Originally posted by grenades69A world without America would be a world with much less egoistic maniacs constantly telling us how great they are because of what their distant ancestors did and what their government controls. Every time one of these "more ego for America" threads pop up and slowly turns into an argument over which countries military is best it makes me cringe.
We"ll see about that when the BSSS (Belgian State Security Service) knocks at your door.
KNOCK...KNOCK.....KNOCK
OPEN THE DOOR!!
This is the BSSS. You have unlawfully overcooked your waffle. You are under arrest.
We have to confiscate your waffle maker and syrup. Hands behind your back! You will be incarcerated at the BKWH (Belgiun Kingdom Waffle House) for interrogation.
Originally posted by outfctrl Originally posted by MadAce We"ll see about that when the BSSS (Belgian State Security Service) knocks at your door.
KNOCK...KNOCK.....KNOCK OPEN THE DOOR!! This is the BSSS. You have unlawfully overcooked your waffle. You are under arrest.
We have to confiscate your waffle maker and syrup. Hands behind your back! You will be incarcerated at the BKWH (Belgiun Kingdom Waffle House) for interrogation.
King Albert II has has his own Royal Waffle maker?
Everybody knows an alliance between the Netherlands, belgium and luxembourg will become the new superpower of the world!
Have to agree with that, Gameloading,
True. It's called "the EU". Guess which countries came up with the idea for that organisation. Guess where all 3 branches of the EU administration are located. Guess where the administrative HQ of the NATO is. Yes, it's a conspiracy.
Originally posted by MadAce Originally posted by sven101 Originally posted by Gameloading Everybody knows an alliance between the Netherlands, belgium and luxembourg will become the new superpower of the world!
Have to agree with that, Gameloading, True. It's called "the EU". Guess which countries came up with the idea for that organisation. Guess where all 3 branches of the EU administration are located. Guess where the administrative HQ of the NATO is. Yes, it's a conspiracy.
If you believe all that Outfctrl, then why do you associate and identify with a party that is steadfast at destroying America?
Anyone who votes Republican or Democrat is an America lover in name only. Because both parties dream of an America with a strong government and weak populous.
Let me show all of you the difference between a Republican and a Democrat. I am a Republican and will always be one.
Republicans - The United States were founded on the fundamental principle that individuals have certain rights and freedoms which cannot be infringed upon and may be restricted only to the degree necessary to preserve the rights of others.
Democrats - Our Founding Fathers did not really mean what they said when they guaranteed certain constitutional rights such as the right to freedom of religious expression, the right to keep and bear arms, and the right to retain the use of private property.
Republicans - The money you earn is yours and that government in a free society has the right to take only as much as is needed to perform those limited functions, which are appropriate to it.
Democrats - The government has a right to use your money as it sees fit to redistribute wealth, establish new spending programs in times of budget surpluses, and to return to you only that portion of your money which is politically expedient.
Republicans - The traditional family and the values it fosters are the foundation of American society and their preservation is essential to our Nation's continued success.
Democrats - American society must redefine its values and the role of the family to fit new lifestyle concepts, which have resulted from the 60's counter-culture movement and an attitude that promotes an abrogation of individual responsibility.
Republicans - Parents have the right to determine the values with which their children will be raised and to have the widest possible choice among public, private and religious schools and that competition will improve public education.
Democrats - The federal government has the right to determine the values which will be taught in public schools and parents' choice of schools must be limited to avoid exposing public schools to competitive forces which would encourage reform and increase accountability.
Republicans - The free enterprise system is the most effective engine of economic progress.
Democrats - Government regulation and federal control of economic activity can better distribute wealth and services to the American people.
Republicans - High taxes, runaway government spending, and over-regulation of business and farming punish initiative and stifle economic growth.
Democrats - Penalizing achievement with higher taxes and increased government bureaucracy and spending will not stifle economic growth but instead guarantee prosperity for everyone.
Republicans - Freedom comes with responsibility and that individuals must take personal responsibility for their own actions and our criminal justice system must be based on this idea.
Democrats - Individual behavior, including criminal behavior, can be blamed on "society" and that spending on social welfare programs and improvements in prison living conditions can combat crime.
Republicans - Your property is yours and you have the basic right to make use of it without unreasonable government restrictions.
