Brad McQuaid vs IGE.... Vanguard gold for sale.

Shannia

We all knew it was coming and it looks like Sigil (Brad McQuaid) lost.  Let's see how effective of a job Sigil can do now to stop them.

http://www.ige.com/vsoh/gold/vanguardsagaofheroes_en.html

Good luck, Sigil

Lukain

I doubt anything will be done , Sigil have so many more important problem  to go thru ...

matraque

Originally posted by Shannia


We all knew it was coming and it looks like Sigil (Brad McQuaid) lost.  Let's see how effective of a job Sigil can do now to stop them.
http://www.ige.com/vsoh/gold/vanguardsagaofheroes_en.html
Good luck, Sigil

LMAO



Good job... But i have to ask.  How do you prevent this?  Is there a game out there that is not a IGE victim?



hahaha... sorry, thats just laughable.



Here's the main page with all the game they cover:

http://www.ige.com/



Oh no!!! they are all in there!! hahah

random11

Yeah, I to find the whole situation funny. Not because every game is listed, but because Brad thought his wouldn't.. time he made a reality check, he definetly isn't the hottest developer around ...

matraque

Originally posted by random11

Yeah, I to find the whole situation funny. Not because every game is listed, but because Brad thought his wouldn't.. time he made a reality check, he definetly isn't the hottest developer around ...

Well... here's how i see this (really doubt it will happen, but i can dream right?).



First, they need a strategy to deal with it.  What a better strategy then to wait and see their patterns?  They have logs for everything and probably have good search engine to look em up.



Let em do it for a couple weeks months and them ban them based on log activities.



I predict that AoC, LOTRO and all your favorite upcomming games will be on IGN!

TommyKHart

This is why i like how soe create the exchange thing. People moan about how soe supports offline markets but its the best way to keep the no offline market server clean of this

Sceptix

One game already stoped farmers from completly destroying the economy and it was a new concept for most MMO's, the soulbound items.



Im sure there are some developers smart enough to think of another system to combat gold farmers, at least to the point where they dont wreck the entire game economy.



Also it would take a lot of money and resources of the company. Recently Blizzard has made selling their in game items and accounts on ebay illegal, it was a good step. Hopefully SOE follows the trend and makes some kind of effort. I realize ebay is a small problem because IGE still exists, but give it time, i still have hope their business will run out someday lol.



MMO's will change eventually..................... right?

Stoneysilenc

Actually with how hard it is to make money in Vanguard and the overall difficulty of the game, I can see gold going for a higher rate then other games and the farmers are gonna flock here for the higher price.  Unless the game flops and lack of buyers drops the price.

Mr.Knowitall

Well BMQ has been around a long time. If anyone had an opportunity to design an economy that would not allow pharming it was Brad.

Instead he like all other devs before him has chosen to bury his head in the sand whilst making occasional small squeaky noises from his butt, that sometimes could be interpreted as him being against gold selling.

With the combined programing talents of the Sigil team and the knowledge of gold trading in past games there is NO EXCUSE for VSoH to have been released with an unsecure economy. Yet they did it anyway.

And yall will just go ahead and blame IGE.

Stoneysilenc

I am not really sure there is anyway in game that a dev can prevent farmers from doing it.  What I don't understand is why SOE and the other MMO companies don't sue IGE for selling their intellectual property without permission and breaking the EULA.  Get the whole MMO industry together to mass sue IGE and the others and shut them down.  Or tie them up in so many lawsuits that IGE goes bust trying to hire enough lawyers to protect themselves.

Unknown

The only way I see that it could be done to completely stop it, is for the whole economy of an mmo to be completely re-thought.  And most of the things you would have to do to completely stomp it out, people wouldn't like:

1. No tradeskills.  Or if they do exist..only npc exchanges can be made.

2. Automatic Paychecks.  If anyone remembers Final Fantasy VIII, you'll know what I'm talking about.  Instead of grinding so much a week to get a certain amount..you are "issued" a reasonable amount each week.  BUT..as stated in number 1.  Only NPC exchanges can be made.  So your thinking, Ok! I'll just gather a trade/crafters resources and use those as currency..NOPE.  That would have to cease to exist as well. 

So in reality, all your left with is a game that the only time you deal with other players is in adventure groups. And of course, chatting.  No other type of trading between players would exist.  Just player/npc buying and selling.

