"I see many many people upset over the high end graphics of this game"
Wrong. People are upset about the low artistic quality of the game combined with the inefficient graphics engine. The end result is a lot of users have to upgrade their machines to play a game that does not look or perform as good as it should. That is why they are upset.
Also, the models in Vanguard are relativly high-polygon. Also the Unreal engine uses a LOT of normal and bump mapping so the models in the new UT game might have fewer polygons than you think (a lot of the normal/bump maps are generated from raytracing a super-high polygon source model which is then mapped onto the low polygon model ).
OMG..lol.Dude that whole post was to make you and others WAKE UP! you are not upgrading for that game alone ,it's for the future of gaming and ALL other games that come out pushing the envelope.Try waking up,i just read several posts of you guys arguing over >>>>>>"TRY reading the whole post"and now you are doing exactly that,as a matter of fact ,you totally missed the point all together.
I play ffxi,but my heart IS in the game.I have watched crafting nerfs,ranger /samarai nerfs,this would NEVER even be mentioned if i was to quit.You have to look beyond yourself and realize there are alot more players in the game,and respect the developers moves on creating game balance.That "Final nail in the coffin"statement should NEVER even come into play,as an arguement to quit.I find that extremely lame and SELFISH.Anyone that is remotely mature can see past that supericial post.
If you want to come out flaming because of game bugs,i consider that a very legitimate excuse,but if your machine has troubles playing the game or class nerfs are your problem then your being selfish/lame/biased pick one they all apply.
i am still RFLMAO ,from dude stating"Let me get this straight, you are comparing buying a new video card for just this one game"
ya that's it dude that's exactly what i was saying lmao,buy that video card JUST for that game alone ,as a matter of fact buy a new one everytime a game comes out.Don't go out and buy that AGEIA physice processor because ONLY unreal tournament 2007 will use it,no other game will use it lol.Dammit why did i even bother to upgrade past my pentium 200mmx,i must have been an idiot to do that,how dare all these new games force me past my nintendo 64...HOW DARE they!.
Plain and simple ..WAKE UP !
BTW turn down shaders if you are having problems with that system.You won't be missing much because the other cheap games out there are nor uisng much at all if any.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
OMG..lol.Dude that whole post was to make you and others WAKE UP! you are not upgrading for that game alone ,it's for the future of gaming and ALL other games that come out pushing the envelope.Try waking up,i just read several posts of you guys arguing over >>>>>>"TRY reading the whole post"and now you are doing exactly that,as a matter of fact ,you totally missed the point all together. I play ffxi,but my heart IS in the game.I have watched crafting nerfs,ranger /samarai nerfs,this would NEVER even be mentioned if i was to quit.You have to look beyond yourself and realize there are alot more players in the game,and respect the developers moves on creating game balance.That "Final nail in the coffin"statement should NEVER even come into play,as an arguement to quit.I find that extremely lame and SELFISH.Anyone that is remotely mature can see past that supericial post. If you want to come out flaming because of game bugs,i consider that a very legitimate excuse,but if your machine has troubles playing the game or class nerfs are your problem then your being selfish/lame/biased pick one they all apply. i am still RFLMAO ,from dude stating"Let me get this straight, you are comparing buying a new video card for just this one game" ya that's it dude that's exactly what i was saying lmao,buy that video card JUST for that game alone ,as a matter of fact buy a new one everytime a game comes out.Don't go out and buy that AGEIA physice processor because ONLY unreal tournament 2007 will use it,no other game will use it lol.Dammit why did i even bother to upgrade past my pentium 200mmx,i must have been an idiot to do that,how dare all these new games force me past my nintendo 64...HOW DARE they!. Plain and simple ..WAKE UP ! BTW turn down shaders if you are having problems with that system.You won't be missing much because the other cheap games out there are nor uisng much at all if any.
So you are saying it is fine that it has 'abnormally' high system requirements to get good performance because in the future there will be other games that can be played with the same hardware?
The problem is, if UPGRADED computers are having trouble with Vanguard now then how will they cope with games released in six months time if they push advancement just as hard they won't be able to...the computers would have to be upgraded again. Your point is moot.
OMG..lol.Dude that whole post was to make you and others WAKE UP! you are not upgrading for that game alone ,it's for the future of gaming and ALL other games that come out pushing the envelope.Try waking up,i just read several posts of you guys arguing over >>>>>>"TRY reading the whole post"and now you are doing exactly that,as a matter of fact ,you totally missed the point all together. I play ffxi,but my heart IS in the game.I have watched crafting nerfs,ranger /samarai nerfs,this would NEVER even be mentioned if i was to quit.You have to look beyond yourself and realize there are alot more players in the game,and respect the developers moves on creating game balance.That "Final nail in the coffin"statement should NEVER even come into play,as an arguement to quit.I find that extremely lame and SELFISH.Anyone that is remotely mature can see past that supericial post. If you want to come out flaming because of game bugs,i consider that a very legitimate excuse,but if your machine has troubles playing the game or class nerfs are your problem then your being selfish/lame/biased pick one they all apply. i am still RFLMAO ,from dude stating"Let me get this straight, you are comparing buying a new video card for just this one game" ya that's it dude that's exactly what i was saying lmao,buy that video card JUST for that game alone ,as a matter of fact buy a new one everytime a game comes out.Don't go out and buy that AGEIA physice processor because ONLY unreal tournament 2007 will use it,no other game will use it lol.Dammit why did i even bother to upgrade past my pentium 200mmx,i must have been an idiot to do that,how dare all these new games force me past my nintendo 64...HOW DARE they!. Plain and simple ..WAKE UP ! BTW turn down shaders if you are having problems with that system.You won't be missing much because the other cheap games out there are nor uisng much at all if any.
