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LOTRO runs smothly on HIGHEST setting , on machine that runs Vanguard as slideshow
Rattrap
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When I tried Vanguard , and found out that i could barely play it , i posted about it in forums. I said that no single PC game should force you to upgrade your PC. Needles to say i was met heads on with flames and insults. My PC that is not best by any means - but was a high range gaming machine two years ago - was pronounced piece of junk.
Well , soprise soprise
I am playing LOTRO (that is in BETA!!) on highest possible graphic settings, with all bells and whistles ...
And it runs like a charm !
...
Would some say Vanguard has much better graphic ?
Well , watch the screenshots and judge for your self...
One thing is clear Turbine - LOTRO team , obviously had some knowledge about how to optimise graphic,reduce polygon count,etc
While Sigil - Vanguard team , hired graphic artists that are maybe good, but never heared you have to optimise graphic for games.
All in all.
Good looking graphic on mid range PC is perfectly doable. As LOTRO team shows.
You just have to know what you are doing... 
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Yeah I was pretty amazed when my 6200LE was running it on highest settings, but only when I was in doors (still amazing graphics in there). When I was outside I had to turn it down to medium settings. Too bad the game bore me =(
I used to have a 6800GT but it friggen broke on me and I had to buy a cheaper one because I had no money, but the 6200LE plays the games I like for now.
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Yeah I always thought the idea that you HAVE to upgrade for a game was silly. I understand advances in technology and what not, but to me it would make more sense to have your game be playable on a broad spectrum of computers. Not just a computer that could run fricken NASA.
And you're right everytime you brought up that point you were immediately belittle and called "not a real gamer" on the vanguard pre-release/beta forums. thats why i have always said that the major reason i stayed away from vanguard is because of the community. Don't get me wrong, every community has thier elitist pricks but Vanguard's community just seems to have an overabundance of them. Just seemed like many are there to stroke thier e-peen about something and having a high end computer is just one of them.
probably also a reason they are lucky if they have 100k subs. though im sure some Vanguard fan will tell me "its a niche game, probably too hard for you so stick with WoW"
way to prove my point
Most people do not even know what good graphics look like,because they have been on consoles there whole life or been playing WOW .The best way for anyone to know what good graphics looks like in a game,is to load up the HI res texture pack in unrealtournament.Go play the game in normal first,then play it with the high res textures and you will be amazed at what youv's been missing.There is grit and graniness to the textures.There is more to a texture of course than just making it hi res,there is the engine that adds special lighting effects and how the shaders react ,how the texture looks under bright daytime and darkness[again lighting plays into it].There is alot that can add to how a game engine plays under the poly count such as using several different meshes,an example would be to use the exact same looking tree over and over or repeating the exact same mesh over and over.
Heck the new unreal tournament is boasting some of there weapons polycounts will be higher than some past tense maps.Some people will love the new technology and great looking games while others myself included will get frustrated,knowing you will need a new upgrade to play them.Now you should also be fair about the whole ordeal as i have become less bitter about the vanguard system specs.This game is not designed to run on a console,so if you want cheap looking graphics then you should be playing console games.I think most people who like to play PC games ,want the envelope pushed further and further every year.THis is a fact as companies dont become stagnant on there video card design,they are pushing for bigger faster all the time.Now you are seeing in the market GAMING rigs sold byevery company out there,so the demand is high for top end performance.
Really in the end you shouldn't bash any game just because it doesn't meet your system specs,that is no way a fair assesment.If you want more realism and definition in the graphic looks of a game,and alot more items placed into the map/world then yep you are going to need one very good rig to play it.If you just want something that is playable then yep console games will always meet the system specs.I play a game now called FFXI that was designed for console.Although i do wish the graphics were top notch ,but i'm happy with the game because of the game content not the quality of the graphics.FFXI is my fave game righ now,but i deffinately wouldn't come on here and tell anyone the graphics are high tech and playable on a low end rig.
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Yes it is very amazing.
My computer is the same. I ran Vanguard on max settings getting a slideshow (playable, but crap.)