Democrats - The government has the right to regulate the use of private property in accordance with narrow special interests without giving just compensation to owners.
Republicans - The preservation of our rights and freedoms must be entrusted to a strong national defense and of the ability of the United States to negotiate with other nations from a position of strength.
Democrats - We can afford to drastically weaken our military despite the threats present in an unstable, post-Cold War international environment and the United States must subjugate its interests to those of the United Nations.
Republicans - It is imperative today to re-affirm the traditional freedoms and values of America to preserve our great Republic.
Democrats - America must adopt a politically correct, multi-cultural set of values which denies common American heritage and will further divide American society.
Republicans - There can be differences of opinion and that such differences such result in opponents, not enemies.
Democrats - All whom oppose them are to be treated as enemies.
Republicans - All of America's citizens can enjoy the rights and freedoms of our country without diminishing the rights of others.
Democrats - Some must give up a portion of their rights and freedoms that others may enjoy those same rights and freedoms.
Republicans - Public servants, particularly those whom we elect to office, must be held accountable to the highest standards of ethical conduct. "If a man cannot be trusted with the government of himself, can he be trusted with the government of others?" [Thomas Jefferson]
Democrats - Loyalty to a discredited leader is a virtue and if other office holders have committed indiscretions, a sitting office holder should not be criticized for failing to uphold the highest standards of ethical conduct.
Let me show all of you the difference between a Republican and a Democrat. I am a Republican and will always be one.
Republicans - The United States were founded on the fundamental principle that individuals have certain rights and freedoms which cannot be infringed upon and may be restricted only to the degree necessary to preserve the rights of others.
Libertarian - The United States was founded on the principle that government is not the answer to our problems. We, the people, are the answer to our problems. We are not a bi-product of government allowed to do only what our government deems us worthy or capable of doing, but instead are the deciding force on what happens to each of us on a personal and individual level. Your party has done nothing to uphold those principles in recent years but instead fought to turn this into a larger and larger nanny state intent on "taking care" of those who feed it instead of letting go of it's reign on us and let us determine what is best for each of us individually. Recent example, Rick Perry, Republican governor of Texas who wants to find a way to force every girl to take a barely tested HPV vaccination because he feels it's his duty as their forced daddy to take care of them.
Democrats - Our Founding Fathers did not really mean what they said when they guaranteed certain constitutional rights such as the right to freedom of religious expression, the right to keep and bear arms, and the right to retain the use of private property.
Republicans - The money you earn is yours and that government in a free society has the right to take only as much as is needed to perform those limited functions, which are appropriate to it.
Libertarian - The government has no right to take any of your income. It's a wage you earned through a deal with you and your employer. But does it stop there with your party? OOOOOH NO!!! They want to also tax your purchases along with a business if you run one. Along with many other taxes that would be YOURS as they rightfully are under a Libertarian government. By putting their noses into American's financial business government has found numerous ways to infringe on our growth and also on our privacy and pursuit of happiness. Your party has a President in the White House under which there is a record amount of spending on projects that were never promised by the Constitution. And does he plan to stop it anytime soon. Hardly!
Democrats - The government has a right to use your money as it sees fit to redistribute wealth, establish new spending programs in times of budget surpluses, and to return to you only that portion of your money which is politically expedient.
Republicans - The traditional family and the values it fosters are the foundation of American society and their preservation is essential to our Nation's continued success.
Libertarian - Your family and my family are different. My family values and your family values are different. Get over it and take care of your family as you see fit and I'll take care of mine as I see fit. And quit peeking over my fence and into my windows using your government and take care of your own affairs.
Democrats - American society must redefine its values and the role of the family to fit new lifestyle concepts, which have resulted from the 60's counter-culture movement and an attitude that promotes an abrogation of individual responsibility.
Republicans - Parents have the right to determine the values with which their children will be raised and to have the widest possible choice among public, private and religious schools and that competition will improve public education.
Libertarian - Show me where either the Republicans or Democrats practice this as a steadfast rule of thumb. NCLB has done more damage to a schools chance to act independently than it has good. And that was a proposal from the Republicans. And don't challenge this by saying the Democrats are worse. I think you both have no intentions of giving up the public school system any time in the near or distant future. You both just want to argue over how it is run. We Libertarians want to do away with the publicschools all together. It was a train wreck from the start. I mean, c'mon, the government teaching our kids. Get a clue!