So you are saying it is fine that it has 'abnormally' high system requirements to get good performance because in the future there will be other games that can be played with the same hardware?
The problem is, if UPGRADED computers are having trouble with Vanguard now then how will they cope with games released in six months time if they push advancement just as hard they won't be able to...the computers would have to be upgraded again. Your point is moot. Thank you Suttonian, you saved me alot of typing.
I still do not get how someone can advocate buying new hardware for a game. Especially when said game wont run well on Fantastic current hardware.
But i guess we all can't live in mom's basement and not have to pay bills?
But i have come to a horrific realization, wasted 99.00 on a collectors edition, and spent over a month of my time wasted on a haphazard attempt at living up to a games first Vision the Developers said was going to be this games direction.
Hmm.... yes there are problems here and there, but I see nothing game breaking.
To me, after the last couple patches, the game play is now great. I am still missing THE life in this huge world, but I see it improving with each patch (details like birds, snakes... added, mobs starting to run around for deliveries , guild castles and arenas poping at places, etc...), so it is definitely coming.
Of course the vision should have bean implemented before the release; you knew about the situation and started playing. The devs have now spend 6 weeks fixing bugs, and now you are complaining that the devs have not implemented the promised vision in 6 weeks. I mean,... come on...
I hope you'll find a nice game to play; come back to check it out in a few months if you feel like it.
The problem here BigMango is that it is NOT about you, it is about HIM.
He is basing his actions on his experiences not yours. Just as you dismiss his experiences as
bogus, he is dismissing yours for precisely the same reason.
In your opinion, performance and gameplay have significantly improved. Unfortunately, his experiences
lead him to conclude something different. Neither person is wrong. I find it amazing that anyone
believes that software problems don't exist unless they personally experience them. Perhaps
that is what happened during beta, the developers didn't see the problems so they decided they
didn't exist. The end result is that you get a game in the sorry state that VSOH was released in and
all the gimmicks in the world can't get your credibility back.
I am sure Dradiian wished he knew the state of the vision before he bought the box but he is making
amends for that mistake now. Come back in a few months ? What the hell for ? You only get one
chance to make a good first impression.
Dude, come down. There's no need to get that exited about anything here. You seem to be gone way off to mars, what happened to you ?
I didn't dismiss anything. Where did I say that "software problems don't exist" ? Sure some people are having problems, that doesn't mean every one MUST have problems. And what is this stuff about being about him and not about me ? Cool down mate.
He wrote about his experience, I told him about mine. He said he had a bad experience, I told him this game is not bad for every one. THIS MEANS, that there is some hope for him, maybe in the future.
Hmm... you are a strange fellow. Because someone is giving his opinion on this forum, we cannot give ours ? Why are you posting here then ?
Now about coming back in a few months: " What the hell for ? You only get one chance to make a good first impression.", go ask that to the thousands of EQ2 players who came back to the game after they fixed it.
I think its a reasonable suggestion. You see, my opinion is not the same as yours. I see you don't like that, do you ? You seem to be one of those guys that won't accept that anyone else can have a different opinion than yours. I'm so sorry for you mate, but you are not alone here.
Come down ? Down where ? Perhaps you mean calm down. Gone to Mars ? Not even worthy of a response.
Reread your own post. You specifically said "you see nothing gamebreaking". He does see the problems as
gamebreaking. Dismissal doesn't mean that the problems don't exist, it means they are not considered
important enough to be showstoppers. For him, they are important enough to cancel the game, period the end.
Perhaps I overreacted on the second paragraph, reading it again, I see I missed the words "To me".
I respect those opinions that at least acknowledge that other opinions are valid and do it without resorting to insults.
So if you mean like = respect, then the answer would be no, I do not like your opinion.
34 Shaman, and 3 more L21 characters? Im not criticising anyone's style of play, but when you obviously grind as opposed to just playing a game youre bound to burn out sooner rather than later. After 6 weeks, including 2 double xp weekends, my DSC is L24. If she has been nerfed, to the extent you claim healers have, then I certainly havent noticed it - I sure knew when my class was overpowered though; and hated it. My biggest criticism of the game is that levelling is too fast; especially when weighed against the size of the world. If I join a party to accomplish a group quest Ive gotten anything from 50%-100% of a level in what seems no time at all. Time flies when youre having fun, I just hate to see my levels fly by as quickly. I believe levelling so quickly actually reinforces a compulsion to grind and sometimes it is up to us, the player, to resist that temptation and just damn well play. I know Im not alone, there are players like me who can happily spend a whole play session exploring, mixing it up with opposing player faction if an opportunity arises, harvesting or even browsing the auction; we dont consider a play session with no XP earned a waste of time. I think for this type of gamer VG is pretty damn perfect...especially in its current state of newness where higher level content hasnt had the attention to detail yet as it will have had by the time us "casual core" players get to sample it.
Getting to level 20 in Van is cake not a difficult feat at all. 31 an up it gets slow, also, its very easy to level healers in most games, i am always needed for grps and never have a time in game when i am not exping.
