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Liberal Emotion vs. Conservative Logic
outfctrl
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It takes a lot more integrity, character, and courage to be a conservative than it does to be a liberal. That's because at its most basic level, liberalism is nothing more than childlike emotionalism applied to adult issues.
Going to war is mean, so we shouldn't do it. That person is poor and it would be nice to give him money, so the government should do it. Somebody wants to have an abortion, have a gay marriage, or wants to come into the U.S. illegally and it would be mean to say, "no," so we should let them. I am nice because I care about global warming! Those people want to kill us? But, don't they know we're nice? If they did, they would like us! Bill has more toys, money than Harry, so take half of Bill's money and give it to Harry.
The only exception to this rule is for people who aren't liberals. They're racists, bigots, homophobes, Nazis, fascists, etc., etc., etc. They might as well just say that conservatives have "cooties" for disagreeing with them, because there really isn't any more thought or reasoning that goes into it than that.
Unlike liberals, conservatives tend to be primarily concerned with pragmatism, not niceties. This is one of the biggest reasons that conservatives have such a healthy respect for the traditions and institutions that have been proven to work over time and such contempt for those that don't, like the United Nations and the federal government.
Sometimes in politics, that's a tough duty. It's always easier to say, "We're going to use someone else's tax money to give you this right now," than it is to say, "We're going to keep government out of your way and let you do this for yourself." But, that's the path conservatives have chosen for themselves. They’re willing to be attacked and called, in some form or fashion, "mean" in order to advocate policies that are good for the country.
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I guess it's a good time for that quote which is supposedly Churchill's but actually dates back further than him...
""If you're not a liberal when you're 20, you have no heart. If you're not a conservative when you're 40, you have no brain."
I do find it interesting that it is common to be either liberal financially and controlling socially, or liberal socially and controlling financially, but far less common to be either liberal in both or controlling in both.
Bottom line Outfctrl, your still reaching for this "I'm better and smarter than you because I'm conservative" thing. Really its getting old. All your "arguments" have the same rhetoric in them. You used to get me really fired up when I first came to this forum, but now that I know how you react and how you argue, its all very much a bore.
Good day sir. May you live long enough to see the rise of Communist China reign over the U.S.
Eternally mine,
Keebs
The MMO gaming blog I write for.
Right, because it's conservatives that are afraid to stand up and fight for things...sure.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
Not true, Libertarians don't want to be called Liberals. I had a long discussion with a few of them they said something along the lines of "liberal doesn't convene the message of what a true Libertarian stands for" or something to that nature. Although I whole heartedly agree with your first statement.
Liberal, progressive, its all the same stuff to me.
Eternally mine,
Keebs
The MMO gaming blog I write for.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
Traditionalists - People that feel that the United States should be based upon a values system of hard work, care for others, and opportunity.
Secular Progressive - people that believe the United States is an evil nation that needs drastic changes. Secular-progressives are virtual socialists and are implementing change in the United States through judicial activism.
Im guessing you are a fan of O-Reilly?
Don't be terrorized! You're more likely to die of a car accident, drowning, fire, or murder! More people die every year from prescription drugs than terrorism LOL!
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I can pretty much say the same thing right back at Conservatives buddy. The only difference is Liberals are the kid that all parents and other kids, to bad the Liberal kid gets beat up by the bully of the playground, the Conservative kid. This is the kid that thinks on only one level at all times.
"He hit me so I'm going to kick his ass and then his friend's ass"
"No I will not give that poor starving kid my extra snacks he's just going to buy drugs with them"
"Give me MORE SNACKS"
"I don't care if I don't graduate, at least people fear me enough to act like they like me"
"Well you're not like me so you must be evil"
"I hate gay boys, but I LOVE Lesbians!"
Job well done buddy, you really need to look at both sides of the coin once in a while
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
They don't have to be the ones being beat up, but where I am they're definately the underdog. (you live somewhere else so we can't really compare) (I'm in the South...)
Also I wasn't talking about middle/high school I was talking about elementary school and the way the public views these two groups, you're a very different conservative than the ones I know, most of the ones I know would love to be considered bullies.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
"I can pretty much say the same thing right back at Conservatives buddy. The only difference is Liberals are the kid that all parents and other kids, to bad the Liberal kid gets beat up by the bully of the playground, the Conservative kid. This is the kid that thinks on only one level at all times.
"He hit me so I'm going to kick his ass and then his friend's ass"
"No I will not give that poor starving kid my extra snacks he's just going to buy drugs with them"
"Give me MORE SNACKS"
"I don't care if I don't graduate, at least people fear me enough to act like they like me"
"Well you're not like me so you must be evil"
"I hate gay buys, but I LOVE Lesbians!"
Job well done buddy, you really need to look at both sides of the coin once in a while"
How would one go about buying drugs with snacks?
Um, you do know that he referred to Jon Stewart as a Traditionalist like him. You know what that means... YOU'RE ON THE SAME SIDE AS JON STEWART! AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH...
Now that I look at that, I think I want that to be my avatar.
I'm a conservative. That's why I vote Democratic.
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"Its sad when people use religion to feel superior, its even worse to see people using a video game to do it."
