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djnso

This is another one of those "goodbye to vanguard' posts.

I have a level 19 cleric and have beening playing every night for about a month.  I am in a great guild with experienced gamers who have played SWG, EQ1, EQ2 and WOW together for 5+ years.

I really wanted to like this game.  My reason for quiting is not related to performance nor is related to the community.

Why did I cancel my account last night?

THIS GAME IS SIMPLY NOT FUN.

Why is not fun?

1.  For a game that is supposed to be 3rd generation, it simply it not.  Too many standard features are just not there---for example, an in-game map that actually works, quest logs that can hold more than 20 quests (if you are trying to do both diplomacy and adventuring, managing your quest log is a pain in the ass), much better LFG options, graphics that are SOOOOOOOO mid-90s, equipment compare options so you don't have to screw around in the middle of combat opening your equipment list and TRYING to find the comparable item you are wearing to see if the proposed item is better so you can decide whether or not to hit greed or need.

2.  NPC voice acting has got to be the absolutely worst I have ever heard in a video game. 

3.  Too many different starting areas:  people are just spread around too far so it is very hard to find groups or even people at early levels.

4.  Uninteresting quests and mobs.  There is no sense of adventure.

5.  Only four hair styles..... enough said.

6.  Leveling is WAY to slow.  I am not asking for double XP weekends, but I am not even level 20 yet and I have to grind 2-4 nights in dungeons to get ONE level?  I expect that when I am 30+ but NOT before 20. 

7.  Because I have yet to find a global story or crisis, the world seems, well, bland and normal.  Not full of fantasy, magic and adventure.  Instead of quests like "The barbians are forming to invade the land! Gather a force of your closest heroes and go kill their vicious leader and his dangerous horde in a horribly difficult dungeon" we get quests like this "I need 8 cyrstals from the dungeon so I can form a large crystal candle holder for the mayor's dining room."   That sounds WAY TOO much like what my wife wants me to do on Saturday mornings.   Just not for me.

I wish you all well, but the game is just not fun.

Teak

CaesarsGhost

Ya know, I didn't like VG either... but it was for a whole host of technical reasons and poor planning on Sigil's part...



Unfortunately after reading your reasons I have to say:



Vanguard just wasn't for you.



It wasn't for me either, but it just DEFINATLY isn't for you.  Try EQ2... I'm enjoying it immensely.

xAlrythx

Well true but VG did fail to deliver on alot of promises, that combined with techical issues did it for me. I could handle the technical issues but. It was mainly the gameplay itself. It was like a hardcore game trapped in a carebear world, it just didn't apeal to me after so many levels of repetitiveness.

Cor4x

Originally posted by djnso


This is another one of those "goodbye to vanguard' posts.
I have a level 19 cleric and have beening playing every night for about a month.  I am in a great guild with experienced gamers who have played SWG, EQ1, EQ2 and WOW together for 5+ years.
I really wanted to like this game.  My reason for quicking is not related to performance nor is related to the community.
Why did I cancel my account last night?
THIS GAME IS SIMPLY NOT FUN.
Wasn't fun for me either. I hear ya.
Why is not fun?
1.  For a game that is supposed to be 3rd generation, it simply it not.  Too many standard features are just not there---for example, an in-game map that actually works, quest logs that can hold more than 20 quests (if you are trying to do both diplomacy and adventuring, managing your quest log is a pain in the ass), much better LFG options, graphics that are SOOOOOOOO mid-90s, equipment compare options so you don't have to screw around in the middle of combat opening your equipment list and TRYING to find the comparable item you are wearing to see if the proposed item is better so you can decide whether or not to hit greed or need.
They're adding some LFG options supposedly soon.



They're adding an equipment compare function according to the test patch notes as well.



They are thinking about adding teleporters in some places to make grouping easier as it is probably getting hard as hell to find a group now. (It was painful when I was still playing.)
2.  NPC voice acting has got to be the absolutely worst I have ever heard in a video game.


I turn off voice-overs on every game I play. They hurt my head. The ones in DDO were the worst though.
The only voice-overs I ever liked were in morrowind.


3.  Too many different starting areas:  people are just spread around too far so it is very hard to find groups or even people at early levels.
Yeah. They're supposedly thinking about adding teleporters at some point.


4.  Uninteresting quests and mobs.  There is no sense of adventure.
No kidding. It was bland bland bland. I was kinda shocked at that. EQ2 quests were better. And they sucked.


5.  Only four hair styles..... enough said.
6.  Leveling is WAY to slow.  I am not asking for double XP weekends, but I am not even level 20 yet and I have to grind 2-4 nights in dungeons to get ONE level?  I expect that when I am 30+ but NOT before 20.


