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Bigotry or Prudence
Balerathon
Member UncommonPosts: 29
Hi all!
Yesterday in Scions of Fate it was announced that All IPs from China would be blocked... no case by case, no nothing.. Basically what they said was... If you're from China, You cant play the US version of SoF.
The reason, if you check the SoF forums, is because users who have played the Asian version are aware of a bug/flaw that allows you to exploit the game to make massive amounts of money in short amounts of time. Apperantly (and correct me if im wrong) a good number of IPs from China have been linked to this exploit, Botting, Farming ect.
Since the Devs of both the Asian And US version of SoF are clueless as to the exact nature of this exploit and/or how to fix it, they decided that if they cant fix the problem... they would take out the people who use the problem...
and so.. No more users from China.
Fair? Prudent?
Cheers!
Comments
Bad business decision? perhaps
Poor design and subsequent inability to fix? Sounds like it
Bigotry? I can't imagine how
(edit: spelling)
That sounds like a complete waste of time. Even assuming that no one in the United States that is interested in Scions gets on a chatroom, IMs, Emails, or otherwise contacts someone from China that knows about the exploit, if it is in game and people know to look for it they'll probably find it.
Your comment is so brainless that its hard to say something about it.
Your comment is so brainless that its hard to say something about it.
You can declare anything as "stupid," but without something that supports that observation...
This isn't a case of bigotry since Yulgang was made in China. The Chinese government already makes incredible efforts to restrict internet access to it's population. Not that citizens of China don't have internet access, it's just heavily filtered and monitored access.
Again, elaborate on why my statement is "brainless" or go home. It isn't as if the Republic of China hasn't tried to suppress ideas before.
As you wish...
"Actually, it sounds like China "
Producer of Scions of Fate does not equal China, just as General Motors is not America.
How the fuck do you even come up with that idea?
"exposed to American ideas"
1.Alone the word "American ideas" sounds so nationalist that it makes me cringe... What in hell is an "American Idea"???
Freedom and equality? Raiding others for oil?
2.Do you honestly believe that any high level discussions about politics, world peace or economics will take place in Scions of Fate?
3.Do you think the Chinese Government will think that?
Producer of Scions of Fate does not equal China, just as General Motors is not America.
That's actually a half truth. The corporatism of China is quite a bit different from what we are used to in the west. The government oversees EVERYTHING that legitimate corporations do. Likewise, the government oversees most products that are exported. Unlike Korean games, Chinese games are heavily audited by the Chinese government for political correctness. It's not too much to assume that they would also have a hand in the international distribution of this game as well. I.E. the access rights and segregation of the community.
1.Alone the word "American ideas" sounds so nationalist that it makes me cringe
Shuddering horrors!!! It's NATIONALISM!!! Run for your lives!!!!!!
Seriously, the only reason I put American in there is because "western" didn't exactly fit. There are communist countries in the West and many non-communist countries in the east. I could say "foriegn" ideas, but that becomes equally confusing.
Do you honestly believe that any high level discussions about politics, world peace or economics will take place in Scions of Fate?
It's been said before and I'll repeat it here. Asian gamers play MMOs much different than their western counterparts. While I'll admit to having some pretty deep conversations in Western MMOs, this has always been the exception rather than the norm. On Korean servers, however, the conversation is similar to a public Yahoo chat room. You also see some insanely huge parties (60+) tearing up the wild life. The language barrier would limit this to an extent, but only between non-mandrin / non-cantonese speaking westerners. The opportunity to explore differences would still be present in those people that are second or third generation Chinese immigrants.
Do you think the Chinese Government will think that?
It the general practice of totalitarian governments to cover their asses and close down potential routes of dissident communication. So yeah, I think that they would seriously consider it.
Well, i know there is a lot of American hate, but being Canadian, I have to agree that yes, indeed, they WILL think that, the Chinese gov is insane,
My former b/f was born in china, went to school there and managed to get out.
One example is that his brother committed suicide because he didn't do well enough on a test that would allow him a scholarship out of the country.
Please don't pretend to know what you are talking about just because you dislike America.
Actually I was wondering if was the censors that were hitting the game as well. Just as examples:
Chinesse Government blocks google:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/2231101.stm
Restricting Internet Cafes:
http://www.clearharmony.net/articles/200210/7575.html
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There isn't any evidence that it was the censors but they've done stranger, higher impact things before. The developer's story about some kind of dupe bug they can't close is really weird too.
Same things happen in Japan and other societies that put alot of pressure on younger people.
I know what I am talking about because I was working there for half a year, made many friends and still have contact to them...
"Freedom is just another name for nothing left to lose" - Janis Joplin
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Start here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_mainland_China
and here: http://web.amnesty.org/library/index/engasa170072002
Use google, it does wonders. For someone who says they lived there, the fact that you've apparently overlooked that China is a COMMUNIST, TOTALITARIAN REGIME does not say much for your observational skills.
Same things happen in Japan and other societies that put alot of pressure on younger people.
I know what I am talking about because I was working there for half a year, made many friends and still have contact to them...
Japan is nothing like China. In Japan you can leave any time you want... you can't in China. He didn't kill himself for getting a bad grade, he killed himself because the only way (for him) out of China is to get a scholarship. Which is very rare. My ex got out by getting the Scholarship and obtaining fake documents.
You can be a regular joe skilled worker in Japan and immigrate anytime you want... how is that even close to the same.
Start here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_censorship_in_mainland_China
and here: http://web.amnesty.org/library/index/engasa170072002
There is nothing about "corporate control", "control of exports" or "auditing of games for political correctness" in any of these links... I still wait for links from Jimmy that are actually on topic.
Ah yes very nice! Instead of proving accusations you tell me I should use google myself.
You probably were never in China so I will tell you something: People over there live normal lifes!
Nobody was whispering "Get me out of here" into my ear while I was there. Nobody was complaining about their EVIL TOTALITARIAN COMMUNIST REGIME when nobody was watching.
I only had contact to Students and people who already graduated so my experience might be statistical insignificant but considering that you got your information about China most likely from BBC & Co. I can safely ignore your critic about my "observational skills"...
Oh you cant? Thats new to me...
Probably also to most Chinese citizens because the law www.novexcn.com/entry_exit_citizens.html says you just need a valid passport to leave the Peoples Republic of China...
He didn't kill himself for getting a bad grade, he killed himself because the only way (for him) out of China is to get a scholarship. Which is very rare. My ex got out by getting the Scholarship and obtaining fake documents.
While its sad that the brother of your ex killed himself you certainly should not make it sound as if the government was the reason!
If the only way for him to get out of china was a scholarship it was due to the lack of funds that he couldnt get out.
I have no idea why your ex had to fake his documents... Did he have problems with the law?
Gosh, the British Broadcasting Company and the Associated Press are unreliable sources now?
Is there any point in actually talking to you now?
Plus, in case you didn't notice, the fifth entry in Article 8 is broad enough to deny anyone exit from the country.
As for my personnal opinion, banning all chinese IP is the best method to go for international players outside of Asia. The only alternative is let them in then try to catch the thousands of bots they inevitable unleash, which never works. They have thier own servers, they should stay out of ours. There are only 2 reasons a Chinese player would try to connect to an NA server; Either he has friends in NA or he is a farmer, and farmers are in the extreme majority here.
If you have played a game like lineage 2 you would understand; Its not biggotry, its just well known that there is no other way to deal with them, there are so many that will connect and bot. Im actually quite happy about this, banning chinese IP's is what ncsoft should have done in the first place in lineage 2. China broke the rules, used bots to sell ingame money for thier own personnal gain, and now they are paying the price for that, its really that simple. Companys like ncsoft tried to stop the farmers by manually banning them so the legit chinese could still play, but there was/is no way to manually ban that many people. It will inevitable get so bad that botters will account for huge percents of the population, well into double digit numbers. This is the best way to deal with it and they brought it on themselves, after how horribly they ruined lineage 2's economy from its launch to today, i feel no sympathy for them.
No, but there is also no reason to believe _everything_ the press says.
It was an argument of personal experience vs. 3rd party sources.
Your decision...
I know that there is apparently no use in talking to some of you guys because even if I would have traveled China for 20 years you would still not believe a single word I say if it doesnt fit your view of China...
