Why do they waste their time with voice support? We all have TS and Vent! Concentrate on the upgrades/updates. The one game I played with voice support was a mess. Spent half the time trying to adjust for everyone.
Because TS and Vent quality isn't always the greatest. Not everyone has the bandwidth to run a server.
I can't see who is talking when you are in vent.
I can be a pain to get everyone the server info and everyone setup and running on it.
Eve chat will show be who's talking, it will quickly put people into channels which makes organizing fleet ops and such very easy. It will ensure that we are all on the same chat system. It won't use EVE server bandwidth, it won't take player bandwidth to run a server.
Overall it will make for a higher quality experience all around.
When I read the caption that said they were going to talk about recent scams, I thought it was going to be the one that they were personally involved in. Guess that was too much to ask.
Am I beating a dead horse? Maybe....but they got caught cheating.....and that should never be allowed to go away. Every person needs to know about it.
Some developers within CCP, the company that makes EVE have been caught aiding corporations(s)/alliances in the eve universe.
The only reason this was brought to light was through the activities of one player who has now been barred from the game, without this we would have never known and it probably would still be continuing.
A lot of time and effort go into playing the game but what’s the point when you find out that developers have been giving their corporations crucial information that has given them access to untold wealth, ability to create valuable items whenever they want and practice on pre-release patch versions long before anyone else.
CCP has responded weakly. They have given the topic some time on their forums but now barred anyone discussing it further and want it swept under the carpet. They haven’t taken any meaningful action within their company. The developers can still own their own characters. The player that was most responsible for this situation is still employed with the company. And presumably this situation will likely occur in the future.
If you like playing on a level playing field, avoid this game.
Some developers within CCP, the company that makes EVE have been caught aiding corporations(s)/alliances in the eve universe. The only reason this was brought to light was through the activities of one player who has now been barred from the game, without this we would have never known and it probably would still be continuing. A lot of time and effort go into playing the game but what’s the point when you find out that developers have been giving their corporations crucial information that has given them access to untold wealth, ability to create valuable items whenever they want and practice on pre-release patch versions long before anyone else. CCP has responded weakly. They have given the topic some time on their forums but now barred anyone discussing it further and want it swept under the carpet. They haven’t taken any meaningful action within their company. The developers can still own their own characters. The player that was most responsible for this situation is still employed with the company. And presumably this situation will likely occur in the future. If you like playing on a level playing field, avoid this game.
It was ONE developer, repeat ONE developer. Not SOME developers, ONE developer. Quit fucking making a mountain out of a molehill FFS. When it happened they didn't have clear guidlines in place to handle the situation properly and someone screwed up by not firing him. Now they do so if it happens again they will take appropriate actions.
After the enslaver incident I now fully believe Kugu got what he deserved in his banning.
I have read both sides of the story and for me there are still many unanswered questions. Its not in the CCP's interest to be forthcomming with everything they know. Internal investigations are notoriously biased and i think its naieve to think they have told us everything. More likely only admitting to what can be proved.
Why do they waste their time with voice support? We all have TS and Vent! Concentrate on the upgrades/updates. The one game I played with voice support was a mess. Spent half the time trying to adjust for everyone.
Do you not read? Most of the work was done by an outside company that is hosting the chat servers. Now there is a world of differeance from using a TS or vent server on someone's personal computer using a cable modem. To a paid service using dedicated high speed servers and bandwidth connections. I'd gladly pay $10 a year for a high quality feature rich Voice of IP. Having used vent and other player supported systems for raids it's a freaking mess. Being able to mute everyone when the moderator talks is worth the price of admission alone. If $10 is too much for you. Then please ask your parents for a raise. The play indicator when someone speaking in game is also awesome. So next time you shoot from the hip i suggest you actually read the facts before you start shooting off your mouth accusing a company of something they did not do. Like according to you "wasitng time". If you ever spent 5 seconds think about ingame communication, you'd know that this new VoIP system is the best I have ever even heard of. Kudos to CCP and their partner company for creating the best VoIP system in a game ever.
The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity. - Harlan Ellison
15 a year is not bad at all but honestly, id think id rather see it be 16 a year in groups of 4 months . So $4 a month. Becuase a year is a long time to commite to. and the service should not be just for the eleet players, who have time invested.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
Some developers within CCP, the company that makes EVE have been caught aiding corporations(s)/alliances in the eve universe. The only reason this was brought to light was through the activities of one player who has now been barred from the game, without this we would have never known and it probably would still be continuing. A lot of time and effort go into playing the game but what’s the point when you find out that developers have been giving their corporations crucial information that has given them access to untold wealth, ability to create valuable items whenever they want and practice on pre-release patch versions long before anyone else. CCP has responded weakly. They have given the topic some time on their forums but now barred anyone discussing it further and want it swept under the carpet. They haven’t taken any meaningful action within their company. The developers can still own their own characters. The player that was most responsible for this situation is still employed with the company. And presumably this situation will likely occur in the future. If you like playing on a level playing field, avoid this game.
Correction:
1 (ONE) developer was found to be doing anything wrong. They also backed out the BPO's and put them back into the random distribution system. They also have a whole new team to prevent future possibilities. They implemented new policies AND new applications to prevent future occurances as well. The employee in question was disciplined at the time of the occurance.
Just because you don't like how it was handled doesn't mean it wasn't handled. I agree that T20 (the employee in question) should have been fired but he wasn't at the time and CCP follows a 'no double jeapordy" rule. Since he's already been punished for the issue they aren't going to fire him now, over 6 months later. Whether you like it or not really doesn't matter.
