<--admits in WOW of being a E-Z mode hunter. rogue, pally, priest, warlock,shammie,warrior,and dr00d..
That about covers it I think.. Never played a mage. they are probably E-z Mode as well. The easiest of the E-Z mode classes in WOW pvp are Pally,Hunter,Warlock,Rogue..
Now for a real pvp experience DAOC or SWG pre-cu.! Yes there were gankers.but 8vs usually kept them clear. As for SWG, the BEST PVP experience I have ever played in a mmo EVER! No game current or past compares to it.
As to UO and AC I played AC for almost 2 years (1 year subbed with EQ and AC) UO I played for about 5 months. The hacks and griefers in that game got too crazy. Had nothing to do with carebear. The ultimate CAREBEAR/idiot is a griefer who camps lowbies right outside a noob town who usually ones shots those players for a few measly cps. The funny thing about these guys is when a compatable pvp player comes along to fight the griefer. They run away like chickens!! shitting the whole time. Please tell me bout CAREBEARs..kk
Darkfall has the makings of another UO with the carebear griefers/idiots. Ill wait for AOC or Warhammer!
Any game that relies on PvP as the main focus of the game will, in the end, not do as well as a game that plans for PvP but makes a mostly PvE game.
There are lots of things you can do with PvP, there are even a few games out there trying some of them. But without a solid PvE game that's protected to some extent from the ganker/griefer guilds, the users that will mostly pay the bills will dwindle and go to a more controlled enviroment.
I, personally, am a carebear. I admit it. But I enjoy a good PvP round with friends or even randoms. I don't enjoy grinding for Honor like WoW, and I don't enjoy getting ganked when I'm moving along and not bothering anybody. I realize both these scenerios happen on PvP servers and do very little complaining when it happens. In EVE I enjoyed the very controlled nature of the PvP through the different security zones: 1.0 space you could be attacked, but it was highly unlikely. AO was very similar in this respect, adding other gameplay elements to it.
However, any game that advertises as a fast paced twitch MMORPG with full loot might as well be Dark Messiah MMO. Or better yet: Savage 2.
Course, I guess you people that like Fantasy games have been waiting for something like that for awhile... the rest of us call it "First Person Shooters" like the Battlefield series.
- CaesarsGhost
Lead Gameplay and Gameworld Designer for a yet unnamed MMO Title. "When people tell me designing a game is easy, I try to get them to design a board game. Most people don't last 5 minutes, the rest rarely last more then a day. The final few realize it's neither fun nor easy."
I was a AC fanboy and a UO fanatic.. I have no respect for you if you claim you have pvp skills but never played either of these games.. but more on topic ish, ok look i dont know about you but I've read alot about this new Darkfall game.. i've heard about it for years.. but i just felt like bringing it up because I figure the more i hype it up (btw: im suprized its not #1 on the hype meter for MMORPG.. but thats another thread.. or atleast #2 to WAR.) the more people will play.. thus more people to pwnzorize. With that said.. Darkfall will be the harbinger of everything that is good and right in a pvp game.. minus the sticky melee and rediculous targeting systems, plus you get the ability to push people??? (collision detection FTW) Omg be ready to be embarassed during melee combat when someone pushs you instead of laying that final blow.. and this talk about knockback?! fireballs literally blowing you off cliffs? in this game.. true skill will reign supreme.. darkfall =
Wow, I have played AC and UO. I dont call camping lowbies for loot pvp. I call it griefing. I bet your favorite class is a stealther.. Should be. only people with no cohones play stealthers and grief noobs.
In AC and WOW I played both a regular and pvp server. we would camp griefers til they logged. Darkfall looks setup like a griefer heaven. Total turnoff for me. But can understand why idiot griefers would like the game. Are you serious? Please tell me you're kidding.. I live for the 1v1.. you hop on my thread and automatically assume im some portal drop campin n00b? in AC i was a war and life spec 10-100-10-10-100-100 Mage.. master of the quik cast along with my lvl 40 pally on WoW Retri spec'd out (only true solo'ing class in WoW) and i rolled solo raping lvl 45+'s its not about the gank its about realizing that poop happens and true skills stem from reaction time and ability to use what is given to you. I bet your favorite class is CAREBEAR.. go back to LC TD or whereever the hell you came from, as far as your stint on DT.. if you can't stand the heat get out the kitchen..WoW took no skill at all, and pally was the biggest ez-mode class in the game......
