I'm sorry I think I'm missing something.... Your friend went out drinking and you talked to her because you think drinking is wrong; ok. 1. How old is your friend? 2. Is he addicted or is he like 94% of the population who just like to go get buzzed? 3. What's wrong with drinking?
The problem is much deeper than alcohol consumption...I have had many friends who drink too much, I don't think a teenager drinking alcohol is worthy of making a thread over...the point of the post was for people to share stories about their friends, times when they have had major changes made to a friendship due to something unfortunate, fortunate, or something in between...not so that we can all discuss the Christian belief that being drunk is a sin.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
4: I do not presume to have the power to "make her get over it" But I do have the power to help her in any way that I can, which is what I intend to do. You know that crap about good friends laughing and then tripping you again when you fall? That stuff is crap...Good friends are the ones who will provide their own strength to lift up others in their time of need. That is what I am here for, that is what I will do.
Just don't get crushed. No shame in looking out for yourself.
Believe me, I of all people know to guard my heart...I have a enough experience with heart-ache to last a lifetime...I don't intend to repeat those same mistakes.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
4: I do not presume to have the power to "make her get over it" But I do have the power to help her in any way that I can, which is what I intend to do. You know that crap about good friends laughing and then tripping you again when you fall? That stuff is crap...Good friends are the ones who will provide their own strength to lift up others in their time of need. That is what I am here for, that is what I will do.
Just don't get crushed. No shame in looking out for yourself.
Believe me, I of all people know to guard my heart...I have a enough experience with heart-ache to last a lifetime...I don't intend to repeat those same mistakes.
Ok, but I also mean literally crushed. If you join in someone's problems then you join that persons' world, which usually isn't healthy. You wouldn't be the first one to "join the club".
The Bible is very clear on alcohol consumption. Being drunk is a sin. Paul (as well as the other apostles) make it very clear that being DRUNK is a sin, not drinking alcohol (that also implies the one drinking is of legal age and it doesn't cause others to sin). Paul told
Timothy to drink wine for this constant stomach aches, so its not a sin to drink - its a sin to become *drunk*.
Where does "legal age" come in the Bible?
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The Bible is very clear on alcohol consumption. Being drunk is a sin. Paul (as well as the other apostles) make it very clear that being DRUNK is a sin, not drinking alcohol (that also implies the one drinking is of legal age and it doesn't cause others to sin). Paul told
Timothy to drink wine for this constant stomach aches, so its not a sin to drink - its a sin to become *drunk*.
Where does "legal age" come in the Bible?
If you mean legal age as far as to just drink alcohol but not get drunk...there isn't one...times have changed sooo much that it's impossible to tell a Christian what age they are allowed to have a glass of wine. A good bet though is to just follow the laws of your land...meaning legal drinking age. At the same time though, I don't think it's sinful for someone of a reasonable age or with parental concent to drink a glass of wine or a beer or something....but it's very clear about getting drunk at any age...you shouldn't do it.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
If you mean legal age as far as to just drink alcohol but not get drunk...there isn't one...times have changed sooo much that it's impossible to tell a Christian what age they are allowed to have a glass of wine. A good bet though is to just follow the laws of your land...meaning legal drinking age. At the same time though, I don't think it's sinful for someone of a reasonable age or with parental concent to drink a glass of wine or a beer or something....but it's very clear about getting drunk at any age...you shouldn't do it.
I hear ya. I don't plan on getting drunk ever. I've seen some people get drunk and it's not pretty (unless it involves hot girls...j/k!), or healthy.
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If you're in the US, don't drink unless you're 21 years of age.
There's also such a thing as the letter of the law vs. the spirit of the law. I for one believe that the spirit of the law is more important.
I myself have never been drunk, I'm 19 and am not really a big fan of alcohol. Every now and then I'll drink a beer or something when I'm in the mood, but other than that, it's not something that I really take part in
edit: No, that's not an inconsistancy on my part...being legalistic is a bad thing, even Jesus would have told you that.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
If you're in the US, don't drink unless you're 21 years of age.
There's also such a thing as the letter of the law vs. the spirit of the law. I for one believe that the spirit of the law is more important.
I myself have never been drunk, I'm 19 and am not really a big fan of alcohol. Every now and then I'll drink a beer or something when I'm in the mood, but other than that, it's not something that I really take part in
edit: No, that's not an inconsistancy on my part...being legalistic is a bad thing, even Jesus would have told you that.
