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Flame Bait: A Lord of the Rings Review

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  • TorakTorak Member Posts: 4,905
    Originally posted by Gameloading

    Originally posted by Torak

    Originally posted by Gameloading

    Originally posted by Mars505

    Sorry gameloading but so does a lot mmo's.  G.E. Has instances as well but yet you fail to mention that.

    And What is the huge difference between what your doing and anyone else, not a damn thing , you are pushing your G.E. just like the rest of the trolls. 



    My personal Opnion , I like instances , It creates smooth game play , as well as making areas become your own level to do your quest without outside interference from gankers. But it is obvious you love gankers , when your at the last part o your quest and get killed by the leet pwnzor. 



    Look at the difference in object models , shaders , and art direction. LotRO is a real game and it just makes you annoyed that G.E will get burried under its wake.
    Why do you even attack a game that has absolutely nothing to do with the subject? I didn't mention G.E because GE is a complete diffrent game that has just about as much in common with LOTRO as potatoes with cars. Lord of the rings online can be compared to WoW because they are simply very much alike.



    Where did I push G.E in this thread? Did you even READ my post?



    But fine, I'll take your bait. Granado Espada is already more successfull then Lord of the rings online will ever be, simple as that. To "attack" a game like GE, you will have to hit the asian market, because that is the most important market. The NA/EU markets are small fry. and unfortunatly for you, Nobody in asia gives a damn about the Lord of the rings. in fact, Turbine won't even release the game in asia, knowing it will bomb there.



    Just to give you a small example. Granado Espada had 100k beta sign ups in Japan.......







    in just 7 hours.

     

    GL, your ability to turn any topic into Asian vs Western is truely frightening.

    I like them both.

    (OMG, there must be something wrong with my brain!!!!! I enjoyed WoW, I played and Loved Lineage2, LotRs is awsome, I've been playing it for 4 months, DAoC was the bomb back in the day, AC was my first love in MMOs, Grando Espada is really fun to play, I'm looking forward to Conan AND Aion.........or could it be that I judge and rate games on their own individual merit? I have superior and diverse gameskillz, I guess lol call me 1337 because I can do P&C AND WASD, I'm da man!!!!)

    PH34R MY 31337 SK177Z

    I didn't turn it into an asian vs western thread, I just completely fail to see why people are attacking G.E. in this thread.

    Just yanking your chain bro  You gotta admit....it does seem to follow you...lol 

  • mas5949mas5949 Member Posts: 26
    I haven't played the game yet ( tried to get into the beta, but didn't succeed) so I can't comment on whether or not it's a good game. Though I think it will do well, at least initially, for one reason. The title. Lord of the Rings is a big name just like Star Wars. It carries a lot of weight and anyone who is a fan is going to want to give it a try. Even I will try the free trial if it ever comes out.



    Though one thing that worries me is the character and class selection. From what I hear you only choose from the good side and aren't allowed to be any of the Mordor characters. Plus from what I can tell the classes are pretty generic. Now with games with EQ2, Vanguard, and even WoW choice is a big deal.
  • Mars505Mars505 Member Posts: 623
    Originally posted by Gameloading

    Originally posted by Mars505

    Sorry gameloading but so does a lot mmo's.  G.E. Has instances as well but yet you fail to mention that.

    And What is the huge difference between what your doing and anyone else, not a damn thing , you are pushing your G.E. just like the rest of the trolls. 



    My personal Opnion , I like instances , It creates smooth game play , as well as making areas become your own level to do your quest without outside interference from gankers. But it is obvious you love gankers , when your at the last part o your quest and get killed by the leet pwnzor. 



    Look at the difference in object models , shaders , and art direction. LotRO is a real game and it just makes you annoyed that G.E will get burried under its wake.
    Why do you even attack a game that has absolutely nothing to do with the subject? I didn't mention G.E because GE is a complete diffrent game that has just about as much in common with LOTRO as potatoes with cars. Lord of the rings online can be compared to WoW because they are simply very much alike.



    Where did I push G.E in this thread? Did you even READ my post?



