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Another Vanguard:SoH review - from a PvPers perspective
Derrico
Member Posts: 42
Just for some background info, Ive been playing MMORPG's since I was 8years old with my brother, Im now 16. I started with Asheron's Call *Darktide* (PvP), and ended with WoW when it got boring. Ive played tons of games but really nothing ever compared to the early days of AC and if anyone else played at that time before the world became desolate and before Microsoft ruined the game you can back me up on this. I still remember how fun the 50 person allegiance battles over cities and raids on other allegiances mansions and hardcore PvP that darktide was known for, and ever since I quit ive been trying to find a good game to replace it. No new games have had sufficient PvP to entertain me for long enough.
Now I started Vanguard a week ago a little skeptical because of all the bad reviews. I dont know if it was because I had set my standards low or not but I was impressed from the beggining. The gameplay IMO is good and I haven't seen nearly as many glitches as everyone has stated are so frequent, and im not running an amazing rig by any standards (AMD 3500, 2g Ram, and a Nvidia 7300GS). I am able to run the graphics on just under medium and the graphics still look great (far better then WoW). Something I greatly liked was the character custimization, this is the most detailed character creation ive ever seen in my life. You can customize every single thing about your guy ranging from the size of your cranium to the length of your shoulders. Now the first thing I did notice that the fighting in a way reminded me of WoW or other games, you can use skills or spells but you also auto attack which is just regular hitting. The starter quests were all fun and kept me entertained, One thing I have noticed about quests is that they seem better done than other games and are more involving, some quests do require alot of time tho, just yesturday I was on the same quest with a group for 4+ hours (this can also be attributed to the fact that we wiped on the bosses many times). Vanguard is by no means a game meant to be solo'd, You can solo up to level 15ish but after that its much quicker and easier to level in a group. The cities in Vanguard are all very well designed, the main city on the continent im on, Qualia is a vast and great looking city far bigger than any ive seen in other games. The PvE and Roleplaying in the game is well done and will deffinently satisfy you if that is what your looking for. Now there are some problems with the game, as since it is not perfect. One thing is don't even try running from mobs if your losing a battle because you won't get away. Mobs follow you for EVER usually to the next zone, this is the most frustrating/annoying thing because 90% of the time you can't get away because not only are the mobs usually faster than you but they never stop following you. Another thing I dislike so far is even though bugs and glitches dont happen nearly as often as people exagerate them to, theyre are still bugs that need to be worked out. Never anything big but sometimes annoying. Also although the game boasts that it has so many choices for races, many of the races look exactly the same. If you were going off looks there would probably be only 8 races. Now for the PvP
For the longest time ive been looking for a new game w/ good PvP and I feel like ive found it. There are two different PvP servers one thats FFA PvP for everyone past level 7, the other is Faction PvP (Good Vs. Evil). I joined the FFA PvP and at level 7 the first thing that happened to me was immediate gankage by a level 13 
, I loved the feeling of being back into PvP. Now most higher levels I met don't usually gank the lower levels, because basically theres no reason to. The reward for PvP is that when you kill someone you get 25% of all theyre money but if you get killed by someone much higher than you they get no reward and there is no penatly for dying. The PvP in Vanguard can be very intense at sometimes, you can run circles around your enemy while beating him with a sword or make your enemies organs explode (if your a bloodmage 
). You can fight anywhere - in cities, at all lowbie areas, theres no non-pvp areas. Your PvP score is shown when someone targets you, it shows your infamy. The more people you kill the more your infamy goes up and when you die you lose infamy points. All in all the PvP is great, if your big on PvPing you won't be let down by Vanguard. A couple of things that I dont like about the PvP is that 1. Some of the classes aren't balanced. A bloodmage wrecks me everytime and I can't even get him 3/4 health because of theyre healing and high damage abilites, Plus the fact that they have drain health which drains 200hp from me and gives it all back to them. Another bad thing about PvP is that druids and shaman can shapeshift in PvP into travel form and bolt away. I saw a level 12 shaman running past me earlier today and shot him with my bow right away only for him to shift and run away.
