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CBS Poll: 50% Of Americans Say We Will Succeed In Iraq
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CBS News has out a fascinating poll on the war. I say "fascinating" because although it's split on a lot of questions and shows that Americans are generally pessimistic about the war, it also definitively shows that Americans DO NOT want to cut and run in Iraq.
Yet according to Newsbusters, here's how Katie Couric spun the poll numbers:
“Tomorrow the House will begin a three-day debate on a non-binding, symbolic resolution stating its disapproval of President Bush’s Iraq troop build up. But our new CBS News poll shows a majority of Americans wants Congress to go even further. A total of 53 percent say Congress ought to block funding for additional troops or for the war entirely.”
Talk about twisting the facts and burying the lede!
First of all, CBS actually polled on the non-binding surge resolution and Americans are split, but, by a hair, oppose the non-binding surge resolution:
NON-BINDING RESOLUTION AGAINST SENDING MORE TROOPS TO IRAQ
--------------------------------All------Dems---Reps--Inds
Congress should pass: -----44%----57%----26%---47%
Congress should not pass: 45%----29%----65%---43%
Secondly, if you look at the numbers in this poll, it's crystal clear that Americans oppose cutting off the funds for the troops and/or cutting and running in Iraq.
WHAT SHOULD CONGRESS DO ABOUT FUNDING FOR WAR?
Block all funding: 8%
Block funding for more troops: 45%
Allow all funding; 42%
U.S. TROOP LEVELS IN IRAQ SHOULD:
28% say remove all troops.The nation remains divided over the long-term prospects for U.S. success in Iraq. 50% are positive, saying the U.S. is likely to succeed in the end. 47% think success is unlikely.
Only 8% of Americans want to block all funding for the troops in Iraq and only 28% want to bring all the troops home. Moreover, 50% of Americans think we're going to win in the end. Although it would certainly be great if those numbers were better, it's crystal clear that the American people don't support the liberal "wave the white flag to Al-Qaeda plan" in Iraq that Dems like John Murtha, Barack Obama, John Kerry are promoting. That would seem to be a much bigger story than the surge numbers, which it sounds like Couric bungled anyway.
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I can't quite grasp the concept of "winning" that war.
The only thing i expect from the USA is that they stabilize the country enough, and put everything in order as it was before they invaded (well.. without Saddam, bio weapons and mass murdering..).
Firstoff, we can reach a successful resolution to Iraq, but not with the President's plan. A troop surge is insufficient for long term control of Bagdad, and without that control we cannot establish the safe environment necessary to get both sides in the civil war to the bargaining table. Without establishing the groundwork for a diplomatic resolution, the entire country will just go back to civil war once the US leaves. I have serious doubts that the Iraqi governemnt is capable, or willing, to establish that groundwork.
To provide security US forces must be present in sufficient number in both the countryside and Bagdad to prevent the insurgents from just relocating to where we are not. Last night I watched a story on NBC world news in which US troops responded to gunman storming a small grocery store in Bagdad and executing the Shiites that worked there. The US troops arrived after the gunman had left. Consider that the gunman know where the US patrols are, they will hit elsewhere. So, to provide security, more patrols are needed, and to provide more patrols, more troops are needed. 20,000 more in a surge just doesn't cut it, and America lacks the political will to do what has to be done and commit 750,000 troops to Iraq. This requires a draft, and rather than see their sons and daughters sent to Iraq, Americans tie the Presidents hands and say "git 'er done". Won't work.
So, the American people believe we can have a successful resolution to Iraq, but are unwilling to accept the steps necessary to do so.
Oh, and by the way, someone responded to one of my prior posts that this is sectarian violence, and that a political solution would not apply to religious issue. In response to that I would have to point out that it has been pretty successful with religious strife in Northern Ireland. How long were British military troops involved in Northern Ireland before the groundwork for a political resolution occurred? Do the American people have the will to make that sort of a commitment? It has been explained to them over, and over, and many still don't get it. If we will not commit 100% to a solution, rather than make a botched, half assed attempt, we should get out.