    But fine, I'll take your bait. Granado Espada is already more successfull then Lord of the rings online will ever be, simple as that. To "attack" a game like GE, you will have to hit the asian market, because that is the most important market. The NA/EU markets are small fry. and unfortunatly for you, Nobody in asia gives a damn about the Lord of the rings. in fact, Turbine won't even release the game in asia, knowing it will bomb there.



    Just to give you a small example. Granado Espada had 100k beta sign ups in Japan.......







    in just 7 hours. G.E is a wow clone , it uses instances.



     I am not worried about how successful LotRo is , I'm worried about having fun inside a game., and i'm having more fun then any game i've played in the last 5 years.  You want to go back to the cultural indifferences between asian and western gamers ,again? I'm from America and really don't care what obsessive compulsive eastern gamers flavor of the month is ...

    who me ?

  • GameloadingGameloading Member UncommonPosts: 14,182
    Originally posted by Mars505

    Originally posted by Gameloading

    Originally posted by Mars505

    Sorry gameloading but so does a lot mmo's.  G.E. Has instances as well but yet you fail to mention that.

    And What is the huge difference between what your doing and anyone else, not a damn thing , you are pushing your G.E. just like the rest of the trolls. 



    My personal Opnion , I like instances , It creates smooth game play , as well as making areas become your own level to do your quest without outside interference from gankers. But it is obvious you love gankers , when your at the last part o your quest and get killed by the leet pwnzor. 



    Look at the difference in object models , shaders , and art direction. LotRO is a real game and it just makes you annoyed that G.E will get burried under its wake.
    Why do you even attack a game that has absolutely nothing to do with the subject? I didn't mention G.E because GE is a complete diffrent game that has just about as much in common with LOTRO as potatoes with cars. Lord of the rings online can be compared to WoW because they are simply very much alike.



    Where did I push G.E in this thread? Did you even READ my post?



    But fine, I'll take your bait. Granado Espada is already more successfull then Lord of the rings online will ever be, simple as that. To "attack" a game like GE, you will have to hit the asian market, because that is the most important market. The NA/EU markets are small fry. and unfortunatly for you, Nobody in asia gives a damn about the Lord of the rings. in fact, Turbine won't even release the game in asia, knowing it will bomb there.



    Just to give you a small example. Granado Espada had 100k beta sign ups in Japan.......







    in just 7 hours. G.E is a wow clone , it uses instances.



     I am not worried about how successful LotRo is , I'm worried about having fun inside a game., and i'm having more fun then any game i've played in the last 5 years.  You want to go back to the cultural indifferences between asian and western gamers ,again? I'm from America and really don't care what obsessive compulsive eastern gamers flavor of the month is ... It seems you misunderstood my post. The poster I quoted used instanced quest as an example which sets Lotro apart from WoW, I merely pointed out that that WoW also has that feature, that so hard to understand?



    Yes, I do think Lotro is a WoW clone, and I can go in great detail as to why (and instanced quest is not an example I would use, mind you), but I simply won't as I know that fans won't apreciate it. I know how annoying it is to see other people bash your favorite game, and my opinion has already been posted by other people on this forum. No need to repeat it, I'll keep my opinion to myself.



    Also I'm not wanting to go into cultural diffrences, it is you who made the comment that Lotro will crush G.E, and for some reason assumed that I'm "annoyed at that". why you came to that conclussion is COMPLETELY beyond me, just like its completely beyond me why people are starting to bash G.E in this thread, why is G.E, even mentioned in the first place?



    Cleffy wrote a review (which, on a sidenote, should be named a preview) and people bash one small detail?



    "What!? Lotro sucks!? Yeah, well I will have you know that your game sucks even more! hah!" seriously..
  • TorakTorak Member Posts: 4,905
    Originally posted by Mars505

    Originally posted by Gameloading

    G.E is a wow clone , it uses instances.