You may have missed my point. Its a sin to drink any form of alcohol under the age of 21 in the states (unless parents consent or something?) If you're age 21 or over, its not a sin to drink alcohol. However, it isn't wisdom to. I can explain that if you want me to.
"Letter of the law VS spirit of the law".
If you're referring to the Scripture I quoted, they are the one in the same. Paul was writing in the Spirit, therefore, all he ways was credible and was bearing witness to the Spirit (all accounts must be accounted for by two or three witnesses..).
Romans 13 says to obey the law of the land.
Okay, don't drink in the US unless you're 21 years old or older. Even then, I highly suggest not touching beer, but wine is better.
Take note, a seventeen year old is writing this - I don't know everything
I think that you have to take something like alcohol into context when it comes to scripture though. Alcohol was, at that time, something consumed by nearly everyone. Also, the laws of your parents and your faith supercede the laws of your country when it comes to matters of individual belief. Things like alcohol use are set at 21 years of age due to a federal mandate that gave the states money to set a drinking age for all states, not some legitimate reason for having 21 be the legal drinking age. I think it's a lot of context to keep for one law. I think it's right and good to obey the laws of your land, but stupid to be legalistic about it, when I say spirit of the law, I don't mean the Godly nature of the law, I mean that someone should examine the reason behind the law, rather than being a sheep who obeys mindlessly, there is no righteous reason for the drinking age to be 21, therefore it's a law without spirit.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
I think that you have to take something like alcohol into context when it comes to scripture though.
I agree.
Alcohol was, at that time, something consumed by nearly everyone.
In a general sense like Coke today, I agree.
Also, the laws of your parents and your faith supercede the laws of your country when it comes to matters of individual belief.
I disagree. I don't know if you're a Christian, but if you are, where does that come up anywhere in Scripture? If you're not, then thats your belief. My belief is purely on Scripture, not on 'well, I *think* this is right'.
Things like alcohol use are set at 21 years of age due to a federal mandate that gave the states money to set a drinking age for all states, not some legitimate reason for having 21 be the legal drinking age.
Okay.
I think it's a lot of context to keep for one law. I think it's right and good to obey the laws of your land, but stupid to be legalistic about it.
It is right to obey the law of the land. I'd rather err on the side of being legalistic than not at all. With that said, I think there is wisdom to being legalistic to a degree when it comes to laws.
When I say spirit of the law, I don't mean the Godly nature of the law, I mean that someone should examine the reason behind the law...
Right. I agree.
rather than being a sheep who obeys mindlessly,
I agree. But I see no mindless sheep here.
there is no righteous reason for the drinking age to be 21, therefore it's a law without spirit.
I completely agree! But I never said there was a righteous reason for the law to be set at age 21. The government
has its reasons why the age is set like that, and we as the people must follow. Its that easy, no?
This is ALL what I am saying, obey the law, and you'll be okay.
MarleVVLL, I think you're granting the government too much power over you and your faith in your post. The supreme law of the land of the United States of America is the Constitution. We The People wrote the Constitution. The government has to abide by the Constitution. We don't need to abide by laws just because the government "had it's reasons", that's just asking for dictatorship and any smart historian will tell you that. We have every right to overthrow the government.
______________________________ "When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!" -cheer leading, flag waving American
I'm sorry I think I'm missing something.... Your friend went out drinking and you talked to her because you think drinking is wrong; ok. 1. How old is your friend? 2. Is he addicted or is he like 94% of the population who just like to go get buzzed? 3. What's wrong with drinking?
The problem is much deeper than alcohol consumption...I have had many friends who drink too much, I don't think a teenager drinking alcohol is worthy of making a thread over...the point of the post was for people to share stories about their friends, times when they have had major changes made to a friendship due to something unfortunate, fortunate, or something in between...not so that we can all discuss the Christian belief that being drunk is a sin.
Draenor, i have tried very hard to help you, sure, i made an earlier assumption that your friend wasnt christian, that was the only thing i was basing it on, not you personally, but from the persepctive of a non-christian, i have admitted, 3 times now, to being wrong about that assumption, i dont know what else to do.
I have tried very hard to give you my advice of what happened to me at the exact same age as you, without going into the highly personal details. Looks like i have to though, because you arnt getting the message im saying, and im a hell of a lot more worried about you, than your friend i have never met.
Any way, here it is, the story Nasica hasnt told 10years.