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How can the war be won? It's impossible because you can never beat the natives unless you accept that you'll have to kill them all and tbh America and the UK would face war crimes if that happened lol. I don't understand it because we don't even fight back :S some civilian throws rocks at me then i'd shoot em tbh and show em whose boss.
We shud go for a no shit policy :P Step outta line and we shoot ya.
so you'll be like saddam, only worse?
OK...For all you war buffs out there, lets look at this. Am I wrong?.....Absolutely not.
If the world treated WW2 the same way we treat the "War on Terrorism" and the "conflict in the Middle East" this is what it would have been like... *PONDERS*
March 15/16, 1939: Nazis take Czechoslovakia. (Other nations give mild condemnation of Nazi attack but urge Czechoslovakia to be restrained in their response.)
May 22, 1939: Nazis sign 'Pact of Steel' with Italy. (Other nations declare that Italy and Germany signing pact to help each other take over the world "not helpful to the peace process.")
Aug 23, 1939: Nazis and Soviets sign Pact. (The world heralds signing of treaty as a sign of Hitler's good intentions. He wouldn't be signing a peace treaty if he wanted war would he?)
Sept 1, 1939: Nazis invade Poland. (Other nations give mild condemnation of Nazi attack but urge rest of the world to be restrained in their response.)
Sept 3, 1939: Britain, France, Australia and New Zealand declare war on Germany. (World condemns these nations for declaring war. This may cause unrest in Europe!)
Oct, 1939: Nazis begin euthanasia on sick and disabled in Germany. (World mildly condemns this but declares that we must understand the actions of Germany in the context of the horribly unfair treaty of Versailles.)
April 9, 1940: Nazis invade Denmark and Norway. (Other nations give mild condemnation of Nazi attack but urge rest of the world to be restrained in their response.)
May 10, 1940: Nazis invade France, Belgium, Luxembourg and the Netherlands (Other nations give mild condemnation of Nazi attack but urge rest of the world to be restrained in their response.)
June 14, 1940: Germans enter Paris. (Other nations give mild condemnation of Nazi attack but urge rest of the world to be restrained in their response.)
July 10, 1940: Battle of Britain begins. (Other nations give mild condemnation of Nazi attack but urge Britain to be restrained lest they further the "cycle of violence.")
Aug 23/24: First German air raids on Central London. (Other nations give mild condemnation of Nazi attack but urge Britain to be restrained lest they further the "cycle of violence.")
Aug 25/26: First British air raid on Berlin. (World outraged at British attacks! Civilians may have been killed by irresponsible British attacks! World votes 453-4 to condemn Britain!)
Sept 13, 1940: Italians invade Egypt (Other nations give mild condemnation of Italian attack but urge rest of the world to be restrained in their response.)
Nov 20, 1940: Hungary joins the Axis Powers. (World excited! Hopes Hungary may now have the influence to help move the peace process forward. World publicly says they applaud the peace effort they are sure Hungary will soon begin!)
Nov 23, 1940: Romania joins the Axis Powers. (World excited! Hopes Romania may now have the influence to help move the peace process forward. World publicly says they applaud the peace effort they are sure Romania will soon begin!)
Dec 9/10: British begin a western desert offensive in North Africa against the Italians. (World outraged at British attacks! How will we ever have peace if Britain keeps attacking the other side?)
March 11, 1941: President Roosevelt signs the Lend-Lease Act. (World criticizes Americans for selling weaponry to combatants! Announces they should only give food, blankets, and tents if they're going to get involved at all.)
May 10/11, 1941: Heavy German bombing of London; British bomb Hamburg. (World is outraged by British attack on Hamburg! Civilians may of been injured! World condemns Britain in strongest terms and demands they stop bombing anywhere civilians might be!)
June 14, 1941: United States freezes German and Italian assets in America. (Americans accused of "hating all Germans and Italians". 32 lawsuits filed.)
June 22, 1941: Germany attacks Soviet Union as Operation Barbarossa begins. (World upset that treaty broken. They urge president Roosevelt to personally sit down with Stalin and Hitler to negotiate new treaty.)
Sept 29, 1941: Nazis murder 33,771 Jews at Kiev (Other nations give mild condemnation of Nazi murders but urge rest of the world to be restrained in their response.)
