Purchased this game yesterday, and sad to say nothing but bugs / problems / flaws. I was quite excited to purchase and play this game after all of the media and reviews I had seen, but received nothing but disappointment. I would not recommend this game to anyone, and will chalk it up as a bad consumer purchase. Still beyond me as to why stores would even stock this game on shelves next to other retail games, as I would not try this game again even if it was F2P in the future. (But if you like mmorpgs with flawed game engines, choppy graphics, stiff gameplay, and a ton of bugs, then this might be the game for you.)
I think somebody needs to define bugs. I am level 13 now, for me a bug is something that stops me in what I am doing. I have not encountered ONE THING that has stoped me from doing something. EXCEPT some graphics issues that I think are from my ds3 not liking my 7950gx2.
whoever said that you can't tell the difference between 30 fps and 60 is wrong. I can tell the difference. It's only when nothing on screen is moving that you can't. When thing sstart moving you can tell.
You're right and thank you for pointing that out. The us air force did tests where pilots could identify an aircraft from a single frame displayed for 1/220th of a second. With todays video cards, we have verified that the human eye can see beyond 200 frames per second. You can thank the us air force and the video game industry for that one.
Yep read that.
That test was in the reverse of the way that your monitor works as well, dark over light. You can pick out a bit of light at 200 fps when flashed over a dark spot, as apposed to a few dark frames flashed over many light ones. The eye has trouble picking out the dark frames because of the after image left behind. Those same guys wouldn't have been able to pick the dark spot out of a series of light frames moving at 1/220 of a second, same way you cant pick out the flashes of dark frames when your watching the tv even though they're there. Yet that test didn't determine the rate at wich your eye can view images flashed across a computer monitor because it's not viewed the same.
There was a dif.
That test also only accounted for a single image flashed over many dark frames. It's not quite the same thing as taking a constant shifting image and trying to distinguish between frames of flashing light over dark spaces.
Alos all those test indicate that the way that you persieve the image has a lot to do with it.
GTA: San Andreas runs at 28 fps and 30 is the norm for a game. Still think it matters?
If the character animations aren't programmed with 60 frames of animation per second but instead only have 30 frames of animation per second, do you think it matters if you are getting 60fps?
The only real benefit of 60 fps is that when it does drop 10 frames you won't notice, but at 30 frames you do.
Edit: Either the same site or another one also pointed out that if you sat and watched something like a movie moving at 120 fps you would most likely end up with a monster of a headache.
So what the OP is realy saying "Dont buy Vanguard becuase I dont like it". Hey, maybe you can go outside the street and say "Dont buy any red cars becuase I dont like red color!" see how fast you end up in the full house.
I love when people have no idea about computers and post about crappy coding... You have a 2000$ computer... thats not High end by stretch Drop 7 grand and then come talk. And also just cause you spent 800$ on your graphics card doesn't mean your Processor Ram or Front bus aren't bottle necking the heck out of you. Also i've seen people with amazing pc's well over 2 grand still run games like balls. It could be you're running a million aps they don't even know about and their Bios is all screwed up.
Also Games run on different things. Some games are very graphic card dependent, However SOME are very processor dependent. And even OTHERS are very bios ram and FBS dependant All can create the same graphics But the way they process your information is different. Now it doesn't meen the CODING is bad it means your pc is bottlenecking in one of those areas which means you scrimped or squeezed by with a crappy part or 2.
My pc has 1 gig of ram a 3 year old graphic card and a pentium 4... i run the game better than you on Highest quality with an avg of 40 FPS... (thanx to some ini tweaks) i wonder do you feel like you got ripped off for your 2000?
Before you blame the game for you not enjoying it and your pc having a F poor preformance doesn't meen the coders did anything wrong.
You just have to remember Games are not coded for YOUR computer like a gaming console. They're programmed one way and if YOUR PC is having difficulties doesn't meen it was coded bad it means your pc isn't optimized in one way or another... or it's just having a cinflict somewhere... CRAP HAPPENS DEAL.
And one last remark. 3dmark doesn't prove a darn thing it says my pc is above average too. thats like Saying you're an above average american... that just meens you're SLIGHTLY better than the jerry springer majority.
Oh and on the note of eye sight FPS thingy... Most console games never go over 40 so you look at xbox 360 or ps3 when it's working and tell me you need more fps.
Oh and also try buying a better sound card as the sound in this game is meant for suround sound and eats up alot of FPS if youre not actually using it.. or turn off the sound all together in game garantee a 10fps jump
Pcs are for tweakers. You have to know how to tweak options and optimize the game for yourself as every pc is different. Your can't just go out by a dell and call it a day sticking any game you want in it and it working like a dream. If thats what you want buy a console system thats what they're there for.