For one.. pally is the ONLY solo class in the game unless you wanna kite someone all day.. and 2 I FULLY agree with you on that first part.. thats why hes only lvl 40.. and i never played him or any other character in WoW past that..I hope you were not serious...Yes i am.. what of it? Are you the WoW pro? Here to correct me.. and let me know some really useless information? 12 Year old kids play WoW and are considered good at it.. I dont care about WoW in the least bit.If the paladin is the ONLY class you can solo with, then you might want to drop gaming all together, it is clearly to difficult for you.
I don't mean to summon a giant vortex of quotes to crit you all but wtf ! ? ! ?
Seriously I can't believe you (xsubermanx) just stated that Paladin is the only class you can solo WoW with.
I have never in my entire forum surfing days seen anyone post anything close to what you just said.
WHAT THE F&%K BBQ ? ! ? ! ? !
wow!!! Again.. by true solo i meant hybrid with enough damage and heals to stay alive. For one.. any paly can own any other character in the game.. 1on1 (Im standin on that.. period thats a proven fact.. to me rather.. i dont play nor do i care really) thats mainly why i quit.. 1v1 it blows to be able never to find a good challenge people everyone hates that you have to literally kill a paly twice before he really dies.. for 2 WoW is a gank fest.. another reason why i left.. you can even move 10 ft away from the guards and you got a swarm of fuhq-tards sittin there waitin to piss you off.. Why pay money to group up with a bunch of children who spend more time on WoW than at school, only to sit around and go on quests for pieces of armor and that take about a year to complete, If im going to pay money to do something its gonna be to kill these carebear ass D&D allstars.. i think i've found my niche in life.. (yes i dont have one..)
Heh. I find people who regard themselves as "true PvPers" to be rather comical Especially when you find out what their "skills" actually involve (ganking players that don't have a chance to fight back). I don't respect a "true" PvP player that claims to have "skills" just because he played an MMO that I haven't.
If you want to talk about real skill, FPS and RTS games is where the real skill is at. Not saying you can't be skilled in an MMORPG, of course you can - all PvP is human vs human. You can have a smart EVE PvPer just like you can have a smart EQ PvPer just like every other MMO out there.
You have no "PvP" skills in MMO, that can't be learned by your average Joe if they had the time, and MMOs are far less about skill, far more about the time you invest to advance your character. You knows it.
Well as far as that go, I mean im a gamer at heart.. I was CAL-M about a year ago in CS:S and 1.6, I currently play Company of Heroes.. (best RTS ever made) and as far as MMO's are concerned its all about the ruining someone's day aspect that draws me to them.. and PvP skills can be acquired.. learning how to efficiently dispatch someone with the abilities given to you would be considered skills.. BUT i will give you this point.. time does sometimes.. sadly.. = ability.
I was a AC fanboy and a UO fanatic.. I have no respect for you if you claim you have pvp skills but never played either of these games.. but more on topic ish, ok look i dont know about you but I've read alot about this new Darkfall game.. i've heard about it for years.. but i just felt like bringing it up because I figure the more i hype it up (btw: im suprized its not #1 on the hype meter for MMORPG.. but thats another thread.. or atleast #2 to WAR.) the more people will play.. thus more people to pwnzorize. With that said.. Darkfall will be the harbinger of everything that is good and right in a pvp game.. minus the sticky melee and rediculous targeting systems, plus you get the ability to push people??? (collision detection FTW) Omg be ready to be embarassed during melee combat when someone pushs you instead of laying that final blow.. and this talk about knockback?! fireballs literally blowing you off cliffs? in this game.. true skill will reign supreme.. darkfall =
Wow, I have played AC and UO. I dont call camping lowbies for loot pvp. I call it griefing. I bet your favorite class is a stealther.. Should be. only people with no cohones play stealthers and grief noobs.