Dec 7, 1941: Japanese bomb Pearl Harbor (Other nations give mild condemnation of Japanese attack but urge United States to be restrained in their response.)
Dec 8, 1941: United States and Britain declare war on Japan. (Other nations outraged! Accuse United States of furthering "cycle of violence". World says that Roosevelt calling Dec 7, 1941 "a date which will live in infamy" is "simplistic" and "not helpful.")
Jan 20, 1942: SS Leader Heydrich holds the Wannsee Conference to coordinate the "Final Solution of the Jewish Question." (World declares plan to kill all Jews is "not helpful". Urges Hitler to declare that exterminating all Jews is wrong in German.)
Aug 17, 1942: First all-American air attack in Europe. (World outraged at American aggression! Suggests putting Roosevelt up for war crimes trial!)
Oct 18, 1942: Hitler orders the execution of all captured British commandos. (World takes occasion to remind "Allies" that German prisoners should get extra bratwurst and beer for "Oktoberfest".)
Jan 14-24, 1943: Casablanca conference between Churchill and Roosevelt. During the conference, Roosevelt announces the war can end only with an unconditional German surrender (World outraged! Says that Churchill and Roosevelt must be willing to negotiate with Hitler now while they're being attacked!)
May 13, 1943: German and Italian troops surrender in North Africa. (World demands that relief groups monitor the conditions for German and Italian troops to make sure they're not being "tortured.")
July 25/26, 1943: Mussolini arrested and the Italian Fascist government falls; Marshal Pietro Badoglio takes over and negotiates with Allies (World fears change in Italian leadership will cause "more instability in Europe.")
July 27/28, 1943: Allied air raid causes a firestorm in Hamburg. (World condemns "Allies" raid on Hamburg. Votes 454-2 to order all allied forces to withdraw to their own countries and begin negotiating for peace.)
Jan 6, 1944: Soviet troops advance into Poland. (World condemns Soviet aggression! Demands Soviets stop their "brutal oppression.")
March 18, 1944: British drop 3000 tons of bombs during an air raid on Hamburg, Germany. (World outraged! Citizens of Hamburg "under siege"! World suggests putting troops inbetween combatants in effort to insure a cease fire.)
June 6, 1944: D-Day landings. (World goes nuts! This outrageous aggression by the Allies must not stand!)
June 13, 1944: First German V-1 rocket attack on Britain. (Other nations give mild condemnation of Nazi attack but urge rest of the world to be restrained in their response.)
Sept 1-4, 1944: Verdun, Dieppe, Artois, Rouen, Abbeville, Antwerp and Brussels liberated by Allies. (World urges Allies to negotiate with Axis for peace! World has moment of silence for the German people who may of been harmed in attacks!)
Dec 17, 1944: Waffen SS murder 81 U.S. POWs at Malmedy. (World chides Allies that they had better not treat their prisoners like that!)
Dec 26, 1944: Patton relieves Bastogne. (World outraged! Patton is a "hawk". The fact that the Americans put a man like that in charge of their military shows "they're not serious about peace.")
Feb 13/14, 1945: Dresden is destroyed by a firestorm after Allied bombing raids. (World calls for all allied leaders to be put up for war crimes trial. World expresses "shock and dismay" at Allies "complete disregard" for civilians!)
March 6, 1945: Last German offensive of the war begins to defend oil fields in Hungary. (World comments "Who could blame them after all those allied attacks? Wouldn't you do the same thing in their place?"
April 1, 1945: U.S. troops encircle Germans in the Ruhr(World demands US allow German troops a way out rather than attack.)
April 16, 1945: Soviet troops begin their final attack on Berlin; Americans enter Nuremberg. (World demands that Hitler not be overthrown! He is the elected leader of the German people!)
April 30, 1945: Adolf Hitler commits suicide. (World now very upset! Fears someone "worse than Hitler" may now take his place!)
May 7, 1945: Unconditional surrender of all German forces to Allies. (World upset and concerned about fate of German people. Sends relief groups in to make sure Germans not mistreated!)
