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So, Once again, Silky Venom is down again.
Mrbloodworth
Member Posts: 5,615
So now what? I guess ill search the 19 other sites all day for one bit of info.
I think it’s somewhat sad that we do not have official forums, hosted by the company that made the game, and bandwidth paid for by the money we pay them.
Instead, we have 20 or so fan sites with conflicting information (Click link in sig) and the bandwidth bill goes to those poor community members that run the fan sites.
With 100k+ people playing this game... How did they expect FANS to be able to host things in a reliable manner?
Basically, they have dumped the responsibility and cost onto its fans.
? Discuss...
(BTW, im enjoying the game, i hate this policy)
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
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CONTRIBUTE INTO THE GAMING INDUSTRY! STOP PAYING FOR BORING COPYCATS, UNFINISHED BUGFESTS AND CRANKY JUNKWARE. BE A RESPONSIBLE GAMER!
How so?
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
let me guess...
there is gonna be a relief cause the free month is up and all the people playing VG are gonna go running to whatever game it is that you support?
I see you in VG forums all the time saying nothing but critisism about the game. You have bashed VG in forums where the game wasnt even brought up.
You go ahead and thinkn the gaem is crap, you go ahead and tell everyone VG is gonna be a ghost town when the free trial is up, and you go ahead and feel like you made a difference.
I'll be sure to keep playing a game I like, keep talking to all the people in the game I have made as friends, and I'll be sure enjoy the experience more because people like you arent there.
Too bad there isnt an /addignore in forum boards.
Thalos Vipav
Star Wars Galaxies: R.I.P.
When I want a single-player story, I'll play a single-player game. When I play an MMO, I want a massively multiplayer world.
Please read the post in my sig, and them come back
I understand some people don’t care. and to each his/her own. But I don’t agree with this forum of "Community building", because its not, and IMO, its just a way to skirt the responsibility of same level of customer support that other games provide as a standard.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
of course, just accept it for what it is... Brad said somewhere he hates hearing people talk bad about his game. They knew they were releasing an unfinished product, they knew it would be flame-war central, so they just chose to avoid it all and SPIN IT to sound like they were building communities by letting fansites do it all.
WIth an official forum, it's pretty hard to never reply... i mean, you can do it for a while, but after hundreds of posts about some particular problem, you have to say something eventually. Just look at WoW. Enough threads on a subject, enough views and signs, then you see a blue post, and they say at least something.
Sigil knows this, and just didn't want to be faced with having to reply to thousands of posts about how the game is unfinished and runs like a fat pig. By having such posts scattered among fan sites, they can ignore what they want for as long as they want.... less accountability to the customer.
Only a naive believer would accept the sigil spin on lack of official forums....
I agree but with one caveat: I would rather they spend their money fixing known issues.
Would you rather have an awesome website with all the appropriate information available at a glance, or them to pay those same two web developers to check but reports and crunch code?
I agree but with one caveat: I would rather they spend their money fixing known issues.
Would you rather have an awesome website with all the appropriate information available at a glance, or them to pay those same two web developers to check but reports and crunch code?
Sorry, but this attempt at an excuse and rationale isn’t going to work. Its silly.
The things you listed our not our problem, and we should not suffer cutbacks in service because of it.
I owe them nothing, and i am not there buddy, I’m a customer, and I want official forums.
Bugs, numbers, imbalances are not my problem to fix, or help fix. We pay the same amount for this service as others, where are our forums/site?
While I have some symphony for there project/product, at the end of the day...none of what you listed has any bearing on me as a customer.
And I fell no need for "Good will" on a product I pay for.
That’s the bottom line, and the cold reality of it.
Other than that, i support them in there game... that doesn’t however mean I don’t want what my $$ should be paying for.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
This is one thing that majorly made me go WTF when i registerd for VG
and i went to check out the forums to see whats going on whats going to be fixed in a patch etc and read what people thought about classes to help me get settled when i started vanguard.
There is what a tech forum and one other one
Now anyone who ever had a forum or set one up knows how SIMPLE it is to add more sections
all they gota do is click there little admin window and add it type the name in tadaa new forums
but yet they havent done this .
this screams utter lack of consideration for there customers to comunicate and discuss the game they are paying to pay
with each other and ask the dev's questions etc .
its a complete farse ! just like the game turned out to be to so meny customers
1. regarding your first two statements, I have no idea what sigil devs should or should not be doing. I would think companies have PR kind of people who go thru forums and spin and sell, devs will program and fix bugs. I don't think it's an either-or choice of activities that must be made concerning the devs only, but with sigil and soe, who knows?
