please ignore the troll.
    I'd like to address the point about how successful WoW is and how VG needs to learn from that model.  I keep hearing 8 mil subscribers, but what I don't hear is how many of them are from USA and Europe.  Hooray that you have 7 million Asian subscribers, but keep in mind; do you think they are paying $15 a month?  Certainly not.   And the hardware and CS required to service that 7 mil must be huge.
    Blizzard captured the Asian market LONG before they got into the MMO business.  So when you make a game with cartoony type characters with exaggerated features (huge ears, 100lb swords), of course Asians will flock to it.  But that doesn't mean WoW even remotely resembles a game that I want to play.  I heard WoW is remarkably easy.  And what the OP said reinforces that because he said VG is difficult.  VG is very easy so far; I'd even call it monty haul with regards to equipment.  Powerful equipment is dropping from lower level mobs.  I'm not a big fan of quick, easy levels and equipment.
    Other than that, I love VG!  Each day I play, I'm more impressed with the breathtaking landscape and elaborately detailed monsters.
    I do not want it to be like WoW.



    Here are the subscriber numbers from Blizzard:

    "Blizzard Entertainment, announced today that World of Warcraft, its subscription-based MMORPG, is now played by more than 8 million gamers around the world. World of Warcraft has also achieved new regional subscriber milestones, with more than 2 million players in North America, more than 1.5 million players in Europe, and more than 3.5 million players in China. World of Warcraft will soon see the launch of its first expansion, World of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade, which will be available in North America on January 16th."

    Looks like half the subscriber base is in Europe and North America. Even if ONLY 1 million subscribers were in Europe/NA it still beats anything else considering only the subscibers in those regions.

     

  • SailexSailex Member Posts: 122
    Originally posted by Kraetus

    Why put this much time into a piece of writing if you're not going to proofread it?


    Why take the time to post if your just going to be a dick? Mommy not paying enough attention to you?


    To the OP: Thanks for taking the time to write a review for us.
  • jadawinjadawin Member Posts: 37


    Originally posted by Sartagis
    Here are the subscriber numbers from Blizzard:
    "Blizzard Entertainment, announced today that World of Warcraft, its subscription-based MMORPG, is now played by more than 8 million gamers around the world. World of Warcraft has also achieved new regional subscriber milestones, with more than 2 million players in North America, more than 1.5 million players in Europe, and more than 3.5 million players in China. World of Warcraft will soon see the launch of its first expansion, World of Warcraft: The Burning Crusade, which will be available in North America on January 16th."
    Looks like half the subscriber base is in Europe and North America. Even if ONLY 1 million subscribers were in Europe/NA it still beats anything else considering only the subscibers in those regions.
     

    The french writer Anatole France said it best:
    "If fifty million people say a foolish thing, it is still a foolish thing."

    I am not saying WOW ist bad. But the number of subscribers does not make it good either. Gameplay, service and even graphics are arguments for a game. Subscriber numbers are interesting only if there is the danger of not having enough players for a group on a server. Or if the company must close down because of money problems

    Just my 2 cents

  • ArclanArclan Member UncommonPosts: 1,550
    Sartagis, thanks for clueing me in.  That's cool, I think Blizzard is awesome and deserves their remarkable success.

    Luckily, i don't need you to like me to enjoy video games. -nariusseldon.
    In F2P I think it's more a case of the game's trying to play the player's. -laserit

  • ExneodeathExneodeath Member Posts: 61
    fanboys bashing you cause your honest. omg not 100% that guys a noob. these forums are ridden with kids.
  • AmocusAmocus Member UncommonPosts: 18
    Originally posted by Kraetus

    Why put this much time into a piece of writing if you're not going to proofread it?
    Actually, I thought this one of the better written reviews I've read. Much better than some folk for whom English is a first language.





    This was a useful review. Thanks,
  • ThethraxThethrax Member Posts: 36

    Im not one to reply on reviews normally, but in this case I just cannot let it be.


    Graphics: The world is breathtaking, however the civilization does not feel alive but more like a painted stage, therefore no maximum value. Some textures and places at not up to the high standard. 7/10

    Might want to buy a better graphics machine, on 8800GTX w/ 1920*1280 res on a 56" screen there is no better game for graphics.  Sure some textures and places are not fully layered yet but given the size of the world (easily 100 times bigger than WoW) you have to give them a break. Realistically this is a 9 or better.

    Sound: Great music but no voiceover and quite outdated sound effects. 7/10

    They have been adding content every day for sounds. It is not the same experience even from 2 weeks ago. Perhaps an 8.

    Difficulty: Many modern features are missing. Features which Sigil had planned to make the “challenge” bearable like Fellowships or Caravans are not implemented at all. There is a great imbalance in the various starter areas in terms of difficulty. Also some classes are much easier to play then others. The complicated faction system and the lack of any fast travel options force people to group only with those playing the same race for a long time. 4/10

    Wrong, they are implemented and they work. They were disabled temporarily because of an exploit, expect to see fellowships back in the game perhaps as early as todays patch. Caravans are in the game. There is no forcing of racial grouping, in fact if you read the boards there is plenty of interesting stories of people travelling to meet up with their friends. The adventure is half the fun! Easily should be rated a 9.