 

I don't buy virtual money...but because of massive grinds behind some of these games, and the feeling some people get of "falling behind" I don't necessarily blame people for occassionally speeding up their bankroll.  But again, it wouldn't ever completely go away unless you did a combination of those two things up there, sad to say. 

chiege

The only way you can combat the gold trade is to simply keep people from trading gold.  Period.  Story over.

How do you do that?

1) Items traded on the Market are assessed a value by Sigal.  Value is based upon rarity, and the actal number of those items currently in the game.  Rare items have a high value set by Sigal.

2) Gold is never allowed to be traded from one person to the next.  If you need gold, go kill some mobs or do some quests, or sell some items on the Market.  However, the gold you receive does not come from another players account, it comes from Sigal's escrow account maintained by the servers.

Cry and whine about not allowing a guildie to give you free gold?  Who cares,  Cry more noob.

 

That solves the problem.

Deathstrike2

Hold up people.  This is not part of the vision, and therefore, it cannot be happening.  This must be a hoax. 

Lukain

Originally posted by Stoneysilenc

I am not really sure there is anyway in game that a dev can prevent farmers from doing it.  What I don't understand is why SOE and the other MMO companies don't sue IGE for selling their intellectual property without permission and breaking the EULA.  Get the whole MMO industry together to mass sue IGE and the others and shut them down.  Or tie them up in so many lawsuits that IGE goes bust trying to hire enough lawyers to protect themselves.

Simple reason is there scared . If they loss it will open the floodgates  to all kinds of online selling .. every man and there dog would start farming items & ebaying em ..

 

Unknown

Originally posted by chiege


The only way you can combat the gold trade is to simply keep people from trading gold.  Period.  Story over.
How do you do that?
1) Items traded on the Market are assessed a value by Sigal.  Value is based upon rarity, and the actal number of those items currently in the game.  Rare items have a high value set by Sigal.
2) Gold is never allowed to be traded from one person to the next.  If you need gold, go kill some mobs or do some quests, or sell some items on the Market.  However, the gold you receive does not come from another players account, it comes from Sigal's escrow account maintained by the servers.
Cry and whine about not allowing a guildie to give you free gold?  Who cares,  Cry more noob.
 
That solves the problem.

actually you couldn't JUST ban gold trading..because something else would become the replacement currency lol...Haven't you ever watch those prison specials??  Seriously, if ALL you did was ban gold trading between players then..resources for tradeskills and such would become the currency (like it was for Ultima Online even though they sold Gold as well).  I can see it now on IGE lol : 50 Million Purple Frog Eyes for 29.95..15min delivery!!!

You'd have to pretty much cancel out trading alltogether and make NPC/Player trading/selling/buying only.

 

THAT solves the problem

Phife

Here is the top-secret method to stop real money trade in online video games:

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DO NOT F'N BUY IT.

Stoneysilenc

Originally posted by chiege


The only way you can combat the gold trade is to simply keep people from trading gold.  Period.  Story over.
How do you do that?
1) Items traded on the Market are assessed a value by Sigal.  Value is based upon rarity, and the actal number of those items currently in the game.  Rare items have a high value set by Sigal.
2) Gold is never allowed to be traded from one person to the next.  If you need gold, go kill some mobs or do some quests, or sell some items on the Market.  However, the gold you receive does not come from another players account, it comes from Sigal's escrow account maintained by the servers.
Cry and whine about not allowing a guildie to give you free gold?  Who cares,  Cry more noob.
 
That solves the problem.

That wouldn't work because a certain item would become the "money".  Happend in Ac1, Money was worthless so all trades were done in Motes.  The only real way to prevent it is to completely get rid of all trades.

Stoneysilenc

Originally posted by Phife


Here is the top-secret method to stop real money trade in online video games:
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DO NOT F'N BUY IT.

I have left several supposed "RP" guilds on RP servers because they accepted players who bought illegal gold.  They rp'ed that they inherited the money or some stupid thing.

