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Why People Hate Vanguard
Thamoris
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I have figured out who hates Vanguard and why. The break down into categories on these forums....Trolls, WoW victims, Crtitical and cranky old men, Ego maniacs. SoE haters,
I've been thinking about this because Vanuard is truely a fine game and can not understand why some here are soooo vocal and passionate about their dislike for the game.
Trolls ~ I don't have to talk much about these folks. They simply post whatever to create a reaction from people. They make zero effort to check facts and don't care if they are right or wrong.
Solution ~ Don't feed them. Learn to recognize the troll and do not respond. They leave for greener pastures.
WoW victims ~ These people started playing mmo's a couple years ago and know only the WoW way of life...OR...have played mmo's for a long time BUT have been brainwashed by the WoW mind control device. I think some coming from WoW ..thinking they are hot stuff because they are high level in WoW..have all the uber gear..ect and get smaked down hard by the complexity of gameplay in Vanguard. The lack of hand holding in Vanguard combined with the fact that you actualy have to be a GOOD player to be successful consistantly is a rude awakening for these WoW victims. I feel for them..it's not their fault. Transition from one MMO to another can be harsh in any case. A transition from WoW to Vanguard is especially harsh. Take into consideration too..that they often run around in the game like they did in WoW cept they are now not uber lv 60 Hunter..the are noob lv 5 Ranger ..getting their butt kicked. The can't trash talk effectively. For many of the WoW players trying to transition to Vanguard..this is their first major mmo transition and difficult to handle. It's much like one leaving the first girl they loved and trying to love another. All they see is the faults of the new girl and only remember the best parts of their old girlfriend.
Solution ~ No fix for this..they simply have to play more mmo's to come to the understanding that WoW truely is a very easy, watered down mmo. My 7 yr old son can max level in WoW. Anyone that can read can max level in WoW. It's a fun game..but not much of a challenge. Doesn't have to be...just the players need to realize that before going around like they some Vet mmo player.
Critical Old Men ~ These are just your jadded gamers trying to recapture their glory years of EQ1 and UO. Much like an adult trying to recapture the joys and wonderment of youth in real life. They have not come to terms with the fact that they will never again recapture that first mmo addicted feeling where they want nothing more than to log into their happy place forever. Rushing home to get 20 minutes of gameplay during their lunch break to get their " fix ". This upsets them and with each mmo launch they think.." maybe this will be the one ' and are all pissed off when it's not. Resulting in terrible and unfair bashings on the boards here...mostly just to vent. They feed off eachother by responding to eachother...and thus..validating their points of view. I think Vangaurd had a large percentage of these " old timers " thinking this game would be THE ONE . well..let it go yall...it's never going to happen again for yall. Take these games at face value or be miserable for the rest of your life. Your choice. Your expectations are too high.
Solution ~ Be gentle with these folks...the man no harm. Gently guide these folks ...respond softly to them and often they will settle down. Often their years of knowledge can be very helpful once ya break through the cranky barrier. Lower your expectations when starting in a new mmo..... TIP ! ...keep a pocket full of hard candy...they LOVE hard candy.
Ego Maniacs ~ I see this from two angles. Your WoW egos...see WoW victims....and your " I have a killer rig " egos. Now ..I understand there are some issues with Vanguard and it's performance no machine can overcome. I have also seen alot of egos smashed by people who THOUGHT they had a killer rig that crawled and begged for mercy at the hands of Vanguard. I think many of these folks are younger...have more of a console type mentality. They think that with such a killer rig..bought only a year ago..should be able to play anything for years to come. That simply is not so. As a computer gamer for over 15 years...adult gamer for over 15 years...I have had to upgrade my cpu every 1-2 years depending on what games I wanted to play. This has been a fact and a sore point for cpu gamers since the beginning of cpu gaming. Is it fair ? no...is it right? no... will it change? no...so get used to it. A year from now you will be able to upgrade your cpu for under $200 well enough to play Vangaurd on its highest settings..combined with continual optimization of client and servers....with great 40+ fps..probably more.