    Fun Factor: The quests are mindful and interesting. Many are quite beyond the usual kill X of Y. Crafting and Diplomacy add some fun things to do, even though they seem to lack the focus at the moment. Since both need a long time to delve in, they do not play a central role besides a bit fun gaming for a few days right now. Some quests are really entertaining and thoughtfully designed. 8/10

    Right about the quests, but wrong about the lack of focus. Quests, Diplomacy, and crafting play a central, pivotal role in many aspects of the game.

    Character Customization: It almost equals the great character customization of SWG. You really have a lot of sliders to create your own character. However, the races tend to look a bit cloned, since there are no textures and no aging slider. Also extreme deformations have been taken out prior to launch, so no fat or extreme thin characters can be made anymore. Since at this moment there are only 4 haircuts for each race, this is not fully implemented as it is supposed. Since hair is a big feature to really look different, the potential is highly cut. 6/10

    Still a top of the line customization system in comparison to most other mmos, including recent ones. Expect to see more content thrown in soon. Unfairly rated, easily an 8.

    Reviewer’s Tilt: I am split how to judge the game. It has the potential to be a real hit, but Sigil must get to the grip fast! Nowadays players do not have the years of patience people had back in the SWG era, waiting for years for promises and unspoken “somethings we are adding at some time”. There are awesome things in this game, especially if you seek for a richer and deeper world, but much work needs to be done and if you play Vanguard, be sure to have thick hide and good nerves. For the majority I can only advise to wait half a year. 7/10

    Work needs to be done but it is a far superior world to any other mmo out there, even in its infant stages. Sigil has had a grip for a while now, and theyve proved it with a successful launch. Give it another month or two if you have to, but the game is certainly in a playable state. Ive played the last 4 days of preorder time along with a bunch of my friends and its been a blast. Theres been relatively small amounts of down/patch time, significantly less than the horror that went on in WoW's launch. 9/10 for me! See you in game!

  • CaleSentariCaleSentari Member Posts: 178
    Originally posted by KnivesOnly

    Originally posted by SinCreator

    Originally posted by KnivesOnly

    I logged in and it was crap and quit within 5 mins.
    -_-



    But to the op, I think the review works just fine.  Of course, depending on reviewers, the game may do better or worse.  I for one would give it around 70-75%.  Some would probably give it much worse.  I think you gave the game a fair chance and enjoy it yourself, or at least partially enjoy it.  Hopefully the game will do well enough that we see some big improvements in the coming month.

     

    I did give it a fair chance, i saw the animations and spell effects and thought crap. If it was upto me i'd say this....





    Graphics: 4  - They look like 5 years old and the art is horrible.



    Sound: 3 - It all sounded the same to me : Every mob i hit sounded the same too lol.



    Difficulty: 10 - lol yeh it's very difficult to keep yourself playing.

    Fun factor: 2 - Where was the fun? Log in and straight away kill quests and no tutorial to tell me what the hells going on.



    Character creation:   5 - Wouldn't be sooo bad but theres like 3 hairstyles and the models look ugly.



    I would stop playing MMO's.  If  you can't get beyond character creation....I mean c'mon.

    Go Fish doesn't require an attention span, and there are no nerfs or downtimes.  Might be a bit of a learning curve for you, but you'll manage.

    To the OP: Well written and thought out.  It's a shame people will spend more time looking for what "smiley" to use in their response than to actually respond or read what you've written.  Or they  will spend more time telling you what your opinion "should've" been and that you are unfair in your ratings because you do not think as they do.

  • macpetemacpete Member UncommonPosts: 64
    Excellent review, Elikal. I'm a journalist and I really fall in love with this kind of reviews ... I mean, it's not a matter of how well this piece of writing is written ... it's the approach that is exemplary.



    Having said that, a project this farsighted like VG deserves a bit of faith and attention, I'm sure every passionate gamer will agree with me. It need focus and a lot of hard work ... I really hope  McQuaid and his team will find all the time and money this game needs to become  enjoyable and to find its (sustainable) market. VG fans need to calm down and start loving
    their neighbour.





    -

  • Warlord27Warlord27 Member Posts: 67
    To the OP: Great review man, I had no problem reading it.  I though it  was well thought out and honest.



    To Thethrax: Quiet ya bloody vanboi
  • ThraninThranin Member Posts: 23
    Originally posted by Thethrax


    Im not one to reply on reviews normally, but in this case I just cannot let it be.
     
    Graphics: The world is breathtaking, however the civilization does not feel alive but more like a painted stage, therefore no maximum value. Some textures and places at not up to the high standard. 7/10
    Might want to buy a better graphics machine, on 8800GTX w/ 1920*1280 res on a 56" screen there is no better game for graphics.  Sure some textures and places are not fully layered yet but given the size of the world (easily 100 times bigger than WoW) you have to give them a break. Realistically this is a 9 or better.