The human eye can see the difference between 30fps and 60fps. Just because you read an article on the internet saying different doesn't mean it's true. I can tell the difference, and so can thousands of others. I also know the system specs of thousands of others. It's something called 3dMark. It's also called "Not everyone buys a $2000 computer this year." Since I know the fact is that thousands of people have computers, and thousands play MMO's, and thousands play Vaguard, and thanks to things like 3d-Mark which tells me my computer vs. the average computer, as well as me being able to do 2 + 2 = 4....well you see, I can SAFELY know thousands of other's system specs are under mine, as well as the CONSTANT forums where people go to great lengths to increase their FPS from 10 to 15 using "tweaks." If you MUST know, I got anywhere between 1 FPS and 70 FPS. The fact is though, those are more rare than the average number. Sometimes my average was 20, sometimes 30, sometimes 40. I don't have to say exact numbers just to be free from your judgemet. You're misinformed, perhaps you should reevaluate where you get your knowledge and assumptions from.
Nice to know there is somebody out there besides a politician that can speak for 1000's of other people with absolute certainty and really have no foggy idea about those 1000 people.
You see, sir, you loose all creditability when you talk so matter of fact about other people who you have no clue about. Just because you see 1000 other people on 3DMark with a certain system spec mean little or nothing at all in terms of weather they can or cannot play Vanguard. In fact I can discredit you right this very moment. My wife and I have the EXACT same computers. When we built our PCs we got double of everything, but she get less than perfect frame rates in Vanguard and runs on balanced while I get good frame rates playing on high. The reason for the difference is what is running in the background. She has by far more gadgets and TSRs that she deems important and because of that she takes a performance hit while I keep my PC lean and trim and I get a boost.
So it would appear that in fact you really don't have an idea other than going to some random internet site, seeing 1000 other people with less than a machine and ASSUMING they cannot play and all because you are not happy with what you got. What a brat.
So it would appear that in fact you really don't have an idea other than going to some random internet site, seeing 1000 other people with less than a machine and ASSUMING they cannot play and all because you are not happy with what you got. What a brat.
Quality of Graphics do NOT justify the required High-End system. I ran Vanguard on max settings getting 20-50 fps, and with some stuff toned down I got a constant 35 fps. That's fine because I have a high-end system. Not everyone can spend $2000 on a computer though. Especially just to play this unfinished game (which should still be in beta for 3 more months.) The graphics are NOT that impressive. The character models are cartoony, the game is full of bugs/glitches, and the lack of organic detail is disappointing. The graphics are good, excluding the character models. If I wanted to play a cartoon character model, I'd play WoW. Games such as Oblivion, LoTR Online, and other games have beautiful graphics that are better than Vanguard's. Far better. Whether in terms of the world itself or the actual graphical textures, they are far greater than Vanguard's graphics. They also require less resources to play. The fact is that Vanguard requires a ridiculous amount of computer power to even play. Worse, it requires even more ridiculous amount to play with good fps. Even worse, you can't, even with lowest settings and a high-end computer, get above 50fps.
The fact is that Vanguard's graphics do not constitute nor justify the required high-end system to efficiently play it. WoW, Oblivion, LOTR, those are all games whose graphics are great. Great enough to be satisfied by good graphics and an immersive world. Vanguard on the other hand is worse than those games in terms of graphics and thus immersion, yet it requires MORE resources to play? Also, the options are ridiculous. Running at max settings I got an average of 30-40 fps. Running on minimum settings, where the trees are paper crayola drawings, I only got 35-40fps average. A big boost of 5fps in return for a huge loss in quality. Pathetic. Vanguard is a poorly made game. I used to play in the Phase 1 of a popular MMO's beta, and there's barely any bugs, a finished and greatly polished game. Vanguard, in Phase 4 beta, and even after release, isn't polished at all, has tons of bugs, and it's just pathetic compared to other MMO's who are already more bug-free and polished in phase 1 than Vanguard is AFTER RELEASE. I do not understand how they expect you to bring your friends to Vanguard when they can't even play the game because they don't want to spend $2000 just to play an unfinished, unpolished, bug-filled, poorly designed game. I am not here to only troll, I'm also here to tell other about this game. Mainly about what angers me the most: A company that FORCES the players to upgrade their machine just to play when the graphics are NOT worth upgrading for. This game has and is going to lose thousands of players solely because it decided to limit its playerbase on those who can afford a high-end system. Don't get me wrong, my system is fine and runs Vanguard smoothly. But my friends, family, and thousands of others can't even play it for different reasons. If you can't get a game to run on the average system with 30fps, you've failed in the MMO market. MMO is about getting a lot of people, not getting those who are rich and spoiled enough to buy a $2000 machine.