As for my reasons for Quitting, it had nothing to do with being burnt out it had everything to do with game issues and statements made by developers that turned in to out and out falsehoods. See i played alot of Lineage2, anyone who knows that game knows grind, knows burn out and knows tedium. Vanguard never came close to that kind of tedium it was more frustration and mistrust.
game issues I fully understand and I know many people have problems with it, I’m just one of the lucky ones that doesn't have that many problems (doesn't mean i don't have any kind of problem with V), I know it can be the type of play someone may have. People playing focus on pvp might experience the game different then people that might be full crafters or explorers, each his own.
The statement thing is somewhat funny, I guess you have no idea how many lies are told everyday on a regular basis in the most common things in life, think you know the truth about Taxes, and there are so many things you need to take with a little bit of salt.
I can only give you some advice: Don't play statements, don't play hype, just plays a game or mmorpg, and don’t like it time to move on to the next game you might like.
34 Shaman, and 3 more L21 characters? Im not criticising anyone's style of play, but when you obviously grind as opposed to just playing a game youre bound to burn out sooner rather than later. After 6 weeks, including 2 double xp weekends, my DSC is L24. If she has been nerfed, to the extent you claim healers have, then I certainly havent noticed it - I sure knew when my class was overpowered though; and hated it. My biggest criticism of the game is that levelling is too fast; especially when weighed against the size of the world. If I join a party to accomplish a group quest Ive gotten anything from 50%-100% of a level in what seems no time at all. Time flies when youre having fun, I just hate to see my levels fly by as quickly. I believe levelling so quickly actually reinforces a compulsion to grind and sometimes it is up to us, the player, to resist that temptation and just damn well play. I know Im not alone, there are players like me who can happily spend a whole play session exploring, mixing it up with opposing player faction if an opportunity arises, harvesting or even browsing the auction; we dont consider a play session with no XP earned a waste of time. I think for this type of gamer VG is pretty damn perfect...especially in its current state of newness where higher level content hasnt had the attention to detail yet as it will have had by the time us "casual core" players get to sample it.
Getting to level 20 in Van is cake not a difficult feat at all. 31 an up it gets slow, also, its very easy to level healers in most games, i am always needed for grps and never have a time in game when i am not exping.
As for my reasons for Quitting, it had nothing to do with being burnt out it had everything to do with game issues and statements made by developers that turned in to out and out falsehoods. See i played alot of Lineage2, anyone who knows that game knows grind, knows burn out and knows tedium. Vanguard never came close to that kind of tedium it was more frustration and mistrust.
game issues I fully understand and I know many people have problems with it, I’m just one of the lucky ones that doesn't have that many problems (doesn't mean i don't have any kind of problem with V), I know it can be the type of play someone may have. People playing focus on pvp might experience the game different then people that might be full crafters or explorers, each his own.
The statement thing is somewhat funny, I guess you have no idea how many lies are told everyday on a regular basis in the most common things in life, think you know the truth about Taxes, and there are so many things you need to take with a little bit of salt.
I can only give you some advice: Don't play statements, don't play hype, just plays a game or mmorpg, and don’t like it time to move on to the next game you might like.
Honestly i can't tell if yer agreeing with me or not, as for taking a developers word on anything... why shouldn't i ? Why should the norm be expect to be lied to ? Why should we as gamers not expect developers to live up to what they have promised?
Just seems odd that as gamers we should just throw in the truth towel in favor of the well it happens all the time take it like a man towel.
Anyhow, i did make my choice and i did cancel, i originally came here and posted as sort of a broad appology to those who i flamed when open beta was upon us and i was a huge Vanboi. But since alot of you posters comment on threads you don't bother to even read i have had to post more explanations with more exacting details to better get my basic points across to the umm... thicker heads.
34 Shaman, and 3 more L21 characters? Im not criticising anyone's style of play, but when you obviously grind as opposed to just playing a game youre bound to burn out sooner rather than later. After 6 weeks, including 2 double xp weekends, my DSC is L24. If she has been nerfed, to the extent you claim healers have, then I certainly havent noticed it - I sure knew when my class was overpowered though; and hated it. My biggest criticism of the game is that levelling is too fast; especially when weighed against the size of the world. If I join a party to accomplish a group quest Ive gotten anything from 50%-100% of a level in what seems no time at all. Time flies when youre having fun, I just hate to see my levels fly by as quickly. I believe levelling so quickly actually reinforces a compulsion to grind and sometimes it is up to us, the player, to resist that temptation and just damn well play. I know Im not alone, there are players like me who can happily spend a whole play session exploring, mixing it up with opposing player faction if an opportunity arises, harvesting or even browsing the auction; we dont consider a play session with no XP earned a waste of time. I think for this type of gamer VG is pretty damn perfect...especially in its current state of newness where higher level content hasnt had the attention to detail yet as it will have had by the time us "casual core" players get to sample it.
Getting to level 20 in Van is cake not a difficult feat at all. 31 an up it gets slow, also, its very easy to level healers in most games, i am always needed for grps and never have a time in game when i am not exping.
As for my reasons for Quitting, it had nothing to do with being burnt out it had everything to do with game issues and statements made by developers that turned in to out and out falsehoods. See i played alot of Lineage2, anyone who knows that game knows grind, knows burn out and knows tedium. Vanguard never came close to that kind of tedium it was more frustration and mistrust.
game issues I fully understand and I know many people have problems with it, I’m just one of the lucky ones that doesn't have that many problems (doesn't mean i don't have any kind of problem with V), I know it can be the type of play someone may have. People playing focus on pvp might experience the game different then people that might be full crafters or explorers, each his own.
The statement thing is somewhat funny, I guess you have no idea how many lies are told everyday on a regular basis in the most common things in life, think you know the truth about Taxes, and there are so many things you need to take with a little bit of salt.
