So if they did a ENTIRE wipe of all the servers.........?

iskareot

So if they did a entire wipe of all the servers and made oh say 3 new ones with a fresh NGE on them how do you think the product would do?

Meaning.... no elder stuff to hold onto..

No old items to make you feel you need to maintain them....

Pretty much making the product stand on it's own....

 (oh and obviuosly the current playerbase while small might not like it they did it anyway and said "Move on" or somthing along those lines)..

fcwedd

This may sound silly, but thats the only reason I don't jump back into SWG. I hate the fact that I will never be able to obtain pre-order flash speeders, elder titles, and elder crystals etc... I just feel like I'm cheated out of part of the game. Ahh well, I'm over it

CastleGoob

You mean completely invalidate what the Current player base has earned. Hmm lets see...I wander what happend the last time they did something along those lines.

I would not put it past em tho.

SWGLover

Splendid idea,  this action with  50% more simplification of the game would bring in droves of new players!

 

If any SWG Dev's are reading this, get cracking! 

metatronic

I don't think the game would fold fast nor would it last 2 more years lol.. But it might piss off the remaining leet kiddies lol.. I would endorse a game wide wipe just to watch them lose something like we all did with nge/cu.



But if they did do a wipe, the best thing they could do is after the wipe, make like 8 servers maybe 12..



The current system is just garbage. No other words can describe it. I tried it again last night for the first time in well over a year.. Just God-awful brutal. Dead and barren, yet still laggy cause all the player structures. They really need to just make a new game for star wars.



I would even settle on a port over to the eq2 engine which uses more instances for housing but has a lot less lag in open areas once you zone in and looks 100x better imo.

metatronic

Also with the recent wipe of TC. I wonder if they are watching numbers closely to see how many start fresh on a new server.. If they get lots of players using TC, maybe they will start wiping servers. Like wipe out 2 and make 1 or wipe out 12 and make 6 etc.. They really need to rid the game of player structures though and only allow 1 house per toon, 1 harvester that can mine multiple resources so it seems like you still have 8 lots being used with different harvesters but really only 1, and that would cut 80% of the structures right there.



I would seriously wipe all of them and make 8 new servers.. I mean we lost so much already whats the big deal? Some kids lose their GCW ranks and some garbage loot lol.. I wouldn't allow any character transfers.. just make new servers and have double xp or something.. Might even fix the economy up a bit..

Umbrood

Fairly sure many old SWG players would enjoy the idea of a progression server though.

Those familiar with it from EQ know what I mean.

In essence you start from scratch, no expansions or nothing, old ruleset and you unlock the expansions and whatnot while you play.

SWGLover

Well, at least all the farmed gold would be gone with a wipe, that'd make for a good chuckle on all the dopes that spent real world money on it.

 

And the NGE is actually getting crowded - lag is again a factor. They need to add more servers, not combine them - that would be a disaster.

 

 

flakes

Originally posted by SWGLover


Well, at least all the farmed gold would be gone with a wipe, that'd make for a good chuckle on all the dopes that spent real world money on it.
 
And the NGE is actually getting crowded - lag is again a factor. They need to add more servers, not combine them - that would be a disaster.
 
 

 

No they need to put up GOOD servers.The lag you get with the number of players on the server really is to sick for words.The one thing that allways be inmy thoughts when i leave SWG is the lag lag and the lag.I never ever played an mmorpg with this kind of lag over such a low population.Instead of a shitload of servers that all are too weak to mention try and get 3 servers wich are of a decent standard.

SWGLover

Low population?

Not according to many!

Shayde

Originally posted by fcwedd

This may sound silly, but thats the only reason I don't jump back into SWG. I hate the fact that I will never be able to obtain pre-order flash speeders, elder titles, and elder crystals etc... I just feel like I'm cheated out of part of the game. Ahh well, I'm over it

Now just imagine having all that worthless crap and no good game to play with them on.

flakes

Originally posted by SWGLover


Low population?
Not according to many!

