Can you track the IPs of the people who log on to your voice chat with Vivox? If you can't, then it seems to me that Vivox just isn't as useful than private voice servers for intelligence gathering purposes.
No you can not, all voice go to a central server where it's mixed and sent back to the clients, the only IP you can log is the one on the central server.
Can you stage logon/logoff traps with Vivox? If you can't, then it seems to me that Vivox just isn't as useful than private voice servers for metagaming purposes.
What Vivox seems to forget is that fast oral communication in the context of play is only one advantage voice software provides. There are plenty of other advantages that a third party communications network provides that go beyond the game into the metagame, and its this metagaming function that forms the basis of the competitive advantage for the most powerful clans/alliances/guilds/corps. Voice software is a tool that allows the users to influence the game specifically because the tool is separate from the game. When it gets integrated, most of the utility of the tool is diminished.
An "offline" client has been mentioned several times. It will not be available from the start but will probably come later so both yes and no.
Can people who do not want to hear voices now, and do not use any voice program block voice, and keep sounds? Or is this Vivox going to ram someone's voice through the audio whether the person on the receiving end wants it, or not? If its integrated to the point where people who have no desire to use it have to deal with it, then it seems to me this is just going to make the game so much more unpalateable.
If you don't pay for the voice upgrade you want here a single thing, and even if you do you will have to activilly join the voice channels you want to listen to.
I don't think they have forgotten anything, while the inital offering is a bit bare more features that allow most of these things (expect IP tracking) will come in time.
It seems to me that in a game like EVE, anyone who gets in on a voice tool that doesn't allow for IP tracking, flexability, and the ability to use it in a "morally flexible" fashion is putting themselves at a disadvantage over those who are able to do so. I mean, alliances like BoB take the game so seriously, they aren't going to jump into a system unless they can monitor who is on their voice comms. We aren't just talking the character here, but the players behind the characters. You can only do that by monitoring the user's unique IP, which also allows one to monitor their external forums, launch reprisals in the form of DOS, etc.
Is it the sort of things that should belong in EVE? No, but the alliances want EVE to be about data mining, and against internet anonymity. I don't think that EVE is willing or able to really go back, given how many in the big time game are so paranoid about spies, theives, and hackers that they refuse to game with anyone whom they can't affix to a RL profile somewhere.
What Vivox doesn't understand is that if alliances can't win using their tool, their tool is useless. TS/Vent users have so many more advantages, both licit and illicit, that you'd be a fool to give that up for a system that doesn't allow monitoring, and system profiling.
__________________________ "Its sad when people use religion to feel superior, its even worse to see people using a video game to do it." --Arcken
"...when it comes to pimping EVE I have little restraints." --Hellmar, CEO of CCP.
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I don't think they have forgotten anything, while the inital offering is a bit bare more features that allow most of these things (expect IP tracking) will come in time.
It seems to me that in a game like EVE, anyone who gets in on a voice tool that doesn't allow for IP tracking, flexability, and the ability to use it in a "morally flexible" fashion is putting themselves at a disadvantage over those who are able to do so. I mean, alliances like BoB take the game so seriously, they aren't going to jump into a system unless they can monitor who is on their voice comms. We aren't just talking the character here, but the players behind the characters. You can only do that by monitoring the user's unique IP, which also allows one to monitor their external forums, launch reprisals in the form of DOS, etc.
Is it the sort of things that should belong in EVE? No, but the alliances want EVE to be about data mining, and against internet anonymity. I don't think that EVE is willing or able to really go back, given how many in the big time game are so paranoid about spies, theives, and hackers that they refuse to game with anyone whom they can't affix to a RL profile somewhere.
What Vivox doesn't understand is that if alliances can't win using their tool, their tool is useless. TS/Vent users have so many more advantages, both licit and illicit, that you'd be a fool to give that up for a system that doesn't allow monitoring, and system profiling.
__________________________
"Its sad when people use religion to feel superior, its even worse to see people using a video game to do it."
--Arcken
"...when it comes to pimping EVE I have little restraints."
--Hellmar, CEO of CCP.
"It's like they took a gun, put it to their nugget sack and pulled the trigger over and over again, each time telling us how great it was that they were shooting themselves in the balls."
--Exar_Kun on SWG's NGE