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No Confidence in CCP?
Tivian
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By T20's own admission he knowingly assisted BoB corporations out side of the game mechanics which amounts to cheating. It makes me wonder what else he and the other devs have done before getting caught.
A BoB member who left the allaince said that GM's were assigning priority bandwidth to BoB fleets during fleet combats.
BoB corporations wining game events. specificaly a couple of years ago when the Jove Ambassador was killed and his DNA spread through out the EVE universe. CCP held a contest to see which Race ie...Caldari, Amarr, Gallente, Minmatar would collect the most DNA to be returned to the Jovian reps. Caldari's collected the most and won first prize. Second place was taken by Gallente, led by a player from Evolution.
Second Prize was the first Tech II Covert Ops Cloaking device BPO. it went to Evolution. The Caldari even though declaired the winner in the event was to be awarded First prize and that prize was "To be named at a later date". It has yet to be named folks. but Evol sure enjoyed that BPO.
I find that my confidence in CCP to provide a game with balance and fairness to all has faulterd. There have been numerous instances where strange suspicious circumstances have come up surrounding past success's of BoB and Evolution specificaly...and non of it has gone unchecked till now.
Having game Dev's in the most powerful alliance gives one the perception of an unfair advantage and it is an unfair advantage. NO ONE LIKES TO LOSE NOT EVEN A DEV!!!
CCP and Helmar say that Devs will play the game to get it from a players perspective. I question that logic. And I can honestly say what is the use of playing a game when anyone opposing BoB has such a huge up hill battle.
I can no longer support or recommend this game to anyone based on what I know and the apparent lack of concern on CCP's and specificaly Helmar's part.
Having T20 confirm that there was "Illegal Activity" going on in the game make me believe that all the wild accusations from the past are also apperently true as well.
Well done CCP and Helmar...well played. YOU folks have to earn my trust as a customer again...which is not going to be easy. I loved this game and made alot of friends playing it. I had the best gaming experience ever being in the original Curse Alliance. and the thought of leaving after 4 years is not easy. but I refuse to play a game where all things are not equal. and obviously there not!
Something more needs to be done. and your commitment to never let this happen again is not enough in my oppinion.
I can no longer recommend EvE to any one to play.
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I was in a copr in EvE which has seen over 200 people quit EvE in last 4 weeks over developer corruption and BoB-related issues.
Whatever anyone says, having corrupt Devs and corrupt Dev alliances makes players QUIT cos they're NOT stupid.
HAHAHA so says the guy with 1 star.
A little tip if you want credability back up your claims more.
LordSlater
Its CREDiBiLITY with an i - learn at your school
I reached 99,999 posts with my 3rd account, have to restart after that
If all you can do to reply to genuine chritasism is to point out spelling mistakes and to insult people and minoratys then im afraid ill ahve to report you.
And just so you know i spelt that word inmy last post like that becasue i feel that it is a bad word but i felt it was needed to be said based on the quality of your last posts to me which i can see now were all just flame bait as you are trying to..
A. increase your post count.
B. You love to flame and troll it seems.
Its just so sad to see you cant defend yourself at all and have sealed your fate.
Oh my Slater, I think I lurv you
You know Lordslurp I have read all of your post I don't like you and I don't like the way you talk down to other members. you don't own this board and I find your arrogance annoying, so my advice to you is to be a good little 10 yearold greifer and go play with your little friends.
I have not violated any forum rules. This post was not intended to be a flame thread untill you spouted off. I am not impressed by your stars nor am I intimidated or threatned by anthing you have to say.
So go tell your mommy somebody talked mean to you! cause she is the only one who cares about what you say!
Thank you to all who are supporting my position on this issue.
After 4 years of dedicated play I do believe I am entitled to have something to say about this.
And I was merely giving my play experience and dealings with BoB and Evolution. There was so much more that I could have said. I have COUNTLESS instances where things seemed to be a miss.
And I truly believe that ccp has not done enough to remedy this problem
Devs and GM's Should not be in any alliance or any corp part of a major alliance. They should be neutral in all ways. other wise it gives the perception of favoritism.
Hey Slurp I will be more than happy to meet you 1 v 1 in game. any time any where.
