EVE Online: Dev Blog Updates On Employee Misconduct

GFulls

EvE Online's Community Manager Kieron continues to address the allegations of employee misconduct. The links to Dev Blogs may help clear some of the smoke for the EvE Community.

Recent allegations of developer misconduct have been the subject of much conversation in the EVE community and CCP. We have made a few recent statements to address these allegations, and listened to the community response.

In my last statement to the community, I promised that more would be forthcoming before the start of the weekend. Based on community response, we've addressed lingering questions and concerns in two different Dev Blogs.

Please read t20's Dev Blog, "On Recent Allegations" and Hellmar's Dev Blog, "The Commitment".

It is our hopes these Blogs will address the remainder of the EVE community's concerns over these allegations.

Read more here.

cosy

after many many flame posted kieron make a thread also u can look at the hour that thread is made

http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=473490

t20 fired - NO

kugutsumen unbanned - NO

player banned - NO

ISK/items & benefits made from t20 BPO`s removed -NO

t20 BPO`s T2 removed - yes, only half, 6 BPO removed

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this will continue - YES

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questions : if CCP have info about t20 from las summer, why only made him leave RKK ? why no investigation on summer ? why dont remove ALL the BPO on last summer ?

AcheronEHJ

Its a pretty weak response actually. 

Ok, so we removed the items that were handed freely to players in game.  Of course, what we don't mention is that these are actually production items, each one providing a constant supply of revenue for as long as they are utilized.  Thanks for all the free money!

Tell you what, any devs are welcome to hand my group a bunch of free BPOs to use for a period of time, and then when they get caught, we'll give them all back.  Sounds great.

Malthros

Understand several things, people who will be flaming in this thread:



1.  This all happened, and was dealt with, in the summer.  The situation has not been under investigation this whole time.



2.  Kugu is a wanted felon (in a non extradiction country), and he revealed this information because his attempt at blackmail didn't work.



3.  He only revealed the info because his blackmail attempt failed, not because he's a good person, because he's not, he's a wanted criminal.



4.  CCP's Int Aff department was created in January of 2007, don't freak out that they didn't jump on this, it was dealt with in the summer of 2006, they didn't exist.



5.   Most companies completely cover up these events to the public.  Blizzard would have banned everyone who threadnaughted the forums, along with anyone who bitched about those bannings, and they would've never spoken of the issue.  CCP is being more than fair with how public they are making this.  Any publicly tradec company that would be this vocal would have crashing stock prices.



6.  The BPOs listed are not valuable in terms of ISK, however, when you have a 2000+ man alliance, you don't need to sell HACs in empire to keep up the corp wallet.  The BPOs in question are an interdictor (which are cheap), and either long range sniping ammo (priceless in fleet fights), or short range high damage ammo (priceless in fleet fights).  All the isk in the world doesn't make you build more ammo from a single BPO, having a second BPO does though.



That should do for now, enjoy your ranting and flaming.

RollinDutch

The money is trivial - something like 10b or so IF they'd been producing and selling on market constantly, which isn't really what BoB does with BPOs. The offending BPOs are gone and I really don't care about a fairly unimportant sum of isk to an alliance. Its like 2 days of complex running with BoB's 10/10s, if even that.



I'd have liked to see t20 fired, although less because of his involvement in this and more because the eve-o.com site has always been lacking basic functionality. Its always amused me to no end that CCP has yet to put any kind of a functional search into their forums in more then 5 years of operation. How does the guy responsible for that keep his job.

cosy

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Originally posted by Malthros

3. He only revealed the info because his blackmail attempt failed, not because he's a good person, because he's not, he's a wanted criminal.

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PROOF OR STFU
if he hack any forum can be punished on real life and on real life ppl are innocent until are sufficient proof to be declared guilty

bubbaa

Originally posted by Malthros

Understand several things, people who will be flaming in this thread:



1.  This all happened, and was dealt with, in the summer.  The situation has not been under investigation this whole time.



2.  Kugu is a wanted felon (in a non extradiction country), and he revealed this information because his attempt at blackmail didn't work.



