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  • iskareotiskareot Member Posts: 2,143

    A wiser post from the person above me....

    It's hard to accept as a Star Wars fan what the did to the name and the IP with SWG..

    It started out great... "Live in the Star Wars universe and live the greatest saga ever told........YOUR OWN"......

    Now??? Now you get to click on some picture of a actors head and be a Jedi.

    Yep... good show, that worked out well..lol

    ______________________________
    I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
    SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
    Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1

  • DistopiaDistopia Member EpicPosts: 21,183
    Originally posted by iskareot

    Originally posted by kobie173


    2+ year vet of SWG (started in Dec. 04), so yeah, I played the pre-CU, CU and NGE versions of the game. This is not in response to any thread in particular, just a general message to some of the players on these boards who feel the need to lump all those who still play into the "10-year-old NGE fanboi crowd."
    Those of us from the old days who still play miss pre-CU just as much as everyone here, bugs and all. I know I do, as does everyone I talk with. The CU was tolerable, though it didn't have the richness and complexity of pre-CU.
    However, there is one thing many of you guys overlook when addressing this issue -- it's Star Wars. The majority of the people remaining in game (however many of us you think there are) are more Star Wars fans than MMO players. You find me another MMO where I can live in a Star Wars universe (even one as FUBARed as the current one), then myself and pretty much everyone I know would be there in a heartbeat.
    But until that day comes, this is all we got. We're not all pre-teens who "want everything handed to us" or any of that shit.
    I thoroughly expect this post to be flamed to hell; however, I read this forum quite a bit and felt the need to chime in. I am no NGE apologist like some of the folks in here -- just a simple man trying to make his way in the universe.
    It's Star Wars. That's why we still play, pure and simple.



    But see (And being a vocal person on this since it all started) ----- This makes you a supporter of what this is.

    Plain and simple.   I am a bigger SW fan then you could ever be, I went to it in 77' at a drive in and from then on I was sold.

    However, being such a big fan this is a INSULT TO THE STAR WARS FRANCHISE.... if you look at the cannon and the level of disrespect to the IP then you can understand this.

    Your looking at it from a stand point of "Well, it's the only SW MMO out there and that is my EXCUSE<--------------- KEY WORD BEING EXCUSE)>

    You are paying for a service or product that is known as one of the most insulted MMOs out there... one of the biggest blunders, worst made games and NOW recently added... award winning in every bad catagory there is to a MMO except one type game.

    This is NOT STAR WARS... this is now, Star Wars for people who need help, or instructions... handed to them without any difficulty whatsoever.

    This game is now more removed from the Star Wars theme then ever.... From the "HOLO BANDS" which is utter bullshit because there is less people in the game....they gave you pretend friends to play with... SORRY --- NOT STAR WARSY OR ICONIC...Or to the 1000000s of Jedi galoping around with FORCE POLE ARMS!  --- Oh yeah, look that one up in the Star Wars books... or movies... SORRY NOT FORCE POLE ARMS IN THEM...

    So while you say this is "Star Wars" --- I tell you as a large fan... that the hardcore fans, find this a sad dissapointment let alone a insult to the Franchise name..

    But the great thing is this...... Look at how LEC has promoted the game over the last year and ask me if anyone is proud of it?

    Look at the playerbase it has attracted?

    Look at it's success and reputation?

    Look at what it did to the MMO community and for that matter the gaming industry!

    If you use common sense and insight, this is NOT STAR WARS... this is now a bastardized version of someones vision WHOM IS NOW FIRED, at the same time a mere shadow of what the Star Wars world should be like or was headed towards in a game...

    So while you say what you need to make yourself feel better... I will do the same except back mine up with the statement of "SWG What was once a world is now just a bad game"....

    ----  NGE is the farthest thing from a good Star Wars game then I think anything that has ever hit the market....

    (Yeah, dancing blue glowies......) --- Yep......You and Helios can call it Iconic and Star Warsy all you want.. I know better...(Crap wait, they fired him too).....lol

    There comes a time when you grab your nads and just say... "Wait a minute I expect more, I won't accept this"...

     

    Star Wars has nothing to do with anything you are talking about here . The fact that  the game was simplified has nothing to do with it being more or less Star Wars . The game is as Star Warsy as it has ever been . Helios is on the DC project BTW , He wasn't fired .

    For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson


  • iskareotiskareot Member Posts: 2,143

    Wrong... the game is less Star Warsy then it has ever been.

    In fact, it feels so cheap that I'm suprised you brought it up/

    It is one big circle that makes that game work, when they made things sound worse, or attempted to control what you could be and or "click" a head and go type feature it started down the wrong road... from the Force Pole Arms to the BH armor dropping like flies for people...

