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Why do most people think muslims are bad people MUSLIMS ARE NOT BAD
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Well, if all Muslims are bad because of some ignorant fools who blew themselves up and murdered a bunch of people, then Catholics must all be bad too, because during the Inquisition they tortured and killed a bunch of people, and also because their priests "all" like to . . er. . . play. . . with children.
Also, Hitler was Christian, and he had many followers who killed thousands and thousands of people, so ALL Christians must be bad too, eh? It's the Muslim extremists that are bad. Just as bad as the Christian extremests. I met a Muslim lady at work and she was a beautifull person, very helpful and caring. I have never met a bad Muslim person, ever!
Too many people are quick to judge and this is causing HUGE CONFLICT in our world....
MUSLIMS DESERVE RESPECT JUST LIKE WE ALL DO.. jihad doesnt mean to kill all infedals thats just propaganda its means to fight for god when u die protecting your country thats kinda like jihad when you die protecting koran or islam thats jihad when u die protecting family or your slef that is also a kind of jihad but what the terrorists are doing is not jihad rest assured they will go to hell for what they are doing ..eghhh why do i even bother you ppl will never understand
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All people have prejudices about other races/religions e.g. my prejudice about russians is that they drink alot of vodka and stuff but that's not really so(I was in Russia for over 10 years). I met many muslims and most of them were really nice.
All people are the same!
Peoples who insist a LOT about been respected by been muslims are usually bad.
Like this schoolgirl who was disqualified of a team sport because she refuse to basic regulation that are there for SAFETY; if religion make you do unhealthy decisions, then you are bad. Muslims tend to make such decisions a LOT more than any other. Safety and good health must never be compromise for religious beliefs.
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Hitler did little more than pay lip service to Christianity, so that's probably about the same as using Sadam as an example of Islam - although people probably do both.
I'm not quite sure why you think people wouldn't understand. It sounded like you were arguing with yourself in that post.
I think it's the extremists that most of us are worried about. I would like to see more moderate Muslims making a more visible stand against these extremists. In my mind, that's the most effective weapon the world has against the extremist terrorists.
Hitler was satanic. Him and his generals used to preform satanic rituals in a satanic church. The SS symbol is actually a Satanic Symbol, which is also why it's used by the band KISS.
The Muslim religion does in fact teach hate and in it's Bible says that anyone who is not of their faith has no right to life.
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Actually that is a common myth.
Hitler was into the occult, not satanism; which he found amusing actually.
Hitler spent alot of time in various Golden Dawn lodges learning about the interesting stuff that the occult had to offer.
It is also ironic that the Golden Dawn is closely linked to that of the jews.
The swastika is a symbol of good luck, all symbols that Hitler and his top came up with have roots in the occult/folk lore.
KISS followed a shock trend using such things as the lightning bolt etc to freak people out, not to say they were satanic.
Look into hitler's background and you will find his searching for relics of days past to be nothing more than a search for one true relic.
The person who can tell me what relic Hitler was obsessed more about than even winning a war gets a cookie.
On to the Muslim thing;
The issue at hand is extremist call for murder on infidels, and to say that not killing infidels is not in the Koran would be a lie.
The majority of the world is either christian or buddahist, those are "infidels" in the eyes of the muslim, and they are to die indefinately to the extremist.
While is it completely un-pc to say this, the truth sucks.
The massive coverage of Islamic zealots calling for my head on a platter has skewwed my views on the religion greatly.
It comes down to this, and take as you will.
Peace to those who are muslims, and death to those who are not.
Say what you want about, not all muslims think this way; but as they say for christians>: You cant just follow one part of the bible , it's all or nothing.
You can't pick and choose parts of your religion you like and dislike. Saddly if a neighbor is a infidel it is your duty to convert them either by force or by death.
Edit: I mean no offense to this post, but this how myself and others think. You have a very western thoughtset on jihad and I respect that. But Jihad is a war, the Koran is not written symbolically it's written in the literal sense. I've debated this forever and am tired of doing so.
The middle eastern religions are not metaphoric, a holy war is just that. When crusaders attacked them; a Jihad was issued.
Do you really believe the muslims pulled off a "metaphoric" jihad to kick the crap out of the crusaders?