     I am not worried about how successful LotRo is , I'm worried about having fun inside a game., and i'm having more fun then any game i've played in the last 5 years.  You want to go back to the cultural indifferences between asian and western gamers ,again? I'm from America and really don't care what obsessive compulsive eastern gamers flavor of the month is ...Just curious, is Anarchy Online a WoW clone also?  It uses instances......  What about City of Heroes, is that a Wow clone also? Its very heavily instanced.
  • Mars505Mars505 Member Posts: 623
    I said that is because that is how I interrupted gameloafding intial comment , that any game that uses instancing is a wow clone . Sarcasm

    who me ?

  • TorakTorak Member Posts: 4,905
    Originally posted by Mars505

    I said that is because that is how I interrupted gameloafding intial comment , that any game that uses instancing is a wow clone . Sarcasm

    Ah....

    Lately, every forum you go on there is someone, no matter what game, hooting that its a WoW clone.

    I am in the camp UO is a WoW clone now.

    Battlefield 2 is also a WoW clone, there are battlefields and capture the flag. The Sims is also a WoW clone. I can't think of a reason why right now but it is damn it!

  • KemenlithKemenlith Member Posts: 263
    Originally posted by Torak

    Originally posted by Mars505

    I said that is because that is how I interrupted gameloafding intial comment , that any game that uses instancing is a wow clone . Sarcasm

    Ah....

    Lately, every forum you go on there is someone, no matter what game, hooting that its a WoW clone.

    I am in the camp UO is a WoW clone now.

    Battlefield 2 is also a WoW clone, there are battlefields and capture the flag. The Sims is also a WoW clone. I can't think of a reason why right now but it is damn it!

    Lol! That made me laugh.

    Currently: Playing EVE Online
    Previous: FFXI, Dragonrealms, sad little stint in WOWland.
    Awaiting: Fallen Earth, Hero''s Journey, Tabula Rasa, Age of Conan.

  • GameloadingGameloading Member UncommonPosts: 14,182
    Originally posted by Torak

    Originally posted by Mars505

    I said that is because that is how I interrupted gameloafding intial comment , that any game that uses instancing is a wow clone . Sarcasm

    Ah....

    Lately, every forum you go on there is someone, no matter what game, hooting that its a WoW clone.

    I am in the camp UO is a WoW clone now.

    Battlefield 2 is also a WoW clone, there are battlefields and capture the flag. The Sims is also a WoW clone. I can't think of a reason why right now but it is damn it!

    The sims offers playerhousing and therfor is an Ultima Online clone.
  • CleffyIICleffyII Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 3,440

    I don't mean to say the graphics aren't well done.  On a pure technical aspect they are incredibly well produced for an mmo.  However, its the style that erks me on the graphics.  The color scheme is very last gen and in many cases the style is old turbine, DDO and AC2.  Even Hildebrant used Split Complementary color scheme rarely.  If Turbine based thier work off Hildebrandt brothers then they didn't dissect the style into basics.  However, Split Complementary is a color scheme used in just about all the last-gen games.  I mean if you ask a person in school to choose a color scheme it would be split-complementary.  I think the style shows a lack of a mature design team.  I think it really shows how little the game grows on last-gen considering at just the scheme it is the same.  In addition, the texturing style is very last-gen looking, even down to some photoshop filter created hair and wood textures.

    Edit-  The graphical style just shows one of the things that sets this game as a 2nd gen game.  Which ultimately makes it boring since we all have been there.  Same style combat, same skills, same class based system, same player growth, and same style graphics.

    I mean a game should pull you in right from the beginning, not after reaching X level.  It just shows poor design that it takes 10 levels to get someone excited about this game.

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  • JackdogJackdog Member UncommonPosts: 6,321
    Originally posted by CleffyII


    I don't mean to say the graphics aren't well done.  On a pure technical aspect they are incredibly well produced for an mmo.  However, its the style that erks me on the graphics.  The color scheme is very last gen and in many cases the style is old turbine, DDO and AC2.  Even Hildebrant used Split Complementary color scheme rarely.  If Turbine based thier work off Hildebrandt brothers then they didn't dissect the style into basics.  However, Split Complementary is a color scheme used in just about all the last-gen games.  I mean if you ask a person in school to choose a color scheme it would be split-complementary.  I
    you impress me so much, will you bear my children?