    The game for any Star Wars fan at any of the fan fests, or comin cons with SERIOUS Star Wars fans there... and I mean damn near wacky ones... DO NOT even consider the game at fodder level.    It started well as it never promised you to be Darth or Luke.. or Han for that matter....   You could be yourself.

    Now?  Now you start out by clicking someone else to represent you... it's little things like that to make it Star Wars...

    Sure right now there is Star Wars things in the game... BUT there is also Transformer Star Wars action figures.... So I guess Star Warsy is a matter fact I guess.

    As for Helios... well, he is not freelancing.  He is under contract from what I understand and there was some differences on the SWG staff.   However, if people find out he is working on the DC project and he is one of the master minds behind the biggest MMO blunder EVER then I tend to think less people will trust that product as well.

    I don't see that as a wise move based on track record.   Or for that matter RESULTS. 

    I would not put the guy that made the "Pinto" on the car manufacturing line to help make the bran new "Porshe" if I were them.

    SIM- Star Wars felt better, looked better and had a better mech to it.

    NGE- Star Wars.. looks horrid, feels like Benny Hill and the sounds to the particle effects are ARCADE driven and this does not even touch the mech of it.

    Even I know which one drew more fans...   Hell,  with the population you have now in game proves that.

    Server mergers anyone?

    ______________________________
    I usually picture the Career builder commercial with the room full of monkeys and upside down sales chart when thinking about the SOE/SWG decision making process.....
    SOE's John Blakely and Todd Fiala issued a warning: "Don't make our mistakes." Ref NGE
    Winner of the worst MMOS goes to.... the NGE and SWG..!!! http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm?loadFeature=1034&bhcp=1

  • ArcAngel3ArcAngel3 Member Posts: 2,931
    Originally posted by kobie173


    2+ year vet of SWG (started in Dec. 04), so yeah, I played the pre-CU, CU and NGE versions of the game. This is not in response to any thread in particular, just a general message to some of the players on these boards who feel the need to lump all those who still play into the "10-year-old NGE fanboi crowd."
    Those of us from the old days who still play miss pre-CU just as much as everyone here, bugs and all. I know I do, as does everyone I talk with. The CU was tolerable, though it didn't have the richness and complexity of pre-CU.
    However, there is one thing many of you guys overlook when addressing this issue -- it's Star Wars. The majority of the people remaining in game (however many of us you think there are) are more Star Wars fans than MMO players. You find me another MMO where I can live in a Star Wars universe (even one as FUBARed as the current one), then myself and pretty much everyone I know would be there in a heartbeat.
    But until that day comes, this is all we got. We're not all pre-teens who "want everything handed to us" or any of that shit.
    I thoroughly expect this post to be flamed to hell; however, I read this forum quite a bit and felt the need to chime in. I am no NGE apologist like some of the folks in here -- just a simple man trying to make his way in the universe.
    It's Star Wars. That's why we still play, pure and simple.

     No flames from me.  I have a few old guildmates and good friends that still play for exactly that reason.  They watched their city and guild go up in smoke with the NGE and had to take a break to recover from the shock of it, but they've gone back now and are trying to rebuild.  They love Star Wars and met some good friends in the game that still play.

    I worry that they'll get let down again by SOE, but I love 'em and respect them, and hope they find some fun.  I reserve my frustration and bewilderment for decision-makers at SOE that have done the strangest things, from my point of view, and don't seem to know how to try to heal some of the hurt, repair some of the damage and move ahead productively.

    ArcAngel

  • ArcAngel3ArcAngel3 Member Posts: 2,931
    Originally posted by kobie173


    Well, I wasn't going to go there, because I don't feel that way. Just as the people who still play shouldn't be slandered, neither should those who choose NOT to play anymore, regardless of their internet posting habits.
    I will never say "well, thank god the whiners are gone," because I'd love to see the game return to the point where we could get some vets back. However, I'm not counting my chickens.



    I have to agree with you here kobie.  Criticizing other players isn't going to produce anything good in my view.  This player community has been through the grinder enough, so I try to disagree with others respectfully.  I may not always succeed, but I feel it's a good goal to work at.

    Arc

     

     

  • DundeeDundee Member Posts: 233
    Originally posted by iskareot



    As for Helios... well, he is not freelancing.  He is under contract from what I understand and there was some differences on the SWG staff.   However, if people find out he is working on the DC project and he is one of the master minds behind the biggest MMO blunder EVER then I tend to think less people will trust that product as well.

    As stated elsewhere: Blaming Helios or BlixTev for any part of the NGE is, seriously, just really, really wrong.



    That's what Cao meant by "The types of tumultuous changes brought about by the NGE, of which Thomas(BlixTev)  and Kai (Helios) were not a part, will not happen again."
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