Just read it please.

Strangerr

As lately I see ppl accusing other ppl (like me ) of beeing liars when it comes to what specs can run this game so here is 3 pics of my comp and of me running vanguard without any problems on balanced. Dont know why it shows only 12 fps as it feels much smoother but thats enough to show that you CAN play this game WITHOUT any problems on machines like mine so please all you close minded know it all moronic haters stfu if yo have no idea what you are talking about . Thank You Ahh btw I havent even used 1 tweak so i imagine I could make it run even better if i needed.

PS: if there are still ppl trying to say I cheated or something then I can upload you a video of me playing.

PS2:Thats specially for you Viktaal , You wanted proof here it is .

MuffinStump

Well X,

I see you have an AMD 1600+ and 1 meg memory...
What video card are you using?

Deathstrike2

Please define "without any problems"

Strangerr

video card = ati radeon 9800

What I mean by "without any problems " is just exacly that , no system lag whatsoever , sometimes I can get like a 1-2 sec lag when i enter a new area and it start to load up the terrain or when i eneter a city (halgrad ?) and it has to load all the buildings and ppl but after it does that (which really takes a few sec ) everything is smooth and i can run/walk/fight/jump/cast/whatever without having to worry about system lag. My fps is usually constant never dropped below 10fps , usually arround 17-20 which is enough for a smooth play .
Like I said I could even go up to high performance but then when fighting multiple opponents it can get a bit laggy so I prefer to play safe on balanced without any lag (system/graphic lag of course).

DijonCyanide

 

  Excellent to hear that type of machine can possibly handle Vanguard.  It gives me a little hope in the future when reconsidering a Vanguard repurchase.  I already returned my (2) unopened CEs though thank goodness.  If anyone calls you a liar don't take it to heart.  We all have opinions & all are valid to some extent.  If your enjoying Vanguard, good for you & good luck in Telon.  I'm going to wait a bit more before reconsidering since all the trouble with it currently.

  I run an Athlon 2500, 1024 dual-channel RAM, but my card is only a NVidia 5700 Ultra, so much appreciate you showing your set-up, like I said it gives me a little hope.  Till Sigil & SOE get their Vanguard ducks more in a row, I'm waiting to try "EQ3" again though for now. 

JK-Kanosi

Originally posted by Strangerr


video card = ati radeon 9800
What I mean by "without any problems " is just exacly that , no system lag whatsoever , sometimes I can get like a 1-2 sec lag when i enter a new area and it start to load up the terrain or when i eneter a city (halgrad ?) and it has to load all the buildings and ppl but after it does that (which really takes a few sec ) everything is smooth and i can run/walk/fight/jump/cast/whatever without having to worry about system lag. My fps is usually constant never dropped below 10fps , usually arround 17-20 which is enough for a smooth play .

Like I said I could even go up to high performance but then when fighting multiple opponents it can get a bit laggy so I prefer to play safe on balanced without any lag (system/graphic lag of course).

 

What does all the ATI stuff translate to for Nvidia and Intel users? I have a 3.0 Ghz Dual-Core comp with 1gig of ram and a Geforce 7300 vid card. I was pretty much told I couldn't run this game with 1 gig of ram and with my vid card could only use setting no greater than balanced if I was lucky. I was told that it would be ideal to have 2gigs and a Geforce 7900 GT vid card to run it well on balanced settings.

So if what I heard is true, your system is the exception. It would take a lot more than one person posting their low specced computer for me to think it is okay for me to play it on the computer I already have without upgrading it, because there are exceptions to every rule. I am more interested in what the standard is, not the exception. What is the standard for running this game smoothly at balanced settings, without tweaks, and grouped up with others? That is what I want to know. If I can't play every aspect of the game (including raids) with my current computer on balanced settings, I will wait until prices drop on memory and video cards. There is no need for me to rush out and upgrade the computer I just bought 6 months ago when I have a family and a son that could use $300 for something better. Especially when that computer can play every other MMORPG on the market at maxed settings, with the exception of EQ2, which I can play on High settings without a problem and the game looks outstanding.

Recant

Sorry to burst your bubble of fanboism, but this doesn't really prove anything.  Don't get me wrong, I enjoy Vanguard - it's a worthy successor to EQ1, it's a good quality MMO and it ranks along the current favourites.  But this nonsense about Vanguard being playable on crap systems - or even mediocre systems is  ridiculous.