Solution ~ Do not attach your self worth to your rig. It's the same with cars..many do that with cars too. Do not buy top of the line gear..it will be half price 6 months from now anyways. It's the absolute worst investment of money you can make. Very few things in life lose their value faster than computer hardware....my exwife for example...she lost her value realy fast 
..but thats another story for another time. So the solution is...get used to upgrading AND tweaking yur cpu or stfu......bottom line.
SoE haters ~ Once and for all ! ....Lucas Arts messed up your precious SWG...NOT ...SoE ! Lucas Arts keeps very tight control over its licsenses...based on what I've read..that is my conclusion. Let It Go ......... SoE just wants to make money..they know they must have happy customers to do so. Usually this works in our favor...I think it will in Vanguard case...so give it a rest.
So whats the point of this post ? ....to point out why so many people hate Vangurd. The fact that it can stirr so much controversy proves it is having major influence among the mmo community.
Tired of reading all the slams on Vanguard because it is really...a great game..that will only get greater.
Comments
Sweet! Let's try to dissect all of society and talk about how much cooler we are than "them!" While we're at it, let's throw out the accepted groupings of society and make up our own, and at the same time make a subtle sneak-attack at "those games."
Seriously, maybe some people just don't like it. Stop acting like we're diseased or something and go play "your" game.
I can name a big reason why VG is not so great right now (and I do think it's great personally). It's really really buggy. And I don't mean like, typical MMORPG buggy. I mean BUGGY. Chocked full of em. From bad portals (visual blockers and entrances) and occlusion, memory leaks that degrade performans consistantly through the world, to MOBs porting around and quest MOBs corpses falling through the world constantly. These are all really frustraighting things, this is ontop of an already challening and sometimes frustraighting game.
Dieing 5 times and leaving 5 tomb stones around, getting them all back an hour later only to have the quest NPC you were working the last two hours to kill Port off and die from a DOT under the world is NOT fun, and it happens OFTEN. Don't get me wrong I love the game, then again I usually like the underdog, and am not much of a complainer, I just log off for a few hours (or go to work) and come back later and finish the quest. But these issues make an extreamly poor first impression.
If you would like a good review on the game, check out IGNs. Their review sums it up pretty well. Great game mechanics, don't agree with their take on the graphics, good gameplay, but buggy as hell.
Sweet! Let's try to dissect all of society and talk about how much cooler we are than "them!" While we're at it, let's throw out the accepted groupings of society and make up our own, and at the same time make a subtle sneak-attack at "those games."
Seriously, maybe some people just don't like it. Stop acting like we're diseased or something and go play "your" game.
What the OP is referring to is not just the dislike of the game, but hatered. People saying "DONT TRY THIS GAME", why? If you have an opinion fine, but why actually tell poeple to not even try it when all the servers last night were at Medium population or better? It is appearent that alot of people like this game, so why not voice your opinoin and move on. To stay and troll with non-factual statements and tell people "YOU WONT LIKE THIS GAME" is silly.
I love playing this game, and some dont. It is appearent from the number of people that like the game that all who are insterested should try it. Some will like it some wont it is that simple. But they wont know for sure until they try it.
Another "Vanguard is awesome and anyone who dislikes it must be mentaly retarded and belong to one of the following problem cases"-Thread.
If Vanguard is a game for you then be happy but please do realise that happy players hardly ever post on the forums. Its always those who dislike a game that will post more often (frustrated, disappointed, whatever). Thats just the way it is. But no, you have to somehow find a reason for why players dislike your precious little game. What does that say about you? Why are you writing such mega posts if you could play Vanguard in that time and lengthen your "fix"? Maybe you are unsecure and do not want your view of the game to fall appart? Or maybe you are just a troll ?
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Insanity: Doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
The number one reason so many people on these boards hate Vanguard is because........drum roll
It's too hard !
Yep..thats why
I know this because I've seen lots and lots of players endure bugs galore for a game they loved. They love the games they feel they are good at.