 

 

I am neither a pre-nge lover nor a pre-nge hater.So what i say may come over confusing on these boards......But to say the population is not low is just a lie.To say the population is not getting better every day also is a lie.

farore

Originally posted by metatronic

Also with the recent wipe of TC. I wonder if they are watching numbers closely to see how many start fresh on a new server.. If they get lots of players using TC, maybe they will start wiping servers. Like wipe out 2 and make 1 or wipe out 12 and make 6 etc.. They really need to rid the game of player structures though and only allow 1 house per toon, 1 harvester that can mine multiple resources so it seems like you still have 8 lots being used with different harvesters but really only 1, and that would cut 80% of the structures right there.



I would seriously wipe all of them and make 8 new servers.. I mean we lost so much already whats the big deal? Some kids lose their GCW ranks and some garbage loot lol.. I wouldn't allow any character transfers.. just make new servers and have double xp or something.. Might even fix the economy up a bit..

That would ruin the architect profession, as there would be no repeat business and people will just use the bunker house.

Danjak

Originally posted by flakes

Originally posted by SWGLover


Low population?
Not according to many!

 

 

I am neither a pre-nge lover nor a pre-nge hater.So what i say may come over confusing on these boards......But to say the population is not low is just a lie.To say the population is not getting better every day also is a lie.

^^  What he said. 



Saying there is a rebound going on in the game is not the same as saying there isn't a low population.  Saying certain areas have players once again also isn't saying the game doesn't have a low population.  It does.  But it's also improving.  There *is* an upswing in the number of players.  It's undeniable to anyone who currently plays. 

w175jab

Why don't they just do an NGE v.2 that actually brings back the original aspects of the game while keeping the current changes so players don't loose anything in the mix up?



I've never played SWG, but that would make sense from a developers stand point... their only choice at this point is to release another NGE in order to satisfy veterans and current players alike.



They might as well just start over at this point from what I have been reading!

Mordah

Originally posted by SWGLover


Low population?
Not according to many!

Give me a break.  

iskareot

Originally posted by w175jab

Why don't they just do an NGE v.2 that actually brings back the original aspects of the game while keeping the current changes so players don't loose anything in the mix up?



I've never played SWG, but that would make sense from a developers stand point... their only choice at this point is to release another NGE in order to satisfy veterans and current players alike.



They might as well just start over at this point from what I have been reading!

ahhh someone with some logic..

I can dig it..

See, the wipe would do a few things... even it out for even the NGErs... the elders and all of the above.

It would also let the product stand on its own... meaning, what they got from here on out would be REAL... not missmatch of old people hoping for new,or old people thinking they fixed stuff, or new people thinking they got somthing for free with no effort.

This would be intresting actually.

Harafnir

I remember when I started playing my old character in the NGE.. was so sad, uninstalled it quickly and cancelled my Station Access.

DLed the 14 day trial this week, just to spend some time with fond memories and.. I am actually enjoying it. Now, misunderstand me correctly, had I played my old character I would still be a sad panda. But here i am, started a spanking fresh trader, playing around with my little resource gatherers, planning my manufacturing strategy, looking for special resources and getting ready to build my first spaceship with pure playercreated equipment.... It is tons more fun than any of the new MMOs, even if its missing more than 50% of the actual game I am used to.

Will I subscribe? They will have to shoot me before that happens. But... Had I not experienced the old game, and found this today... I know I would have. As a fresh character it has its qualities, and if you dont know what you are missing, it has more qualities than most, tons more than Vanguard or any other singlefile, onedimensional WoW copy.

BTW 8 Medium servers (2 European), rest light and below. And that is this minute, looking at the screen. Compare that to what others say, see who seems closest to the truth.

fcwedd

Yeah, earning it is fine. However, you CAN'T earn it now even if you want too. Thats the point I was trying to make. I unlocked my first Jedi by completing nearly every single profession. That was much harder than the force village crap.