2. I never said a lack of official forums implies that the vendor does not post in forums. I said that the lack of official forums implies that the vendors get to CHOOSE what posts they reply to, and IGNORE what posts they do not want to reply to. If there was an official forum, complaints, when in high enough number and focused, they are hard to ignore for ever and not come across as appearing to avoid the hard stuff.
Let me give you an analogy, then maybe you will understand what I just said again.... Imagine I'm going to do an interview of you. There are two ways we could do it.
A. I create a list of questions, email them to you, you choose which questions you answer and in what order you answer them, and email back the replies.
B. We do it live, unrehearsed, on live T.V. I ask you questions you are not ready for, and it's pretty tough for you to avoid answering them, cause you are on the spot so to speak.
Official forums are more akin to B. Lack of any official forum is more akin to A.
3. Your final statement... nice attempt at word twisting... so let me restate to make it very clear. I am saying first that if a vendor desires lack of accountability to customers, then it would make sense to not have official forums. The contrapositive of that implication (having the same truth value of course), is that having official forums implies a willingness to be accountable to the customers. This is not the same thing as saying "official forums implies that there WILL be accountability to the customers, problems get fixed etc". You are argueing against this last statement, which is not the statement I made.
but we've all been thru this discussion before... it's just tiring. I could care less whether or not VG succeeds or not. I would like to play it, but the beta crashed continuously when I played. I'm just waiting for them to fix it release a trial, so I can check it out once it's finished. I get sucked into these threads because I'm so disgusted with the blind faith I see from some people here. Probably some hold over from my church-burning days.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
I agree but with one caveat: I would rather they spend their money fixing known issues.
Would you rather have an awesome website with all the appropriate information available at a glance, or them to pay those same two web developers to check but reports and crunch code?
Sorry, but this attempt at an excuse and rationale isn’t going to work. Its silly.
The things you listed our not our problem, and we should not suffer cutbacks in service because of it.
I owe them nothing, and i am not there buddy, I’m a customer, and I want official forums.
Bugs, numbers, imbalances are not my problem to fix, or help fix. We pay the same amount for this service as others, where are our forums/site?
While I have some symphony for there project/product, at the end of the day...none of what you listed has any bearing on me as a customer.
And I fell no need for "Good will" on a product I pay for.
That’s the bottom line, and the cold reality of it.
Other than that, i support them in there game... that doesn’t however mean I don’t want what my $$ should be paying for.
Don't get you knickers in a knot, I said I agreed with you. If I had the choice, however, I would rather they hire new employees to fix the game rather than make a website I DON'T NEED. I wasn't making excuses, I was telling you what I would want, just like you did.
BTW, would a making a paragraph really ****ing kill you?
I agree but with one caveat: I would rather they spend their money fixing known issues.
Would you rather have an awesome website with all the appropriate information available at a glance, or them to pay those same two web developers to check but reports and crunch code?
Sorry, but this attempt at an excuse and rationale isn’t going to work. Its silly.
The things you listed our not our problem, and we should not suffer cutbacks in service because of it.
I owe them nothing, and i am not there buddy, I’m a customer, and I want official forums.
Bugs, numbers, imbalances are not my problem to fix, or help fix. We pay the same amount for this service as others, where are our forums/site?
While I have some symphony for there project/product, at the end of the day...none of what you listed has any bearing on me as a customer.
And I fell no need for "Good will" on a product I pay for.
That’s the bottom line, and the cold reality of it.
Other than that, i support them in there game... that doesn’t however mean I don’t want what my $$ should be paying for.
Don't get you knickers in a knot, I said I agreed with you. If I had the choice, however, I would rather they hire new employees to fix the game rather than make a website I DON'T NEED. I wasn't making excuses, I was telling you what I would want, just like you did.
BTW, would a making a paragraph really ****ing kill you?
Those are two different departments, and are unrelated, for one..SOE does the websites ETC.... I wasn’t aware that a lead programmer also would need to do forum moderation and maintenance.
Paragraphs are good things, however, most people on forums don’t read but a line at a time, its also a personal preference when posting on forums.