In AC and WOW I played both a regular and pvp server. we would camp griefers til they logged. Darkfall looks setup like a griefer heaven. Total turnoff for me. But can understand why idiot griefers would like the game. Are you serious? Please tell me you're kidding.. I live for the 1v1.. you hop on my thread and automatically assume im some portal drop campin n00b? in AC i was a war and life spec 10-100-10-10-100-100 Mage.. master of the quik cast along with my lvl 40 pally on WoW Retri spec'd out (only true solo'ing class in WoW) and i rolled solo raping lvl 45+'s its not about the gank its about realizing that poop happens and true skills stem from reaction time and ability to use what is given to you. I bet your favorite class is CAREBEAR.. go back to LC TD or whereever the hell you came from, as far as your stint on DT.. if you can't stand the heat get out the kitchen..WoW took no skill at all, and pally was the biggest ez-mode class in the game......
For one.. pally is the ONLY solo class in the game unless you wanna kite someone all day.. and 2 I FULLY agree with you on that first part.. thats why hes only lvl 40.. and i never played him or any other character in WoW past that..I hope you were not serious...Yes i am.. what of it? Are you the WoW pro? Here to correct me.. and let me know some really useless information? 12 Year old kids play WoW and are considered good at it.. I dont care about WoW in the least bit.If the paladin is the ONLY class you can solo with, then you might want to drop gaming all together, it is clearly to difficult for you.
I don't mean to summon a giant vortex of quotes to crit you all but wtf ! ? ! ?
Seriously I can't believe you (xsubermanx) just stated that Paladin is the only class you can solo WoW with.
I have never in my entire forum surfing days seen anyone post anything close to what you just said.
WHAT THE F&%K BBQ ? ! ? ! ? !
wow!!! Again.. by true solo i meant hybrid with enough damage and heals to stay alive. For one.. any paly can own any other character in the game.. 1on1 (Im standin on that.. period thats a proven fact.. to me rather.. i dont play nor do i care really) thats mainly why i quit.. 1v1 it blows to be able never to find a good challenge people everyone hates that you have to literally kill a paly twice before he really dies.. for 2 WoW is a gank fest.. another reason why i left.. you can even move 10 ft away from the guards and you got a swarm of fuhq-tards sittin there waitin to piss you off.. Why pay money to group up with a bunch of children who spend more time on WoW than at school, only to sit around and go on quests for pieces of armor and that take about a year to complete, If im going to pay money to do something its gonna be to kill these carebear ass D&D allstars.. i think i've found my niche in life.. (yes i dont have one..) Every class can take on any class in WoW, if you know how to play it. Only people who can't pvp come up with "z0mg! [insert class here] is overpowered] or [that class is anti my class] excuse
I was a AC fanboy and a UO fanatic.. I have no respect for you if you claim you have pvp skills but never played either of these games.. but more on topic ish, ok look i dont know about you but I've read alot about this new Darkfall game.. i've heard about it for years.. but i just felt like bringing it up because I figure the more i hype it up (btw: im suprized its not #1 on the hype meter for MMORPG.. but thats another thread.. or atleast #2 to WAR.) the more people will play.. thus more people to pwnzorize. With that said.. Darkfall will be the harbinger of everything that is good and right in a pvp game.. minus the sticky melee and rediculous targeting systems, plus you get the ability to push people??? (collision detection FTW) Omg be ready to be embarassed during melee combat when someone pushs you instead of laying that final blow.. and this talk about knockback?! fireballs literally blowing you off cliffs? in this game.. true skill will reign supreme.. darkfall =
Wow, I have played AC and UO. I dont call camping lowbies for loot pvp. I call it griefing. I bet your favorite class is a stealther.. Should be. only people with no cohones play stealthers and grief noobs.
