I was glad to see the topic of bots copme up,but i can tell you as a 2x player of this game,he is a lier.Although WOW has the lagest quantity of cheats and RMT sales ,this game has the most obvious cheating i have ever seen.The bots and cheating going on is so out in the open for even a noob to notice,there is no way in hell this guy is is telling the truth.I have seen several articles on real life threats and beatings based on this game over in asian communities.The bots literally run in and out of the cities,back n forth to the farming spots.Players are using cheats to run multiple clients,so they can have healers to aid there hacked out PVP.This game should have been buried a long time ago,but i think koreans take this game very seriously over there and alot of them are making there life/living offf rmt sales of this game. Although there was nothing wrong with this interview,id like to see ALOT more intensity brought into the interviews and force out the topic of CHEATING onto a much higher level.Although this game is basically a korean community ,it's games like these that bring out the many cheat programs that soon become a part of north americanized games.If this guy that was interviwed truly has a heart for his product and game ,he would be much animated about the cheating in this game,as is he just came across as a sheer out lier. I might also add,that i was pleasantly surprised to see others posting under this topic about cheating,because frankly i didnt think many cared about the cheating in this game.
For a x2 player of this game you sure don't have any clue about what you are talking about.
1. Botting is not that obvious. There have been multiple times I've been accused of botting when I was running a legit client. Why? Because people are quick to throw that excuse out, especially when they lose in pvp.
2.I have no idea why you are talking abut RL threats and beatings in asian communities. That's in Asia, and it's not like Americans are really great about games either. I can link to dozen of EQ news articles where American players let their children die b/c they were busy playing EQ.
3. You don't need cheats to run multiple L2 clients. I have no idea where you got this idea from.
4. I have no idea what you are talking about Koreans making their living off of adena sales. Koreans don't farm on American servers. Koreans don't even sell adena. Chinese farmers are primarily responsible for the adena trade. Talk to a farmer in game, they sure as hell aren't speaking Korean.
5. I have no idea where you get this "Korean community" thing either. The Koreans play on their own shards. Americans play on American shards.
l2 is the game if you look for a competitive pvp mmorpg
the problem is that even after almost 3 years in the 6th update:
cheating (zoom/wall hacks, ebayed equipment, botting, account sharing) is a huge issue that destroys competition
the openness of pvp (lvl 78 char fights lvl 60 char almost everywhere on the map) and an unbalancad class system makes pvp fun mostly only for high lvl/ selected classes
theres very little (pvp) content for example quests where theres rewards for pvp
im really hoping l2 develops towards fixing those problems but im even more exited about
new games like warhammer online to see if they can fix them from the go.
if your bored, visit my blog at: http://craylon.wordpress.com/ dealing with the look of mmos with the nvidia 3d vision glasses
I have Been Playing L2 for over 3 years now and I love it. I hate the cheaters and I blame NC soft for the botting they could easily fix the program to log off if you even try 2 start that walker program. Yes it will just go back 2 farmers playing like in c1 and c2 but at least that was fun they would PVP for the area and that's how I got most of the 388 PVP points I have now just killing farmers. yea the Grind sucks but you feel good about what you have done. and no I'm not max lvl after 3 years. I always seam 2 come up short on money so I end up making a new player to make some cash 2 fund my main and they all just share armor and weapons. But over the 3 years many of my friends quit and I end up with they gear. I like the free gear but I hate when friends quit. At least the ones that quit 2 go play WOW come back. But some quit forever I lost a dear friend that way.
Point is L2 the best game I ever played and I'm not a gamer so that means nothing lol. But I will play it till the end because I like it that much and all the friends that still play it 90% of them are in the same Alliance with me and it's a big Alliance. Will I play any of the new games coming out in the future.........no. This is my last and final game. L2 is fun and hard.......it makes you happy and sad. But it's takes 2 much time if you want 2 get any were and you may think I don't play that much because I have no player that's max but 6 out of 8 of them is close to max and if you think about the time it takes 2 get 1 near max you think about the time you lost in real life. Is a game really worth all that. NO!