For a start, this toon is level 9.  Given the geographical diversity of the starting races, the high proportion of solo quests under level 10, a system with this setup may be playable enough for this toon.  But Vanguard is a game that is intended for groups, (20% solo, 20% raid, 60% group).  So for 80% of the game, screenshots is all you're going to be seeing.  It'll be a slideshow.



There isn't a snowball's chance in hell that setup is going to be playable in many areas in Vanguard.  Hillbury estate last night for example, is hotly contested group only area and the people in my group were constantly complaining about lag, there were 5 groups inside and many more outside the bulilding.



Sure, you can avoid that area, but there are many other busy areas - this is just at level 20.  What happens when word gets around about an uber dungeon with uber loot? You'll be screwed.



You won't even have a mount at that level.  So you won't be travelling much.  Travelling through Vanguard demands more resources than being boxed in a city, the constant loading of new areas and PC/NPC models will drive your system into the ground.



CTRL+P, get in a group with 6 people, find some group mobs, start fighting, then take a screenshot. THAT'S a demonstration of playability in Vanguard. Many people can play it, but not on the OPs system.

parmenion

1gig of ramm can run into issues if you get a memory leak - paying a few £ to upgrade to 2gigs would make that setup extremely playable, i.e. far beyond what I'm currently playing on and I'm doing fine in widescreen rez.

Ilaya

If you wanna play games, you should have 2GB Ram anyways. Everything else is just dreaming.

Strangerr

---

Originally posted by Recant
Sorry to burst your bubble of fanboism, but this doesn't really prove anything. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy Vanguard - it's a worthy successor to EQ1, it's a good quality MMO and it ranks along the current favourites. But this nonsense about Vanguard being playable on crap systems - or even mediocre systems is ridiculous.For a start, this toon is level 9. Given the geographical diversity of the starting races, the high proportion of solo quests under level 10, a system with this setup may be playable enough for this toon. But Vanguard is a game that is intended for groups, (20% solo, 20% raid, 60% group). So for 80% of the game, screenshots is all you're going to be seeing. It'll be a slideshow.There isn't a snowball's chance in hell that setup is going to be playable in many areas in Vanguard. Hillbury estate last night for example, is hotly contested group only area and the people in my group were constantly complaining about lag, there were 5 groups inside and many more outside the bulilding.Sure, you can avoid that area, but there are many other busy areas - this is just at level 20. What happens when word gets around about an uber dungeon with uber loot? You'll be screwed.You won't even have a mount at that level. So you won't be travelling much. Travelling through Vanguard demands more resources than being boxed in a city, the constant loading of new areas and PC/NPC models will drive your system into the ground.CTRL+P, get in a group with 6 people, find some group mobs, start fighting, then take a screenshot. THAT'S a demonstration of playability in Vanguard. Many people can play it, but not on the OPs system.

---

rofl exacly what I mean by "know-it-all-hater" , let me clear a few things out for you

1. Untill recently I was against playing VG and only cause my friend bought and his machine cant play it (some problem with graphic card not beeing compatible) i took if off him , there goes your fanboy case (dont belive me I dont care , check my post if you want to see that i'm neither a troll or a vg fanboy

2. So me playing group quests in the caves or in hilgrad with 6 ppl and having no problems would disprove your second theory of my system beeing to slow. (dont belive me I can make a video of me grouping and doing some quests in a area with lots of ppl)

3.I posted the screen from the starter town cause I had to go back and make crafting quests which I fergot so I do know how it looks later on.

4.There is something magical in your system called a pagefile You know how it works ? Well if not let me explain . You can create a pagefile which will work exacly like RAM (a bit slower) by going into performance options of your computer , mine is set for 3GB so with my 1 GB of ram + 3GB pagefile i rarely have any problems with VG sucking up memmory (even thou there is a memmory leak sometimes).

So basicly if the only thing you have to prove your case is your own words compared to me having screens and beeing able to provide more if needed please stfu if you have no idea what you are saying Just because you cant play on your uber comp due to your system beein g f****d up dosent mean this game has problems (it does , it has LOTS of problems/bugs but not with performance)

PS: and please please stop calling me a fanboy lol cause i'll prolly jump over to AoC the second it comes out , and the only reason why i posted this is cause I am sick of ppl like that that tend to write crap not having a clue about what they write and I dont care if it is VG , AO or SWG , it just happened that i had VG installed so i could disprove this myth

Recant

Originally posted by Strangerr


 