Democrats - The federal government has the right to determine the values which will be taught in public schools and parents' choice of schools must be limited to avoid exposing public schools to competitive forces which would encourage reform and increase accountability.
Republicans - The free enterprise system is the most effective engine of economic progress.
Libertarian - Yeah, that's why they haven't proposed getting rid of all regulation and taxation on free enterprise. The only thing the Republicans like about free enterprise is the chance to be bought out by big corporations. And why do you think big corporations pay so much to the parties coffers? Because they know who holds the cards to be dealt against them and they want to stay on their good side. In other words, they're afraid of the government just as much as the individual when it comes to freedom. They know where the power lies these days. It's all in big governments hands. Ask any business where there biggest headache comes from and they'll tell you. By the way, why hasn't any Republican latched on to the new taxation ideas such as those proposed by Neal Boortz? I think I know why, and if your honest with yourself you can figure out why as well.
Democrats - Government regulation and federal control of economic activity can better distribute wealth and services to the American people.
Republicans - High taxes, runaway government spending, and over-regulation of business and farming punish initiative and stifle economic growth.
Libertarian - Then why doesn't your party do something about it? If a small tax cut by this President shows how much tax cuts help the economy then why not just go all the way with it? Oh, I know the answer, because it would give up government control. Neither party wants that to happen and you know it.
Democrats - Penalizing achievement with higher taxes and increased government bureaucracy and spending will not stifle economic growth but instead guarantee prosperity for everyone.
Republicans - Freedom comes with responsibility and that individuals must take personal responsibility for their own actions and our criminal justice system must be based on this idea.
Libertarian - Right, freedom comes with responsibility. And your responsibility is to stay the hell out of my business and quit using government to try to make me act just like you simply because I don't make the same choices on how to live my life. So live up to your responsibility and quit resorting back to the Federalist ways that Jefferson fought to give us our Bill of Rights.
Democrats - Individual behavior, including criminal behavior, can be blamed on "society" and that spending on social welfare programs and improvements in prison living conditions can combat crime.
Republicans - Your property is yours and you have the basic right to make use of it without unreasonable government restrictions.
Libertarian - Tell that to the city councils who have been snatching up land left and right. That's from both Republican and Democratically run city councils. So don't say your party is the party of property rights. Negative my friend.
Democrats - The government has the right to regulate the use of private property in accordance with narrow special interests without giving just compensation to owners.
Republicans - The preservation of our rights and freedoms must be entrusted to a strong national defense and of the ability of the United States to negotiate with other nations from a position of strength.
Libertarian - And for that power to not be abused on things such as nation building.
Democrats - We can afford to drastically weaken our military despite the threats present in an unstable, post-Cold War international environment and the United States must subjugate its interests to those of the United Nations.
Republicans - It is imperative today to re-affirm the traditional freedoms and values of America to preserve our great Republic.
Libertarian - Yeah, your party is all about traditional values. Tell that to the people from your party who are busy having sex with Congressional pages. Or how about spokesmen such as Rush Limbaugh who are running around intoxicated while he disses others with drug problems. And how many marriages has Rush had? And you know I could go on and on and on. Your party holds no grip on values. It's members are just as corrupt as the others. That's why you guys are so busy pointing fingers at each other all the time. Libertarians believe that the government (as in impersonal entity) holds no "values". Those are for us to determine on our own individual basis. So get off your high horse and quit preaching to me. You're wasting your time.
Democrats - America must adopt a politically correct, multi-cultural set of values which denies common American heritage and will further divide American society.
Republicans - There can be differences of opinion and that such differences such result in opponents, not enemies.
Libertarian - OOOOH PLEASE, tell that to Ann Coulter. I can't type much here because I'm just laughing to hard!!!
Democrats - All whom oppose them are to be treated as enemies.
Republicans - All of America's citizens can enjoy the rights and freedoms of our country without diminishing the rights of others.
Libertarian - Are you serious? C'mon man. This is getting to be a comedy skit. If you believe that then tell it to a homosexual who calls himself an American. See what he says to you about his rights. Do you really think he feels his rights are of equal value when the government rewards one set of lovers and punishes another? So, why is the government even in the marriage recognition business in the first place? Oh, yeah. That goes back to it having its nose in our household financial business. If the government would get the hell out of mine and every other American's pocket book, gay marriage never would have been an issue in the first place. It would have been a church issue all along. But you Republican's couldn't stand by and let that happen, now could you?