Graywolf37

It would be interesting to see what would happen if they wiped all the servers, started over fresh, and not add the three new servers.  I would be interested in knowing how many people that currently have accounts, would keep their account and start a fresh character.  Of course, I'm sure that they would want all of their free items for buying the JTL, RotW, tTE, etc.  I would say yes, let them have the speeders, bikes, walkers, and whatever else.  It would clean out the farmed stuff, along with the old cities, most definitely.  IMHO, I think they would also lose more subs, because people wouldn't trust them anymore.

iskareot

Originally posted by Danjak

Originally posted by flakes

Originally posted by SWGLover


Low population?
Not according to many!

 

 

I am neither a pre-nge lover nor a pre-nge hater.So what i say may come over confusing on these boards......But to say the population is not low is just a lie.To say the population is not getting better every day also is a lie.

^^  What he said. 



Saying there is a rebound going on in the game is not the same as saying there isn't a low population.  Saying certain areas have players once again also isn't saying the game doesn't have a low population.  It does.  But it's also improving.  There *is* an upswing in the number of players.  It's undeniable to anyone who currently plays. 

So your saying.... comging from oh say "0" in some areas there is now 1... or maybe 2 -- Ok... I would buy that, due to a publish there always has been and because of "HOPE" there will always be that with SWG like all other games.

But by all means coming from 0 I guess anything could be looked at as good.

The sad... real sad part is that it's at year 4 -- bug ridden, less animations, un-flent movment and horrid combat style not to mention the "not so smooth game feel" it is too late.

I hope the next SW MMO is made well and they do not change the game in the name of greed and 12 year olds wanting it easy.

SWG was ruined beyond repair when level 1 Jedi emerged with "force pole arms" and the fact you could click on Landos head to be a crafter....

It's just to fisher price for most real SW fans and hence why you do NOT see more people in the game.. I bet there is one billion Star Wars fans in the world.

There is less -- (FOR SURE) then 50k players of SWG --    do the math.

No matter what SWG in it's current easy game state is a joke to the MMO world, hence the awards, it is a insult to the fans and it is a leadership train wreck.

At least they know it though... now is the milking of the product... it is about 4 months overdue where it is now.   They better come up with a plan quick with all the newer games around the corner... or they will lose what little they have left.

freako969

well that would lead to every1 quiting im guessing...

tevans

Originally posted by w175jab

Why don't they just do an NGE v.2 that actually brings back the original aspects of the game while keeping the current changes so players don't loose anything in the mix up?



I've never played SWG, but that would make sense from a developers stand point... their only choice at this point is to release another NGE in order to satisfy veterans and current players alike.



They might as well just start over at this point from what I have been reading!

At this point it would be too costly. SWG is in low maintenance, low priority mod and probably has been for the past year. An NGE 2 would take a lot of resources and the returns for SOE would just not be profitable. It's a game to us. It's a business to them and everything they do is motivated by money. In a business sense, SWG is just not worth it anymore.

TheSlider

I would NOT play any game that has SOE's name on it.

0k21

..... Please wipe! Please Wipe! Please wipe! Please wipe!..... Come on Devs, if you reading this ruin the game just a 'little' more and then you'll have no player base whatsoever! The fanbois can't possibly cling onto the game for that long can they? *blinks sweetly*

Tiller

For one this could buy them time to create more content for higher levels, which isn't there currently. Old veterans would come back for short periods (history has proven it sadly), and new players coming in would have the opportunity to get the same things as veterans. No more uber loot whores, no more farmed gold, no elder buffs, no broken converted items, no left over items from pre-cu that no one can ever make/loot. Whatever of the community did remain would be very tight. Honestly I have an Elder Jedi which I have not played in months and I can't say this would be a good or bad thing. Think about it, you have to be a full level 90 to compete in PvP (on a real level), but once you hit 90 PvE is dead. If no one is around to PvP then what do you do once you finish the content available? Starting the game over like the old days and letting communities flourish again (however dismal it may be) isn’t a bad thing, but it isn’t good either. It would be the last real blow for the game, and SOEs last “real” ditch effort to balance and save the game. No one could ever really complain about imbalance of old items, buffs ect because everyone would be on the same playing field, new and old. You would probably feel less hurt by dev decisions because the real character attachment is gone. Just some things to think about.