I can only give you some advice: Don't play statements, don't play hype, just plays a game or mmorpg, and don’t like it time to move on to the next game you might like.
Honestly i can't tell if yer agreeing with me or not, as for taking a developers word on anything... why shouldn't i ? Why should the norm be expect to be lied to ? Why should we as gamers not expect developers to live up to what they have promised?
Just seems odd that as gamers we should just throw in the truth towel in favor of the well it happens all the time take it like a man towel.
Anyhow, i did make my choice and i did cancel, i originally came here and posted as sort of a broad appology to those who i flamed when open beta was upon us and i was a huge Vanboi. But since alot of you posters comment on threads you don't bother to even read i have had to post more explanations with more exacting details to better get my basic points across to the umm... thicker heads.
I agree with you so don't get me wrong m8, but the thing is i'm what some might call a SWG vet but pre-cu SWG, i know what SOE did back then therefor never have since then have put al my trust into what developrs or publishers say or not say, i noticed what happend with me at that time that makes some of the V haters look like little baby's (sort of speak no intent of insuilt), it scared me "a grown man" upset about what? a game? , i thought no more, i can not really be upset about a game now can i unless it would be a matter of live and death, sure i can be disappointed by how the game ended up but i'm just saying it's a game, i'm not saying no one can express how they feel about the game and i respect people when they are being honost like you where in you orginal post. To bad both you and me needed to explain eachother to eachother because we seem to be misunderstanding eachother.
But i have come to a horrific realization, wasted 99.00 on a collectors edition, and spent over a month of my time wasted on a haphazard attempt at living up to a games first Vision the Developers said was going to be this games direction.
Hmm.... yes there are problems here and there, but I see nothing game breaking.
To me, after the last couple patches, the game play is now great. I am still missing THE life in this huge world, but I see it improving with each patch (details like birds, snakes... added, mobs starting to run around for deliveries , guild castles and arenas poping at places, etc...), so it is definitely coming.
Of course the vision should have bean implemented before the release; you knew about the situation and started playing. The devs have now spend 6 weeks fixing bugs, and now you are complaining that the devs have not implemented the promised vision in 6 weeks. I mean,... come on...
I hope you'll find a nice game to play; come back to check it out in a few months if you feel like it.
The problem here BigMango is that it is NOT about you, it is about HIM.
He is basing his actions on his experiences not yours. Just as you dismiss his experiences as
bogus, he is dismissing yours for precisely the same reason.
In your opinion, performance and gameplay have significantly improved. Unfortunately, his experiences
lead him to conclude something different. Neither person is wrong. I find it amazing that anyone
believes that software problems don't exist unless they personally experience them. Perhaps
that is what happened during beta, the developers didn't see the problems so they decided they
didn't exist. The end result is that you get a game in the sorry state that VSOH was released in and
all the gimmicks in the world can't get your credibility back.
I am sure Dradiian wished he knew the state of the vision before he bought the box but he is making
amends for that mistake now. Come back in a few months ? What the hell for ? You only get one
chance to make a good first impression.
Dude, come down. There's no need to get that exited about anything here. You seem to be gone way off to mars, what happened to you ?
I didn't dismiss anything. Where did I say that "software problems don't exist" ? Sure some people are having problems, that doesn't mean every one MUST have problems. And what is this stuff about being about him and not about me ? Cool down mate.
He wrote about his experience, I told him about mine. He said he had a bad experience, I told him this game is not bad for every one. THIS MEANS, that there is some hope for him, maybe in the future.
Hmm... you are a strange fellow. Because someone is giving his opinion on this forum, we cannot give ours ? Why are you posting here then ?
Now about coming back in a few months: " What the hell for ? You only get one chance to make a good first impression.", go ask that to the thousands of EQ2 players who came back to the game after they fixed it.
I think its a reasonable suggestion. You see, my opinion is not the same as yours. I see you don't like that, do you ? You seem to be one of those guys that won't accept that anyone else can have a different opinion than yours. I'm so sorry for you mate, but you are not alone here.
Come down ? Down where ? Perhaps you mean calm down. Gone to Mars ? Not even worthy of a response.
Reread your own post. You specifically said "you see nothing gamebreaking". He does see the problems as
gamebreaking. Dismissal doesn't mean that the problems don't exist, it means they are not considered
important enough to be showstoppers. For him, they are important enough to cancel the game, period the end.
Perhaps I overreacted on the second paragraph, reading it again, I see I missed the words "To me".
I respect those opinions that at least acknowledge that other opinions are valid and do it without resorting to insults.
So if you mean like = respect, then the answer would be no, I do not like your opinion.
Save your pity for someone who cares.
Its because of trolls like you that these forums are such a trash. Hatred and flame wars all over.
The OP started a nice thread about his experience. I posted about mine. As I said, in my experience, on my machine, I don't see any gamebrakers. Does that mean the OP should not see any gamebreakers?
In the same way, if the OP sees gamebreakers, does this mean I should?
Learn to read and stop trolling around. For some reason I see you need to express a lot of frustration on these forums. One day you will grow up and learn to accept that others can have different opinions. There's no need for forum nazis pulling useless posts out of their back. What did you add to this thread ?
I might be wrong but isint Beta suppose to balance the classes out? I know there will always be some tweaking due to players finding new ways to take advantage of things, but it seems Vanguard classes are not even close to being balanced... Reminds me a lot of SWG. My Monk is good example of this, sure he's great in groups, but most of the times I can't find a group and solo play is impossible with the Monk having no way to heal themselves and eating food only improves health regeneation by maybe 15%... I still have to wait 3 mins or so between fights to recharge my health I tried to defend this game myself the last couple months, but im at the point now to say screw it and cancel my account...