It gets worse. I gave up when I was almost 40. They're supposed to be improving that.


7.  Because I have yet to find a global story or crisis, the world seems, well, bland and normal.  Not full of fantasy, magic and adventure.  Instead of quests like "The barbians are forming to invade the land! Gather a force of your closest heroes and go kill their vicious leader and his dangerous horde in a horribly difficult dungeon" we get quests like this "I need 8 cyrstals from the dungeon so I can form a large crystal candle holder for the mayor's dining room."   That sounds WAY TOO much like what my wife wants me to do on Saturday mornings.   Just not for me.
I wish you all well, but the game is just not fun.
I wish you well with whatever mmorpg goodness you find.
Teak

You need to check your account again today to see if it really, actually canceled. If it didn't, call them and make them cancel it.



I had that problem.

nethervoid

This post can be boiled down to one line:

"Waaaaaaahh!"

Quit without all the ceremony.  Nobody cares.

Cor4x

Originally posted by nethervoid


This post can be boiled down to one line:
"Waaaaaaahh!"
Quit without all the ceremony.  Nobody cares.

I care. So you're wrong.



And you can bet your ass that Sigil cares right now too.

nethervoid

Looks like item compare is now in.  From patch notes.

- Added item compare to the UI, which activates by pressing Shift while examining an item. Alternatively, you can enable the new "Always Show Item Compare" setting for 24-hour pants comparison coverage.

swede2

Well i find the game lots of fun , but i suppose thats because i actually play it lol .And if you cant use the map in vanguard than well go back to school because it shows you everything you need to get around unreal how people blame game makers for there own short comings

Graphics that are soooooo mid 90's lol , bud do you even remember what graphics looked like in say 2004 maybe try the game before you come here and try and bash it

Tnice

Sigil  forgot to put "Fun" in their design documents.  For these games to be successful you need a bunch of really smart technology Developers and a bunch of just laid back "right brain" crazy, creative people who have a vision for the fun.

You could argue that Sigil has the technology people although that part is broken also.  But there is one thing for sure.  They did not have a budget for the "right brain" creative people who know nothing about technology and only want fun.  The Game Designer slogan should be "It's the Fun, Stupid."  Blizzard has both types of people and that is why their games are so successful.

I would guess that the people who like Vanguard at this point are people who want to "work" instead of "play" a game.  Unfortunately for Sigil, most of us like to play to have fun.

healz4u

Absolutely.





In addition to technological flaws and so many other issues, the key point is fun.





The game is not fun. 





I wanted it to be.  I bought it hoping it would be.  I still want it to be "some day." 

whitedelight

You guys who cry and whine that it didn;t deliver, what the hell were you thinking when the devs said the game was released early and it a beta stage? That they were just joking so you through them 50 bucks for this? You guys are as much of the problem as they are for releasing it early. You people make future games think it is okay to be released early because 150k people went and bought it outright in the first month. If you like it play it, if not move on and let it go.

Elikal

I am still in the game, but I feel like the OP. It started without me noticing that where I once used to play daily, I now have days where I dont play, and the gap grows longer. Something is missing. Its more a feeling than something I can really grasp, but your points are good. I still think its someting in the lifelessness of the world.

I will be patient a few more months, 2 or 3 maybe. But not endless.

sepher

Originally posted by whitedelight

You guys who cry and whine that it didn;t deliver, what the hell were you thinking when the devs said the game was released early and it a beta stage? That they were just joking so you through them 50 bucks for this? You guys are as much of the problem as they are for releasing it early. You people make future games think it is okay to be released early because 150k people went and bought it outright in the first month. If you like it play it, if not move on and let it go.

You're preaching to a very small audience, White. Everything you say is true; certainly a lot of people knew they were buying an unfinished game.



However, getting into a new game needn't be anymore difficult than seeing an advertisement for the game, picking up the box, and buying it.



Of the 150,000 'registered' users, how many of them do you think read fohguild.org, silkyvenom or whatever other mundane hidden medium those warning messages were transmitted through?



Even if Brad was so open as to send out press releases to big gaming sites like GameSpot, IGN, print magazines and whatever else, that's still a small bunch of people who would've been clued in about their purchase. So you really can't blame anyone who complains for not having known better. Unless it was printed on the back of the box, there was no guarantee way of knowing.



We're the ones that are unusual in knowing Sigil's corporate biography, the history of Brad McQuaid and his buddies, SOE's track record, and every other mundane thing we post about here. For the regular consumers though, it isn't unreasonable at all for their first impression of Vanguard to come from a box on a shelf.

Praxus

I think the game is really fun...but the OP has a couple of points. Firstly the XP is a bit too slow. But they have fixed that with today's patch.

Secondly, I agree the world is too spread out. They should have launched with 2 continents, not three. It does make finding groups somewhat harder. But they will address that with the change to allow two people to summon another.

smg77

Originally posted by whitedelight

You guys who cry and whine that it didn;t deliver, what the hell were you thinking when the devs said the game was released early and it a beta stage? That they were just joking so you through them 50 bucks for this? You guys are as much of the problem as they are for releasing it early. You people make future games think it is okay to be released early because 150k people went and bought it outright in the first month. If you like it play it, if not move on and let it go.

They had 5 years and 30 million dollars to get the game done. Most people would assume a game that had spent that much time in development with that budget would be playable.



You vanbois who blame the players for the crappy state of the game are the real problem. The Great Brad has said so...

whitedelight

I am not a vanboi, nor do I subscribe to the game anymore. But exactly as you said, you assumed because of the money  and time they put in it was going to be a polished game.

Unknown

Remember they said it won't release until it's finished? lol

Kyleran

My story is similar to the OP's.... I got to level 21 and realized... no matter what fixes they put into the game...I just wasn't having any fun... so I cancelled my sub....

I guess it just wasn't for me....

ghostinfinit

Originally posted by nethervoid


This post can be boiled down to one line:
"Waaaaaaahh!"
Quit without all the ceremony.  Nobody cares.

I'm with nether on this one.  Stop trying to be like everyone else with these "I'm quitting such and such game and this is why" threads.  Are you that starved for attention?  Quit the friggen game, buy some other game, be unhappy with that, quit that game, and so on......  You'd think these threads are some psychologist's couch that people are pouring their weepy hearts out on looking for "closure"  Here, I'll speak for Sigil, SOE, the "vanbois" and whatever:  "We're sorry you didn't like the game, see ya and have a nice life"

 

Feel better?

Xanrn

Well they may feel the need to say why they quit on public forums which are here for the discussion of mmorpg and not a circle jerk of praise.

They can if they want, just as you can come across as an immature idiot with low if any social skills, if you want.

This forum is General Discussion, not General Praise.

Shoal

On the Grind . . .

Oddly, in the starter zone (cannot remember which one) that I began in, I found I had to start Grinding to get from Level 2 to Level 3 !  And after that, every level had more and more Grind.

Now this is because :

*  Not enough Quests to go from Level to Level by questing.

*  I play a lot Solo, so not Dungeon Delving or other Group Required operations.

So, that left just farming mobs for those last segs of exp for the next level.  In other words, Grinding.

And for my coppers, a game that requires Grinding from level 2 onwards is just lacking in design vision.

thepatriot

Well I have to agree with a lot of what the OP said, especially about the voice overs.  I can't even understand what the half giants are saying.  However I did notice a huge difference in the fun factor based on what starting area you are in.  The orc/goblin area is one of the best experiences I have played in any MMO, conversly the half giant area was one of the worst and un-imaginative.  The elf are I started was too spread out but the quests were good.  The human area I tried was interesting but I didn't get far into it.  It wasn't enough for me to subscribe because it just took too much work to enjoy the game and the game should be fun on it's own.  Someday if the game doesn't fold and SOE pumps money into finishing it instead of expansions, this could be a good game, but there are so many what ifs for this to come true.

Fargol

Originally posted by nethervoid


This post can be boiled down to one line:
"Waaaaaaahh!"
Quit without all the ceremony.  Nobody cares.

I care too. I quit as well for almost exactly the same reasons, but toss in technical reasons as well.



And admit it: you care too, otherwise you wound't have bothered to read his post. I mean, the subject was a dead giveaway ...

Fargol

Originally posted by whitedelight

You guys who cry and whine that it didn;t deliver, what the hell were you thinking when the devs said the game was released early and it a beta stage? That they were just joking so you through them 50 bucks for this? You guys are as much of the problem as they are for releasing it early. You people make future games think it is okay to be released early because 150k people went and bought it outright in the first month. If you like it play it, if not move on and let it go.

I could be wrong, but didn't they say it was released early AFTER it was released?  And wasn't it Brad who said so?

Celestian

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Originally posted by nethervoid
This post can be boiled down to one line:
"Waaaaaaahh!"
Quit without all the ceremony. Nobody cares.

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Obviously you did care enough to post so I wonder if you're just being ironic or stupid.

ozomatli

I agree. For me the game felt more of a chore than an enjoyable piece of entertainment. Just tedious..