I was not the most confident of people when i was younger, quite the oposite. I was a nervous wreck, with not much self esteem at all. One of the happiest moments of my life occured in a high school computer lab. I was helping this girl with some work on the computers, i needed a bit of paper to show her something, i asked her to get one out of her folder, she opened the folder and there was in beutifal penmanship AA for BB. "Wow could that be the same BB as me"? Of course i never believed it, but i allowed myself the chance to believe, and two days later i had my first girlfriend and my first kiss. I was then untouchable.
I new my girlfriend had soe serious problems. She was adopted out, never new her real family, had strange and irrational fears and could be quite snappy when pushed. I didnt mind though, i was strong now, i could fix anything, surely.
Our relationship lasted about 4 months, then she ran away from home. To my best friends place.
The next day at school was the 2nd hardest school day of my life, my best friend confronted me and told me he had slept with my girlfriend. I tried, i really did, to keep both my girlfriend and my best mate. But today i no longer speak to that best mate, the rest of 'AA's" story is below.
Things went downhill very quickly for her after this point. She started sleeping with anybody, then she started group sex, and orgys, then she startede smoking small time drugs.
I still kept in contact, Knowing that the strength i had gotten would be enough to at least attempt it.
Remember my best friend that cheated with her ? well one of his good friends ended up dating her soon after this. She seemed really happy with him, i was really happy that she was really happy. Everything was going great. I had helped, i had to have, just with my support.
The worst day of school in my life.....I turned up at school, in my normal jovial mood, doing my 100m customary skid down the back hill on my mountain bike. When i noticed everone of my group of friends just sitting. I went down and said "Look at this morbid lot". My best friend at that stage, sat me down and told me that "AA's" body had been found in her boyfriends caravan, dead.
That was my first funeral, a very hard thing for me to go through.
After the funeral, we since discovered that she had died of a heroin overdose, or more importantly a hot shot, and her body had been kept in a suitcase under his bed for nearly half a week. He was charged and convicted of murder, not before another one of my friends invited him to my party out of sympathy for him. And is currently serving in a mental ward.
Me, im not serving in a mental ward. But it has taken literally years to get over the fact that the person i was trying to help was beyond help, and my advice to them was only taken as a joke. I was the only one taking my advice seriously. I was the only one who was truely affected by her action, and all that was my own fault.
Having not understood the entirety of this particular sceleton, i can only hope that you dont make the same mistakes i did. I can only hope by revisiting these memories i dont even think about, and posting them on this public forum i can help you, help yourself.
Draenor, i hope this shows you, too, that i was only trying to help in all posts on this thread, and was not questioning christianity at all. Christianity was one of the things that got me through this time. You see i was also a a christian in highschool, a church going, friend of the pastor, event orginising, concert going, bible reading, preaching, god graffiting Christian. So i do understand both sides of the equation.
MODS - i have read the RoC, these persons names have not been mentioned, and i can guarentee a conviction was publicly recorded of her murder. I dont beleive i have violated the RoC, but if i have, i sincerely ask that you just remove the offending sections, and not the whole section entirely. This was a very hard thing for me to do, and i really hope someone can get even the tiniest sliver of help from it.
That was pretty powerful...Thank you for sharing that. Luckily, my friends problems aren't having to do with illegal substance abuse. I feel for you Nasica, I really do. I have family members who have been and still are struggling with addictions to drugs, it's a terrible thing...my own mother was a drug addict prior to meeting my dad...It's not an easy thing to deal with, and some of the things that people do while they are in that lifestyle can't be forgotten, and they follow that person around for the rest of their life...my own mom experiences this, despite her unwavering love for Christ and God, she still can't forget some of the things that she has done. And the same will go with my friend...it's something that doesn't just go away.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
MarleVVLL, I think you're granting the government too much power over you and your faith in your post. The supreme law of the land of the United States of America is the Constitution. We The People wrote the Constitution. The government has to abide by the Constitution. We don't need to abide by laws just because the government "had it's reasons", that's just asking for dictatorship and any smart historian will tell you that. We have every right to overthrow the government.
I'm not.
I'm obeying Scripture. If Scripture tells me to do X, Y and Z, then I'm going to do them.
There is a higher law than man's, and that is what I choose to follow.
And most friends aren't looking for someone to straighten them out, they are looking for support. If you attempt to straighten them out instead of support them, all you do is lose a friend. Chances are, if they are off the deep end you might lose one anyway, but at least if you don't alienate them. they have a chance of recovery and coming back to you.
I myself have a cut off point. If you get too violent or too untrustworthy, I won't hang out with you until you sort it out. The most helpful message I can send to you, is that your behaviour isn't acceptable in the society you want to move in. Sort it out or be excluded.