Hell no. They went to war and protected their homes and their religion. Thats what Jihad is about, and it's something to respected not shunned.
I have nothing but respect for those who will die for what they believe in, and that goes for the so called terrorist; while we see them as bad in the west, in the east many are seen as heroes.
It's just a pity this war is killing more civs than it is warriors, thats the part that makes me lose the respect. A loss in military means is near nothing to war.
The loss of thousands of bystanders who want nothing more than to live life without fear, thats something that is hard to cope with.
but the fundamentalists are most extreme with a muslim religion right now
it might be unfair since christianity had already their fun with inquisition & witch hunting
but the fun times are over, time to grow up
anway i dont think muslims are bad in general
know some who even seem to be ashamed of their religious comrades
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KISS was NOT satanic. I think Paul Stanley said it best in an interview during their final world tour. They were asked about the satan thing. Gene Simmons said they allowed those rumors to continue on because it sold records. He then said they started the band for one reason only. When asked by the interviewer what that reason was, Paul Stanley smiled and said "To get laid of course."
As for the Quran. Its a twisted interpretation that brings that up. Whackos like binladen and abbu sayya twist the Quran to make it whatever they want. A few other people have done the samething with the Christian Bible. Jim Jones, David Koresh, etc. If you think Muslims are bad because of that then Christians are a bunch of brain washing psychos.
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which actually make a decent number of the world population
cultists may be more extreme but their impact on society is really weak compared to the big religions
second do you refer by religions to the stuff the cultists believe or can you name
any other big religion thats more dangerous for us right now?
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KISS was NOT satanic. I think Paul Stanley said it best in an interview during their final world tour. They were asked about the satan thing. Gene Simmons said they allowed those rumors to continue on because it sold records. He then said they started the band for one reason only. When asked by the interviewer what that reason was, Paul Stanley smiled and said "To get laid of course."
As for the Quran. Its a twisted interpretation that brings that up. Whackos like binladen and abbu sayya twist the Quran to make it whatever they want. A few other people have done the samething with the Christian Bible. Jim Jones, David Koresh, etc. If you think Muslims are bad because of that then Christians are a bunch of brain washing psychos.
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The thing is alot of it isn't twisting of the word, it's there in black and white.
The christians have had their own misgivings, and I can go from crusades to the burning times on that.
But that was many many many years ago, at the same as these were happening, muslims were doing their own thing as well.
I know of one general who spared a foreign religion that was not Islam during those times. Only one (Though I am not all knowing)
So while the christians did their "icky", the muslims were doing the same thing.
I too have muslim friends and I tell them to be proud of their religion, a true believer should never be ashamed because they have zealots, they should not hide who they are because it is unpopular.
I also have many who have schooled me on jihad, and it's very literal. It's like our crusades. It's nothing "OMG YOUR EVIL" , it's simply written into their culture.
As I've said you can't just pick and choose the sunny parts of your religion if there is a night time there too.
It calls for war when infidels are doing their infidel thing, a war is fighting; a war is not "lets try and chop this up so it's more western".
Just like witch burnings, it's up to the follower whether or not they take the call to do what they are told in their books/culture.
It's not up to the follower to chop apart his religion to fit his veiws on life, if you disagree with aspects of your religion, you may be pining something else.
Islam is a religion that is of peace, until war starts.
I find it to be a beautiful religion with a deep culture.
It's just right now so many leaders have declared jihad how are the young ignorant followers going to argue that.
They may be extremists, but they have a obvious following of people who feel they are doing the right thing. They are not fighting to be "evil," they are fighting because they are "good".
Welcome to war.
Actually that is a common myth.
Hitler was into the occult, not satanism; which he found amusing actually.
Hitler spent alot of time in various Golden Dawn lodges learning about the interesting stuff that the occult had to offer.
It is also ironic that the Golden Dawn is closely linked to that of the jews.
The swastika is a symbol of good luck, all symbols that Hitler and his top came up with have roots in the occult/folk lore.
KISS followed a shock trend using such things as the lightning bolt etc to freak people out, not to say they were satanic.
Look into hitler's background and you will find his searching for relics of days past to be nothing more than a search for one true relic.
The person who can tell me what relic Hitler was obsessed more about than even winning a war gets a cookie.