Democrats - Some must give up a portion of their rights and freedoms that others may enjoy those same rights and freedoms.
Republicans - Public servants, particularly those whom we elect to office, must be held accountable to the highest standards of ethical conduct. "If a man cannot be trusted with the government of himself, can he be trusted with the government of others?" [Thomas Jefferson]
Libertarian - A modern day Republican quoting Jefferson. I've heard it all now. Jefferson was an Anti-Federalist my friend. Modern day Republican's have no intention of lessening the firm grip of government. No intention at all. If you believe they do then why haven't they done it yet!?!?!?!?!?
Democrats - Loyalty to a discredited leader is a virtue and if other office holders have committed indiscretions, a sitting office holder should not be criticized for failing to uphold the highest standards of ethical conduct.
No wonder a Libertarian never makes it toa high office. Warped thinking.
Nice!....use an insult instead of trying to argue at least some of the points. He's attacking the things you say about your party, outfctrl. Are you conceding that easily?
No wonder a Libertarian never makes it toa high office. Warped thinking.
Nice!....use an insult instead of trying to argue at least some of the points. He's attacking the things you say about your party, outfctrl. Are you conceding that easily? I wasnt attacking him or calling him names. There is a reason why they dont make it to a high office. Look at what they believe in. Libertarianism is basically the Marxism of the Right. If Marxism is the delusion that one can run society purely on altruism and collectivism, then libertarianism is the mirror-image delusion that one can run it purely on selfishness and individualism. Society in fact requires both individualism and collectivism, both selfishness and altruism, to function.
After careful consideration of all points involved in this thread, and, after having received a $2 million grant from Congress to study this thread, I have come to the following definative conclusion:
(drum roll, please)
A world without America would be a flat world, and Columbus would have fallen over the edge.
No wonder a Libertarian never makes it toa high office. Warped thinking.
Nice!....use an insult instead of trying to argue at least some of the points. He's attacking the things you say about your party, outfctrl. Are you conceding that easily? I wasnt attacking him or calling him names. There is a reason why they dont make it to a high office. Look at what they believe in. Libertarianism is basically the Marxism of the Right. If Marxism is the delusion that one can run society purely on altruism and collectivism, then libertarianism is the mirror-image delusion that one can run it purely on selfishness and individualism. Society in fact requires both individualism and collectivism, both selfishness and altruism, to function. Wow, you really misrepresent the Libertarian Party. If I were you I would start doing a little unbiased research before making posts like that.
You do realize that us Libertarians look to nothing but Jefferson and the anti-federalists for our inspiration. Why do you think you see those two sources quoted so much from us on this site and others. They're what guides us on all our decision making processes. From whether we should go to war, to social situations, to economic situations.
And why haven't any Libertarians been elected? Because your two parties keep pushing us out of the debates and out of the public arena. Let us in a Presidential debate one time instead of changing the rules of entry and you'll see how much wind we can take out of your two party sails. Just one time would be enough.
If you want to know more about our "Marxism of the Right" views, then why don't you brush up by reading some articles published by our leading Marxist think tank members on CATO.org. You really should.
No wonder a Libertarian never makes it toa high office. Warped thinking.
Nice!....use an insult instead of trying to argue at least some of the points. He's attacking the things you say about your party, outfctrl. Are you conceding that easily? I wasnt attacking him or calling him names. There is a reason why they dont make it to a high office. Look at what they believe in. Libertarianism is basically the Marxism of the Right. If Marxism is the delusion that one can run society purely on altruism and collectivism, then libertarianism is the mirror-image delusion that one can run it purely on selfishness and individualism. Society in fact requires both individualism and collectivism, both selfishness and altruism, to function. Well, what do you know. I got to CATO.org and there is a nice little video that addresses your concerns. Nice, huh?
Just go there and click on the "Video Highlight" link on the right side index. It's the David Boaz interview.