As for earth shattering revelations? Like what?
I shagged you dad last night?
I sell heroin?
I am a murderer?
I've had an abortion?
I'm a full op transvestite!
I like to take stuff on board. Once I know what someone is capable of I stay prepared for that eventuality.
If I am hanging out with the cocaine twitchers, I am aware that at somepoint I may say thge wrong thing and trigger a beating for myself. As long as you know this before you get involved, it's just a matter of choice.
We're still friends, but I take steps, physically and emotionally to protect myself from any looniness that might upset me.
Originally posted by MarleVVLL I'm not.I'm obeying Scripture. If Scripture tells me to do X, Y and Z, then I'm going to do them.There is a higher law than man's, and that is what I choose to follow.
I'm not trying to flame you or anything, however, there's a chicken and egg situation here.
First, you said:
Originally posted by MarleVVLL Romans 13 says to obey the law of the land.Okay, don't drink in the US unless you're 21 years old or older. Even then, I highly suggest not touching beer, but wine is better.
Now you just said:
Originally posted by MarleVVLL There is a higher law than man's, and that is what I choose to follow.
Do you see the problem here? The "higher law" you are referring to, according to your previous post, is telling you to follow the "lower law". That just, sort of, kind of, well... doesn't make any sense to me?
There is a higher law than man's, and that is what I choose to follow.
Do you see the problem here? The "higher law" you are referring to, according to your previous post, is telling you to follow the "lower law". That just, sort of, kind of, well... doesn't make any sense to me?
That's exaclty what i'm confused with as well. I was so confused I wasn't sure if it was me who couldn't figure it out or him not making it clear lol.
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I'm not. I'm obeying Scripture. If Scripture tells me to do X, Y and Z, then I'm going to do them. There is a higher law than man's, and that is what I choose to follow.
I'm not trying to flame you or anything, however, there's a chicken and egg situation here.
First, you said:
Originally posted by MarleVVLL
Romans 13 says to obey the law of the land.
Okay, don't drink in the US unless you're 21 years old or older. Even then, I highly suggest not touching beer, but wine is better.
Now you just said:
Originally posted by MarleVVLL
There is a higher law than man's, and that is what I choose to follow.
Do you see the problem here? The "higher law" you are referring to, according to your previous post, is telling you to follow the "lower law". That just, sort of, kind of, well... doesn't make any sense to me?
Oh goodness.
I may have confused people, sorry!
This really should be in this thread, so sorry to the guy who has been having problems with life!
Romans 13 says to obey the law.
The letter of Romans is the Word of God, therefore, part of the law (not the Mosaic or Levitical Law..)
(in terms of following the law) My first priority is to follow God's law (the Word of God, IE: Scripture).
My second is to obey the law of the land.
If a law came out that went against the Word of God, I would not follow it.
But if a law came out that followed the Word, I would.
Make anymore sense?
They are very linked ideas.
If anyone wants to continue the conversation, PM me.
I don't want to make this thread two different threads
dude its drinking - get over it. Even your savior jesus turned water to wine.Maybe if you weren't a Christian you wouldn't have had such a problem with him drinking. However if this is the most intense day of your life has to be talking about drinking , then u are very shielded and never form your own opinions or talk about advanced theories.
However i don't drink just because i never find the need to. Plus marijuana is a lot healthier for you.
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Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
Believe me, I of all people know to guard my heart...I have a enough experience with heart-ache to last a lifetime...I don't intend to repeat those same mistakes.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
Believe me, I of all people know to guard my heart...I have a enough experience with heart-ache to last a lifetime...I don't intend to repeat those same mistakes.
Ok, but I also mean literally crushed. If you join in someone's problems then you join that persons' world, which usually isn't healthy. You wouldn't be the first one to "join the club".
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"When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!"
-cheer leading, flag waving American
If you mean legal age as far as to just drink alcohol but not get drunk...there isn't one...times have changed sooo much that it's impossible to tell a Christian what age they are allowed to have a glass of wine. A good bet though is to just follow the laws of your land...meaning legal drinking age. At the same time though, I don't think it's sinful for someone of a reasonable age or with parental concent to drink a glass of wine or a beer or something....but it's very clear about getting drunk at any age...you shouldn't do it.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
______________________________
"When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!"
-cheer leading, flag waving American
If you're in the US, don't drink unless you're 21 years of age.
MMO migrant.