On to the Muslim thing;
The issue at hand is extremist call for murder on infidels, and to say that not killing infidels is not in the Koran would be a lie.
The majority of the world is either christian or buddahist, those are "infidels" in the eyes of the muslim, and they are to die indefinately to the extremist.
While is it completely un-pc to say this, the truth sucks.
The massive coverage of Islamic zealots calling for my head on a platter has skewwed my views on the religion greatly.
It comes down to this, and take as you will.
Peace to those who are muslims, and death to those who are not.
Say what you want about, not all muslims think this way; but as they say for christians>: You cant just follow one part of the bible , it's all or nothing.
You can't pick and choose parts of your religion you like and dislike. Saddly if a neighbor is a infidel it is your duty to convert them either by force or by death.
Edit: I mean no offense to this post, but this how myself and others think. You have a very western thoughtset on jihad and I respect that. But Jihad is a war, the Koran is not written symbolically it's written in the literal sense. I've debated this forever and am tired of doing so.
The middle eastern religions are not metaphoric, a holy war is just that. When crusaders attacked them; a Jihad was issued.
Do you really believe the muslims pulled off a "metaphoric" jihad to kick the crap out of the crusaders?
Hell no. They went to war and protected their homes and their religion. Thats what Jihad is about, and it's something to respected not shunned.
I have nothing but respect for those who will die for what they believe in, and that goes for the so called terrorist; while we see them as bad in the west, in the east many are seen as heroes.
It's just a pity this war is killing more civs than it is warriors, thats the part that makes me lose the respect. A loss in military means is near nothing to war.
The loss of thousands of bystanders who want nothing more than to live life without fear, thats something that is hard to cope with.
Actually, you're wrong on a few points. To begin with, the Quran teaches rather clearly that Christianity and Judaism are both earlier messages from the same God, and that Muslims should respect those of both faiths as such. People of these two faiths are most likely still viewed as infidels according to Islam, depending on their specific views, but the message is unequivocal that their life and liberty should be respected despite this. This might seem at odds with the views many Muslims have of Jews, but this anti-Jewish sentiment is one primarily driven by politics rather than theology, as is the dislike of America.
It also must be noted that the Quran's messages regarding war and peace are contradictory. This is why it's open to fundamentalism. The book is exactly like the Bible in that regard. If you cherrypicked "revealing" quotes from Christian texts, in the same way that sites or e-mails revealing the "truth" about Islam do, you would see an entirely different picture of the religion than what is taught in churches. If your views on Islam are based on such an outlet, something which gives a brief explanation of a few dozen hand-picked quotes, then you might want to take a hard look at what you consider reliable information.
Sure, jihad is in there. Some of the talk is not pretty or peaceful or compassionate. Some of it is downright brutal. Then again, it's not nearly as clear cut as what you say it is. Most Americans seem to have this idea that Islam is inherently warlike and that extremists are closer to the literal interpretation of the text. These same people seem to think that those who say "peace" are deluding themselves.
There's a huge gap in understanding between this world and that. Most people in America who consider themselves informed regarding Islam have no understanding of Arabic, have never lived in the Middle East, and gain information from biased sources. Then again, I've seen firsthand that people in the Middle East have an equally distorted view of us. The sad truth is that they don't know anything about us, and we don't know anything about them. When people find themselves faced with something they know nothing about, they reach out for information. Unfortunately, many of us unwittingly end up grasing information supplied by people with their own ideological agendas, not neutral observers.
We have thousands of sites telling the "truth" about Islam, millions of people reading the information posted there, and out of all those millions of people, probably only a few hundred who ever felt comfortable asking their questions to a Muslim scholar or religious leader.
Actually that is a common myth.
Hitler was into the occult, not satanism; which he found amusing actually.
Hitler spent alot of time in various Golden Dawn lodges learning about the interesting stuff that the occult had to offer.
It is also ironic that the Golden Dawn is closely linked to that of the jews.
The swastika is a symbol of good luck, all symbols that Hitler and his top came up with have roots in the occult/folk lore.
KISS followed a shock trend using such things as the lightning bolt etc to freak people out, not to say they were satanic.
Look into hitler's background and you will find his searching for relics of days past to be nothing more than a search for one true relic.