Originally posted by Recant

Sorry to burst your bubble of fanboism, but this doesn't really prove anything. Don't get me wrong, I enjoy Vanguard - it's a worthy successor to EQ1, it's a good quality MMO and it ranks along the current favourites. But this nonsense about Vanguard being playable on crap systems - or even mediocre systems is ridiculous.
For a start, this toon is level 9. Given the geographical diversity of the starting races, the high proportion of solo quests under level 10, a system with this setup may be playable enough for this toon. But Vanguard is a game that is intended for groups, (20% solo, 20% raid, 60% group). So for 80% of the game, screenshots is all you're going to be seeing. It'll be a slideshow.
There isn't a snowball's chance in hell that setup is going to be playable in many areas in Vanguard. Hillbury estate last night for example, is hotly contested group only area and the people in my group were constantly complaining about lag, there were 5 groups inside and many more outside the bulilding.
Sure, you can avoid that area, but there are many other busy areas - this is just at level 20. What happens when word gets around about an uber dungeon with uber loot? You'll be screwed.
You won't even have a mount at that level. So you won't be travelling much. Travelling through Vanguard demands more resources than being boxed in a city, the constant loading of new areas and PC/NPC models will drive your system into the ground.
CTRL+P, get in a group with 6 people, find some group mobs, start fighting, then take a screenshot. THAT'S a demonstration of playability in Vanguard. Many people can play it, but not on the OPs system.

rofl exacly what I mean by "know-it-all-hater" , let me clear a few things out for you

You are incorrect.  I am a Vanboi. I've played the game a lot.  VG is one of the best MMOs out there. But I am not blind to the games faults.

1. Untill recently I was against playing VG and only cause my friend bought and his machine cant play it (some problem with graphic card not beeing compatible) i took if off him , there goes your fanboy case (dont belive me I dont care , check my post if you want to see that i'm neither a troll or a vg fanboy

You're referring to my "bubble of fanboism" remark.  It wasn't directed at you in particular, just .. oh it just sounded poncey at the time alright?

2. So me playing group quests in the caves or in hilgrad with 6 ppl and having no problems would disprove your second theory of my system beeing to slow. (dont belive me I can make a video of me grouping and doing some quests in a area with lots of ppl)

You mean Halgarad.  And the caves are just that - caves.  It's not bloody difficult to render those generic caves in Vanguard. When you reach your 20s, you will see exactly what I mean.  You'll have time to make a cup of tea between chunks. You have not proven or disproven anything - your screenshots show a newbie toon who hasn't seen the areas of the game that you will be spending the majority of your gaming time in.

3.I posted the screen from the starter town cause I had to go back and make crafting quests which I fergot so I do know how it looks later on.

Very well. But it's not proof like you claim unless you actually post some real gameplay, like group combat, with your FPS displayed - what Vanguard is based around.

4.There is something magical in your system called a pagefile You know how it works ? Well if not let me explain . You can create a pagefile which will work exacly like RAM (a bit slower) by going into performance options of your computer , mine is set for 3GB so with my 1 GB of ram + 3GB pagefile i rarely have any problems with VG sucking up memmory (even thou there is a memmory leak sometimes).

Do not condescend to try to inform me on technical issues.  I know how the pagefile works.    You do not.   If Vanguard is causing your system to page, you are losing heavy performance, hard drive access times are an order of magnitude slower than RAM access times.  Most informed PC gamers will back me up on this. You think that the page file is just "a little slower" than RAM? Puuhleease.  Making your pagefile larger than system defaults going to do bugger all for performance.

So basicly if the only thing you have to prove your case is your own words compared to me having screens and beeing able to provide more if needed please stfu if you have no idea what you are saying Just because you cant play on your uber comp due to your system beein g f****d up dosent mean this game has problems (it does , it has LOTS of problems/bugs but not with performance)

This is correct.  I have posted nothing concrete, but then,  I did not make the assertion that Vanguard is playable on your system.  And you have not proven anything either.   Post your FPS in a group when you're fighting in Hilsbury manor, or similar contested dungeons - not the newbie caves.   The screenshots you posted are totally unindicative of gameplay in Vanguard.  Unless you like standing still.

PS: and please please stop calling me a fanboy lol cause i'll prolly jump over to AoC the second it comes out , and the only reason why i posted this is cause I am sick of ppl like that that tend to write crap not having a clue about what they write and I dont care if it is VG , AO or SWG , it just happened that i had VG installed so i could disprove this myth

Fanboy is just a term I adopted for myself.  I believe we addressed this with your first point.   Unfortunately, I do play Vanguard, and if I say so myself, I do have a clue - you've proven your technical inexperience with your pagefile nonsense.  And once again, those screenshots prove absolutely nothing that a 1.4ghz processor and 1gb ram is playable for Vanguard.  It is not.