If you're in the US, don't drink unless you're 21 years of age.
There's also such a thing as the letter of the law vs. the spirit of the law. I for one believe that the spirit of the law is more important.
I myself have never been drunk, I'm 19 and am not really a big fan of alcohol. Every now and then I'll drink a beer or something when I'm in the mood, but other than that, it's not something that I really take part in
edit: No, that's not an inconsistancy on my part...being legalistic is a bad thing, even Jesus would have told you that.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
If you're in the US, don't drink unless you're 21 years of age.
There's also such a thing as the letter of the law vs. the spirit of the law. I for one believe that the spirit of the law is more important.
I myself have never been drunk, I'm 19 and am not really a big fan of alcohol. Every now and then I'll drink a beer or something when I'm in the mood, but other than that, it's not something that I really take part in
edit: No, that's not an inconsistancy on my part...being legalistic is a bad thing, even Jesus would have told you that.
You may have missed my point. Its a sin to drink any form of alcohol under the age of 21 in the states (unless parents consent or something?) If you're age 21 or over, its not a sin to drink alcohol. However, it isn't wisdom to. I can explain that if you want me to."Letter of the law VS spirit of the law".
If you're referring to the Scripture I quoted, they are the one in the same. Paul was writing in the Spirit, therefore, all he ways was credible and was bearing witness to the Spirit (all accounts must be accounted for by two or three witnesses..).
Romans 13 says to obey the law of the land.
Okay, don't drink in the US unless you're 21 years old or older. Even then, I highly suggest not touching beer, but wine is better.
Take note, a seventeen year old is writing this - I don't know everything
MMO migrant.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
MMO migrant.
______________________________
"When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!"
-cheer leading, flag waving American
Draenor, i have tried very hard to help you, sure, i made an earlier assumption that your friend wasnt christian, that was the only thing i was basing it on, not you personally, but from the persepctive of a non-christian, i have admitted, 3 times now, to being wrong about that assumption, i dont know what else to do.
I have tried very hard to give you my advice of what happened to me at the exact same age as you, without going into the highly personal details. Looks like i have to though, because you arnt getting the message im saying, and im a hell of a lot more worried about you, than your friend i have never met.
Any way, here it is, the story Nasica hasnt told 10years.
I was not the most confident of people when i was younger, quite the oposite. I was a nervous wreck, with not much self esteem at all. One of the happiest moments of my life occured in a high school computer lab. I was helping this girl with some work on the computers, i needed a bit of paper to show her something, i asked her to get one out of her folder, she opened the folder and there was in beutifal penmanship AA for BB. "Wow could that be the same BB as me"? Of course i never believed it, but i allowed myself the chance to believe, and two days later i had my first girlfriend and my first kiss. I was then untouchable.
I new my girlfriend had soe serious problems. She was adopted out, never new her real family, had strange and irrational fears and could be quite snappy when pushed. I didnt mind though, i was strong now, i could fix anything, surely.
Our relationship lasted about 4 months, then she ran away from home. To my best friends place.
The next day at school was the 2nd hardest school day of my life, my best friend confronted me and told me he had slept with my girlfriend. I tried, i really did, to keep both my girlfriend and my best mate. But today i no longer speak to that best mate, the rest of 'AA's" story is below.
Things went downhill very quickly for her after this point. She started sleeping with anybody, then she started group sex, and orgys, then she startede smoking small time drugs.
I still kept in contact, Knowing that the strength i had gotten would be enough to at least attempt it.
Remember my best friend that cheated with her ? well one of his good friends ended up dating her soon after this. She seemed really happy with him, i was really happy that she was really happy. Everything was going great. I had helped, i had to have, just with my support.
The worst day of school in my life.....I turned up at school, in my normal jovial mood, doing my 100m customary skid down the back hill on my mountain bike. When i noticed everone of my group of friends just sitting. I went down and said "Look at this morbid lot". My best friend at that stage, sat me down and told me that "AA's" body had been found in her boyfriends caravan, dead.
That was my first funeral, a very hard thing for me to go through.
After the funeral, we since discovered that she had died of a heroin overdose, or more importantly a hot shot, and her body had been kept in a suitcase under his bed for nearly half a week. He was charged and convicted of murder, not before another one of my friends invited him to my party out of sympathy for him. And is currently serving in a mental ward.
Me, im not serving in a mental ward. But it has taken literally years to get over the fact that the person i was trying to help was beyond help, and my advice to them was only taken as a joke. I was the only one taking my advice seriously. I was the only one who was truely affected by her action, and all that was my own fault.