Riddle me this Batman. What if a free society needed to draft its citizens in order to remain free? What if it needed to limit oil imports to protect the economic freedom of its citizens from unfriendly foreigners? What if it needed to force its citizens to become sufficiently educated to sustain a free society? What if it needed to deprive landowners of the freedom to refuse to sell their property as a precondition for giving everyone freedom of movement on highways? What if it needed to deprive citizens of the freedom to import cheap foreign labor in order to keep out poor foreigners who would vote for socialistic wealth redistribution?
In each of these cases, less freedom today is the price of more tomorrow. Total freedom today would just be a way of running down accumulated social capital and storing up problems for the future. So even if libertarianism is true in some ultimate sense, this does not prove that the libertarian policy choice is the right one today on any particular question.
Furthermore, if limiting freedom today may prolong it tomorrow, then limiting freedom tomorrow may prolong it the day after and so on, so the right amount of freedom may in fact be limited freedom in perpetuity. But if limited freedom is the right choice, then libertarianism, which makes freedom an absolute, is simply wrong.
Riddle me this Batman. What if a free society needed to draft its citizens in order to remain free? What if it needed to limit oil imports to protect the economic freedom of its citizens from unfriendly foreigners? What if it needed to force its citizens to become sufficiently educated to sustain a free society? What if it needed to deprive landowners of the freedom to refuse to sell their property as a precondition for giving everyone freedom of movement on highways? What if it needed to deprive citizens of the freedom to import cheap foreign labor in order to keep out poor foreigners who would vote for socialistic wealth redistribution?
In each of these cases, less freedom today is the price of more tomorrow. Total freedom today would just be a way of running down accumulated social capital and storing up problems for the future. So even if libertarianism is true in some ultimate sense, this does not prove that the libertarian policy choice is the right one today on any particular question.
Furthermore, if limiting freedom today may prolong it tomorrow, then limiting freedom tomorrow may prolong it the day after and so on, so the right amount of freedom may in fact be limited freedom in perpetuity. But if limited freedom is the right choice, then libertarianism, which makes freedom an absolute, is simply wrong.
I'd rather have absolute freedom today than a facade of freedom for eternity. Just because you'd prefer losing your civil liberties in favor of "national security" doesn't mean I would. Neither of us are right or wrong.
Your freedom is an illusion. Try to be so free that you never buy anything made by a multi-national. Or so free that you get 100% objective information, not provided by a major media consortium. So free that you actually question your government.
I'd rather have absolute freedom today than a facade of freedom for eternity.
Actually, that's called selfishness. So Sad.
Wonder why a Libertarian will never become president? You just said it. If the desire for personal freedom is selfish and illogical, why not just live in a dictatorship? America was founded on the idea of freedom, not no knock warrants and wiretaps.
I'd rather have absolute freedom today than a facade of freedom for eternity.
Actually, that's called selfishness. So Sad.
Wonder why a Libertarian will never become president? You just said it. If the desire for personal freedom is selfish and illogical, why not just live in a dictatorship? America was founded on the idea of freedom, not no knock warrants and wiretaps. Sure it is, but not for the moment. It is meant to carry on, year after year. To have that, some sacrafices have to be made whether you like it or not.. A libertarian will never become president because lack of vision clouds the future.
Live for today, fuck tomorrow. I am sorry, that is selfishness at its finest.
Originally posted by outfctrl Originally posted by modjoe86 Originally posted by outfctrl Originally posted by modjoe86 I'd rather have absolute freedom today than a facade of freedom for eternity.
Actually, that's called selfishness. So Sad. Wonder why a Libertarian will never become president? You just said it. If the desire for personal freedom is selfish and illogical, why not just live in a dictatorship? America was founded on the idea of freedom, not no knock warrants and wiretaps. Sure it is, but not for the moment. It is meant to carry on, year after year. To have that, some sacrafices have to be made whether you like it or not.. A libertarian will never become president because lack of vision clouds the future.
Live for today, fuck tomorrow. I am sorry, that is selfishness at its finest.
a libertarian will never be president because the USA is way too used to the republicans and democrats ruling. any other party doesnt stand a chance.
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OPEN THE DOOR!!
This is the BSSS. You have unlawfully overcooked your waffle. You are under arrest.
We have to confiscate your waffle maker and syrup. Hands behind your back! You will be incarcerated at the BKWH (Belgiun Kingdom Waffle House) for interrogation.
OPEN THE DOOR!!