All in all vanguard is a good game, alot better then people have been making out to be the PvP is great and the PvE is just as good as the PvP. Try it out and don't just listen to everyone who say its a bad game. All in all go buy the game. Feel free to critique/flame/argue about this review.
Waiting On:
Age of Conan
Retired:
AC - DT refugee - L173 UA
AC2 - L50 Lugian Elementalist
WoW - L60 gnome Warlock
V:SoH - 50 rakki Ranger
Comments
okay, I did that because although WoW might not be a good game it has 8+million subscribers and although many people might hate it its the most popular game and most played, If I compared the graphics to a game much less popular and unknown not everyone would know what I was even comparing the looks to
Waiting On:
Age of Conan
Retired:
AC - DT refugee - L173 UA
AC2 - L50 Lugian Elementalist
WoW - L60 gnome Warlock
V:SoH - 50 rakki Ranger
don't be baited:p
Interesting to see a pvper enjoy Vanguard, didn't think that audience would really enjoy it with Vanguard's main emphasis of PvE.
Then you just missed out on a well written balanced review. Shame you are unable to face facts.
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Waiting On:
Age of Conan
Retired:
AC - DT refugee - L173 UA
AC2 - L50 Lugian Elementalist
WoW - L60 gnome Warlock
V:SoH - 50 rakki Ranger
Then you just missed out on a well written balanced review. Shame you are unable to face facts.
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If your goona to compare VG gfx compare them to a game that uses a similar gfx theme and style such as EQ2, WoW is as far from VG gfx as you can get, its a usless comparison that serves no purpose other than to start a flame war.I have now read the review but does not make me wanna play, nothing new in VG for me.
PVP is war........
Anyone who gets in a fair fight...has no tactical skills.
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wow.. its been that long since you PvP'd in Vanguard? so, to sum it up you stopped playing on the PvP server during beta when the PvP servers first came up and didnt bother going back? That hiding in trees thing was fixed before Sigil even told us what the final PvP ruleset was going to be..
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All he does is talk about PVP from his perspective. How is that a balanced review of anything?
It's a straight up homage to Vanguard from what I can tell. It's a conversion story, plain and simple.
And as far as character customization goes, how is stretching your avatar slightly in one direction so mind blowing? EQ 2 and other MMOs have equally as detailed character customization schemes. But then again, why do we care about this issue when the game suffers from any number of other, more serious problems?
All he does is talk about PVP from his perspective. How is that a balanced review of anything?
It's a straight up homage to Vanguard from what I can tell. It's a conversion story, plain and simple.
And as far as character customization goes, how is stretching your avatar slightly in one direction so mind blowing? EQ 2 and other MMOs have equally as detailed character customization schemes. But then again, why do we care about this issue when the game suffers from any number of other, more serious problems?
Character sliders=big boobies.
All he does is talk about PVP from his perspective. How is that a balanced review of anything?
It's a straight up homage to Vanguard from what I can tell. It's a conversion story, plain and simple.
And as far as character customization goes, how is stretching your avatar slightly in one direction so mind blowing? EQ 2 and other MMOs have equally as detailed character customization schemes. But then again, why do we care about this issue when the game suffers from any number of other, more serious problems?
Big problems such as . . .?
Ya see, thats the problem with PVP in most MMO's in my opinion. Where's the fun in killing someone who stands no chance of killing you? I want a close fight in PVP, I want to know that it's my skill, or lack of it, that won or lost me the battle. I don't want to either kill someone in 2 seconds without breaking a sweat, or get butchered in 2 seconds. That kind of play is pointless and for people who don't want any kind of challenge.
It's not good tactical skill to wait and kill someone massively lower level than you, there's just no skill at all in it.
Ya see, thats the problem with PVP in most MMO's in my opinion. Where's the fun in killing someone who stands no chance of killing you? I want a close fight in PVP, I want to know that it's my skill, or lack of it, that won or lost me the battle. I don't want to either kill someone in 2 seconds without breaking a sweat, or get butchered in 2 seconds. That kind of play is pointless and for people who don't want any kind of challenge.