3.  He only revealed the info because his blackmail attempt failed, not because he's a good person, because he's not, he's a wanted criminal.



That should do for now, enjoy your ranting and flaming.

1. It wasn't dealt with. Note the hordes of angry players who just found out just how much it wasn't dealt with?



2. And this matters... how? If he's Saddam Hussein and gives claims with evidence of wrongdoing, then aren't you still looking at claims and evidence of wrongdoing?



3. So a bad person gave the community good intel on bad things that CCP did.

I call that a win for the community. Why do labels matter?

Robbgobb

So many instances of a community disapproving of actions. Seems like I see it in every MMO. I live with the fact that at least CCP is giving some information. I accept people do not like and are not happy with the way things went but I accept it. Things happen and I feel more for the employees who have lost characters that had nothing to do with this. How many of the people unhappy feel for them? Probably not a lot and I am sure they would complain to the extremes to lose such a character.

Minimum

Another company with cheating employees. 

Why am I not surprised.

Their overall response is weak and inadequate to say the least.

All I can say, is I don't believe them.  Either one, the guy who apologized then wants forgiveness.  Not bad for someone who really didn't suffer for his misdeeds, and I don't believe the boss either.

I don't think they did much of anything to anybody.    Here was a glowing chance to show that they care, and they gave it away. 

Oh well...

Lasraik

Originally posted by Robbgobb

So many instances of a community disapproving of actions. Seems like I see it in every MMO. I live with the fact that at least CCP is giving some information. I accept people do not like and are not happy with the way things went but I accept it. Things happen and I feel more for the employees who have lost characters that had nothing to do with this. How many of the people unhappy feel for them? Probably not a lot and I am sure they would complain to the extremes to lose such a character.

 

They're only giving infomation because it became public from a player.  This happened last summer.  They didn't give any information then, they didn't do anything about it.

I've lost faith in CCP, I thought they were one of the better MMO companies until this happened.

Fireburst

The only way to voice disapproval to an incident like this is cancel subs as a protest. When the gravy train starts to run dry you will be surprised how quickly a company will take notice of it's customer base.

XXen

Originally posted by Fireburst

The only way to voice disapproval to an incident like this is cancel subs as a protest. When the gravy train starts to run dry you will be surprised how quickly a company will take notice of it's customer base.

Less lag for everyone and more stuff for us.



But seriously, neither the way Kugutsumen put it into public nor CCP dealt with it was ok, but shit happens and

it allow to see that those are just humans as well.

I won't cancel my sub because of that, i like the game the way it is too much and it those BPOs doesnt really harm anyone.



But for thise who defend now Kugutsumen : He deserves the ban, cause he hacked, he lied, he broke several times the EULA (by releasing information on the on hand and attempted Account hacking on the other) and pulled up a conlict that hadnt had any impact

on EVE if it hadnt been made public, cause it is already cleared.

Zothike

Sorry but such a Problem in EVE online is top limit because in this game the term PvP have a real meaning and death Penalty means something and at political level rising an alliance with capital ship represente hundreds of players hours of play then if CCP employee help an alliance against others and so doing help THOUSANDS of suscriber loosing  HUNDREDS and for some THOUSANDS of hours of play there is a problem

an example : image in WoW in pvp servers that each time you are killed you are loosing all your equipements and then after some years of playing you learn that the enemy guilds that killed you and your fellow guilds members so many times have been helped by Blizzards employee that were playing with them providing uber gear and infos how you will react ?

i play this game since more than 3 years now and what i wanted in this game i loved so much 'empire building' is impossible or at best biased, sorry but unless REAL and DEEP mesures are taken i'm off and will not make it good publicity (btw even if things are done and i stay will not do good publicity for a while as i was doing before)

 

 

cosy

XXen about kugutsumen ban wee don't have details dunno if was based on something
that fact is sirmolle posted real life information about kugutsumen and he don't get banned

what u have to say about that ?

Erillion

Player outrage is immensive - 51 pages and counting at the moment. Summary : "CCP, this is not good enough !"

http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingameboard.asp?a=topic&threadID=473335

Kieron (CCP spokesman) is answering the main questions here :

http://myeve.eve-online.com/ingamebo...hreadID=473490

Players are leaving EVE because of it (at least in my guild, but I hear its the same in many other guilds). The cheating by a developer with his in game friends is made worse because in EVE ALL play in one world/server/shard and the balance of power in the game has shifted to the guild favored by the developer(s) - thats clear for all to see by a single look at the current alliance map (http://dl1.eve-files.com/media/corp/CRII/Latest.jpg ... see the big blue and green area on the west and south side of the map and the embatlled zones bordering it ?).

 

Have fun

Erillion

Erillion

Ah yes, and here http://www.kugutsumen.com/index.php   is all the information coming from that triggered this scandal.

Have fun

Erillion

Minimum

Having read more of the backround to all this, I'd say CCP has some major explaining to do yet.

And A LOT of work to get back peoples trust.  I'm betting they are not up to it.   But we will see.

 

$OE is probably having a party to see some of the heat taken off of themselves.

Ryker

I bet they just rename their characters and go on doing the same thing. The developers are probably friends and they are not going to do anything but blow smoke up the players butt.

cosy

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Originally posted by Ryker
I bet they just rename their characters and go on doing the same thing. The developers are probably friends and they are not going to do anything but blow smoke up the players butt.

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well t20 haves 2 chars
Thryr Merim
Ishos Rerajan

next t20 char xxxxxx zzzzzz

some QFT from forum until dont get deleted

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Originally by: HaladaIf summing the facts up correctly:

- First, they tried to ignore the whole thing
- Then they banned Kugu's 5 accounts, supposedly for EULA violations
- They let Molle get away unbanned with posting his RL details.
- They let Dianabolic get away unbanned with RL harrassment.
- They tried to say the only issues were an event where they couldn't prove or deny the accusations now, plus the revealing of dev characters - so can we put this behind us now please.
- They got themselves T20 as a sacrificial goat that acknowledged cheating, admitting about the illegal spawning of some third-world BPO's nobody cares about (that we already had proofs about). We are suppose to believe those were the only ones ?

After all that, people still believe CCP will act accordingly ? How many EULA violations do you think those DEVS committed? After this becomes a 100-pages thread, it will be locked, then deleted, and the forum mods will be ordered to take down any thread about this automatically, until people get tired of it.

Most people will keep playing, because what makes this game so great are the players. CCP will now forever have a stain on its reputation, and it will be EXTREMELY bad for their reputation in the business world. You think they'll be signing any significant contracts after EVE for other games or other projects? Nobody will want to work with a bunch of liars, they'll pay then.

Believe me no one will never forget this, but by judging at CCP's response to the whole thing (see above), it is fair to say they are not acting according to moral standards, but rather to protect their asses. So why bother talking about morality? They have shown on multiple occasions already they don't follow that path... Karma will be a ***** to them.

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Lasraik

Closed my accounts because of this, I'm not going to play a game and support a company who does things like this.

hotwu

it's a good thing God doesn't charge $14.95 a month to play life... think of all the whining you would see on that forum.

Dinion

If I hadn't canceled months ago I'd cancel today just to show how unpleased I really am with all this.

WARCRYtm

It was ONE person that shited, not all companie(200 devs)

Dont make sence quit the game because of one guy that had his char deleted

Fireburst

Originally posted by WARCRYtm


It was ONE person that shited, not all companie(200 devs)
Dont make sence quit the game because of one guy that had his char deleted

It's not the offender that most are annoyed with, it's the way it was covered up for months and the lack of action by CCP that has ruffled most feathers.

Mordacai

Well, bad news for CCP, Good news for me. Now maybe some of you EVEO's and SWG Refugees that are quitting will have to start looking for a new game. Force of Arms will be the first Mech Sci-fi MMORPG. Look for more info on MMORPG.COM soon or check it out when it debut's at the GDC March 5-9th in San Fransisco.

Sinuous

Originally posted by hotwu


it's a good thing God doesn't charge $14.95 a month to play life... think of all the whining you would see on that forum.

I'd just cancel my subscription. *BANG*