You are correct, but VG is still in beta. And for the game concept, time has come for these old dinos to lay to rest. The old school games still hang on, because they made success in times past, however launching a game of the past, in the time of innovations should be disastrous. I hope, for the industry's sake, that VG flops.
Oh right, MMOs are never normally released with balance issues, nor do their dev team ever make changes months/years after launch that create imbalances
I guess that must make Sigil some kind of mould-breakers, huh?
OMG..lol.Dude that whole post was to make you and others WAKE UP! you are not upgrading for that game alone ,it's for the future of gaming and ALL other games that come out pushing the envelope.Try waking up,i just read several posts of you guys arguing over >>>>>>"TRY reading the whole post"and now you are doing exactly that,as a matter of fact ,you totally missed the point all together. I play ffxi,but my heart IS in the game.I have watched crafting nerfs,ranger /samarai nerfs,this would NEVER even be mentioned if i was to quit.You have to look beyond yourself and realize there are alot more players in the game,and respect the developers moves on creating game balance.That "Final nail in the coffin"statement should NEVER even come into play,as an arguement to quit.I find that extremely lame and SELFISH.Anyone that is remotely mature can see past that supericial post. If you want to come out flaming because of game bugs,i consider that a very legitimate excuse,but if your machine has troubles playing the game or class nerfs are your problem then your being selfish/lame/biased pick one they all apply. i am still RFLMAO ,from dude stating"Let me get this straight, you are comparing buying a new video card for just this one game" ya that's it dude that's exactly what i was saying lmao,buy that video card JUST for that game alone ,as a matter of fact buy a new one everytime a game comes out.Don't go out and buy that AGEIA physice processor because ONLY unreal tournament 2007 will use it,no other game will use it lol.Dammit why did i even bother to upgrade past my pentium 200mmx,i must have been an idiot to do that,how dare all these new games force me past my nintendo 64...HOW DARE they!. Plain and simple ..WAKE UP ! BTW turn down shaders if you are having problems with that system.You won't be missing much because the other cheap games out there are nor uisng much at all if any.
So you are saying it is fine that it has 'abnormally' high system requirements to get good performance because in the future there will be other games that can be played with the same hardware?
The problem is, if UPGRADED computers are having trouble with Vanguard now then how will they cope with games released in six months time if they push advancement just as hard they won't be able to...the computers would have to be upgraded again. Your point is moot.
I know people that got a 360 for just ONE game. Halo 3, and it's not even out yet.
Upgrading is an option, but required at the same time. If you want to continue playing PC games that utilize new software technology you have to upgrade. If you don't care that your system won't run games that well then you don't.
No one said you HAVE to upgrade. The point the guy was getting at was that bitcing about upgrading is by far the dumbest thing you can do when talking about PC gaming.
If you haven't figured out that PC gaming requires upgrading you're playing games on the wrong system.
At no point in PC gaming does the upgrading come all at once. There is ALWAYS ONE game that hits before all others that requires a beefier system to play. And there are always stooges running around screaming that the sky is falling because they shouldn't have to upgrade thier computer.
The 360 and PS3 didn't release with THOUSANDS of games as you put it. It releaed with just a handfull and the ability to play some of the older games. It's no dif. then upgrading your Gfx card, except that you don't have to spend as much, and can play every game you own still plus all the new ones that will come down the pipe.
MS and Sony don't stop making games for the previous gen console either. They continue to produce games for those consoles for a few months till people are ready to spend the money on the new system. PC upgrading works the same way.
Stop crying about upgrading for PC games. It's stupid.
34 Shaman, and 3 more L21 characters? Im not criticising anyone's style of play, but when you obviously grind as opposed to just playing a game youre bound to burn out sooner rather than later. After 6 weeks, including 2 double xp weekends, my DSC is L24. If she has been nerfed, to the extent you claim healers have, then I certainly havent noticed it - I sure knew when my class was overpowered though; and hated it. My biggest criticism of the game is that levelling is too fast; especially when weighed against the size of the world. If I join a party to accomplish a group quest Ive gotten anything from 50%-100% of a level in what seems no time at all. Time flies when youre having fun, I just hate to see my levels fly by as quickly. I believe levelling so quickly actually reinforces a compulsion to grind and sometimes it is up to us, the player, to resist that temptation and just damn well play. I know Im not alone, there are players like me who can happily spend a whole play session exploring, mixing it up with opposing player faction if an opportunity arises, harvesting or even browsing the auction; we dont consider a play session with no XP earned a waste of time. I think for this type of gamer VG is pretty damn perfect...especially in its current state of newness where higher level content hasnt had the attention to detail yet as it will have had by the time us "casual core" players get to sample it.
My Disciple is lvl 25 and I have been playing since first day of pre-order. He HAS been nerfed and I sure HAVE noticed it. So did all of my guild's clerics/shamans. Sometimes I wonder if you vanboiiz are playing the same game as the rest of us. Since the nerf I advanced about 6% into lvl 26 - thats around 6 days of play - so yes unlike ub3r L33t you it takes me about 4 times longer to kill something even con.
Oh right, MMOs are never normally released with balance issues, nor do their dev team ever make changes months/years after launch that create imbalances I guess that must make Sigil some kind of mould-breakers, huh?