Shannia

Agreed!  That is why I had such high hopes for Star Trek Online.  There really isn't an economy in Star Trek and the federation provides for everything you need.  Now, P.E. is talking about a player economy.  So sad really, there was hope.  I'll continue following STO, but if it is just another "keep-up-with-the-economy-stupid" type games, I'll most likely pass.  There is much more to MMOGs than just economies.  Matter of fact, some of the games I loved the most were NPC driven.  Take FFXI for example, you can buy most everything off of NPCs so there is a built in way to keep the economy in balance.  Saying that, even that game has an IGE type problem.

 

mbblade

well there is absolutely nothign they can do to prevent this. Since IGE is just like you and I when they sign up and play there is no way to determine if a certain char works for IGE. The prevention has always been don't buy it and flame those who do. Nothing will ever change

Nooblord

1g = $20.93

5g = $101.71

10g = $201.31

15g = $298.83

20g = $396.36



You'd have to be insane....

Razorback

Well Mr.Knowitall basically says what Ive always held to be true. The ultimate responsibility rests with the devs.

Several of you have put up ideas that would stop farming cold tomorrow. Unfortunately most of them involve stopping player trade altogether.

What this shows us though is this :

A few people casually discussing this in a thread on a website have come up with several methods of stopping virtual trading DEAD! and we are just basically fans with some gaming experience.

So SURELY the combined minds at Sigil could fashion a more elegant solution if they chose to.

You all are asking me and yourselves to accept the premise that Sigil (and Blizzard and the rest) are capable of creating worlds like VSoH and WoW but are incapable of conceiving a way to secure them.

I dont accept that and Im frankly surprised that any of you do.

Whats lacking here is will, not technology.

Shannia

Originally posted by Razorback


Well Mr.Knowitall basically says what Ive always held to be true. The ultimate responsibility rests with the devs.
Several of you have put up ideas that would stop farming cold tomorrow. Unfortunately most of them involve stopping player trade altogether.
What this shows us though is this :
A few people casually discussing this in a thread on a website have come up with several methods of stopping virtual trading DEAD! and we are just basically fans with some gaming experience.
So SURELY the combined minds at Sigil could fashion a more elegant solution if they chose to.
You all are asking me and yourselves to accept the premise that Sigil (and Blizzard and the rest) are capable of creating worlds like VSoH and WoW but are incapable of conceiving a way to secure them.
I dont accept that and Im frankly surprised that any of you do.
Whats lacking here is will, not technology.

 

I agree.  Brad and company have been on anti IGE type campaign for a long, long time.  The one good news that I see is that they track everything very closely in this game.  If gamerX logs in and goes from having hardly no gold to 10 gold after selling someone some bear meat, then you know who your gold seller and buyer is on the server.  It is going to be very interesting to see how this all plays out.

You nailed it about the will of the company.  Does the company want $30 a month from both parties involved or not?  Let's face it, VSoH was launched in such a state, not even Brad McQuaid wanted it to go.  He did it for pure money reasons.  They couldn't hold back any longer.   Money makes the world go round, and unfortunately without it, you just have to close down.

The choice for Brad and company now is do they want to keep the casuals around or not?  You can see it already.  People are already asking for a gold and more for items in the brokers.  On my server, level 15 items are already 30s or more.   When a player that is casual and logs in to play 2 hours for the night after a 12 hour work day, the last thing they want to do is go grind for 12 hours to buy their level 5 hours for level 10 adventuring gear.  When you bring in the casual crowd, you bring in people that usually have a lot more money than time.  They want to PLAY (i.e. go out ganking players with their friends).  Thus, the IGE types are successful.

Combine all that with a company hurting financially, you can guess which way the company is going to look at gold buying/selling.

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fozzie22

Fror Sigil wanting to stop this happening it would have taken a miricle tbh,simply put it was always going to happen as others have said its how they deal with it now.

 

But this is yet another problem with the comunication outside of the game the lack of offcial forums is a scandal as for having to trawl round god knows how many sites for info is stupid it really is.

 

But this is my only real complaint with VG so far i can put up with the bugs its still new but as i say the lack of official forums is a big bugbear for me.

damond5031

Someone said something about suing the hell out of Ige and its ilk, this would not work. The moment they did this you would see another company pop up in China or the Philippines or god knows where else that the legal arm of the U.S. cannot reach. It is however, kinda funny that no real legal action has been taken against a few of these multimillion dollar outfits; it makes me wonder if there might be  some backdoor dealing going on here between the gold sellers and the mmo biz.