Vanguard is hard to play well. People die alot...this makes them mad..but they can't go around saying " I hate Vanguard because I reall am a crappy online gamer and die alot !! ...so I'll blame this other stuff instead'. So ..truely...90% of the haters ...hate Vanguard cause they suck at playing mmo's.
WoW is so popular ...why? because you DONT die alot...its easy to play.
In our society of instant gratification and lazyness....this is the very attractive. I don't mind that...if some folks would just admit it !!
The sweet aint so sweet without the bitter.
LOL....busted
Actualy I have alot of time on my hands lately and find myself keeping gettng lured into these damn forums instead of playing my favorite game
....I am not a troll however...closer to cranky old man...Got any hard candy?
I do like to troll for trolls though...I find them amusing.
Easier to just to let em all slide off your back.
The main reason VG is getting all the attention, negative or positive, is because it's new, and it's the only new game out there at the moment. Once LotRO launches, the lynch mob will head over to that forum to wave their pitchforks and torches. And the self appointed consumer watchdogs will be there too, dithering on and on about how devs are forcably sodomizing you, and your pocketbook. And so forth and so on, ad nauseam.
After the next game comes out, the locust swarm will make it's way over there, and the whole cycle starts again.
No I don't mind challenge. Dieing 5 times isn't an issue for me. Now dieing 5 times only to have my Quest NPC bug out and become NON-Interactable, Fall under the world, Port behind me and kill me from 200FT away. Thats difficulty set on by a buggy, buggy game. Chasing down a fleeing MOB whom runs into a building that causes a memory leak and crashes me, is not cool. Find me an MMORPG that's around now, that's had those kinds of bugs. That's just silly.
And don't even bring up WoW, it's not a part of this thread at all. More people played games like FFXI and EQ and enjoyed them alot more than this game. Yes they had their bugs (not saying that MMORPGS need to not be buggy), but they never had bugs that litterally cost you two hours of work.
You are correct...that is exactly what will happen. After playing Horizons for 3 years and getting absolutely no attention at all....I find all this to be very entertaining. Bad publicity is almost as good as good publicity and is deffinetly alot better than none at all.
Great line " self appointed consumer watchdogs ". ...good one
So whats the point of this post ? ....to point out why so many people hate Vangurd. The fact that it can stirr so much controversy proves it is having major influence among the mmo community.
so does dark and light...... its called infamy, and its really not a good thing. Reason why people hate so much? They where promised so so much by brad and what did they get?...... Vanguard.
If only i could find a troll with a tin foil hat. =(
at least that's what I read in every complaing about VG, never read someone saying that VG is hard or that they die a lot (unless they die cause of bug)
from your posts I have the feeling that you are trying to convince yourself that VG is great, your posts absolutely lacks any objectivity, why?
if you think that VG is that great, keep playing it, the fact that you are insulting everyone who don't like it just shows your immaturity and blindness to faults (so in other words, 'Fanatism' like some religous fanatic)
I go with the reason they told us they are giving a double xp weekend.
To show appreciation to those who have stayed and endured the bugs !!!
Sounds reasonable to me and shows they care...understanding that some have suffered extra deaths ..AND XP LOSS...to bugs and such.
Weak attempt to twist a good thing into a negative.
If they really wanted to use double xp to keep people they would have had the event LAST weekend ..before the free time was up.
weak..weak..weak...come on..you can do better than that.
I go with the reason they told us they are giving a double xp weekend.
To show appreciation to those who have stayed and endured the bugs !!!
Sounds reasonable to me and shows they care...understanding that some have suffered extra deaths ..AND XP LOSS...to bugs and such.
Weak attempt to twist a good thing into a negative.
If they really wanted to use double xp to keep people they would have had the event LAST weekend ..before the free time was up.
weak..weak..weak...come on..you can do better than that.
As an avid VG player. I would MUCH rather have them say "Sorry for the bugs, we fixed quite a few" then "Sorry you need to deal with our bugs, here are some rewards!"