1) Knickers: Your original post was an attempt at marginalizing the issue, but making it seem that the game developers would have to stop making fixes ETC.. to the game to host official forums.
3) I wear boxers.2) The paragraphs issue seems like an attempt to discredit the validity of the content of the posting. Did you have trouble reading the sentences?
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me
Although I think I'm opening a pretty nasty can of worms but, shouldn't the publisher make an official forum? Hell, they got forums for the rest of their games.
I think it's totally insane not to have an official forum to an ONLINE game, no matter what spin people want to give it. Even the lowliest of single player games now a days has a official forum.
[quote]Originally posted by ThalosVipav
[b][quote]Originally posted by Markaj
Too bad there isnt an /addignore in forum boards.[/b][/quote]
There is. The button marked "Block", right next to "Report".
Basically however you guys wanna paint it VG and the forum and overall lack of info about the game...(for EG go find out what Team PVP rulings mean) ie you cant off the official site.
Its bad enough to omit a forum due to technical reasons but to not do one due to "we know the games realeased before finished so we dont want flame wars"
OMG this is a company not the schoolground why on earth trust a company that hides or doesnt give the customer the full range of service...?
Vangaurd imo has alot of promise but end of the day it is just Vista lvl EQ2. nothing more nothing less.
The bad part to VG? SOE - wont even go there but just from the forum side of things, you can feel the SOE input, its just all so famliar.
MY advice to Sigil - listen to your customers like WoW and Blizzard (im not a WOW fanboy btw stopped playing ages ago) but i give to em part of their success is listening and providing services.
As said before we pay these guys for pixels on a screen, over a year thats £1,000 paid in subs per person.
For that i want boards, support and all of it.
I wouldnt expcept steak meal with no steak coz they rushed the steak and it wasnt cooked so they didnt give it to me, i wouldnt go "fine heres the £15 for it anyway...
I agree but with one caveat: I would rather they spend their money fixing known issues.
Would you rather have an awesome website with all the appropriate information available at a glance, or them to pay those same two web developers to check but reports and crunch code?
Sorry, but this attempt at an excuse and rationale isn’t going to work. Its silly.
The things you listed our not our problem, and we should not suffer cutbacks in service because of it.
I owe them nothing, and i am not there buddy, I’m a customer, and I want official forums.
Bugs, numbers, imbalances are not my problem to fix, or help fix. We pay the same amount for this service as others, where are our forums/site?
While I have some symphony for there project/product, at the end of the day...none of what you listed has any bearing on me as a customer.
And I fell no need for "Good will" on a product I pay for.
That’s the bottom line, and the cold reality of it.
Other than that, i support them in there game... that doesn’t however mean I don’t want what my $$ should be paying for.
Don't get you knickers in a knot, I said I agreed with you. If I had the choice, however, I would rather they hire new employees to fix the game rather than make a website I DON'T NEED. I wasn't making excuses, I was telling you what I would want, just like you did.
BTW, would a making a paragraph really ****ing kill you?
Those are two different departments, and are unrelated, for one..SOE does the websites ETC.... I wasn’t aware that a lead programmer also would need to do forum moderation and maintenance.
Paragraphs are good things, however, most people on forums don’t read but a line at a time, its also a personal preference when posting on forums.
1) Knickers: Your original post was an attempt at marginalizing the issue, but making it seem that the game developers would have to stop making fixes ETC.. to the game to host official forums.
3) I wear boxers.2) The paragraphs issue seems like an attempt to discredit the validity of the content of the posting. Did you have trouble reading the sentences?
Yes they are two different departments which are paid for by the same money. Stop being an asshat just for the sake of it.
1) My original post was an attempt to tell you my opinion. I don't need an official forum to go to. I come here for laughs and in game I just figure things out myself.
2) The paragraphs issue was an attempt to make you write in paragraphs which is the proper way of writing if you want to get your point across instead of looking like a kid.
3) Don't get your panties in a twist over every reply to your threads.
Too bad there isnt an /addignore in forum boards.
There is. It's over there on the right of each post. It's called Block.
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"Anyone posting on this forum is not an average user, and there for any opinions about the game are going to be overly critical compared to an average users opinions." - Me
"No, your wrong.." - Random user #123
"Hello person posting on a site specifically for MMO's in a thread on a sub forum specifically for a particular game talking about meta features and making comparisons to other titles in the genre, and their meta features.
How are you?" -Me