I can run LOTR on max settings easily, AND LOTR looks a ton better IMO.
LOTR Graphics > Vanguard's Graphics
LOTR Perforamnce > Vanguard's Feces Covered Coding
DUH! That's why Vanguard is so poor in performance. The coding is covered in feces. Someone should tell Sigil to hire a plumber.
AMD 4200
ATI 850XL
1GB of RAM
Onboard sound card.
Again, would be interested to know what your specs are - or if someone could point me in the right direction.
Cheers.
Given that I have seen posts of people with higher end systems having problems with VSoH and people with mediocre systems having relatively few, it sounds like VSoH has some graphics related coding issues.
Honestly, the problem with Vanguard isn't that people's computers are too weak to run the game at a decent speed. The problem is that the backward scaling written into the engine is piss poor. To be quite honest, there really isn't any. The result is that anybody even one generation behind a certain point in terms of video hardware will be seeing performance ten times worse than somebody else with a card only six months newer.
Honestly, this is the message the developers have given to users whose hardware doesn't support the shaders they chose to optimize, which is the majority of their potential audience: FRO. That's not a sign of a graphics engine which is too state of the art to be run on old machines. That's a sign of incompetent programmers or a team which was too small to handle the task in front of them. Given Vanguard's state of market readiness, I really have to assume that Sigil was simply understaffed and overworked. I doubt Brad really believes it when he says (paraphrased), "I released an incomplete game because I think all games should be works in progress." Monetary issues probably forced his hand.
Sure, with Vanguard, you could just force shaders which your card properly supports, and with a ton of tweaking, you might actually be able to see the right textures and models while doing so. If you do that, believe it or not, you could probably run Vanguard with min specs, and it would look good. Honestly, though, that's the burden of the programmer, not the user. 99% of users don't even have the software installed which can make the necessary changes, and 99% of the 1% that does, doesn't know how to implement a solution on their side.
Oh I didn't care for vanguard at all, but lets not mock UO, if you take away the grafix and sound ratings it rates at 8.5, the highest rated game out there by far, and with good reason, it's simply the most fun mmorpg there is to play.
Oh I didn't care for vanguard at all, but lets not mock UO, if you take away the grafix and sound ratings it rates at 8.5, the highest rated game out there by far, and with good reason, it's simply the most fun mmorpg there is to play.
Er...if UO is the "most fun mmorpg there is to play"..... how come not everyone is playing it?
Be honest, game has more than a few issues.... including being badly outdated by today's standards.....
It was "fun for its day"....but that day is past...
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I have a 4 year old machine with a 2 year old videocard, and I run LotRO fine, even on high settings. I have a 2.4 ghz, 1 gig RAM, 6800 128MB videocard. In fact I am running LotRO so well in beta that I am postponing buying a new computer until late 2007!
Vanguard was unplayable for me in beta. Too much lag to play or even begin to see the graphics well. How would Vanguard run now? Cant say, because I am not about to buy the steaming pile of %^&*. LOL
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well it can't be all that great if a crap vid card can run at highest setting. That just means that theres nothing to it. I would agree that there is something very wrong with VG but being able to have an old crap computer and run at the highest is terrible of the game as well
I don't see how this is something to be proud of. It just means that LOTRO is a cracker-jack game aimed at non-serious gamers with POS computers. My computer is by no means the best of the best, it's quite average, but it plays Vanguard just fine averaging 30+ FPS (which is all the human eye can see anyway). It DID NOT play that smoothly the first week, but now it does thanks to some hard work from the folks at Sigil who have been cleaning up the game quite nicely now that they have some cash.
The only subs LOTRO is going to get is from people who read the books and watch the movies as if they were written by God himself. (Not knocking the franchise, I liked the movies lol). Otherwise no MMO that shallow would get enough subs to keep it afloat.
runs like absolute crap in a crowded area.
Translation runs like just about every other MMO out there.
in the auction house probably 50 other PCs in the area 54 FPS
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outside the Auction Hall in the main town area of Bree which is probably the busiest area of the game 38FPS
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