I agree with you that the graphics dont justify the high end system need to play it smoothly..the graphics are good but not that great...but my reason for buying vanguard is that it has so many different features in the game besides combat..this give a game longevity in my opinion..im sick of games like wow that concentrate solely on combat and raiding....vanguard has all the features of swg and wow in the one game..to me thats the perfect mmo.
So it would appear that in fact you really don't have an idea other than going to some random internet site, seeing 1000 other people with less than a machine and ASSUMING they cannot play and all because you are not happy with what you got. What a brat.
The human eye is incapable of distinguishing between 30 FPS and 50 FPS, because you can't see faster then 30 FPS; so getting more then 30 isn't really neccesary. I could be wrong about that, but do believe that to be factual. Hope you find a better game.
Ooooh i so disagree
The perception of performance of a video game's FPS is all about Lag
The higher FPS obviously reduces the detection of video lag, the lower FPS even at 30 is very easy to feel that the game motility (movement) is laggy, this was highly evidenced ** AND FIXED ** in World of Warcraft's early days.
So anyone who says that 30 + FPS is not needed for a video game is delusional.
Why would HARDWARE manufacturers produce video LCD monitors such as SAMSUNG etc with high end FPS output capability and low response time (6 ms and lower) spending millions in R & D to achieve that if it wasnt important.
Definately bad information there sorry, 50 FPS is very important for lots of reason.
SO FAR I have not really experienced enough of Vanguard to see these "bugs" that everyone talks about,
However, I bought Vanguard x 2 one for me, one for my wife, and we have not yet opened the second package yet, im thinking its a dud and the second copy goes back to the store and i cancel my subscription asap.
If critical things dont get worked out fast I find the game clunky and a bit distasteful, performance IS laggy and bad, compared to other games im playing that use my existing computer.
I do find it somewhat believable that some people are finding it IMPOSSIBLE to play properly with existing computers so yes, its sad to see some posts like the OP here, is he right, are they "FORCING" you to buy upgraded hardware?
Well that I dissagree with, PEOPLE decide to buy new hardware for THEIR OWN gaming pleasures.
Its a BRAND NEW GAME thus meaning you are playing a "supposed" top of the line game, and you can expect yourself to require "top of the line" hardware to enjoy it at max settings cranked out and getting 50 FPS
however
I highly doubt spending 3000 $ to 5000 $ and getting the best of the best hardware will let you experience Vanguard cranked out all settings maxed and still expect to get 50FPS
Your gonna get what it is, a laggy beast right now
If you do not want to spend $2,000.00 on a computer, then do not buy Vanguard. It has poor graphics that shouldn't require the specs that it does. And it also it has a lot of bugs.
The End.
There, just summed up your overly repetitive post for you.
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Lost me. They are not cartoony. And also admitting you're trolling, pathetic. You sir are a disgrace to the online community. Good day.
RonnyRulz your in the from forum mate try http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/setView/forums/gameID/15/loadFeature/0/
Thanks for coming on down, now hop it.
So, about all these BUGS BUGS BUGS posts.
I dont see any? Please find them for me.
You're right and thank you for pointing that out. The us air force did tests where pilots could identify an aircraft from a single frame displayed for 1/220th of a second. With todays video cards, we have verified that the human eye can see beyond 200 frames per second. You can thank the us air force and the video game industry for that one.
Yep read that.
That test was in the reverse of the way that your monitor works as well, dark over light. You can pick out a bit of light at 200 fps when flashed over a dark spot, as apposed to a few dark frames flashed over many light ones. The eye has trouble picking out the dark frames because of the after image left behind. Those same guys wouldn't have been able to pick the dark spot out of a series of light frames moving at 1/220 of a second, same way you cant pick out the flashes of dark frames when your watching the tv even though they're there. Yet that test didn't determine the rate at wich your eye can view images flashed across a computer monitor because it's not viewed the same.
There was a dif.
That test also only accounted for a single image flashed over many dark frames. It's not quite the same thing as taking a constant shifting image and trying to distinguish between frames of flashing light over dark spaces.
Alos all those test indicate that the way that you persieve the image has a lot to do with it.
GTA: San Andreas runs at 28 fps and 30 is the norm for a game. Still think it matters?
If the character animations aren't programmed with 60 frames of animation per second but instead only have 30 frames of animation per second, do you think it matters if you are getting 60fps?
The only real benefit of 60 fps is that when it does drop 10 frames you won't notice, but at 30 frames you do.
Edit: Either the same site or another one also pointed out that if you sat and watched something like a movie moving at 120 fps you would most likely end up with a monster of a headache.
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
Also Games run on different things. Some games are very graphic card dependent, However SOME are very processor dependent. And even OTHERS are very bios ram and FBS dependant All can create the same graphics But the way they process your information is different. Now it doesn't meen the CODING is bad it means your pc is bottlenecking in one of those areas which means you scrimped or squeezed by with a crappy part or 2.
My pc has 1 gig of ram a 3 year old graphic card and a pentium 4... i run the game better than you on Highest quality with an avg of 40 FPS... (thanx to some ini tweaks) i wonder do you feel like you got ripped off for your 2000?
Before you blame the game for you not enjoying it and your pc having a F poor preformance doesn't meen the coders did anything wrong.
You just have to remember Games are not coded for YOUR computer like a gaming console. They're programmed one way and if YOUR PC is having difficulties doesn't meen it was coded bad it means your pc isn't optimized in one way or another... or it's just having a cinflict somewhere... CRAP HAPPENS DEAL.
And one last remark. 3dmark doesn't prove a darn thing it says my pc is above average too. thats like Saying you're an above average american... that just meens you're SLIGHTLY better than the jerry springer majority.
Oh and on the note of eye sight FPS thingy... Most console games never go over 40 so you look at xbox 360 or ps3 when it's working and tell me you need more fps.
Oh and also try buying a better sound card as the sound in this game is meant for suround sound and eats up alot of FPS if youre not actually using it.. or turn off the sound all together in game garantee a 10fps jump
Pcs are for tweakers. You have to know how to tweak options and optimize the game for yourself as every pc is different. Your can't just go out by a dell and call it a day sticking any game you want in it and it working like a dream. If thats what you want buy a console system thats what they're there for.
Sorry for the ramble
Nice to know there is somebody out there besides a politician that can speak for 1000's of other people with absolute certainty and really have no foggy idea about those 1000 people.
You see, sir, you loose all creditability when you talk so matter of fact about other people who you have no clue about. Just because you see 1000 other people on 3DMark with a certain system spec mean little or nothing at all in terms of weather they can or cannot play Vanguard. In fact I can discredit you right this very moment. My wife and I have the EXACT same computers. When we built our PCs we got double of everything, but she get less than perfect frame rates in Vanguard and runs on balanced while I get good frame rates playing on high. The reason for the difference is what is running in the background. She has by far more gadgets and TSRs that she deems important and because of that she takes a performance hit while I keep my PC lean and trim and I get a boost.
So it would appear that in fact you really don't have an idea other than going to some random internet site, seeing 1000 other people with less than a machine and ASSUMING they cannot play and all because you are not happy with what you got. What a brat.
Ronny you should check out this post! Its stickied at the top of the page.
I am the type of player where I like to do everything and anything from time to time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Holodomor - pre-WW2 genocide.
Ooooh i so disagree
The perception of performance of a video game's FPS is all about Lag
The higher FPS obviously reduces the detection of video lag, the lower FPS even at 30 is very easy to feel that the game motility (movement) is laggy, this was highly evidenced ** AND FIXED ** in World of Warcraft's early days.
So anyone who says that 30 + FPS is not needed for a video game is delusional.
Why would HARDWARE manufacturers produce video LCD monitors such as SAMSUNG etc with high end FPS output capability and low response time (6 ms and lower) spending millions in R & D to achieve that if it wasnt important.
Definately bad information there sorry, 50 FPS is very important for lots of reason.
SO FAR I have not really experienced enough of Vanguard to see these "bugs" that everyone talks about,
However, I bought Vanguard x 2 one for me, one for my wife, and we have not yet opened the second package yet, im thinking its a dud and the second copy goes back to the store and i cancel my subscription asap.
If critical things dont get worked out fast I find the game clunky and a bit distasteful, performance IS laggy and bad, compared to other games im playing that use my existing computer.
I do find it somewhat believable that some people are finding it IMPOSSIBLE to play properly with existing computers so yes, its sad to see some posts like the OP here, is he right, are they "FORCING" you to buy upgraded hardware?
Well that I dissagree with, PEOPLE decide to buy new hardware for THEIR OWN gaming pleasures.
Its a BRAND NEW GAME thus meaning you are playing a "supposed" top of the line game, and you can expect yourself to require "top of the line" hardware to enjoy it at max settings cranked out and getting 50 FPS
however
I highly doubt spending 3000 $ to 5000 $ and getting the best of the best hardware will let you experience Vanguard cranked out all settings maxed and still expect to get 50FPS
Your gonna get what it is, a laggy beast right now
The End.
There, just summed up your overly repetitive post for you.