If you can quit playing online games then you have already won. if not your stuck like me but the day Lionna server goes down on L2....... is the day I win......and I get the best prize of them all.
i understand and i am a hardcore gamer. I was one of the first 75's in Siegharth (prolly top 10 sometimes its hard to tell since u cant see other people's levels) But doing crummy hit fixes like adding scrolls and what not doesnt help that much. I understand that the game is geared towards to a different audience than other games, im not asking for a WoW impersonator.. hell, the exp grind would't be much of a hassle, if that wasnt all there was to do. Heros? Seven Signs Competition? Nobles? its all a bunch of crap. Add some real content. The only reason the grind got annoying was because ok.. here i am, 6 hours in the middle of the night in 11th floor ToI, oh yes.. fun fun.. I got my set done everything is good, now what.. *cricket chirps* That;'s really my beef with it, the game is way too shallow. And the game does need alot of customization, maby it has changed since Chron 3 from last time i played, but everybody looked the freaking same. Yeah I saw a Zubei wearing Silver Ranger once in a blue moon, we all got a huge crack out of it too. And I wore a half B grade half A grade set once.. a Spellsinger in C grade my own level could wtfpwn me. I love the world this game was based under, I was a WoW basher when it released and an L2 lover, but the game got annoying after every sorry NCSoft attempt at making this fun. Adding a bunch of dungeons that look exactly the same, trying to fix the karma system by giving you 5 free PKs and a way to take em off through quest (its supposed to be open, let there be a free for all in killing and make some lowbie areas peace zones where u cant fight or something to prevent griefing) . Im just pissed to see them not fixing core problems with the game instead just adding crap after crap. I'll keep my hopes up for Lineage 3
I tend to agree with alot of what Lindrea said.. While it's pretty wide in terms of leveling and such.. it's not a very deep game at all. And, I disagree with an earlier comment about it being the only true open PvP game... Shadowbane is far more open PvP than L2 is. As Lindrea points out, there are penalties in L2, and they have toned down the PvP and its consequences drastically since launch. I remember when a GM would say mob-training someone was a legitimate PvP tactic, as was griefing someone right outside a newbie area (I know, because I reported it once and that was the reply I got).
However, it seems that even NCSoft had to acknowledge that open PvP games are simply not the way to go if you want a large player-base with a healthy flow of new players. They had to tone it down.
As for the botting.. a couple people have tried to basically make it sound "not that bad" and used the fact that it's an open, un-instanced world as the explanation of why there are so many. I would agree with you, if I hadn't also played many other MMOs without instances where botters/farmers were forced to do their thing out in the open.. and I never saw botting even remotely close to what I've seen on a regular basis in L2. Dark Elven Village? Heh... yeah.. Saw at least 15-20 botters, all dwarves in the same gear, the same look and the same nonsense garbled names, running the same exact patterns... Go out to the swamp-lands.. same thing.. they're swarming the hills around there like ants at a picnic. And NCSoft is, at best, completely incompetent at dealing with them. At worst, as some have alleged, they're in league with the RMT farmers. However, when I've reported the same group 3 weeks in a row.. and they were still there a couple weeks after that... it's not so much of a stretch to believe it.
So, while I would find any other point to be subjective and open for debate... the botting thing is a serious problem in L2 and I wish people would stop trying to down-play it, or use relativistic comments like "all MMOs have botting...". It just reeks of intellectual dishonesty. Yes, all MMOs do have some degree of botting/farming - but none that I've ever seen (I've played over 25 to date) even hold a candle to L2 in that regard.
"If you just step away for a sec you will clearly see all the pot holes in the road, and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
i used to play l2 a ton but it gets in way of haveing a life and is way to time consumeing especialy when you have school. i also think they made the grind way to much i played l2 from prelude to about chronical 4 then i was fed up with wasteing time and tired of ebaying so i quit it. i hope they either make it alot better or atleast make it so the grind isnt so ungodly. hopefully they will have their act together by L3 cus the way its looking i dont think ill start back playing L2 in the near future. ill probly just play darkfall when it comes out ,to tide me over till L3.
Lineage 2 not the worst community? GW and WoW might have more kiddies but they're not as vicious as these guys in their late teens early 20s.
What about the russian guy who murdered his clanmate over game problems on franz?
What about the clan leader who's wife and kids got harassed IRL by his enemies in game?
What about the "unofficial" forums that everyone uses where links to trojans are posted IP's are collected and the head moderator made a ploy to get users to idle in IRC to be hacked?
What about the player's clans' forums and ventrilo servers that get hacked and raided?
This game is only about one thing, money.
The real players of this game, the "in" crowd, are nothing but e-thugs and wannabe gangsters.
It sounds like a joke, but cross the wrong people in this game and they'll make your RL miserable.
Originally posted by sepok Lineage 2 not the worst community? GW and WoW might have more kiddies but they're not as vicious as these guys in their late teens early 20s.What about the russian guy who murdered his clanmate over game problems on franz? What about the clan leader who's wife and kids got harassed IRL by his enemies in game? What about the "unofficial" forums that everyone uses where links to trojans are posted IP's are collected and the head moderator made a ploy to get users to idle in IRC to be hacked? What about the player's clans' forums and ventrilo servers that get hacked and raided? This game is only about one thing, money. The real players of this game, the "in" crowd, are nothing but e-thugs and wannabe gangsters. It sounds like a joke, but cross the wrong people in this game and they'll make your RL miserable.
uh... sorry, but no. That Russian guy was retarded for doing that, but that was an isolated incident. I don't know everything about the situation, but it's not like some player got mad, looked up where another player lived and then went and killed him. There was more IRL stuff going on than that. And again - isolated incident. I don't fear for my safety if I tick someone off in-game. I have actually heard of "enemies" in game who live near each other getting together and forming friendships IRL. Or hooking up in other games as friends.
You can't judge a group of people based off of one insane person. Should I think all WoW players are mindless lemmings just because one kid jumped to his death while reinacting a scene from the game? Or that all parents who play WoW are irresponsible just because two parents let their infant daughter die while they played the game? And what about the guy from Legend of Mir III that killed his friend over an in-game weapon? Should I write off both of those games and their entire communities because of a few stupid people?
And I've never heard of the wife and kids getting harassed, but I bet there was IRL stuff involved in that. Nor do I have any idea what you are talking about with the "unofficial" website.
This game is full of players who form stronger bonds of friendship than pretty much any other game out there. L2 is not full of e-thugs. Wow... I seriously think I lost some brain cells just reading your ridiculous post.
Official forums There are 17 registered and 49 anonymous users online.
The real community thrives on psychopathic behavior. It's a tug-o-war of sadism and RL griefing just to protect those thousands of dollars of ebayed assets. Believe it or not.
Nobody ever thinks a simple game could nourish so much cruelty.
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1. Botting is not that obvious. There have been multiple times I've been accused of botting when I was running a legit client. Why? Because people are quick to throw that excuse out, especially when they lose in pvp.
2.I have no idea why you are talking abut RL threats and beatings in asian communities. That's in Asia, and it's not like Americans are really great about games either. I can link to dozen of EQ news articles where American players let their children die b/c they were busy playing EQ.
3. You don't need cheats to run multiple L2 clients. I have no idea where you got this idea from.
4. I have no idea what you are talking about Koreans making their living off of adena sales. Koreans don't farm on American servers. Koreans don't even sell adena. Chinese farmers are primarily responsible for the adena trade. Talk to a farmer in game, they sure as hell aren't speaking Korean.
5. I have no idea where you get this "Korean community" thing either. The Koreans play on their own shards. Americans play on American shards.
i agree with the replies above
l2 is the game if you look for a competitive pvp mmorpg
the problem is that even after almost 3 years in the 6th update:
im really hoping l2 develops towards fixing those problems but im even more exited about
new games like warhammer online to see if they can fix them from the go.
if your bored, visit my blog at:
http://craylon.wordpress.com/ dealing with the look of mmos with the nvidia 3d vision glasses
I have Been Playing L2 for over 3 years now and I love it. I hate the cheaters and I blame NC soft for the botting they could easily fix the program to log off if you even try 2 start that walker program. Yes it will just go back 2 farmers playing like in c1 and c2 but at least that was fun they would PVP for the area and that's how I got most of the 388 PVP points I have now just killing farmers. yea the Grind sucks but you feel good about what you have done. and no I'm not max lvl after 3 years. I always seam 2 come up short on money so I end up making a new player to make some cash 2 fund my main and they all just share armor and weapons. But over the 3 years many of my friends quit and I end up with they gear. I like the free gear but I hate when friends quit. At least the ones that quit 2 go play WOW come back. But some quit forever I lost a dear friend that way.
Point is L2 the best game I ever played and I'm not a gamer so that means nothing lol. But I will play it till the end because I like it that much and all the friends that still play it 90% of them are in the same Alliance with me and it's a big Alliance. Will I play any of the new games coming out in the future.........no. This is my last and final game. L2 is fun and hard.......it makes you happy and sad. But it's takes 2 much time if you want 2 get any were and you may think I don't play that much because I have no player that's max but 6 out of 8 of them is close to max and if you think about the time it takes 2 get 1 near max you think about the time you lost in real life. Is a game really worth all that. NO!
If you can quit playing online games then you have already won. if not your stuck like me but the day Lionna server goes down on L2....... is the day I win......and I get the best prize of them all.
My Life Back .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unreal_Engine_3#Unreal_Engine_3_2 -- Look at the 11th game listed there
That said...
I tend to agree with alot of what Lindrea said.. While it's pretty wide in terms of leveling and such.. it's not a very deep game at all. And, I disagree with an earlier comment about it being the only true open PvP game... Shadowbane is far more open PvP than L2 is. As Lindrea points out, there are penalties in L2, and they have toned down the PvP and its consequences drastically since launch. I remember when a GM would say mob-training someone was a legitimate PvP tactic, as was griefing someone right outside a newbie area (I know, because I reported it once and that was the reply I got).
However, it seems that even NCSoft had to acknowledge that open PvP games are simply not the way to go if you want a large player-base with a healthy flow of new players. They had to tone it down.
As for the botting.. a couple people have tried to basically make it sound "not that bad" and used the fact that it's an open, un-instanced world as the explanation of why there are so many. I would agree with you, if I hadn't also played many other MMOs without instances where botters/farmers were forced to do their thing out in the open.. and I never saw botting even remotely close to what I've seen on a regular basis in L2. Dark Elven Village? Heh... yeah.. Saw at least 15-20 botters, all dwarves in the same gear, the same look and the same nonsense garbled names, running the same exact patterns... Go out to the swamp-lands.. same thing.. they're swarming the hills around there like ants at a picnic. And NCSoft is, at best, completely incompetent at dealing with them. At worst, as some have alleged, they're in league with the RMT farmers. However, when I've reported the same group 3 weeks in a row.. and they were still there a couple weeks after that... it's not so much of a stretch to believe it.
So, while I would find any other point to be subjective and open for debate... the botting thing is a serious problem in L2 and I wish people would stop trying to down-play it, or use relativistic comments like "all MMOs have botting...". It just reeks of intellectual dishonesty. Yes, all MMOs do have some degree of botting/farming - but none that I've ever seen (I've played over 25 to date) even hold a candle to L2 in that regard.
and the cash shop selling asphalt..." - Mimzel on F2P/Cash Shops
What about the russian guy who murdered his clanmate over game problems on franz?
What about the clan leader who's wife and kids got harassed IRL by his enemies in game?
What about the "unofficial" forums that everyone uses where links to trojans are posted IP's are collected and the head moderator made a ploy to get users to idle in IRC to be hacked?
What about the player's clans' forums and ventrilo servers that get hacked and raided?
This game is only about one thing, money.
The real players of this game, the "in" crowd, are nothing but e-thugs and wannabe gangsters.
It sounds like a joke, but cross the wrong people in this game and they'll make your RL miserable.
uh... sorry, but no. That Russian guy was retarded for doing that, but that was an isolated incident. I don't know everything about the situation, but it's not like some player got mad, looked up where another player lived and then went and killed him. There was more IRL stuff going on than that. And again - isolated incident. I don't fear for my safety if I tick someone off in-game. I have actually heard of "enemies" in game who live near each other getting together and forming friendships IRL. Or hooking up in other games as friends.
You can't judge a group of people based off of one insane person. Should I think all WoW players are mindless lemmings just because one kid jumped to his death while reinacting a scene from the game? Or that all parents who play WoW are irresponsible just because two parents let their infant daughter die while they played the game? And what about the guy from Legend of Mir III that killed his friend over an in-game weapon? Should I write off both of those games and their entire communities because of a few stupid people?
And I've never heard of the wife and kids getting harassed, but I bet there was IRL stuff involved in that. Nor do I have any idea what you are talking about with the "unofficial" website.
This game is full of players who form stronger bonds of friendship than pretty much any other game out there. L2 is not full of e-thugs. Wow... I seriously think I lost some brain cells just reading your ridiculous post.
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The real community thrives on psychopathic behavior. It's a tug-o-war of sadism and RL griefing just to protect those thousands of dollars of ebayed assets. Believe it or not.
Nobody ever thinks a simple game could nourish so much cruelty.
If you are posting about L2 on mmorpg.com you do NOT understand L2.
"Those who speak don't know, those who know don't speak" -Lao Tzu
flame on