The person who can tell me what relic Hitler was obsessed more about than even winning a war gets a cookie.
On to the Muslim thing;
The issue at hand is extremist call for murder on infidels, and to say that not killing infidels is not in the Koran would be a lie.
The majority of the world is either christian or buddahist, those are "infidels" in the eyes of the muslim, and they are to die indefinately to the extremist.
While is it completely un-pc to say this, the truth sucks.
The massive coverage of Islamic zealots calling for my head on a platter has skewwed my views on the religion greatly.
It comes down to this, and take as you will.
Peace to those who are muslims, and death to those who are not.
Say what you want about, not all muslims think this way; but as they say for christians>: You cant just follow one part of the bible , it's all or nothing.
You can't pick and choose parts of your religion you like and dislike. Saddly if a neighbor is a infidel it is your duty to convert them either by force or by death.
Edit: I mean no offense to this post, but this how myself and others think. You have a very western thoughtset on jihad and I respect that. But Jihad is a war, the Koran is not written symbolically it's written in the literal sense. I've debated this forever and am tired of doing so.
The middle eastern religions are not metaphoric, a holy war is just that. When crusaders attacked them; a Jihad was issued.
Do you really believe the muslims pulled off a "metaphoric" jihad to kick the crap out of the crusaders?
Hell no. They went to war and protected their homes and their religion. Thats what Jihad is about, and it's something to respected not shunned.
I have nothing but respect for those who will die for what they believe in, and that goes for the so called terrorist; while we see them as bad in the west, in the east many are seen as heroes.
It's just a pity this war is killing more civs than it is warriors, thats the part that makes me lose the respect. A loss in military means is near nothing to war.
The loss of thousands of bystanders who want nothing more than to live life without fear, thats something that is hard to cope with.
Actually, you're wrong on a few points. To begin with, the Quran teaches rather clearly that Christianity and Judaism are both earlier messages from the same God, and that Muslims should respect those of both faiths as such. People of these two faiths are most likely still viewed as infidels according to Islam, depending on their specific views, but the message is unequivocal that their life and liberty should be respected despite this. This might seem at odds with the views many Muslims have of Jews, but this anti-Jewish sentiment is one primarily driven by politics rather than theology, as is the dislike of America.
It also must be noted that the Quran's messages regarding war and peace are contradictory. This is why it's open to fundamentalism. The book is exactly like the Bible in that regard. If you cherrypicked "revealing" quotes from Christian texts, in the same way that sites or e-mails revealing the "truth" about Islam do, you would see an entirely different picture of the religion than what is taught in churches. If your views on Islam are based on such an outlet, something which gives a brief explanation of a few dozen hand-picked quotes, then you might want to take a hard look at what you consider reliable information.
Sure, jihad is in there. Some of the talk is not pretty or peaceful or compassionate. Some of it is downright brutal. Then again, it's not nearly as clear cut as what you say it is. Most Americans seem to have this idea that Islam is inherently warlike and that extremists are closer to the literal interpretation of the text. These same people seem to think that those who say "peace" are deluding themselves.
There's a huge gap in understanding between this world and that. Most people in America who consider themselves informed regarding Islam have no understanding of Arabic, have never lived in the Middle East, and gain information from biased sources. Then again, I've seen firsthand that people in the Middle East have an equally distorted view of us. The sad truth is that they don't know anything about us, and we don't know anything about them. When people find themselves faced with something they know nothing about, they reach out for information. Unfortunately, many of us unwittingly end up grasing information supplied by people with their own ideological agendas, not neutral observers.
We have thousands of sites telling the "truth" about Islam, millions of people reading the information posted there, and out of all those millions of people, probably only a few hundred who ever felt comfortable asking their questions to a Muslim scholar or religious leader.
Thank you for such a well thought out post, I wish I wasn't so tired so that I could give you a proper response with full brain function.
I can honestly say my information is second source, It comes from friends (who practice the faith) as well as their elders.
I never even read western news regarding Islam, never.
It's the same as a middle easterner reading about my culture from biased veiws.
If I read news it is straight from the news as they tell it, which has alot to do for my admiration of these "Terrorists", While there are many fighting out there, there are many killing and invoking fear in others , but that is politics and not their religion.
I admire the true warriors, not those who would slay "innocents".
No one should argue that all those books are the same, they are.
As I said christians have had their stints as have the jews (and they still do...West Bank anyone?).
Peace and liberty is there but it is there for those who are of Islam, and there is nothing wrong with that! Not at all.
And I'd consider these extremists Jihad nothing more than political slayings, a true holy war would be something not seen since the middle ages.
The main problem is that all religions are greatly cherry picked in order to make the person more comfortable with it.
I see that as an insult to the faith you have, it's all or nothing.
I'll ponder a much better response for tomorrow.
It's a long time ago. Christiany has evolved since the inqusition. Islam remains there in my opinion.
Greetings, OneMuslim! It has been a long time, hasn't it?
Glad to see that you haven't changed, but I certainly have: I don't respect any religion in any form anymore. You can worship whatever the hell you'd like, but I don't need to be forced to respect you or your beliefs.
I don't think Muslims are bad, but I think that their religion is a bunch of insane drivel like any other religion. Those are my beliefs; ATHEISTS DESERVE RESPECT JUST LIKE WE ALL DO... lawlz
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Abrahamic religions thrive under persecution you morons.
People who attack Christianity or Judaism or Islam are just giving them one more reason to stay organized.
Nearly six in 10 Americans think the religion is prone to violent extremism, nearly half regard it unfavorably, and a remarkable one in four admits to prejudicial feelings against Muslims and Arabs alike.
Fifty-eight percent think there are more violent extremists within Islam than within other religions.
Forty-five percent think mainstream Islam doesn't teach respect for the beliefs of non-Muslims, double what it was. A third believe mainstream Islam encourages violence against nonbelievers
I just though that would be interesting, im personaly not agianst any religion and many of my friends are muslims.
Its idiotic how people are acting about this subject, they are just wricked.
Screw them!
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Then again, I think that about most all religion.
A religion can't be applied moral values such as good or bad - It does not exist in this world, unless you belive. You can poke it, it won't poke back. It is just words on paper, or perhaps inscriptions in stones. It's neither innocent nor guilty, it's just a text.
Not until someone reads this text and start beliving in the words, can moral values be applied.
A religion can't be applied moral values such as good or bad - It does not exist in this world, unless you belive. You can poke it, it won't poke back. It is just words on paper, or perhaps inscriptions in stones. It's neither innocent nor guilty, it's just a text.
Not until someone reads this text and start beliving in the words, can moral values be applied.
Actually the Quran or as I like to call it "Koran" (that gets the anal folks EVERYTIME) made my kids do drugs. The "Koran" tried to kill me as I slept with some guys wife, I think he tried to crush my skull with it.
The book conspired to kidnap my house and burn down my loved ones.
It needs help, it is mentally unstable and I will not have it!
From this day forth I will battle the "Koran" with the only thing I can do.. Slap it like a little girl.
And squeel.
History and the Quran itself remark that Muhammad was driven from Mecca and journeyed to Medina to build his power and support base. After a series of raids he attacked Mecca and conquered it. His forces destroyed the idols and relics of the old pagan gods, and most sources I've read indicate the city was converted through force. And yet I am told Islam is a religion of peace. If its prophet resorted to acts of violence to spread the faith and triumph, why should I trust any of its members telling me that it is a religion of peace?
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Thats where my comments come from mainly, the fact that this story cannot be argued by anyone who gives a damn about history.
While deeply cultured (and the arab culture is very deep) it's still a forceful culture, thats the region they live in.
I may come off as an asshat goon 99% of the time but I am serious on this subject simply because my friends and "allies" are all deeply cultured.
Islam was used as a weapon by the prophet himselt, and that is where western society goes "%$@ that!".
Jesus didn't go sword and shield to the romans.
Buddah never raised a spear to anyone.
Zoraster...well okay Zoraster is another story.. (and thats where "Hell" as we know it is said to originated)
Mahammad yeah he was a warrior ass kicker, and in some cultures that were forced to convert seen as a butcher.
But still thats the ancient times people. If modern times were like this it would be hell, in the deepest way imaginable.
Thats whats happening in the middle east, it's become hell on earth.
Whats made it hell? Human nature.