Strangerr

1.with 1 gb of ram having 3gb of pagefile is nothing extraorinary (spelling?) but I guess you know some secrets I dont then , never had any problems due to the fact and it only helped me so I do know what I say based on my own expirience .

2. Dont really have have the time to argue with you cause thats pointless , if you dont want to then dont belive me , at least I tried to show that the game is playable on this kind of system and the only thing you did was bitch about it .

3.If you were so good with computers you would have known why this game is playable on my machine and that it has NOTHING to do with my cpu . In the present cpu is about as worthless as a 3 leg when it comes to playing games , the most importand thing is the graphic card and RAM somewhat . Why well because in the past losts of cpu power ....erm you know what If you are so good with comps you know why cpu is no longer the most importand part of the comp when it comes to games with good graphics so i don have to explain.

4. Well its time for me to grab some beer at a pub so i'll be off , if you still want to argue about who is right and who is wrong even thou I am the one playing on that machine then we can continue that tomorrow , lol . Have a good day/night/evening and dont be such a wise guy

Recant

Originally posted by Strangerr


1.with 1 gb of ram having 3gb of pagefile is nothing extraorinary (spelling?) but I guess you know some secrets I dont then , never had any problems due to the fact and it only helped me so I do know what I say based on my own expirience .
2. Dont really have have the time to argue with you cause thats pointless , if you dont want to then dont belive me , at least I tried to show that the game is playable on this kind of system and the only thing you did was bitch about it .
3.If you were so good with computers you would have known why this game is playable on my machine and that it has NOTHING to do with my cpu . In the present cpu is about as worthless as a 3 leg when it comes to playing games , the most importand thing is the graphic card and RAM somewhat . Why well because in the past losts of cpu power ....erm you know what If you are so good with comps you know why cpu is no longer the most importand part of the comp when it comes to games with good graphics so i don have to explain.
4. Well its time for me to grab some beer at a pub so i'll be off , if you still want to argue about who is right and who is wrong even thou I am the one playing on that machine then we can continue that tomorrow , lol . Have a good day/night/evening and dont be such a wise guy

I am sorry but you are still wrong.



For a start, GPU performance is bottlenecked by a poor CPU.  You can't just stick in a phat graphics card into a box and think everything is going to be honkey dorey.  It doesn't work that way.  You don't have to be a computer whizz to know this.  Furthermore, a processor of that standard indicates your motherboard is crap and your bus speeds are crap.  CPU is entirely relevant I'm afraid.



Sorry if I sound like a smart-arse, but these are the facts.



Enjoy your time down the pub.

swede2

My son is playing vanguard on a , i think it about 2ghz intel 1Ggig of Pc2700 ram and a ATI 9600 pro  yup he lags in cities  but guess what he still has alot of fun. Cant remember what the cpu is i bought it so long ago but the ram and card are right  I guess some of us can enjoy games for what they are and dont need them perfect to have fun , myself i need the best or am just not happy playing thats why i spent 4000 grand on a new system to play vanguard and because my boy isnt a whiner he can have my old system which plays vanguard fine just not everything maxed like my new one

Kyleran

Im stuck on a laptop with a Radeon 9800 mobility card that can't be upgraded..and my performance isn't terribly good.

I just purchased a Geforce 6800 (I'm stuck with an AGP bus) for my son's computer (P4,3.0 with 2 gb ram) and I'll be interested to see if the game plays any better on his desktop.

 

mmcguire2

Woot, my system is better then yours



AMD XP 2100 + 1.7Ghz

ATI 9800 Pro <----- A work horse of a card

1GB ram

Gresteh

It's true, you can play an old computer, right now im playing in a 2600 sempron, 1.5gb of ram and a Radeon 9600XT. I can play perfectly, granted, im only getting 12-15 FPS, but i can play. Another thing that you need is a sound card, without a good soundcard you will need to disable the sound because it lowers your FPS a lot. With a good soundcard you will not have that problem.

Shoal

ROFLMAO

Now, let's see a video of your performance where there are 30-40 other players + Mobs around.

Performance is always great when there is nothing going on.

 

Viktaal

Well, where do I begin. Let's just say I do not consider 12fps PLAYABLE. That my friend is a slideshow. How long are your timeouts when you cross a chunk line? I bet - long enough to go make some popcorn, and grab a beverage. If you call that playable, well enjoy. To me that is pure crap and I wouldn't put myself thru such torture.