Tivian, I am with you
As stated above, I have left EVE with many of my corp because of Dev corruption and Dev alliance problems.
I happen to own a TV company in the UK. We are making a documentary about Dev corruption in MMOs, particularly in EvE. So far, we have over 30 interviews with players, devs and GMs, who all state GM corruption is in force within EvE.
We plan to show the pre-broadcast tape to CCP 3 days after it is broadcast on Channel 4 in the UK!!
But seriously, if anyone has any stories about CCP or EVE and would like to add their contributions to our film, we would love to hear from you. I will post a link if requested by enough folks here.
Fight back
First time I herd this about CCP giving bandwidth to BOB. But it makes a lot of sense. As a former senior member of ASCN, I can tell you that we never could figure out what was going on. There we would sit with 400+ members in BS, and bob would swoop in with around 100, our computers would all freeze, but Bobs wouldn't. We would all die, they would win. I'm not sure what happend to our Titan, but when Cyvok quit, that was enough for me.
What excatly is fun about sitting in a ship all night waiting for Bob to attack anyway? What a bore. Instead of 2 subcriptions to EVe, I now have one to Wow, yep wow. TBC is awesome! I'm a druid so pretty soon I will be able to fly anywhere I want in Outland. Who needs a spacship anyway, I can sprout wings
And this Ladies and Gentlemen is commonly known as a bullshit troll post..
We could start with the whole ... Senior ASCN member, who didn't know what was going on.. But thats too easy... The Titan and Cyvok? It seems that you forget that, Cyvok lost it after he either logged during combat.. or as he states had a power cut, not by the cheap trick that bob did recently to score their next titan kill... maybe bob hacked the power company and targetted cyvoks house. Or the part about bob getting uber bandwidth and the rest of the crybaby rubbish.
If thats the case, may i direct you to when RA/Goon attacked a capital shipyard and all the defenders crashed.. Now could this mean RA/Goon are getting help from CCP by giving them magic bandwidth.. or maybe that have a team of hackers that caused all the defenders to crash all that same time?
Now you say you have gone over to wow.. well good for you, stay there and enjoy your spoon fed safe enviroment.. Maybe you should try LOTR.. after all we ended up with the nick name of the hobbits (I too am ex-ASCN.) There you can really be a hobbit.
Gentlemen, if you look at my post history I am often on the side of the saying that CCP is in the wrong. I encourage anyone that is about to call me a CCP lover to look carefully over my post history before saying anything otherwise.
Then danger we have here is letting the "Pendulum" (cough, cough) swing too far the other way, and to become so suspicous that it becomes ridiculous. ***I am not saying that is what the OP is doing*** -- I respect his opinion, and I feel for his situation (losing a 4 year old character because you feel a game is tainted sucks dude).
I gotta tell you though, in my gut (because what else do we have? We have no proof, only our guts) I don't think that "Cheating" has spread as far, or to something as tangible as priority bandwidth for BOB members... the sheer logisitics of that are crazy. The amount of people that would need to know would multiply the number of potential leaks... we would have heard about it across more channels, and from more reliable sources then an MMORPG board offhand mentioning.
Think about it - TCP/IP is a point to point protocol. In order to prioritize traffic I would need to know the IP address of everyone in the fleet, which, granted, I could harvest from the database, and then tag all the packets. You couldn't hide this from anyone - it would be broadcast across the public network. Computer geeks would see it. BOB and non-BOB alike would pick it up. We would know.
CHEATING at CCP isn't something so gross. It is more subtle. CHEATING at CCP is when a Dev tells his corpmate that a change is coming up in T2 BPOs, or when a bughunter mentions to his CEO that there is a way to circumvent a POS shield, or when an ISD member uses his powers to compare the account names on different posts on the EVE-O forums.... granted T20s cheat was of a more substantial nature, and I am sure that happens occasionally too - but for the most part we are talking about subtle cheating, not Devs running rampant through the game spawning Imperial Apoc fleets and laying waste to their enemies.
Intergrity is what you do when you know you can get away with it. Some CP employees lack integrity. Is it surprising? They are human. Why is everyone so surprised about this? Why is it that Fanbois are so surprised that some CCP Employees may actually be less then divine?