In AC and WOW I played both a regular and pvp server. we would camp griefers til they logged. Darkfall looks setup like a griefer heaven. Total turnoff for me. But can understand why idiot griefers would like the game. Are you serious? Please tell me you're kidding.. I live for the 1v1.. you hop on my thread and automatically assume im some portal drop campin n00b? in AC i was a war and life spec 10-100-10-10-100-100 Mage.. master of the quik cast along with my lvl 40 pally on WoW Retri spec'd out (only true solo'ing class in WoW) and i rolled solo raping lvl 45+'s its not about the gank its about realizing that poop happens and true skills stem from reaction time and ability to use what is given to you. I bet your favorite class is CAREBEAR.. go back to LC TD or whereever the hell you came from, as far as your stint on DT.. if you can't stand the heat get out the kitchen..WoW took no skill at all, and pally was the biggest ez-mode class in the game......
For one.. pally is the ONLY solo class in the game unless you wanna kite someone all day.. and 2 I FULLY agree with you on that first part.. thats why hes only lvl 40.. and i never played him or any other character in WoW past that..I hope you were not serious...Yes i am.. what of it? Are you the WoW pro? Here to correct me.. and let me know some really useless information? 12 Year old kids play WoW and are considered good at it.. I dont care about WoW in the least bit.If the paladin is the ONLY class you can solo with, then you might want to drop gaming all together, it is clearly to difficult for you.
I don't mean to summon a giant vortex of quotes to crit you all but wtf ! ? ! ?
Seriously I can't believe you (xsubermanx) just stated that Paladin is the only class you can solo WoW with.
I have never in my entire forum surfing days seen anyone post anything close to what you just said.
WHAT THE F&%K BBQ ? ! ? ! ? !
wow!!! Again.. by true solo i meant hybrid with enough damage and heals to stay alive. For one.. any paly can own any other character in the game.. 1on1 (Im standin on that.. period thats a proven fact.. to me rather.. i dont play nor do i care really) thats mainly why i quit.. 1v1 it blows to be able never to find a good challenge people everyone hates that you have to literally kill a paly twice before he really dies.. for 2 WoW is a gank fest.. another reason why i left.. you can even move 10 ft away from the guards and you got a swarm of fuhq-tards sittin there waitin to piss you off.. Why pay money to group up with a bunch of children who spend more time on WoW than at school, only to sit around and go on quests for pieces of armor and that take about a year to complete, If im going to pay money to do something its gonna be to kill these carebear ass D&D allstars.. i think i've found my niche in life.. (yes i dont have one..) I had to laugh at your response. I guess it is your lack of gameplay in WOW that gives you such assertions. Pallys are not the "only" solo class in-game. A dr00d would destroy a pally. A hunter will kite your ass all day.. As to 1v1 s preist would tear a pally a new a$$!
All I can say is before you make anymore ridiculous comments bout pallies or WOW to make a effort to know WTF you are talking about. I have 2 70ies both on pvp servers. Pallies are not the 1v1 class of choice. As far as lowbie ganking.. I play Horde, Tarren Mill is camped by some rogue or druid most of the time. Isnt a big deal if you are a lowbie.
Heh. I find people who regard themselves as "true PvPers" to be rather comical Especially when you find out what their "skills" actually involve (ganking players that don't have a chance to fight back). I don't respect a "true" PvP player that claims to have "skills" just because he played an MMO that I haven't.
If you want to talk about real skill, FPS and RTS games is where the real skill is at. Not saying you can't be skilled in an MMORPG, of course you can - all PvP is human vs human. You can have a smart EVE PvPer just like you can have a smart EQ PvPer just like every other MMO out there.
You have no "PvP" skills in MMO, that can't be learned by your average Joe if they had the time, and MMOs are far less about skill, far more about the time you invest to advance your character. You knows it.
Well as far as that go, I mean im a gamer at heart.. I was CAL-M about a year ago in CS:S and 1.6, I currently play Company of Heroes.. (best RTS ever made) and as far as MMO's are concerned its all about the ruining someone's day aspect that draws me to them.. and PvP skills can be acquired.. learning how to efficiently dispatch someone with the abilities given to you would be considered skills.. BUT i will give you this point.. time does sometimes.. sadly.. = ability. Dude, you are making me laugh again.. What pvp skills are aquired one or two shotting some lowbie just to ruin his day. These types of players are the "ULTIMATE" carebear. They have no balls so can only fight someone who has no chance. They run away when fighting someone who actually can be a challenge. These are also the same players with very low self-esteem. Because usually they are the first to troll forums with" OMGWTFIp0Wn3D that guy 10x at blah blah.. Im frigging Ubah!!". When in reality they are straight up pussies!