--Arcken
"...when it comes to pimping EVE I have little restraints."
--Hellmar, CEO of CCP.
"It's like they took a gun, put it to their nugget sack and pulled the trigger over and over again, each time telling us how great it was that they were shooting themselves in the balls."
--Exar_Kun on SWG's NGE
Now on this categorization by Bill O'Reiley:
Traditionalists - People that feel that the United States should be based upon a values system of hard work, care for others, and opportunity.
So a "traditionalist" is then someone who believes that the United States isn't based upon a "values system of hard work, care for others, and opportunity," but "should be?" How do they intend to turn Americans into these things America isn't, and if they do, would we even still be Americans? Sounds like radicalism, or communism.
Secular Progressive - people that believe the United States is an evil nation that needs drastic changes. Secular-progressives are virtual socialists and are implementing change in the United States through judicial activism.
So a "secular progressive" is then someone who believes "the United States is an evil nation that needs drastic changes?" That doesn't make sense, because I thought the Traditionalists were the ones who said that the United States doesn't value moral things, but rather, "should be based upon a values system of hard work, care for others, and opportunity." So to me, there is no difference. Now this notion that, "secular progressives are virtual socialists," means they are not socialists at all, otherwise, they wouldn't be "virtual socialists," but actual socialists. This notion of implementing change through the judicial system also shows how very stupid the Republicans are. The judicial system can implement no change, because the judicial system has no power to fund or enforce its mandates.
So all in all, I'd have to say that the "traditionalists" are the "radical socialists." They are, because they think government has the right to dictate what you believe and feel, and think government should never enact changes, be that "drastic," or even small, to do what the governed wants them to do.
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"Its sad when people use religion to feel superior, its even worse to see people using a video game to do it."
--Arcken
"...when it comes to pimping EVE I have little restraints."
--Hellmar, CEO of CCP.
"It's like they took a gun, put it to their nugget sack and pulled the trigger over and over again, each time telling us how great it was that they were shooting themselves in the balls."
--Exar_Kun on SWG's NGE
I am my own person, sir. You can call me what you want...its to be expected from someone like you. I truly believe in what I say. There is nothing wrong in what you believe. We all are different.
One day you will see the light. Most likely it will be the last light you see, but it will be a light.
The facts are, you sir, need help. Please watch FOX news to clear your head.
I am my own person, sir. You can call me what you want...its to be expected from someone like you. I truly believe in what I say. There is nothing wrong in what you believe. We all are different.
One day you will see the light. Most likely it will be the last light you see, but it will be a light.
The facts are, you sir, need help. Please watch FOX news to clear your head.
I like you outfctrl. Maybe because you and I both ride bikes (though my twin runs parallell, and yours is probably a V), but I like your honesty.
Now I never voted conservative on anything, but I do have to say this much. Growing up, and sometimes even today, the conservatives were usually a lot more friendly than liberals. They would talk with you, and always be polite. They wouldn't even bring up politics, if it meant being inhospitable.
When disagreements did come up, they made it very clear that they weren't going to hold it against you as a person. Usually though, the one on the left would make these political things personal, far earlier than the conservative would. The funny thing is, the only ones liberals seem to hate worse than conservatives are those who aren't liberal enough. I got a healthy taste of that over a few dinners. If it wasn't the steak I ordered, it was the clothes I wore. If it wasn't the clothes, it was my bare skin color. If it wasn't my skin color, it was my anatomy. And if it wasn't any of those, it was what I read, and wasn't reading.
The thing is though, I see that the conservatives are getting like the liberals, if not worse. This whole, "you are either with us, or against us" thing is going to every conservative's head, and it seems that every time I meet a new neighbor, I get grilled on what I think of the war, or what I think of abortion, or immigration, or taxes. Then I get some paternalistic and condecending lecture, almost as if that old rule you and I grew up with, "you don't talk about religion or politics at the dinner table," no longer applies. Instead, you make sure to ask those kinds of questions before you ask them to dinner, and if they don't answer correctly, they are "the enemy."
Something has got to change, man. Its getting to the point where you can't even go on a ride no more without it being a political statement.
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"Its sad when people use religion to feel superior, its even worse to see people using a video game to do it."
--Arcken
"...when it comes to pimping EVE I have little restraints."
--Hellmar, CEO of CCP.
"It's like they took a gun, put it to their nugget sack and pulled the trigger over and over again, each time telling us how great it was that they were shooting themselves in the balls."
--Exar_Kun on SWG's NGE
Not true, Libertarians don't want to be called Liberals. I had a long discussion with a few of them they said something along the lines of "liberal doesn't convene the message of what a true Libertarian stands for" or something to that nature. Although I whole heartedly agree with your first statement.
Liberal, progressive, its all the same stuff to me.
I didn't say Libertarians wanted to be called Liberal. II should have worded it better, but I meant that people who are politically liberal in the dictionary definition of the word tend to be Libertarians. Libertarians hate the term liberal because it ties them with democrat nutjobs which they have significant disagreement with. The whole point was that what we often call liberal or left wing, is actually the people who call themselves progressive.