June 5, 1945: Allies divide up Germany and Berlin and take over the government. (World outraged! Demands that the "occupation of Germany" end immediately)
Aug 6, 1945: First atomic bomb dropped, on Hiroshima, Japan. (World demands Truman be tried for war crimes. Protestors and peaceniks from across the world flock to Japan to act as human shields)
Aug 9, 1945: Second atomic bomb dropped, on Nagasaki, Japan. (World tells US that dropping atomic bombs will only "create more martyrs" and will encourage more Japanese than ever to turn against the Allies!)
Aug 14, 1945: Japanese agree to unconditional surrender. (World sincerely hopes the citizens on the Axis nations can forgive the Allies for their uncalled for aggression, imperialism, and oppression in this war.)
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"When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!"
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so you'll be like saddam, only worse?
Sounds good to me
I don't get your argument; the poll's numbers were right. It says 53 percent say Congress ought to block fund for additional troops (45%) or for the war entirely (8%). 45 + 8 = 53, I think.
Only 8% of Americans want to block all funding for the troops in Iraq and only 28% want to bring all the troops home. Moreover, 50% of Americans think we're going to win in the end. Although it would certainly be great if those numbers were better, it's crystal clear that the American people don't support the liberal "wave the white flag to Al-Qaeda plan" in Iraq that Dems like John Murtha, Barack Obama, John Kerry are promoting. That would seem to be a much bigger story than the surge numbers, which it sounds like Couric bungled anyway.
Who is "waving the white flag" to Al-Qaeda? Really, don't say things like that, because you know it's not true. That's just conservative rhetoric designed to rally the base, just like "cut and run". "Waving the white flag" has no substance in itself except for a sardonic punchline. If you want to debate proposed policies, at least do it in earnest.
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Your analogy makes no sense at all. The second world war wasn't anything like the Iraqi situation with multiple independant factions trying to achieve multiple goals while each faction is split up in many independant cells...
In WW2 there was a clear enemy, there were clear goals; and this for both sides. Not so in the current Iraq war.
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UK
USA
Russia
vs
Germany
Italy
Japan
Hardly a world war.....
I understand 100% where you are coming from. However, the situation now is that we have gone into Iraq, created quite a mess, and now are responsible for the mess we created. Iraq/Saddam posed no threat what so ever to the United States. The terrorism he was accused of supporting was to funnel money to suicide bombers families, the threat he posed was to Israel. American youth are not bleeding in Iraq for Iraqi freedom, they are bleeding in Iraq for Israeli freedom. We should have thought through our actions and commitment as a society before we went in, not after. Unfortunately, now we are responsible. The poll Outfctrl is citing shows that America feels that responsibility, but lacks the commitment to live up to that responsibility.
Nonsense.
There was no clear enemy nor any clear goals. Countries changed sides right left and centre to suit their own agendas.
The war wasn't mapped out right from the beginng. It started where it started and ended where it ended. Circumstance dictated the events inbetween.
The factional struggles between French resistance groups under German occupation for example very much mirrors that now seen by the Iraqi resistance.
UK, colonies, protectorates and commonwealth (Australia, Singapore, Malaysia, Burma, Bangladesh, South Africa, Iraq, Syria, Israel ,Jordan, Egypt and others), USA controlled philipines at the time), USSR (Russia, all of central asia), France (even though the homeland was conquered, they controlled almost all of northern africa, and had a large standing army), The Netherlands (same as with the french, but instead they controlled Indonesia, and papua New Guinea)
Vs
Third Reich
Japan and "protectorates" (Korea, Manchuria)
Italy and its colonies
there, fixed it for you.
Nonsense.
There was no clear enemy nor any clear goals. Countries changed sides right left and centre to suit heir own agendas.
The war wasn't mapped out right fromt he beginng. It started where it started and ended where it ended. Circumstance dictated the events inbetween.
i would not share your opinion, but do agree with some. In the start there were no clear goals (until the invasion of france for the brits, and pearl harbour for the USA), but there was a clear enemy. Many people saw Germany as a clear threat to global security.
Obviously wars dont go as planned, and i think Mr Bush should have thought of that before he invaded Iraq.
Nonsense.
There was no clear enemy nor any clear goals. Countries changed sides right left and centre to suit heir own agendas.