I love VG and I love what they have come through with. But rewarding me for dealing with their shit is not a cool way to deal with things. Gamers and fans don't want rewards while still having to deal with their crap, they just want THEIR game to be fixed. A reward for dealing with crap is like pebble to people who LOVE the game while fixes are the friggan ALPS.
People hate vg cuz they hate life
j/k
I actually didnt like it because i dont have 80+ hours a week to devote to MMO's. The game looks pretty cool but is way to grindy and devoid of other players that my time is better spent elsewhere. Im not a wower, i dont enjoy wow, im not an soe hater, im not an old man, im not an egomaniac. I just dont like Vangrind, its a decent game (ill give it that). just not worth playing.
Never take life too seriously youre never gonna make it out alive.
"Your expectations are too high."
What's wrong with having expectations for a quality and refreshing product?
I don't think it's too high of an expectation to ask for something GOOD. People shouldn't settle for the pieces of crap they are handed by rich corporations out to screw the consumer.
I don't agree with you here. These Critical Old Men you speak of aren't critical old men at all, but instead are people that actually have a solid understand to what encompasses an MMORPG. I don't know about if you haven't noticed it yet but the gaming industry isn't exactly what it used to be. It's become a money racket run by suited CEO's who have no regard for what makes a video game, only for what makes them more green. It doesn't take a genius to see that the first generation of MMO's were far superior to current iterations. The reason is quite simple. There was no standard in place back then, and when developers brought things to the table it was fresh because they had nothing else to base it off. Iterations... I like that word because it exactly describes thats the router gaming seems to have taken. It is iteration, after iteration of the same garbage with a different 100 person art team slaving to change only the outer shell of the same games. Vanguard, EQ, LOTRO, DAOC, WoW... I can keep listing them because they are no different. They offer little in diversity, and if any of them has innovated it has only been on a minor scale. Big wig companies look at MMORPG's as profit from the sheep, and for some stupid reason developers think that a genre has to follow some conventional framework for it to exist as that type of game, or could it be they are just too lazy to use their brains? They have in their heads that this "current formula" encompasses an MMORPG. Well thats completely false and is a sign that developers lack any creative spark. Examine Warhammer, or should I say World of Warcraft? Am i wrong, no not at all and in time you will see as well if you haven't already sensed it. With only minor exceptions gaming hasn't come very far over the past 5-6 years. Where should the genre be going? Look to Funcom (Age of Conan), or Razorwax (Darkfall) for the answer, and for something that requires your use your brian while playing a game. Now of course i'm sure many of you are content with the mind numbing gameplay that's being fed to you. The numbers seem to demonstrate that for us because companies are profiting huge off utter stink. It's us the consumers who will form the future of gaming, and if we are content with spending money on 'generic game A' companies will continue the trend and release 'generic game B' all the way up to the letter Z and beyond. Me? I'd much rather play a first generation MMO then anything current because it's become so rancid and fecal that i can smell it before these carbon copy titles hit the shelves.
Peace.
This game will be a very good one, but in the future. At the moment I am getting very frustrated with the bugs. Yes, I die a lot and actually don't mind dying in a normal battle. I hate dying because of a lot of other things, like : closing of the client while fighting a mob, a server crash. And these things happen often. I even died logging in, because I didnt spawn on top of a mountain but IN it. Then was not able to retrieve my tombstone bcuz it was unreachable. Having a difficult game and these problems do not add to the fun factor. And thats why I play a game, to have fun.
Falling thru the world isnt fun either. Yesterday , I got set back to a spawn point for the first time. Sure, it's better than floating around but still not how it should be.
If people don't mind or don't have these issues they got a great game to look forward to. It would be cool if people that do enjoy Vanguard respect my opinion and understand why some quit the game at the moment tho.
All I want is the truth
Just gimme some truth
John Lennon
So you say not to feed the trolls yet your thread is one big biscuit for them.
I get so tired of these kind of threads from people who think they know it all. You are worse than the Vanguard haters in my opinion because all you do is egg them on. You are suppose to be better than them in the first place.