No not really, Sigil brought nothing new to the table except diplomacy.
They did take all the things in past to extremes though, and they ended up with a meaningless world full of issues. But I know better than to bring that up against Brad, after all, it must all part of the Hardcore vision. I can already see the fans one year from now, battlehardened, scarred, burn marked, they have survived one year of VG, that is no care bear feat. I can already see them bragging about having livved the most hardcore experience of them all, an experience others were negligent to call "bugged", Bah!
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Wrong. People are upset about the low artistic quality of the game combined with the inefficient graphics engine. The end result is a lot of users have to upgrade their machines to play a game that does not look or perform as good as it should. That is why they are upset.
Also, the models in Vanguard are relativly high-polygon. Also the Unreal engine uses a LOT of normal and bump mapping so the models in the new UT game might have fewer polygons than you think (a lot of the normal/bump maps are generated from raytracing a super-high polygon source model which is then mapped onto the low polygon model ).
OMG..lol.Dude that whole post was to make you and others WAKE UP! you are not upgrading for that game alone ,it's for the future of gaming and ALL other games that come out pushing the envelope.Try waking up,i just read several posts of you guys arguing over >>>>>>"TRY reading the whole post"and now you are doing exactly that,as a matter of fact ,you totally missed the point all together.
I play ffxi,but my heart IS in the game.I have watched crafting nerfs,ranger /samarai nerfs,this would NEVER even be mentioned if i was to quit.You have to look beyond yourself and realize there are alot more players in the game,and respect the developers moves on creating game balance.That "Final nail in the coffin"statement should NEVER even come into play,as an arguement to quit.I find that extremely lame and SELFISH.Anyone that is remotely mature can see past that supericial post.
If you want to come out flaming because of game bugs,i consider that a very legitimate excuse,but if your machine has troubles playing the game or class nerfs are your problem then your being selfish/lame/biased pick one they all apply.
i am still RFLMAO ,from dude stating"Let me get this straight, you are comparing buying a new video card for just this one game"
ya that's it dude that's exactly what i was saying lmao,buy that video card JUST for that game alone ,as a matter of fact buy a new one everytime a game comes out.Don't go out and buy that AGEIA physice processor because ONLY unreal tournament 2007 will use it,no other game will use it lol.Dammit why did i even bother to upgrade past my pentium 200mmx,i must have been an idiot to do that,how dare all these new games force me past my nintendo 64...HOW DARE they!.
Plain and simple ..WAKE UP !
BTW turn down shaders if you are having problems with that system.You won't be missing much because the other cheap games out there are nor uisng much at all if any.
Never forget 3 mile Island and never trust a government official or company spokesman.
The problem is, if UPGRADED computers are having trouble with Vanguard now then how will they cope with games released in six months time if they push advancement just as hard they won't be able to...the computers would have to be upgraded again. Your point is moot.
The problem is, if UPGRADED computers are having trouble with Vanguard now then how will they cope with games released in six months time if they push advancement just as hard they won't be able to...the computers would have to be upgraded again. Your point is moot. Thank you Suttonian, you saved me alot of typing.
I still do not get how someone can advocate buying new hardware for a game. Especially when said game wont run well on Fantastic current hardware.
But i guess we all can't live in mom's basement and not have to pay bills?
To me, after the last couple patches, the game play is now great. I am still missing THE life in this huge world, but I see it improving with each patch (details like birds, snakes... added, mobs starting to run around for deliveries , guild castles and arenas poping at places, etc...), so it is definitely coming.
Of course the vision should have bean implemented before the release; you knew about the situation and started playing. The devs have now spend 6 weeks fixing bugs, and now you are complaining that the devs have not implemented the promised vision in 6 weeks. I mean,... come on...
I hope you'll find a nice game to play; come back to check it out in a few months if you feel like it.
The problem here BigMango is that it is NOT about you, it is about HIM.
He is basing his actions on his experiences not yours. Just as you dismiss his experiences as
bogus, he is dismissing yours for precisely the same reason.
In your opinion, performance and gameplay have significantly improved. Unfortunately, his experiences
lead him to conclude something different. Neither person is wrong. I find it amazing that anyone
believes that software problems don't exist unless they personally experience them. Perhaps
that is what happened during beta, the developers didn't see the problems so they decided they
didn't exist. The end result is that you get a game in the sorry state that VSOH was released in and
all the gimmicks in the world can't get your credibility back.
I am sure Dradiian wished he knew the state of the vision before he bought the box but he is making
amends for that mistake now. Come back in a few months ? What the hell for ? You only get one
chance to make a good first impression.
Dude, come down. There's no need to get that exited about anything here. You seem to be gone way off to mars, what happened to you ?
I didn't dismiss anything. Where did I say that "software problems don't exist" ? Sure some people are having problems, that doesn't mean every one MUST have problems. And what is this stuff about being about him and not about me ? Cool down mate.
He wrote about his experience, I told him about mine. He said he had a bad experience, I told him this game is not bad for every one. THIS MEANS, that there is some hope for him, maybe in the future.
Hmm... you are a strange fellow. Because someone is giving his opinion on this forum, we cannot give ours ? Why are you posting here then ?
Now about coming back in a few months: " What the hell for ? You only get one chance to make a good first impression.", go ask that to the thousands of EQ2 players who came back to the game after they fixed it.
I think its a reasonable suggestion. You see, my opinion is not the same as yours. I see you don't like that, do you ? You seem to be one of those guys that won't accept that anyone else can have a different opinion than yours. I'm so sorry for you mate, but you are not alone here.
Come down ? Down where ? Perhaps you mean calm down. Gone to Mars ? Not even worthy of a response.
Reread your own post. You specifically said "you see nothing gamebreaking". He does see the problems as
gamebreaking. Dismissal doesn't mean that the problems don't exist, it means they are not considered
important enough to be showstoppers. For him, they are important enough to cancel the game, period the end.
Perhaps I overreacted on the second paragraph, reading it again, I see I missed the words "To me".
I respect those opinions that at least acknowledge that other opinions are valid and do it without resorting to insults.
So if you mean like = respect, then the answer would be no, I do not like your opinion.
Save your pity for someone who cares.
As for my reasons for Quitting, it had nothing to do with being burnt out it had everything to do with game issues and statements made by developers that turned in to out and out falsehoods. See i played alot of Lineage2, anyone who knows that game knows grind, knows burn out and knows tedium. Vanguard never came close to that kind of tedium it was more frustration and mistrust.
game issues I fully understand and I know many people have problems with it, I’m just one of the lucky ones that doesn't have that many problems (doesn't mean i don't have any kind of problem with V), I know it can be the type of play someone may have. People playing focus on pvp might experience the game different then people that might be full crafters or explorers, each his own.
The statement thing is somewhat funny, I guess you have no idea how many lies are told everyday on a regular basis in the most common things in life, think you know the truth about Taxes, and there are so many things you need to take with a little bit of salt.
I can only give you some advice: Don't play statements, don't play hype, just plays a game or mmorpg, and don’t like it time to move on to the next game you might like.
As for my reasons for Quitting, it had nothing to do with being burnt out it had everything to do with game issues and statements made by developers that turned in to out and out falsehoods. See i played alot of Lineage2, anyone who knows that game knows grind, knows burn out and knows tedium. Vanguard never came close to that kind of tedium it was more frustration and mistrust.
game issues I fully understand and I know many people have problems with it, I’m just one of the lucky ones that doesn't have that many problems (doesn't mean i don't have any kind of problem with V), I know it can be the type of play someone may have. People playing focus on pvp might experience the game different then people that might be full crafters or explorers, each his own.
The statement thing is somewhat funny, I guess you have no idea how many lies are told everyday on a regular basis in the most common things in life, think you know the truth about Taxes, and there are so many things you need to take with a little bit of salt.
I can only give you some advice: Don't play statements, don't play hype, just plays a game or mmorpg, and don’t like it time to move on to the next game you might like.
Honestly i can't tell if yer agreeing with me or not, as for taking a developers word on anything... why shouldn't i ? Why should the norm be expect to be lied to ? Why should we as gamers not expect developers to live up to what they have promised?Just seems odd that as gamers we should just throw in the truth towel in favor of the well it happens all the time take it like a man towel.
Anyhow, i did make my choice and i did cancel, i originally came here and posted as sort of a broad appology to those who i flamed when open beta was upon us and i was a huge Vanboi. But since alot of you posters comment on threads you don't bother to even read i have had to post more explanations with more exacting details to better get my basic points across to the umm... thicker heads.
As for my reasons for Quitting, it had nothing to do with being burnt out it had everything to do with game issues and statements made by developers that turned in to out and out falsehoods. See i played alot of Lineage2, anyone who knows that game knows grind, knows burn out and knows tedium. Vanguard never came close to that kind of tedium it was more frustration and mistrust.
game issues I fully understand and I know many people have problems with it, I’m just one of the lucky ones that doesn't have that many problems (doesn't mean i don't have any kind of problem with V), I know it can be the type of play someone may have. People playing focus on pvp might experience the game different then people that might be full crafters or explorers, each his own.
The statement thing is somewhat funny, I guess you have no idea how many lies are told everyday on a regular basis in the most common things in life, think you know the truth about Taxes, and there are so many things you need to take with a little bit of salt.
I can only give you some advice: Don't play statements, don't play hype, just plays a game or mmorpg, and don’t like it time to move on to the next game you might like.
Honestly i can't tell if yer agreeing with me or not, as for taking a developers word on anything... why shouldn't i ? Why should the norm be expect to be lied to ? Why should we as gamers not expect developers to live up to what they have promised?Just seems odd that as gamers we should just throw in the truth towel in favor of the well it happens all the time take it like a man towel.
Anyhow, i did make my choice and i did cancel, i originally came here and posted as sort of a broad appology to those who i flamed when open beta was upon us and i was a huge Vanboi. But since alot of you posters comment on threads you don't bother to even read i have had to post more explanations with more exacting details to better get my basic points across to the umm... thicker heads.
I agree with you so don't get me wrong m8, but the thing is i'm what some might call a SWG vet but pre-cu SWG, i know what SOE did back then therefor never have since then have put al my trust into what developrs or publishers say or not say, i noticed what happend with me at that time that makes some of the V haters look like little baby's (sort of speak no intent of insuilt), it scared me "a grown man" upset about what? a game? , i thought no more, i can not really be upset about a game now can i unless it would be a matter of live and death, sure i can be disappointed by how the game ended up but i'm just saying it's a game, i'm not saying no one can express how they feel about the game and i respect people when they are being honost like you where in you orginal post. To bad both you and me needed to explain eachother to eachother because we seem to be misunderstanding eachother.
To me, after the last couple patches, the game play is now great. I am still missing THE life in this huge world, but I see it improving with each patch (details like birds, snakes... added, mobs starting to run around for deliveries , guild castles and arenas poping at places, etc...), so it is definitely coming.