    I miss DAoC

  • Mars505Mars505 Member Posts: 623
    Ever hear the phrase "all your eggs in one basket" Think turbine has done an excellent job at starting the story, i'm sure as the expansion come , they will be grittier and grittier just like the  books where it starts kind of happy go lucky and then spirals down an ever canvas of doom and gloom, when all hope is lost , you will be the only shining light in the darkness .

    who me ?

  • KhalathwyrKhalathwyr Member UncommonPosts: 3,133
    Originally posted by CleffyII


    I don't mean to say the graphics aren't well done.  On a pure technical aspect they are incredibly well produced for an mmo.  However, its the style that erks me on the graphics.  The color scheme is very last gen and in many cases the style is old turbine, DDO and AC2.  Even Hildebrant used Split Complementary color scheme rarely.  If Turbine based thier work off Hildebrandt brothers then they didn't dissect the style into basics.  However, Split Complementary is a color scheme used in just about all the last-gen games.  I mean if you ask a person in school to choose a color scheme it would be split-complementary.  I think the style shows a lack of a mature design team.  I think it really shows how little the game grows on last-gen considering at just the scheme it is the same.  In addition, the texturing style is very last-gen looking, even down to some photoshop filter created hair and wood textures.
    Edit-  The graphical style just shows one of the things that sets this game as a 2nd gen game.  Which ultimately makes it boring to me since we all have been there.  Same style combat, same skills, same class based system, same player growth, and same style graphics.
    I mean a game should pull you in right from the beginning, not after reaching X level.  It just shows poor design in my opinion that it takes 10 levels to get someone me excited about this game.

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  • CiredricCiredric Member Posts: 723

    Well I personally think the graphics are very well done.  Even try comparing them to Wow's cartoony graphics is absurd, Turbine is light years ahead of Blizzard on that score.

    Sounds to me like you are trying to impress.   Let me clue you in, you come off as someone that does not have a clue what you are talking about.

  • lannfearlannfear Member Posts: 4

    Am a huge LOTR fan.....read the books ...seen the movies ..and collect to boot....been doing beta and while the game shows promise..good story line and is visually appealing it seems to be lacking..  ..almost as if the developers figurerd that they didn't have to put in the hard yards  as the brand name was enough for the big sell.....my opinion ....but u know they say about opinions

    cheers

  • Mars505Mars505 Member Posts: 623
    Pretty glad I'm not a huge fan of the lore , i am just playing the game for what it is. Fun

    who me ?

  • JackdogJackdog Member UncommonPosts: 6,321
    Originally posted by Mars505

    Pretty glad I'm not a huge fan of the lore , i am just playing the game for what it is. Fun
    QFT

    I miss DAoC

  • Cabe2323Cabe2323 Member Posts: 2,939
    Just wanted to notate that the money isn't in the asian markets.  There pay scheme is way out of whack and doesn't give the same profit level that the NA/EU monthly fees do. 

    Currently playing:
    LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)

    Looking Foward too:
    Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)

  • AurelynAurelyn Member Posts: 100
    Originally posted by quietwolf

    After playing around with it in beta, LOTR just reminds me of a polished version of DDO.
    That's like saying bacon reminds you of eggs... They aren't similar at all... but they have a relationship. In the case of LoTRO and DDO, it is the company making the game. This is fact, not opinion... No debates, end of story. If LoTRO was developed by Aurelyn Inc. instead of Turbine, you wouldn't even be making such a statement.
  • WardancerWardancer Member Posts: 6
    And this happens if you open a game to beta-test.

    People will flame you. Especially if you are dealing with a supposedly-Tolkien game :)



    I hate any game which does not work graphically well in the same machine as Guildwars and Warcraft and this is one of these games.

    Gameplay: Slow graphics, shows promising with your Dual Core processor probably with the latest graphic card but as I said anything failing Guildwars engine and requiring more is: lazy & bad programming.

    MMO: if this was a lag due to max-load/stress tests, poor to be an MO.

    RP: Null,  if Diabolo is RP this game is also RP hence, next one please.

    PvP: is there one? Shuuure that was just PvP what I did...