Heh, I may get a warning for this posts vulgarity. But had to point out the obvious reality of someone who says they pvp and doesnt know shit. Like I posted earlier. griefing is not pvp.
Perhaps you mean 3rd coming? The 2nd coming already happened = Xianity.
But seriously, why post about a game that is likened to the Christmas present that you get for a friend or relative that you never end up sending to them? Perhaps this company should hire me, I'll have this game released by Christmas, so that every child and their parent in America are playing it on December 26.
Well maybe not every one of them, but a few million no less.
[quote]Originally posted by Gameloading [ Every class can take on any class in WoW, if you know how to play it. Only people who can't pvp come up with "z0mg! [insert class here] is overpowered] or [that class is anti my class] excuse[/b][/quote]
You know this is not true... specially since the expansion where the classes are so unbalanced it makes you LOL but also since launch. And this becomes extremely annoying in the arena fights. There are lots of posts about pissed people in the official boards, since this should have been considered at beta and testings and not now in live. Nobody likes the nerfbats of the patches of last weeks.
Blizzard tried to repair and level the problem pre-expansion with the uber-raiding loot compared with the casual loot. But the unbalance between classes persists to worse and equipment continues being crucial.
PvP in mmorpgs (anything in this web) is absolutely not about skill. Go play a shot'em-up if you want skill... If you want to be god in an mmorpg just get the uber-epix loot and the fotm class.
[ Every class can take on any class in WoW, if you know how to play it. Only people who can't pvp come up with "z0mg! [insert class here] is overpowered] or [that class is anti my class] excuse[/b][/quote] You know this is not true... specially since the expansion where the classes are so unbalanced it makes you LOL but also since launch. And this becomes extremely annoying in the arena fights. There are lots of posts about pissed people in the official boards, since this should have been considered at beta and testings and not now in live. Nobody likes the nerfbats of the patches of last weeks. Blizzard tried to repair and level the problem pre-expansion with the uber-raiding loot compared with the casual loot. But the unbalance between classes persists to worse and equipment continues being crucial. PvP in mmorpgs (anything in this web) is absolutely not about skill. Go play a shot'em-up if you want skill... If you want to be god in an mmorpg just get the uber-epix loot and the fotm class.
it is very true actually. Blizzard did a decent job at balancing the classes.
World of Warcraft is NOT a ONE vs ONE PVP game. If you quit WoW because you thought 1v1 is imbalanced you are basically quitting it for a fundamental principle that governs WoW. 1v1 is imbalanced because PvP is GROUP oriented. If you're idea of a cool game is standing outside of Ironforge trying to duel anyone who walks by, then you've picked the wrong game. There is a reason that people who stand there are named things like "WTFPWN" "OWNSUHUNTR" etc. Those people are usually young and have nothing better to do.
When you enter a BG in WoW you are joing a cooperative PvP match. You are not a solo Night Elf hunter against the world. You are counting on the healer, tank, and other DPS in your PvP match to support you so that when a rogue ambushes you, slows you, and stun locks you, other members are there to stop him.
If you have some sort of vendetta against Blizzard or WoW, that's fine. What I can't stand is people who make assumptions because their Night Elf Hunter lost duels to a Paladin. Don't QQ about features in the game that aren't suppose to work the way you want.
This isn't WORLD OF DUELSOMEGUYOUTSIDEOFTOWNCRAFT.
If you want that go play Ultima Online. Or wait for Darkfall (which means go away forever)
[ Every class can take on any class in WoW, if you know how to play it. Only people who can't pvp come up with "z0mg! [insert class here] is overpowered] or [that class is anti my class] excuse[/b][/quote] You know this is not true... specially since the expansion where the classes are so unbalanced it makes you LOL but also since launch. And this becomes extremely annoying in the arena fights. There are lots of posts about pissed people in the official boards, since this should have been considered at beta and testings and not now in live. Nobody likes the nerfbats of the patches of last weeks. Blizzard tried to repair and level the problem pre-expansion with the uber-raiding loot compared with the casual loot. But the unbalance between classes persists to worse and equipment continues being crucial. PvP in mmorpgs (anything in this web) is absolutely not about skill. Go play a shot'em-up if you want skill... If you want to be god in an mmorpg just get the uber-epix loot and the fotm class.
it is very true actually. Blizzard did a decent job at balancing the classes.