It's not good tactical skill to wait and kill someone massively lower level than you, there's just no skill at all in it.
Indeed, quite true. If I want the "god mode button"... I could go fight scripted pixels. It's a game and a game is and should be ongoing even in a so called "war" or especially for it if that's your interest for play.
Destroying it for what reason ever is well... your loss in the end.
All he does is talk about PVP from his perspective. How is that a balanced review of anything?
It's a straight up homage to Vanguard from what I can tell. It's a conversion story, plain and simple.
And as far as character customization goes, how is stretching your avatar slightly in one direction so mind blowing? EQ 2 and other MMOs have equally as detailed character customization schemes. But then again, why do we care about this issue when the game suffers from any number of other, more serious problems?
Where is all this detailed customization in other games. EQ2 seemed to bite dust in this area when I tried it a few months ago. And WOW has about none lol. SWG was nice but still no VG. My biggest issue with VG is lack of hair styles. As for the stretching thing... if you mean the faces its important because its life. We all have noses, ears, eyes etc. Its the positions and shapes that make us look different.
I really don't want to list them all because they've been said many times by many people in the Vanguard General Discussion
But so what? So Vanguard has a detailed avatar creation screen that surpasses other games. Does this game really suck so badly that people have to focus on something that has virtually NOTHING to do with gameplay in order to find something innovative or positive?
That was a prettty good/honest review of Vanguard I believe. I"m still undecided if I want to spend 50 dollars on a SOE game, but it looks pretty sharp. And I hope it haves a good balance of pvp/pve.
Thanks for the info OP.
I really don't want to list them all because they've been said many times by many people in the Vanguard General DiscussionObviously you dont have any, And vanguard is a great game. Id go for the 50$ its worth it IMO
Waiting On:
Age of Conan
Retired:
AC - DT refugee - L173 UA
AC2 - L50 Lugian Elementalist
WoW - L60 gnome Warlock
V:SoH - 50 rakki Ranger
But so what? So Vanguard has a detailed avatar creation screen that surpasses other games. Does this game really suck so badly that people have to focus on something that has virtually NOTHING to do with gameplay in order to find something innovative or positive? Ignoring of course the fact he was responding to your post about the character customisation being nothing special. Let's flip the tables, do the detractors need to focus on something that has virtually NOTHING to do with the gameplay in order to find something flawed or negative?
I really don't want to list them all because they've been said many times by many people in the Vanguard General DiscussionObviously you dont have any, And vanguard is a great game. Id go for the 50$ its worth it IMO
Exactly.
All I have read on here is disapperaing mobs (they reappear if you move around alittle) and the game crashing (hasn't happened to me but one time in 48 hours).
Anything other "big problems?"
Edit: I know. XFire says I have only played 1 hour. I forget to start it when I play. I should have well over 300 hours in WoW as well. lol
What big problems?
Been playing this game since pre-launch.
Have 6 characters ranging from lvl 6 to 22.
Most have put in well over 100 hours in total.
So far i've had:
- 1 Bugged quest
- 1 Crash to desktop - was due to Firefox running in the background
- Numerous "invisible" mobs - however, it should be stated that the percentage of mobs going AWOL must be less than 1 percent of the total mobs i've killed.
Ping is good - ranging from the 150ms till 350ms most times. Graphics perform ok [ 40-60FPS outside solo'ing, and 25-35FPS in a group ] , though it's bad when i go into a new area, but my machine isn't the best. Quests are decent and numerous. And most of all [ for me ] it's fun.Really have no idea where all these massive game-stopping bugs are. Maybe they are in the higher levels....
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Well you are entitled to your opinion, but I have a similar system to your and the game runs like a slug even at medium settings.
Pvp far as I am concerned is a joke because the classes are very unbalanced. They are already filling up with the fotm classes.
Cities are lag havens. The game is at least 6 months from being playable, more bugs than Carter has pills.
It is very typical of a Sony published game, rushed out the door before it is ready.
If you are having an enjoyable experience in Vanguard, more power to you, but the vast majority of people I know have had a lot of very negative experiences so far.