    Sound: Great music but no voiceover and quite outdated sound effects. 7/10
    They have been adding content every day for sounds. It is not the same experience even from 2 weeks ago. Perhaps an 8.

    Difficulty: Many modern features are missing. Features which Sigil had planned to make the “challenge” bearable like Fellowships or Caravans are not implemented at all. There is a great imbalance in the various starter areas in terms of difficulty. Also some classes are much easier to play then others. The complicated faction system and the lack of any fast travel options force people to group only with those playing the same race for a long time. 4/10
    Wrong, they are implemented and they work. They were disabled temporarily because of an exploit, expect to see fellowships back in the game perhaps as early as todays patch. Caravans are in the game. There is no forcing of racial grouping, in fact if you read the boards there is plenty of interesting stories of people travelling to meet up with their friends. The adventure is half the fun! Easily should be rated a 9.

    Fun Factor: The quests are mindful and interesting. Many are quite beyond the usual kill X of Y. Crafting and Diplomacy add some fun things to do, even though they seem to lack the focus at the moment. Since both need a long time to delve in, they do not play a central role besides a bit fun gaming for a few days right now. Some quests are really entertaining and thoughtfully designed. 8/10
    Right about the quests, but wrong about the lack of focus. Quests, Diplomacy, and crafting play a central, pivotal role in many aspects of the game.

    Character Customization: It almost equals the great character customization of SWG. You really have a lot of sliders to create your own character. However, the races tend to look a bit cloned, since there are no textures and no aging slider. Also extreme deformations have been taken out prior to launch, so no fat or extreme thin characters can be made anymore. Since at this moment there are only 4 haircuts for each race, this is not fully implemented as it is supposed. Since hair is a big feature to really look different, the potential is highly cut. 6/10
    Still a top of the line customization system in comparison to most other mmos, including recent ones. Expect to see more content thrown in soon. Unfairly rated, easily an 8.

    Reviewer’s Tilt: I am split how to judge the game. It has the potential to be a real hit, but Sigil must get to the grip fast! Nowadays players do not have the years of patience people had back in the SWG era, waiting for years for promises and unspoken “somethings we are adding at some time”. There are awesome things in this game, especially if you seek for a richer and deeper world, but much work needs to be done and if you play Vanguard, be sure to have thick hide and good nerves. For the majority I can only advise to wait half a year. 7/10
    Work needs to be done but it is a far superior world to any other mmo out there, even in its infant stages. Sigil has had a grip for a while now, and theyve proved it with a successful launch. Give it another month or two if you have to, but the game is certainly in a playable state. Ive played the last 4 days of preorder time along with a bunch of my friends and its been a blast. Theres been relatively small amounts of down/patch time, significantly less than the horror that went on in WoW's launch. 9/10 for me! See you in game!
    The OP was a great review. Thethrax... *sigh*... this is sad.  You actually succeeded in making me feel bad when I read your fanboy argument, Thethrax. Just plain sad.
  • wyzwunwyzwun Member Posts: 328

    I just fail to understand how you can rate graphics so high when the animations are indeed so poor. I am not even going to get in to all the other problems... and design flaws... I will continue to say, this game has snes animations... just its unreal... that this game uses the unreal engine... lol.

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  • PhoenixsPhoenixs Member Posts: 2,646
    Originally posted by Thethrax

    Im not one to reply on reviews normally, but in this case I just cannot let it be.

    Graphics: The world is breathtaking, however the civilization does not feel alive but more like a painted stage, therefore no maximum value. Some textures and places at not up to the high standard. 7/10

    Might want to buy a better graphics machine, on 8800GTX w/ 1920*1280 res on a 56" screen there is no better game for graphics.  Sure some textures and places are not fully layered yet but given the size of the world (easily 100 times bigger than WoW) you have to give them a break. Realistically this is a 9 or better.

    Whoah! Did you even read what he wrote?


  • GameloadingGameloading Member UncommonPosts: 14,182
    Originally posted by Thethrax

    Im not one to reply on reviews normally, but in this case I just cannot let it be.

    Graphics: The world is breathtaking, however the civilization does not feel alive but more like a painted stage, therefore no maximum value. Some textures and places at not up to the high standard. 7/10

    Might want to buy a better graphics machine, on 8800GTX w/ 1920*1280 res on a 56" screen there is no better game for graphics.  Sure some textures and places are not fully layered yet but given the size of the world (easily 100 times bigger than WoW) you have to give them a break. Realistically this is a 9 or better.


    But your missing one thing. the KEY here is to have good graphics on BOTH high end and low end.
  • JackdogJackdog Member UncommonPosts: 6,321
    I think that was a fair review, I would have went a bit lower on the graphics rating myself.

    I miss DAoC

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