    Combat/Skill/Spell system: nicely done, another yet complex set of rules 300 skills, is just what we were missing.

    Quests: Kill 10 Wolves, get 6 Worm Hides, get 10 Bandit Amulets. A completely new flavor of questing, next one?



    This is not a Tolkien game and I do not think that old people like me will like it, I am sure that the new Peter Jackson generation will luv it.

    This is a nice looking game for virtual power-mongers but we already have Archlord (well at least their ridiculous payment system is now gone :)) and 100ths of others of the kind.



    If it deserves the 10$ per month or is a WoW competitor?

    At the current stage: Nope.

    Whether it has a potential to deserve? 30%.



    PS: I still believe the best Tolkien game ever made is Hobbit and damn it run on y Spectrum Sinclair!
  • CleffyIICleffyII Member, Newbie CommonPosts: 3,440
    Originally posted by Cabe2323

    Just wanted to notate that the money isn't in the asian markets.  There pay scheme is way out of whack and doesn't give the same profit level that the NA/EU monthly fees do. 



    Its a little ignorant to say that foriegn markets don't produce revenue. 

    Infact companies make more money from 1 Korean Subscriber then they do from 1 US subscriber:

    Source

    Korean Average Users connected: 8062

    Korean Revenue made: 8.4 Million US

    US Average Users connected:  5546

    US Revenue made: 2.7 Million US

    Difference about 2:1

    88.3% of revenue was made from Ragnarok Online sales, the rest was made from ROSE Online sales.  The numbers may show a small diversity due to how successful ROSE Online was between the markets.  It also accounts for revenue made through Memoriabilia shops which currently are not available in the US.  Also the number of online users is an average of users online which is not accuretly representative of the total paying subscription base.

    Still just because the currency value is different doesn't mean its a totally worthless adventure.  I mean you might generate 1/8th as much from 1 person in China then the US, but operations also cost 1/8th as much.  I mean how many people wouldn't set up base in Taiwan if it meant you would make an additional 9.6 million US yearly.

    revenue from Taiwan is much less due to a Host/publisher relationship rather then a subsidary.

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  • YnyrorYnyror Member Posts: 91
    Originally posted by Wardancer

    And this happens if you open a game to beta-test.

    People will flame you. Especially if you are dealing with a supposedly-Tolkien game :)



    I hate any game which does not work graphically well in the same machine as Guildwars and Warcraft and this is one of these games.

    Gameplay: Slow graphics, shows promising with your Dual Core processor probably with the latest graphic card but as I said anything failing Guildwars engine and requiring more is: lazy & bad programming.

    MMO: if this was a lag due to max-load/stress tests, poor to be an MO.

    RP: Null,  if Diabolo is RP this game is also RP hence, next one please.

    PvP: is there one? Shuuure that was just PvP what I did...

    Combat/Skill/Spell system: nicely done, another yet complex set of rules 300 skills, is just what we were missing.

    Quests: Kill 10 Wolves, get 6 Worm Hides, get 10 Bandit Amulets. A completely new flavor of questing, next one?



    This is not a Tolkien game and I do not think that old people like me will like it, I am sure that the new Peter Jackson generation will luv it.

    This is a nice looking game for virtual power-mongers but we already have Archlord (well at least their ridiculous payment system is now gone :)) and 100ths of others of the kind.



    If it deserves the 10$ per month or is a WoW competitor?

    At the current stage: Nope.

    Whether it has a potential to deserve? 30%.



    PS: I still believe the best Tolkien game ever made is Hobbit and damn it run on y Spectrum Sinclair!
    Works just fine on my P42.6 witha 6600gt agp card running ant 1680x1050 on a 22" wide screen  no lag or anything.



    Please L2Computer
  • HadesprimeHadesprime Member Posts: 303
    Originally posted by Ynyror



    Works just fine on my P42.6 witha 6600gt agp card running ant 1680x1050 on a 22" wide screen  no lag or anything.



    Please L2Computer





    the 6600 at 1680 X 1050 ?



    Please L2tonotposttotalbulcrap



    if you would have said the 6800 I would have believed you :P


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