The war wasn't mapped out right fromt he beginng. It started where it started and ended where it ended. Circumstance dictated the events inbetween.
i would not share your opinion, but do agree with some. In the start there were no clear goals (until the invasion of france for the brits, and pearl harbour for the USA), but there was a clear enemy. Many people saw Germany as a clear threat to global security.
Obviously wars dont go as planned, and i think Mr Bush should have thought of that before he invaded Iraq.
What about the Italians? Were they a clear enemy? No.
The French? No. We fought side by side in france, then we sunk their allied fleet and mounted marine landings against them in Morocco, then we fought side by side again across Europe.
Middle Eastern allegiances changed as fast they ever do. The Jews were bombing us in Palestine and taking refuge from the Germans with us in London.
The Brits and the Germans were expecting to ally against Russia until Germany under estimated our will to honour our mutual defence pact with Poland.
While many people saw Germany as a direct threat to global security, many did not. America for example. The British were the traditional Evil Empire for most people, not the defenders of freedom.
By the closing days Russian and British soldiers, the two greatest allies of the war, were fighting each other.
Nonsense.
There was no clear enemy nor any clear goals. Countries changed sides right left and centre to suit heir own agendas.
The war wasn't mapped out right fromt he beginng. It started where it started and ended where it ended. Circumstance dictated the events inbetween.
i would not share your opinion, but do agree with some. In the start there were no clear goals (until the invasion of france for the brits, and pearl harbour for the USA), but there was a clear enemy. Many people saw Germany as a clear threat to global security.
Obviously wars dont go as planned, and i think Mr Bush should have thought of that before he invaded Iraq.
What about the Italians? Were they a clear enemy? No.
The French? No. We fought side by side in france, then we sunk their allied fleet and mounted marine landings against them in Morocco, then we fought side by side again across Europe.
Middle Eastern allegiances changed as fast they ever do. The Jews were bombing us in Palestine and taking refuge from the Germans with us in London.
The Brits and the Germans were expecting to ally against Russia until Germany under estimated our will to honour our mutual defence pact with Poland.
While many people saw Germany as a direct threat to global security, many did not. America for example.
By the closing days Russian and British soldiers were openly fighting each other.
Well, you're right there, although taking the french as an example at that time isnt a good idea, as there were 2 (well more) french factions (vichy and "free"france)
The jews werent bombing you during the war, but were massively reporting for duty.
America, like all others, had 2 opposing factions (im not sure if it was the democrats or republicans that wanted war..).
The Jews were bombing us. They wanted a Jewish state or something. And yes many of the refugee's did sign up to fight the Germans.
I think France is an excellent example of factionalism and the conflicting intrests of nations in WW2. The U.S. wanted to grab French Morocco while they had their pants down. They had been after Morocco for a long time.
Similarly The U.S. was happy for Britain to be weakened by it's European wars and stayed out of the fight long enough to buy up loads of Brtitish territories in exchange for arms. Everyone was rowing their own boat.
Neither the Democrats nor the Republicans wanted war. Japan and Germany did.
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I understand 100% where you are coming from. However, the situation now is that we have gone into Iraq, created quite a mess, and now are responsible for the mess we created. Iraq/Saddam posed no threat what so ever to the United States. The terrorism he was accused of supporting was to funnel money to suicide bombers families, the threat he posed was to Israel. American youth are not bleeding in Iraq for Iraqi freedom, they are bleeding in Iraq for Israeli freedom. We should have thought through our actions and commitment as a society before we went in, not after. Unfortunately, now we are responsible. The poll Outfctrl is citing shows that America feels that responsibility, but lacks the commitment to live up to that responsibility.
oh I see what you're saying.
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"When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!"
-cheer leading, flag waving American
Wars have never been popular. Truman wasn't the only allied leader they wanted to prosecute for war crimes.
Germany gave France back to the French. They did much the same there as we are doing in Iraq. (Perhaps with better results).
Germany's soveriegnty was only returned to it after our own imposed governmental structure failed. And it was split up between the allies. Namely the French, British, Americans and Russians. The Berlin wall came down in 1989, allied troops are still deployed there to this day.
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