Because people in the crosshairs of the NSA can travel around in America (or out of it) as they like... (Catchword: TERRORISM!!!11)
Guys, the Chinese government is bad enough... You dont need to make crap up to make it look even worse.
There is nothing to dispute about your first hand reports. Did China censor google? Yes. Did Google have to censor itself to get in? Yes. Did the Government ban minors from webcafes? Yes. You're saying that because you were there and didn't see any protesting censorship that they're not censoring?
What about Falun Gong? The One Child Policy? You think we're talking about a government that is incapable of censoring one video game?
You're the one purporting to the read the minds and hearts of the billion some Chinesse citizens. We're talking about what the government actually did, while most of us are providing single sources which you've bizarrely impugned... I could see you saying Wikipedia is a bad source, but the BBC? What the hell?
What are you talking about? Terroism? You think that we're watching for terroists leaving the United States? Denying them passports?
Hmm..
What to say...What to say.
While the issue at hand is most likely due to the increased amounts of bots, and the fact as they stated in their notice.. The chinese players have their own servers, as do the other countries and needn't play on "foreign" servers. Thats the real truth guys. It's like me logging into WoW of Japan. WHY? Make new zaney friends? Maybe. Exploit the hell out of their under experience? OH HELL YEAH.
While the chinese goverment may not be THE ULTIMATE EVIL, they are still highly iron fisted on their citizens.
Everything from editting the bible, to other works of classical fiction. To fit their stlye.
An instance and take it as you will, a missionary friend of mine was not allowed to bring his personal bible into china and it never made it past their customs.
The bible he used had some slightly differing things in it than the standard, or atleast I am told this.
This is but one case of second hand information I have heard, and while I do not believe all second hand information; my source is highly reliable for telling honest stories.
Now my first hand information comes from speaking with imigrants directly.
The goverment can and is quite able to censor anything it damn well pleases, including peoples personal opinions and until recently (That we know of) you could be jailed and/or executed for speaking against that goverment.
While many may consider china evil as it's views on the western culture is akin to ours on theirs, it is just a goverement that does things differently.
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As for the US raiding for oil, show me where this is true, I always get a kick out of that, my gas prices are UP not DOWN.
And the US sits on a very rich oil supply so we do not need foreign oil, it is only used due to not wanting to deplete our own faster.
If the US wanted to go completely xenophobic and close off EVERYTHING we would be one of the only countries who could accomplish this without falling into deep poverty.
Wow... just wow...
Ok, please show me where I said that china doesnt censor anything...
Go on!
What the fuck does the one child policy has to do with the governments ability to censor video games?
Quote where I said that...
WTF????
I am the only one providing sources here.
Quote or stfu.
AH! Now I get it....
You are just trying to troll me!
Haha nice, good job.
Why else would you try to twist arguments left and right...
No hard feelings eh? A little flaming never hurt anybody.
You probably were never in China so I will tell you something: People over there live normal lifes!
Nobody was whispering "Get me out of here" into my ear while I was there. Nobody was complaining about their EVIL TOTALITARIAN COMMUNIST REGIME when nobody was watching.
I only had contact to Students and people who already graduated so my experience might be statistical insignificant but considering that you got your information about China most likely from BBC & Co. I can safely ignore your critic about my "observational skills"...
Done.
Linking the BBC or Associated Press is providing a source. You are only providing anecdotes. As we've just seen with the prior post, your anecdotal evidence can be controverted by anyone else's anecdotes.
Go on!
What the fuck does the one child policy has to do with the governments ability to censor video games?
Quote where I said that...
WTF????
I am the only one providing sources here.
Quote or stfu.
AH! Now I get it....
You are just trying to troll me!
Haha nice, good job.
Why else would you try to twist arguments left and right...
No hard feelings eh? A little flaming never hurt anybody.
That was ment as a joke in that context, but you have to agree that Afghanistan and Iraq are quite rich on natural resources...
Uuuh I dont know...
www.wto.int/english/res_e/booksp_e/anrep_e/world_trade_report06_e.pdf
Skimming over the WTO report the US is still big in import and export. Suddenly cutting that off would be a huge disaster. I doubt any big industrial country could pull that stunt without suffering.
Sorry you lost.
Uuuh, then some nasty gnome must have hidden the links to bbc in that topic because I certainly cant find any.