Cheers.
to fix the real problem inside of CCP crew) ....so ....if you want play EVE ....live with that ...
and enjoy the game ...or quit ...but not expect anymore that CCP will play fair
First off, CCP is a business, a gaming company. They provide a service to all players. No gaming company in there right mind would ever jeopardize their business just so they can win a fictional game. Do you realize how ridiclious your accusations are? Really , think about it. Its not that difficult.
One employee did something bad, CCP punished him for it. They admited it, they apologized and created an entire department called the "The Watchdog" dedicated to keeping their employee's in check.
That is the reality of it. Stop flooding these forums with your baseless theory's. Stop filling people's heads with nonsense and grow up.
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Currently Playing: LOTRO; DDO
Played: AC2, AO, Auto Assault, CoX, DAoC, DDO, Earth&Beyond, EQ1, EQ2, EVE, Fallen Earth, Jumpgate, Roma Victor, Second Life, SWG, V:SoH, WoW, World War II Online.
Games I'm watching: Infinity: The Quest for Earth, Force of Arms.
Find the Truth: http://www.factcheck.org/
Enron was guilty of accounting fraud. How does that compare to what one man in CCP did? Who cheated in a fictional game? LOL WOW
ccp the "we cheat for our buddies and are proud of it" company...
Don't let the door hit you on your way out.
Cheers to you sir!
ccp the "we cheat for our buddies and are proud of it" company...
CCP did do bad things.
BoB leader did do bad things.
Customers need to know that CCP will lie and coverup misdeeds, instead of having integrety....so they can make an informed decision to subscribe or not too.
If people being informed of the truth bothers you, then get CCP to stop lieing and covering up all the misdeeds they are guilty of.
ccp the "we cheat for our buddies and are proud of it" company...
Enron was guilty of accounting fraud. How does that compare to what one man in CCP did? Who cheated in a fictional game? LOL WOW
You are the one who brought business into this. You claimed that no company in their right mind would jeopardize their business. To quote you "Think about it, It's not that difficult." Contrary to your seeming belief that a company is infallable, companies in fact are run by humans. They fail for the same reasons human beings fail. The question highlighted by the OP asks us "Is CCP in their right mind?" You seem to give them a pass and say that they are in their 'right mind'. Others see a track record of corruption, indicating they are not in 'their right mind' and are thus, like Enron, very capable of jeopardizing their own business.
So yes, I am comparing them to a fraudulant company.
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Currently Playing: LOTRO; DDO
Played: AC2, AO, Auto Assault, CoX, DAoC, DDO, Earth&Beyond, EQ1, EQ2, EVE, Fallen Earth, Jumpgate, Roma Victor, Second Life, SWG, V:SoH, WoW, World War II Online.
Games I'm watching: Infinity: The Quest for Earth, Force of Arms.
Find the Truth: http://www.factcheck.org/
Is there an MMO that out there that isn't affected by Xao Ping Wang and their money grubbing macro bots?
http://wow.stratics.com/content/features/editorials/mf/
Just say no to ingame money/mob farming.... the site says it all
Enron was guilty of accounting fraud. How does that compare to what one man in CCP did? Who cheated in a fictional game? LOL WOW
You are the one who brought business into this. You claimed that no company in their right mind would jeopardize their business. To quote you "Think about it, It's not that difficult." Contrary to your seeming belief that a company is infallable, companies in fact are run by humans. They fail for the same reasons human beings fail. The question highlighted by the OP asks us "Is CCP in their right mind?" You seem to give them a pass and say that they are in their 'right mind'. Others see a track record of corruption, indicating they are not in 'their right mind' and are thus, like Enron, very capable of jeopardizing their own business.
So yes, I am comparing them to a fraudulant company.
Nice to see people understand that this issue is about REAL LIFE and how a RL company behaves, not about a GAME.CCP did bad things to its customers, that is a truth.
CCP is still covering up what they did, that is a truth.
enron...ccp...lie, cheat, steal, coverup what they do, all to line their own pockets with cash...sure seems they have a few things in common.
ccp the "we cheat for our buddies and are proud of it" company...
You know i have yet to see you back up any of your claims with evidence.
Meanwhile while you do this im sure you will enjoy flogging that poor old dead horse with your new friends.