The only other "legitimate" gripe people have is the difference in the handling of SirMolle and Kug... and, frankly, I could really give a rats ass less about that one.
As to your rants about the forums:
They held the thread for discussion on the issue open for a very long time. The only threads that got locked/deleted were people spamming the forums with more and more threads about it rather than discussing it in the main one. I, for one, am glad they did this because the forums were getting bombarded with constant new posts when it was totally un-necessary. Just like you guys are doing in the EVE forums here. 5 or 6 grumpy bastages have generated at least 20 threads on the SAME ISSUE in our forums here, which makes it really hard to have any meaningful discussions about in-game or out-of game activities within EVE with you jacktards spamming the forums about an issue that's been over for over a month already. Get on with your lives, seriously. Nobody cares anymore but you. CCP handled the issue, dealt with it, and the rest of the universe has moved on.
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell
I agree the cheatign was bad , i mean it is cheating, however, It was not liek he gave them a free armada of titans or something. It seemed to be more of a i am goign to play around with a ship a bit. (i mean oewn of the bpo he has was like ... rockets or smaller missles or something). Now the quests that reamins is how many times did he do this , that is where this becomes an issue.
I know the problem and why it happened, becuase dev and gms are lonely. That right , see Eve has one of the best communities of all games and well 99% of them 1000000x more question asked in eve then other game are answerd by other players Poor lonely gms and devs
On a more serious note I like Eve but i wished they would changed 2 things , 1 the ability to get group agent missions, and 2 how space combat works, make it more interactive (and they are trying to do this at some rate).
As far as the state of Eve, it is good i kinda wish they made new oppritunities for new corps etc to be made .... I have no freakign clue how to acomplish this however
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
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Good answer. I can see why some would want it.
Because TS and Vent quality isn't always the greatest. Not everyone has the bandwidth to run a server.
I can't see who is talking when you are in vent.
I can be a pain to get everyone the server info and everyone setup and running on it.
Eve chat will show be who's talking, it will quickly put people into channels which makes organizing fleet ops and such very easy. It will ensure that we are all on the same chat system. It won't use EVE server bandwidth, it won't take player bandwidth to run a server.
Overall it will make for a higher quality experience all around.
I was thinking the same thing.
Some developers within CCP, the company that makes EVE have been caught aiding corporations(s)/alliances in the eve universe.
The only reason this was brought to light was through the activities of one player who has now been barred from the game, without this we would have never known and it probably would still be continuing.
A lot of time and effort go into playing the game but what’s the point when you find out that developers have been giving their corporations crucial information that has given them access to untold wealth, ability to create valuable items whenever they want and practice on pre-release patch versions long before anyone else.
CCP has responded weakly. They have given the topic some time on their forums but now barred anyone discussing it further and want it swept under the carpet. They haven’t taken any meaningful action within their company. The developers can still own their own characters. The player that was most responsible for this situation is still employed with the company. And presumably this situation will likely occur in the future.
If you like playing on a level playing field, avoid this game.
After the enslaver incident I now fully believe Kugu got what he deserved in his banning.
@ Steve106
Go back and read over and over what both sides of the arguement have posted kid, cuz it clearly seems that you have selective memory.
I have read both sides of the story and for me there are still many unanswered questions. Its not in the CCP's interest to be forthcomming with everything they know. Internal investigations are notoriously biased and i think its naieve to think they have told us everything. More likely only admitting to what can be proved.
The two most common elements in the universe are Hydrogen and stupidity. - Harlan Ellison
15 a year is not bad at all but honestly, id think id rather see it be 16 a year in groups of 4 months . So $4 a month. Becuase a year is a long time to commite to. and the service should not be just for the eleet players, who have time invested.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
1 (ONE) developer was found to be doing anything wrong. They also backed out the BPO's and put them back into the random distribution system. They also have a whole new team to prevent future possibilities. They implemented new policies AND new applications to prevent future occurances as well. The employee in question was disciplined at the time of the occurance.
Just because you don't like how it was handled doesn't mean it wasn't handled. I agree that T20 (the employee in question) should have been fired but he wasn't at the time and CCP follows a 'no double jeapordy" rule. Since he's already been punished for the issue they aren't going to fire him now, over 6 months later. Whether you like it or not really doesn't matter.
The only other "legitimate" gripe people have is the difference in the handling of SirMolle and Kug... and, frankly, I could really give a rats ass less about that one.
As to your rants about the forums:
They held the thread for discussion on the issue open for a very long time. The only threads that got locked/deleted were people spamming the forums with more and more threads about it rather than discussing it in the main one. I, for one, am glad they did this because the forums were getting bombarded with constant new posts when it was totally un-necessary. Just like you guys are doing in the EVE forums here. 5 or 6 grumpy bastages have generated at least 20 threads on the SAME ISSUE in our forums here, which makes it really hard to have any meaningful discussions about in-game or out-of game activities within EVE with you jacktards spamming the forums about an issue that's been over for over a month already. Get on with your lives, seriously. Nobody cares anymore but you. CCP handled the issue, dealt with it, and the rest of the universe has moved on.
"A ship-of-war is the best ambassador." - Oliver Cromwell
I know the problem and why it happened, becuase dev and gms are lonely. That right , see Eve has one of the best communities of all games and well 99% of them 1000000x more question asked in eve then other game are answerd by other players
On a more serious note I like Eve but i wished they would changed 2 things , 1 the ability to get group agent missions, and 2 how space combat works, make it more interactive (and they are trying to do this at some rate).
As far as the state of Eve, it is good i kinda wish they made new oppritunities for new corps etc to be made .... I have no freakign clue how to acomplish this however
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine