The game has pretty much found it's place in life as a minor niche game. Too many better games coming out. It will fall into place in the Station Access lineup of second tier games along with The Matrix, SWG, and Planetside. It will settle out as a one or two server game with about 25K subscriptions maybe.
The game has pretty much found it's place in life as a minor niche game. Too many better games coming out. It will fall into place in the Station Access lineup of second tier games along with The Matrix, SWG, and Planetside. It will settle out as a one or two server game with about 25K subscriptions maybe.
I disagree, not saying you are wrong, but it is still way to early to say. If I had to make a guess I would say they will keep on the sunny side of 100k subscribers. If they had got the game ready a year ago I would say things would have been better for them. Because you are correct in that this year there seem to be a lot of good MMOs coming! Great for us...
Are you kidding me? Seriously can you honestly have just said " Nicely put you made alot of good points let's hope the companies of those games read these forums"
Are you actually Tnice? or are You just some Troll and use two accounts to make yourself look better? because everything that he just said is ******* retarded, want me to go through the list?
Make the game fun for regular people not just Geeks in a basement playing 20 hours/day.(ok lets see here, well I have a level 14 Dread Knight, and i only go on for a few hours a night go through a few dungeons, talk on Ventrillo, hang out, etc. and I seem to have leveled through it just fine, I also in the time I was getting to level 19: Went to a Ballgame, Slept with my girlfriend, Worked 4 days a week, Went to school, and watched new episodes of LOST on TV. Just to name the most important things not in that order.) Polish it. When it is polished, polish it some more.(Honestly, ask yourself, do you really think Brad and everyone else wanted to send the game out in its current condition? Do you really? Yea cause im sure when you spend 5 years of your life doing something and working hard on it everyday, you just decide to half ass it, towards the end like a ******* high school project and say" **** this **** **** im ******* done! ) Remove tedium.(See this really ticks me off, Tedium? are you serious, Everything in life has some sort of work involved buddy, everything, when i wake up and go to work, thats tedium, but then at the end of the night i get to go home, chill, hang with girlfriends and friends, and relax. Now take that concept and think VANGUARD, yea I have to work my ass off in vanguard to gain a few levels, ill admit that, its tedious, work, it can be dull sometimes but for the most part its fun stuff. The extra levels i gain allow me to go back to that guy "Hogar" that ganked me earlier on in the week, and kill him. I also get to equip new gear, travel to new and interesting places, get new skills to kill bigger better monsters, etc. What the fuck else are you ever going to do in a MMO when you level up? What do you want to be able to do? tell me cause i really want to know. Do not launch at the same time as Warhammer.(No comment here, seeing as anyone who looks at the front page can see that Warhammer is obviously not out.) Do not set expectation too high. Boats and grifs my arse. Maybe in 4 years of grinding.(You can buy a boat at any level nuff said and what the **** did you mean griffon? ) Learn from prior games. Do not bring back old concepts that were painful the first time. (Listen I understand everquest is old, but you know whats funny, if Brad had not been removed from the game development people would probably still be playing it. So in turn he created vanguard, Yea its EQ2, the real EQ2, maybe people just think its supposed to be WoW 2 and when they play it and its not like WoW they are dissapointed or some *** **** like that.) Be innovative. Do not just repackage the same game with new graphics. (The game has flying mounts anywhere in game, WoW does not have that, the only game that has real 3-d flying is Flyff, if you want Flyff go play it. The game aslo has boats, player housing, 16 races and 15 classes, Diplomacy, and a slew of other features.Just because the game lets you find these features on your own, does not mean it lacks inovation.) Allow people to play together whether or not they are level 10 or level 40 somehow. (There is no way to do this in a level based game, I wish too that VG was all skill based but sadly it is levels, and I accept that, you want a skill based game go check out SWg...wait nope cant do that, Thank WoW for that one too) Start small. Make it great and then release expansions. (How about instead they dont do that, seriously I cant even ******* comment on this huge puke of **** less ****, this makes me wanna puke ****)
-Jive
Do you work for Sigil? You sure sound like it. I don't care if Brad didn't want to release it now or some crap: as a customer I expect quality out of the box OK. It's just bullshit the game was released as it was. Secondly, the point is the game is not supposed to feel like work: its supposed to be fun - if doing unimaginative grinding all day is your idea of fun can't help you there. (You even admitted it feels tedious I guess you're payed for the box and the monthly fee and are in denial of its horridness, maybe, can't blame ya.) It's not the grinding itself; its how its presented and VG did a really bad job of it. Thirdly, WoW does have flying mounts you can purchase. Granted, it can only be used in Outlands but its there. 16 races do not hide the craptasticness of the game. The races don't feel unique to each other half of them are just humans with animal heads stuck on them with the exact same animations.
Hey guess what?! THERE HAS TO BE SOME TYPE OF WORK! seriously what do you people want? a game where everything just gets handed to you? where you just get to have fun all the time and never have to worry about death or corpse runs or anything. You know what thats called? thats called animal crossing online. Is that what you want? to run around in a safe nitch town all the time with no fear of anything but tom nook collecting taxes at the end of the month. Then fine go make it, go play it.
-jive
o yea and to the guy that said the thing about FFXI your an idiot because thats not the type of gameplay hes talking about. He talking about a game where you are not bound by your levels. Not that you can put on your gold helm and play with someone lower level and help then get exp while you gain nothing. I could do that anyways, it just wouldnt give the other player as much exp in a normal game witout the gold helm.
Sigh, the freakin' point is not that we want everything handed to us on a silver platter and ezi-mode where we don't suffer consequences for our actions... why does not wanting to suffer through unimaginative tedium automatically mean this to some people. I know there's a grind in every MMO its **how its presented** like I said maybe you should learn to read. VG does a shitty job of it and that's why so many people are annoyed. We were promised a game that was gonna be amazing, would blow every other MMO out of the water and be miles ahead of its competition but we were given...this: this piece of shoddy crap that's tries so hard to be an improved, bigger and better WoW clone with a longer, fun levelling grind but fails miserably. Many people wanted something more from VG; something innovative like it kept promising.
Are you kidding me? Seriously can you honestly have just said " Nicely put you made alot of good points let's hope the companies of those games read these forums"
Are you actually Tnice? or are You just some Troll and use two accounts to make yourself look better? because everything that he just said is ******* retarded, want me to go through the list?
Make the game fun for regular people not just Geeks in a basement playing 20 hours/day.(ok lets see here, well I have a level 14 Dread Knight, and i only go on for a few hours a night go through a few dungeons, talk on Ventrillo, hang out, etc. and I seem to have leveled through it just fine, I also in the time I was getting to level 19: Went to a Ballgame, Slept with my girlfriend, Worked 4 days a week, Went to school, and watched new episodes of LOST on TV. Just to name the most important things not in that order.) Polish it. When it is polished, polish it some more.(Honestly, ask yourself, do you really think Brad and everyone else wanted to send the game out in its current condition? Do you really? Yea cause im sure when you spend 5 years of your life doing something and working hard on it everyday, you just decide to half ass it, towards the end like a ******* high school project and say" **** this **** **** im ******* done! ) Remove tedium.(See this really ticks me off, Tedium? are you serious, Everything in life has some sort of work involved buddy, everything, when i wake up and go to work, thats tedium, but then at the end of the night i get to go home, chill, hang with girlfriends and friends, and relax. Now take that concept and think VANGUARD, yea I have to work my ass off in vanguard to gain a few levels, ill admit that, its tedious, work, it can be dull sometimes but for the most part its fun stuff. The extra levels i gain allow me to go back to that guy "Hogar" that ganked me earlier on in the week, and kill him. I also get to equip new gear, travel to new and interesting places, get new skills to kill bigger better monsters, etc. What the fuck else are you ever going to do in a MMO when you level up? What do you want to be able to do? tell me cause i really want to know. Do not launch at the same time as Warhammer.(No comment here, seeing as anyone who looks at the front page can see that Warhammer is obviously not out.) Do not set expectation too high. Boats and grifs my arse. Maybe in 4 years of grinding.(You can buy a boat at any level nuff said and what the **** did you mean griffon? ) Learn from prior games. Do not bring back old concepts that were painful the first time. (Listen I understand everquest is old, but you know whats funny, if Brad had not been removed from the game development people would probably still be playing it. So in turn he created vanguard, Yea its EQ2, the real EQ2, maybe people just think its supposed to be WoW 2 and when they play it and its not like WoW they are dissapointed or some *** **** like that.) Be innovative. Do not just repackage the same game with new graphics. (The game has flying mounts anywhere in game, WoW does not have that, the only game that has real 3-d flying is Flyff, if you want Flyff go play it. The game aslo has boats, player housing, 16 races and 15 classes, Diplomacy, and a slew of other features.Just because the game lets you find these features on your own, does not mean it lacks inovation.) Allow people to play together whether or not they are level 10 or level 40 somehow. (There is no way to do this in a level based game, I wish too that VG was all skill based but sadly it is levels, and I accept that, you want a skill based game go check out SWg...wait nope cant do that, Thank WoW for that one too) Start small. Make it great and then release expansions. (How about instead they dont do that, seriously I cant even ******* comment on this huge puke of **** less ****, this makes me wanna puke ****)
-Jive
Do you work for Sigil? You sure sound like it. I don't care if Brad didn't want to release it now or some crap: as a customer I expect quality out of the box OK. It's just bullshit the game was released as it was. Secondly, the point is the game is not supposed to feel like work: its supposed to be fun - if doing unimaginative grinding all day is your idea of fun can't help you there. (You even admitted it feels tedious I guess you're payed for the box and the monthly fee and are in denial of its horridness, maybe, can't blame ya.) It's not the grinding itself; its how its presented and VG did a really bad job of it. Thirdly, WoW does have flying mounts you can purchase. Granted, it can only be used in Outlands but its there. 16 races do not hide the craptasticness of the game. The races don't feel unique to each other half of them are just humans with animal heads stuck on them with the exact same animations.
Hey guess what?! THERE HAS TO BE SOME TYPE OF WORK! seriously what do you people want? a game where everything just gets handed to you? where you just get to have fun all the time and never have to worry about death or corpse runs or anything. You know what thats called? thats called animal crossing online. Is that what you want? to run around in a safe nitch town all the time with no fear of anything but tom nook collecting taxes at the end of the month. Then fine go make it, go play it.
-jive
o yea and to the guy that said the thing about FFXI your an idiot because thats not the type of gameplay hes talking about. He talking about a game where you are not bound by your levels. Not that you can put on your gold helm and play with someone lower level and help then get exp while you gain nothing. I could do that anyways, it just wouldnt give the other player as much exp in a normal game witout the gold helm.
Sigh, the freakin' point is not that we want everything handed to us on a silver platter and ezi-mode where we don't suffer consequences for our actions... why does not wanting to suffer through unimaginative tedium automatically mean this to some people. I know there's a grind in every MMO its **how its presented** like I said maybe you should learn to read. VG does a shitty job of it and that's why so many people are annoyed. We were promised a game that was gonna be amazing, would blow every other MMO out of the water and be miles ahead of its competition but we were given...this: this piece of shoddy crap that's tries so hard to be an improved, bigger and better WoW clone with a longer, fun levelling grind but fails miserably. Many people wanted something more from VG; something innovative like it kept promising.
I play VG and yes some of the game needs work. that said I want to work for what I get and bye work I mean I want a game where I know a player has had to grind and quest his butt off . I have a lvl 13 palidin lvl 9 blacksmith and a lvl 69 diplomate with 7 other lvl 6 to 10 toons and I play about 10 hrs a week so the game is fine and will only get better if u have never played the game i dont care about your opinion if you tryed it and its not for you thats diffrent I found that the game is not finished in some parts of the world and that can be a big pain but alll in all there are alot of things for players
The game has pretty much found it's place in life as a minor niche game. Too many better games coming out. It will fall into place in the Station Access lineup of second tier games along with The Matrix, SWG, and Planetside. It will settle out as a one or two server game with about 25K subscriptions maybe.
I hope you are wrong Jackdog. With the exception of EQ2, the SOE lineup of MMOs is like the island of misfit toys. Plus, if Vanguard does fail they will reinforce to the people who put up the venture capital for these games that they need to copy WoW. WoW is a good game don't get me wrong, but we really need a diversity and innovation in games.
Unfortunately, Sigil underestimated the market when they first started designing the game and it is apparent that they must have done major redesigns for the game to be in such condition. I just can not believe that they thought a redo of EQ1 with better skin would bring in 250k people. I think we now know what Microsoft knew many months ago. I bet someone over at Microsoft is going to get a raise for somehow getting rid of it.
Unless they do some major revamps and improvements, I agree that the population for this game will be around 25k or whatever the population of Planetside is currently. At least Planetside moved away from the typical fantasy setting.
I hope you are wrong Jackdog. With the exception of EQ2, the SOE lineup of MMOs is like the island of misfit toys. Plus, if Vanguard does fail they will reinforce to the people who put up the venture capital for these games that they need to copy WoW. WoW is a good game don't get me wrong, but we really need a diversity and innovation in games.
I don't think venture capitalist's think that WoW is the answer; I think most people can see that this is a clear-cut case of bad management. Vanguard had many grand ideas which were apparently either too difficult or unrealistic to implement. Based on what we've seen, my guess is that 2-3 years into the game's development, they want into panic mode and realized they had to replace or come up with alternatives for these broken systems (diplomacy, etc).
I think the "copying of WoW" was mostly just a last minute cop-out to cobble together their product.
I agree with the OP, VG is wysiwyg, and it will likely be so for the forseeable future.
I felt the same way, tired, like there was no actual joy in the game. Its hard to explain, but when I found myself finding excuses not to log in I figured it was better to just cancel. I'll check back in a few months, maybe by summer, maybe.
Are you kidding me? Seriously can you honestly have just said " Nicely put you made alot of good points let's hope the companies of those games read these forums"
Are you actually Tnice? or are You just some Troll and use two accounts to make yourself look better? because everything that he just said is ******* retarded, want me to go through the list?
Make the game fun for regular people not just Geeks in a basement playing 20 hours/day.(ok lets see here, well I have a level 14 Dread Knight, and i only go on for a few hours a night go through a few dungeons, talk on Ventrillo, hang out, etc. and I seem to have leveled through it just fine, I also in the time I was getting to level 19: Went to a Ballgame, Slept with my girlfriend, Worked 4 days a week, Went to school, and watched new episodes of LOST on TV. Just to name the most important things not in that order.) Polish it. When it is polished, polish it some more.(Honestly, ask yourself, do you really think Brad and everyone else wanted to send the game out in its current condition? Do you really? Yea cause im sure when you spend 5 years of your life doing something and working hard on it everyday, you just decide to half ass it, towards the end like a ******* high school project and say" **** this **** **** im ******* done! ) Remove tedium.(See this really ticks me off, Tedium? are you serious, Everything in life has some sort of work involved buddy, everything, when i wake up and go to work, thats tedium, but then at the end of the night i get to go home, chill, hang with girlfriends and friends, and relax. Now take that concept and think VANGUARD, yea I have to work my ass off in vanguard to gain a few levels, ill admit that, its tedious, work, it can be dull sometimes but for the most part its fun stuff. The extra levels i gain allow me to go back to that guy "Hogar" that ganked me earlier on in the week, and kill him. I also get to equip new gear, travel to new and interesting places, get new skills to kill bigger better monsters, etc. What the fuck else are you ever going to do in a MMO when you level up? What do you want to be able to do? tell me cause i really want to know. Do not launch at the same time as Warhammer.(No comment here, seeing as anyone who looks at the front page can see that Warhammer is obviously not out.) Do not set expectation too high. Boats and grifs my arse. Maybe in 4 years of grinding.(You can buy a boat at any level nuff said and what the **** did you mean griffon? ) Learn from prior games. Do not bring back old concepts that were painful the first time. (Listen I understand everquest is old, but you know whats funny, if Brad had not been removed from the game development people would probably still be playing it. So in turn he created vanguard, Yea its EQ2, the real EQ2, maybe people just think its supposed to be WoW 2 and when they play it and its not like WoW they are dissapointed or some *** **** like that.) Be innovative. Do not just repackage the same game with new graphics. (The game has flying mounts anywhere in game, WoW does not have that, the only game that has real 3-d flying is Flyff, if you want Flyff go play it. The game aslo has boats, player housing, 16 races and 15 classes, Diplomacy, and a slew of other features.Just because the game lets you find these features on your own, does not mean it lacks inovation.) Allow people to play together whether or not they are level 10 or level 40 somehow. (There is no way to do this in a level based game, I wish too that VG was all skill based but sadly it is levels, and I accept that, you want a skill based game go check out SWg...wait nope cant do that, Thank WoW for that one too) Start small. Make it great and then release expansions. (How about instead they dont do that, seriously I cant even ******* comment on this huge puke of **** less ****, this makes me wanna puke ****)
-Jive
1) I think 1 is inaccurate. No validity/purpose.
2) I agree. They shouldn't have re-vamped the game... what was it..... 3 times? This is their fault, and they should be accountable for it's pathetic performance.
3) Vanguard is the most tedious MMO I've ever played, in all honesty. A close second is Asheron's Call 2.
4) Not sure what he's talking about...Warhammer isn't out yet.
5) Boats don't work, flying mounts are meh. I agree with this; they bit off more than they could chew to try and impress people with flare, but fell far short of the bar.
6) I agree. This is 2007, let's get with the times.
7) This game has zero innovation. Boats are broken, Diplomacy was called "Magic the Gathering" a few years ago, flying mounts are present in other games, player housing is not a new feature by any means, 15 classes which have absolutely ZERO originality, the races are re-hashes of each other (multiple elf races, multiple human races, multiple barbarians, etc etc.) Don't give the game credit where it's not due.
8) You're actually wrong here jiveturkey. In FFXI, you could get this thing called a "Golden World Pass", which would give you and a friend a piece of equipment. You could activate it, and it would lower you to a certain level to play with your friend. In other words, let's say a 40 and a 10 wanted to play together; simply have the 40 activate his helmet, and he temporarily becomes level 10, and can exp with his friend.
9) I agree again. Overachieiving is always preferable to underachieving. Smaller, more complete games are much more preferred over large, empty, broken ones.
Crap, how does one edit the qoute?? ><
Anyway, just one thing: I played and enjoyed Magic the Gathering, but Diplomcay is WAY below that! Diplomacy is SO boring and primitive! Heck, even the Yugioh-cardgame was COMPLEX compared to it!
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
I hope you are wrong Jackdog. With the exception of EQ2, the SOE lineup of MMOs is like the island of misfit toys. Plus, if Vanguard does fail they will reinforce to the people who put up the venture capital for these games that they need to copy WoW. WoW is a good game don't get me wrong, but we really need a diversity and innovation in games.
I don't think venture capitalist's think that WoW is the answer; I think most people can see that this is a clear-cut case of bad management. Vanguard had many grand ideas which were apparently either too difficult or unrealistic to implement. Based on what we've seen, my guess is that 2-3 years into the game's development, they want into panic mode and realized they had to replace or come up with alternatives for these broken systems (diplomacy, etc).
I think the "copying of WoW" was mostly just a last minute cop-out to cobble together their product.
Well said, I agree
"This is not a game to be tossed aside lightly. It should be thrown with great force"
Sadly, you are correct Ekial. I am beginning to feel that time may be running out for Sigil as a top competing MMO. Six months from now, VSoH may very well be a minor player in this market. Too bad with all the money that went into producing and hyping this game.
All I want is the truth Just gimme some truth John Lennon
I'm having a pretty good time with the game so far. My only real qualms with the current build is that the characters are too lifeless. Like when you do emotes their faces do not change whatsoever, and even in combat you don't grimace or anything. Other than that I've been having fun (I am only lvl 11 right now so that could change), but thats just me. To each their own.
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I miss DAoC
Hey guess what?! THERE HAS TO BE SOME TYPE OF WORK! seriously what do you people want? a game where everything just gets handed to you? where you just get to have fun all the time and never have to worry about death or corpse runs or anything. You know what thats called? thats called animal crossing online. Is that what you want? to run around in a safe nitch town all the time with no fear of anything but tom nook collecting taxes at the end of the month. Then fine go make it, go play it.
-jive
o yea and to the guy that said the thing about FFXI your an idiot because thats not the type of gameplay hes talking about. He talking about a game where you are not bound by your levels. Not that you can put on your gold helm and play with someone lower level and help then get exp while you gain nothing. I could do that anyways, it just wouldnt give the other player as much exp in a normal game witout the gold helm.
Sigh, the freakin' point is not that we want everything handed to us on a silver platter and ezi-mode where we don't suffer consequences for our actions... why does not wanting to suffer through unimaginative tedium automatically mean this to some people. I know there's a grind in every MMO its **how its presented** like I said maybe you should learn to read. VG does a shitty job of it and that's why so many people are annoyed. We were promised a game that was gonna be amazing, would blow every other MMO out of the water and be miles ahead of its competition but we were given...this: this piece of shoddy crap that's tries so hard to be an improved, bigger and better WoW clone with a longer, fun levelling grind but fails miserably. Many people wanted something more from VG; something innovative like it kept promising.
Hey guess what?! THERE HAS TO BE SOME TYPE OF WORK! seriously what do you people want? a game where everything just gets handed to you? where you just get to have fun all the time and never have to worry about death or corpse runs or anything. You know what thats called? thats called animal crossing online. Is that what you want? to run around in a safe nitch town all the time with no fear of anything but tom nook collecting taxes at the end of the month. Then fine go make it, go play it.
-jive
o yea and to the guy that said the thing about FFXI your an idiot because thats not the type of gameplay hes talking about. He talking about a game where you are not bound by your levels. Not that you can put on your gold helm and play with someone lower level and help then get exp while you gain nothing. I could do that anyways, it just wouldnt give the other player as much exp in a normal game witout the gold helm.
Sigh, the freakin' point is not that we want everything handed to us on a silver platter and ezi-mode where we don't suffer consequences for our actions... why does not wanting to suffer through unimaginative tedium automatically mean this to some people. I know there's a grind in every MMO its **how its presented** like I said maybe you should learn to read. VG does a shitty job of it and that's why so many people are annoyed. We were promised a game that was gonna be amazing, would blow every other MMO out of the water and be miles ahead of its competition but we were given...this: this piece of shoddy crap that's tries so hard to be an improved, bigger and better WoW clone with a longer, fun levelling grind but fails miserably. Many people wanted something more from VG; something innovative like it kept promising.
I hope you are wrong Jackdog. With the exception of EQ2, the SOE lineup of MMOs is like the island of misfit toys. Plus, if Vanguard does fail they will reinforce to the people who put up the venture capital for these games that they need to copy WoW. WoW is a good game don't get me wrong, but we really need a diversity and innovation in games.
Unfortunately, Sigil underestimated the market when they first started designing the game and it is apparent that they must have done major redesigns for the game to be in such condition. I just can not believe that they thought a redo of EQ1 with better skin would bring in 250k people. I think we now know what Microsoft knew many months ago. I bet someone over at Microsoft is going to get a raise for somehow getting rid of it.
Unless they do some major revamps and improvements, I agree that the population for this game will be around 25k or whatever the population of Planetside is currently. At least Planetside moved away from the typical fantasy setting.
I think the "copying of WoW" was mostly just a last minute cop-out to cobble together their product.
I felt the same way, tired, like there was no actual joy in the game. Its hard to explain, but when I found myself finding excuses not to log in I figured it was better to just cancel. I'll check back in a few months, maybe by summer, maybe.
-Gooney
2) I agree. They shouldn't have re-vamped the game... what was it..... 3 times? This is their fault, and they should be accountable for it's pathetic performance.
3) Vanguard is the most tedious MMO I've ever played, in all honesty. A close second is Asheron's Call 2.
4) Not sure what he's talking about...Warhammer isn't out yet.
5) Boats don't work, flying mounts are meh. I agree with this; they bit off more than they could chew to try and impress people with flare, but fell far short of the bar.
6) I agree. This is 2007, let's get with the times.
7) This game has zero innovation. Boats are broken, Diplomacy was called "Magic the Gathering" a few years ago, flying mounts are present in other games, player housing is not a new feature by any means, 15 classes which have absolutely ZERO originality, the races are re-hashes of each other (multiple elf races, multiple human races, multiple barbarians, etc etc.) Don't give the game credit where it's not due.
8) You're actually wrong here jiveturkey. In FFXI, you could get this thing called a "Golden World Pass", which would give you and a friend a piece of equipment. You could activate it, and it would lower you to a certain level to play with your friend. In other words, let's say a 40 and a 10 wanted to play together; simply have the 40 activate his helmet, and he temporarily becomes level 10, and can exp with his friend.
9) I agree again. Overachieiving is always preferable to underachieving. Smaller, more complete games are much more preferred over large, empty, broken ones.
Crap, how does one edit the qoute?? ><
Anyway, just one thing: I played and enjoyed Magic the Gathering, but Diplomcay is WAY below that! Diplomacy is SO boring and primitive! Heck, even the Yugioh-cardgame was COMPLEX compared to it!
People don't ask questions to get answers - they ask questions to show how smart they are. - Dogbert
I think the "copying of WoW" was mostly just a last minute cop-out to cobble together their product.
Well said, I agree
"This is not a game to be tossed aside lightly.
It should be thrown with great force"
All I want is the truth
Just gimme some truth
John Lennon