Having not understood the entirety of this particular sceleton, i can only hope that you dont make the same mistakes i did. I can only hope by revisiting these memories i dont even think about, and posting them on this public forum i can help you, help yourself.
Draenor, i hope this shows you, too, that i was only trying to help in all posts on this thread, and was not questioning christianity at all. Christianity was one of the things that got me through this time. You see i was also a a christian in highschool, a church going, friend of the pastor, event orginising, concert going, bible reading, preaching, god graffiting Christian. So i do understand both sides of the equation.
MODS - i have read the RoC, these persons names have not been mentioned, and i can guarentee a conviction was publicly recorded of her murder. I dont beleive i have violated the RoC, but if i have, i sincerely ask that you just remove the offending sections, and not the whole section entirely. This was a very hard thing for me to do, and i really hope someone can get even the tiniest sliver of help from it.
That was pretty powerful...Thank you for sharing that. Luckily, my friends problems aren't having to do with illegal substance abuse. I feel for you Nasica, I really do. I have family members who have been and still are struggling with addictions to drugs, it's a terrible thing...my own mother was a drug addict prior to meeting my dad...It's not an easy thing to deal with, and some of the things that people do while they are in that lifestyle can't be forgotten, and they follow that person around for the rest of their life...my own mom experiences this, despite her unwavering love for Christ and God, she still can't forget some of the things that she has done. And the same will go with my friend...it's something that doesn't just go away.Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
I'm obeying Scripture. If Scripture tells me to do X, Y and Z, then I'm going to do them.
There is a higher law than man's, and that is what I choose to follow.
MMO migrant.
I've had loads of problematic friends.
Drink, drugs crime. Whatever.
Not everything in life is something you can fix.
And most friends aren't looking for someone to straighten them out, they are looking for support. If you attempt to straighten them out instead of support them, all you do is lose a friend. Chances are, if they are off the deep end you might lose one anyway, but at least if you don't alienate them. they have a chance of recovery and coming back to you.
I myself have a cut off point. If you get too violent or too untrustworthy, I won't hang out with you until you sort it out. The most helpful message I can send to you, is that your behaviour isn't acceptable in the society you want to move in. Sort it out or be excluded.
As for earth shattering revelations? Like what?
I shagged you dad last night?
I sell heroin?
I am a murderer?
I've had an abortion?
I'm a full op transvestite!
I like to take stuff on board. Once I know what someone is capable of I stay prepared for that eventuality.
If I am hanging out with the cocaine twitchers, I am aware that at somepoint I may say thge wrong thing and trigger a beating for myself. As long as you know this before you get involved, it's just a matter of choice.
We're still friends, but I take steps, physically and emotionally to protect myself from any looniness that might upset me.
Getting drunk is cool. Fun. People should.
I'm not trying to flame you or anything, however, there's a chicken and egg situation here.
First, you said:
Now you just said:
Do you see the problem here? The "higher law" you are referring to, according to your previous post, is telling you to follow the "lower law". That just, sort of, kind of, well... doesn't make any sense to me?
Do you see the problem here? The "higher law" you are referring to, according to your previous post, is telling you to follow the "lower law". That just, sort of, kind of, well... doesn't make any sense to me?
That's exaclty what i'm confused with as well. I was so confused I wasn't sure if it was me who couldn't figure it out or him not making it clear lol.
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I'm not trying to flame you or anything, however, there's a chicken and egg situation here.
First, you said:
Now you just said:
Do you see the problem here? The "higher law" you are referring to, according to your previous post, is telling you to follow the "lower law". That just, sort of, kind of, well... doesn't make any sense to me?
Oh goodness.I may have confused people, sorry!
This really should be in this thread, so sorry to the guy who has been having problems with life!
Romans 13 says to obey the law.
The letter of Romans is the Word of God, therefore, part of the law (not the Mosaic or Levitical Law..)
(in terms of following the law) My first priority is to follow God's law (the Word of God, IE: Scripture).
My second is to obey the law of the land.
If a law came out that went against the Word of God, I would not follow it.
But if a law came out that followed the Word, I would.
Make anymore sense?
They are very linked ideas.
If anyone wants to continue the conversation, PM me.
I don't want to make this thread two different threads
MMO migrant.
Your argument is like a two legged dog with an eating disorder...weak and unbalanced.
However i don't drink just because i never find the need to. Plus marijuana is a lot healthier for you.
Legalize it!!!