Of course the vision should have bean implemented before the release; you knew about the situation and started playing. The devs have now spend 6 weeks fixing bugs, and now you are complaining that the devs have not implemented the promised vision in 6 weeks. I mean,... come on...
I hope you'll find a nice game to play; come back to check it out in a few months if you feel like it.
The problem here BigMango is that it is NOT about you, it is about HIM.
He is basing his actions on his experiences not yours. Just as you dismiss his experiences as
bogus, he is dismissing yours for precisely the same reason.
In your opinion, performance and gameplay have significantly improved. Unfortunately, his experiences
lead him to conclude something different. Neither person is wrong. I find it amazing that anyone
believes that software problems don't exist unless they personally experience them. Perhaps
that is what happened during beta, the developers didn't see the problems so they decided they
didn't exist. The end result is that you get a game in the sorry state that VSOH was released in and
all the gimmicks in the world can't get your credibility back.
I am sure Dradiian wished he knew the state of the vision before he bought the box but he is making
amends for that mistake now. Come back in a few months ? What the hell for ? You only get one
chance to make a good first impression.
Dude, come down. There's no need to get that exited about anything here. You seem to be gone way off to mars, what happened to you ?
I didn't dismiss anything. Where did I say that "software problems don't exist" ? Sure some people are having problems, that doesn't mean every one MUST have problems. And what is this stuff about being about him and not about me ? Cool down mate.
He wrote about his experience, I told him about mine. He said he had a bad experience, I told him this game is not bad for every one. THIS MEANS, that there is some hope for him, maybe in the future.
Hmm... you are a strange fellow. Because someone is giving his opinion on this forum, we cannot give ours ? Why are you posting here then ?
Now about coming back in a few months: " What the hell for ? You only get one chance to make a good first impression.", go ask that to the thousands of EQ2 players who came back to the game after they fixed it.
I think its a reasonable suggestion. You see, my opinion is not the same as yours. I see you don't like that, do you ? You seem to be one of those guys that won't accept that anyone else can have a different opinion than yours. I'm so sorry for you mate, but you are not alone here.
Come down ? Down where ? Perhaps you mean calm down. Gone to Mars ? Not even worthy of a response.
Reread your own post. You specifically said "you see nothing gamebreaking". He does see the problems as
gamebreaking. Dismissal doesn't mean that the problems don't exist, it means they are not considered
important enough to be showstoppers. For him, they are important enough to cancel the game, period the end.
Perhaps I overreacted on the second paragraph, reading it again, I see I missed the words "To me".
I respect those opinions that at least acknowledge that other opinions are valid and do it without resorting to insults.
So if you mean like = respect, then the answer would be no, I do not like your opinion.
Save your pity for someone who cares.
Its because of trolls like you that these forums are such a trash. Hatred and flame wars all over.
The OP started a nice thread about his experience. I posted about mine. As I said, in my experience, on my machine, I don't see any gamebrakers. Does that mean the OP should not see any gamebreakers?
In the same way, if the OP sees gamebreakers, does this mean I should?
Learn to read and stop trolling around. For some reason I see you need to express a lot of frustration on these forums. One day you will grow up and learn to accept that others can have different opinions. There's no need for forum nazis pulling useless posts out of their back. What did you add to this thread ?
You are correct, but VG is still in beta. And for the game concept, time has come for these old dinos to lay to rest. The old school games still hang on, because they made success in times past, however launching a game of the past, in the time of innovations should be disastrous. I hope, for the industry's sake, that VG flops.
Oh right, MMOs are never normally released with balance issues, nor do their dev team ever make changes months/years after launch that create imbalances
I guess that must make Sigil some kind of mould-breakers, huh?
The problem is, if UPGRADED computers are having trouble with Vanguard now then how will they cope with games released in six months time if they push advancement just as hard they won't be able to...the computers would have to be upgraded again. Your point is moot.
I know people that got a 360 for just ONE game. Halo 3, and it's not even out yet.
Upgrading is an option, but required at the same time. If you want to continue playing PC games that utilize new software technology you have to upgrade. If you don't care that your system won't run games that well then you don't.
No one said you HAVE to upgrade. The point the guy was getting at was that bitcing about upgrading is by far the dumbest thing you can do when talking about PC gaming.
If you haven't figured out that PC gaming requires upgrading you're playing games on the wrong system.
At no point in PC gaming does the upgrading come all at once. There is ALWAYS ONE game that hits before all others that requires a beefier system to play. And there are always stooges running around screaming that the sky is falling because they shouldn't have to upgrade thier computer.
The 360 and PS3 didn't release with THOUSANDS of games as you put it. It releaed with just a handfull and the ability to play some of the older games. It's no dif. then upgrading your Gfx card, except that you don't have to spend as much, and can play every game you own still plus all the new ones that will come down the pipe.
MS and Sony don't stop making games for the previous gen console either. They continue to produce games for those consoles for a few months till people are ready to spend the money on the new system. PC upgrading works the same way.
Stop crying about upgrading for PC games. It's stupid.
FUNCOM - putting the FUN in disFUNctional !
No not really, Sigil brought nothing new to the table except diplomacy.
They did take all the things in past to extremes though, and they ended up with a meaningless world full of issues. But I know better than to bring that up against Brad, after all, it must all part of the Hardcore vision. I can already see the fans one year from now, battlehardened, scarred, burn marked, they have survived one year of VG, that is no care bear feat. I can already see them bragging about having livved the most hardcore experience of them all, an experience others were negligent to call "bugged", Bah!