This is the BSSS. You have unlawfully overcooked your waffle. You are under arrest.
We have to confiscate your waffle maker and syrup. Hands behind your back! You will be incarcerated at the BKWH (Belgiun Kingdom Waffle House) for interrogation.
King Albert II has has his own Royal Waffle maker?
Have to agree with that, Gameloading,
True. It's called "the EU". Guess which countries came up with the idea for that organisation. Guess where all 3 branches of the EU administration are located. Guess where the administrative HQ of the NATO is. Yes, it's a conspiracy.
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Have to agree with that, Gameloading,
True. It's called "the EU". Guess which countries came up with the idea for that organisation. Guess where all 3 branches of the EU administration are located. Guess where the administrative HQ of the NATO is. Yes, it's a conspiracy.
you're forgetting EuroPol
Anyone who votes Republican or Democrat is an America lover in name only. Because both parties dream of an America with a strong government and weak populous.
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Republicans - The United States were founded on the fundamental principle that individuals have certain rights and freedoms which cannot be infringed upon and may be restricted only to the degree necessary to preserve the rights of others.
Democrats - Our Founding Fathers did not really mean what they said when they guaranteed certain constitutional rights such as the right to freedom of religious expression, the right to keep and bear arms, and the right to retain the use of private property.
Republicans - The money you earn is yours and that government in a free society has the right to take only as much as is needed to perform those limited functions, which are appropriate to it.
Democrats - The government has a right to use your money as it sees fit to redistribute wealth, establish new spending programs in times of budget surpluses, and to return to you only that portion of your money which is politically expedient.
Republicans - The traditional family and the values it fosters are the foundation of American society and their preservation is essential to our Nation's continued success.
Democrats - American society must redefine its values and the role of the family to fit new lifestyle concepts, which have resulted from the 60's counter-culture movement and an attitude that promotes an abrogation of individual responsibility.
Republicans - Parents have the right to determine the values with which their children will be raised and to have the widest possible choice among public, private and religious schools and that competition will improve public education.
Democrats - The federal government has the right to determine the values which will be taught in public schools and parents' choice of schools must be limited to avoid exposing public schools to competitive forces which would encourage reform and increase accountability.
Republicans - The free enterprise system is the most effective engine of economic progress.
Democrats - Government regulation and federal control of economic activity can better distribute wealth and services to the American people.
Republicans - High taxes, runaway government spending, and over-regulation of business and farming punish initiative and stifle economic growth.
Democrats - Penalizing achievement with higher taxes and increased government bureaucracy and spending will not stifle economic growth but instead guarantee prosperity for everyone.
Republicans - Freedom comes with responsibility and that individuals must take personal responsibility for their own actions and our criminal justice system must be based on this idea.
Democrats - Individual behavior, including criminal behavior, can be blamed on "society" and that spending on social welfare programs and improvements in prison living conditions can combat crime.
Republicans - Your property is yours and you have the basic right to make use of it without unreasonable government restrictions.
Democrats - The government has the right to regulate the use of private property in accordance with narrow special interests without giving just compensation to owners.
Republicans - The preservation of our rights and freedoms must be entrusted to a strong national defense and of the ability of the United States to negotiate with other nations from a position of strength.
Democrats - We can afford to drastically weaken our military despite the threats present in an unstable, post-Cold War international environment and the United States must subjugate its interests to those of the United Nations.
Republicans - It is imperative today to re-affirm the traditional freedoms and values of America to preserve our great Republic.
Democrats - America must adopt a politically correct, multi-cultural set of values which denies common American heritage and will further divide American society.
Republicans - There can be differences of opinion and that such differences such result in opponents, not enemies.
Democrats - All whom oppose them are to be treated as enemies.
Republicans - All of America's citizens can enjoy the rights and freedoms of our country without diminishing the rights of others.
Democrats - Some must give up a portion of their rights and freedoms that others may enjoy those same rights and freedoms.
Republicans - Public servants, particularly those whom we elect to office, must be held accountable to the highest standards of ethical conduct. "If a man cannot be trusted with the government of himself, can he be trusted with the government of others?" [Thomas Jefferson]
Democrats - Loyalty to a discredited leader is a virtue and if other office holders have committed indiscretions, a sitting office holder should not be criticized for failing to uphold the highest standards of ethical conduct.
Outfctrl..one thing..my poor eyes
just color the party name at the begining of every paragraph
thanks again
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After careful consideration of all points involved in this thread, and, after having received a $2 million grant from Congress to study this thread, I have come to the following definative conclusion:
(drum roll, please)
A world without America would be a flat world, and Columbus would have fallen over the edge.
Thank you, I'll cash that $2 million check now
You do realize that us Libertarians look to nothing but Jefferson and the anti-federalists for our inspiration. Why do you think you see those two sources quoted so much from us on this site and others. They're what guides us on all our decision making processes. From whether we should go to war, to social situations, to economic situations.
And why haven't any Libertarians been elected? Because your two parties keep pushing us out of the debates and out of the public arena. Let us in a Presidential debate one time instead of changing the rules of entry and you'll see how much wind we can take out of your two party sails. Just one time would be enough.
If you want to know more about our "Marxism of the Right" views, then why don't you brush up by reading some articles published by our leading Marxist think tank members on CATO.org. You really should.
www.cato.org
Oh, and @Gnomer, good points you made. You're a good spokesperson. Run for office dude!!!
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Just go there and click on the "Video Highlight" link on the right side index. It's the David Boaz interview.
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Riddle me this Batman. What if a free society needed to draft its citizens in order to remain free? What if it needed to limit oil imports to protect the economic freedom of its citizens from unfriendly foreigners? What if it needed to force its citizens to become sufficiently educated to sustain a free society? What if it needed to deprive landowners of the freedom to refuse to sell their property as a precondition for giving everyone freedom of movement on highways? What if it needed to deprive citizens of the freedom to import cheap foreign labor in order to keep out poor foreigners who would vote for socialistic wealth redistribution?
In each of these cases, less freedom today is the price of more tomorrow. Total freedom today would just be a way of running down accumulated social capital and storing up problems for the future. So even if libertarianism is true in some ultimate sense, this does not prove that the libertarian policy choice is the right one today on any particular question.
Furthermore, if limiting freedom today may prolong it tomorrow, then limiting freedom tomorrow may prolong it the day after and so on, so the right amount of freedom may in fact be limited freedom in perpetuity. But if limited freedom is the right choice, then libertarianism, which makes freedom an absolute, is simply wrong.
Riddle me this Batman. What if a free society needed to draft its citizens in order to remain free? What if it needed to limit oil imports to protect the economic freedom of its citizens from unfriendly foreigners? What if it needed to force its citizens to become sufficiently educated to sustain a free society? What if it needed to deprive landowners of the freedom to refuse to sell their property as a precondition for giving everyone freedom of movement on highways? What if it needed to deprive citizens of the freedom to import cheap foreign labor in order to keep out poor foreigners who would vote for socialistic wealth redistribution?
In each of these cases, less freedom today is the price of more tomorrow. Total freedom today would just be a way of running down accumulated social capital and storing up problems for the future. So even if libertarianism is true in some ultimate sense, this does not prove that the libertarian policy choice is the right one today on any particular question.
Furthermore, if limiting freedom today may prolong it tomorrow, then limiting freedom tomorrow may prolong it the day after and so on, so the right amount of freedom may in fact be limited freedom in perpetuity. But if limited freedom is the right choice, then libertarianism, which makes freedom an absolute, is simply wrong.
I'd rather have absolute freedom today than a facade of freedom for eternity. Just because you'd prefer losing your civil liberties in favor of "national security" doesn't mean I would. Neither of us are right or wrong.
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Wonder why a Libertarian will never become president?
Wonder why a Libertarian will never become president?
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Wonder why a Libertarian will never become president?
Live for today, fuck tomorrow. I am sorry, that is selfishness at its finest.
Wonder why a Libertarian will never become president? You just said it.
If the desire for personal freedom is selfish and illogical, why not just live in a dictatorship? America was founded on the idea of freedom, not no knock warrants and wiretaps.
Sure it is, but not for the moment. It is meant to carry on, year after year. To have that, some sacrafices have to be made whether you like it or not.. A libertarian will never become president because lack of vision clouds the future.
Live for today, fuck tomorrow. I am sorry, that is selfishness at its finest.
a libertarian will never be president because the USA is way too used to the republicans and democrats ruling. any other party doesnt stand a chance.