I also noticed you were alone. Show me a pic of how playable the game is to you in a 5-6man group area. I have a much faster cpu, same GPU, and more ram. When I went into a "group" area I averaged 3fps.  Again, to me that is unacceptable and I refuse to dole out cash in support of such a frustrating experience.



Am I to assume you get no hitching, 30sec + chunk lag, and lockups as you enter a town? Post a video of your gameplay please. I would really be interested in seeing it.  If you manage, get in a full group - 4 dot mob area and take a screenie. Show me a screenie with more than 5 other pc's in veiw. I know what I had for performance, and to me it was attrocious for a "release" version.



If you truly enjoy that experience, and are willing to PAY for it - then mad props.

pollux667

lets take a ss in an empty zone while being static and pretend that the game always play at that frame rate on a shitty computer to lure more players in the game. 

Amathe

So those screenshots are of the supposedly fantastic graphics? Damn that's bland. I've seen free games better then that.

shae

LOL C'mon people you have to see the sarcasm here.

It's a post about someone calling the performance acceptable but with the added twist of showing screenshots of someone standing completely still, with at most 3 people around him/her and geting 11 FPS.

If this isn't sarcasm then I think you just made the argument for the rest of us. Well done.

matraque

Originally posted by Amathe

So those screenshots are of the supposedly fantastic graphics? Damn that's bland. I've seen free games better then that.

Cute...



Check his system specs.  And sorry, VG is not flashy like other games.

Viktaal

Originally posted by shae


LOL C'mon people you have to see the sarcasm here.
It's a post about someone calling the performance acceptable but with the added twist of showing screenshots of someone standing completely still, with at most 3 people around him/her and geting 11 FPS.
If this isn't sarcasm then I think you just made the argument for the rest of us. Well done.

Actually, I called him out on another post. This is his "PROOF" that the game is what he considers playable. Now, it is quite obvious we have extremely differing opinions as to what is "playable". Personally, I would rather have a Chinese perform water torture on me versus playing VG in it's current condition. Hell, you could pull my toe nails off before I would subject myself to the conditions of his game play experiences.



This is proof that Vanbois will goto unfathomed extremes just to play this game.

eburn

Originally posted by Amathe

So those screenshots are of the supposedly fantastic graphics? Damn that's bland. I've seen free games better then that.

I'm not a big hater on Vanguard by any means, but to agree with this statement. 9 Dragons looks pretty sweet in comparison.

Fariic

Kind of pointless arguing with the guy about whether or not the games playable for him.  Different people have different standards when it comes to performance.  I saw a post from one guy who was getting 5fps and he was happy with it.

For those that don't know. 

A 9800 was top of the line when Doom 3 came out. 

Here's the progression of cards on the ATI site as far as driver downloads go; I'm not familliar with the cards from x300-850 as far as generation and performance.

9800

x300

x550

x600

x700

x800

x850

x1300 <---my card

x1600

x1650

x1800

x1900

x1950

Cards that only progress by 50 are in essence the same card with some performance tweaks, like overclocking.  Also the highest end card of a particullar generation are usually just as good as the lowest end card of the next gen.  Like the top of the line n7950 is just as good as the basic 8800 card; there's only a 5% dif in performance between the two cards. 

Bit of advice now.

If you're running something like a 9800 you can upgrade very cheap to a much better card like the 1300 or 1600.  You may be able to find a 1300 for under a hundred US dollars and the 1600 for just over a hundred.  I know when I baugh the 1300 almost a year ago it was only $129. 

This is to the best of my knowledge by the way and well, my knowledge isn't always great

 Edit: I just want to point out to all that see screens like the one the OP posted and think the game doesn't look good based on that.  He's running on a severely outdated card with setting not even close to quality.  VG is MADE to run on top of the line cards, and when the setting are cranked there is a world of dif.  Comparing a game designed to run on a system like the one the OP has and one that is state of the art isn't really a fair comparison, and in a year the former is going to look outdated while the later will not.

Also the guy that thnks the CPU is so important today, your a little misleading.  The dif. between a 2ghz CPU and a 3ghz one with a top of the line Gfx card isn't enough to make a noticable dif.; it's like comparing 1.5 gb of ram to 2 gb of ram.  You have to make a much larger jump to get any really noticable dif.  And a top of the line card doesn't care as much about the processor as you think as most of the new cards coming out are not even going to rely on the on board CPU that much, but you'll need Vista to get there.