I wouldn't go so far as to say Blizzard did a great job of class balance. Moreso that group PvP is pretty balanced if you know your role.
Take for example, Rogue vs. Priest. There is no way this battle is balanced. There are too many counters at the disposal of a rogue to ever be stranded against the might DoTs of a Priest. The best bet a Priest has is that fear goes off and both (if undead) fear breaking cooldowns are popped.
On the other hand, if a competant group has a Priest the rogue won't even touch him.
Heh. I find people who regard themselves as "true PvPers" to be rather comical Especially when you find out what their "skills" actually involve (ganking players that don't have a chance to fight back). I don't respect a "true" PvP player that claims to have "skills" just because he played an MMO that I haven't.
If you want to talk about real skill, FPS and RTS games is where the real skill is at. Not saying you can't be skilled in an MMORPG, of course you can - all PvP is human vs human. You can have a smart EVE PvPer just like you can have a smart EQ PvPer just like every other MMO out there.
You have no "PvP" skills in MMO, that can't be learned by your average Joe if they had the time, and MMOs are far less about skill, far more about the time you invest to advance your character. You knows it.
Well as far as that go, I mean im a gamer at heart.. I was CAL-M about a year ago in CS:S and 1.6, I currently play Company of Heroes.. (best RTS ever made) and as far as MMO's are concerned its all about the ruining someone's day aspect that draws me to them.. and PvP skills can be acquired.. learning how to efficiently dispatch someone with the abilities given to you would be considered skills.. BUT i will give you this point.. time does sometimes.. sadly.. = ability. Dude, you are making me laugh again.. What pvp skills are aquired one or two shotting some lowbie just to ruin his day. These types of players are the "ULTIMATE" carebear. They have no balls so can only fight someone who has no chance. They run away when fighting someone who actually can be a challenge. These are also the same players with very low self-esteem. Because usually they are the first to troll forums with" OMGWTFIp0Wn3D that guy 10x at blah blah.. Im frigging Ubah!!". When in reality they are straight up pussies!
Heh, I may get a warning for this posts vulgarity. But had to point out the obvious reality of someone who says they pvp and doesnt know shit. Like I posted earlier. griefing is not pvp. I said ABILITY.. not SKILL.. two different words for a reason.. just because a player has the ABILITY to kill you in two hits doesnt mean its SKILL.. I for one prefer to 1v1 as opposed to anything else. I never said a I actually despise group combat.. i think any two brain arse - hat with a index finger can win with help.. I only participate in it because thats the way of the world.. again your right griefing is not pvp.. and im not saying its skill im saying it happens.. get over it.. we all know who they are and what they do.. and how much skill they DONT have.
-clears throat- World of Warcraft is NOT a ONE vs ONE PVP game. If you quit WoW because you thought 1v1 is imbalanced you are basically quitting it for a fundamental principle that governs WoW. 1v1 is imbalanced because PvP is GROUP oriented. If you're idea of a cool game is standing outside of Ironforge trying to duel anyone who walks by, then you've picked the wrong game. There is a reason that people who stand there are named things like "WTFPWN" "OWNSUHUNTR" etc. Those people are usually young and have nothing better to do. When you enter a BG in WoW you are joing a cooperative PvP match. You are not a solo Night Elf hunter against the world. You are counting on the healer, tank, and other DPS in your PvP match to support you so that when a rogue ambushes you, slows you, and stun locks you, other members are there to stop him. If you have some sort of vendetta against Blizzard or WoW, that's fine. What I can't stand is people who make assumptions because their Night Elf Hunter lost duels to a Paladin. Don't QQ about features in the game that aren't suppose to work the way you want. This isn't WORLD OF DUELSOMEGUYOUTSIDEOFTOWNCRAFT. If you want that go play Ultima Online. Or wait for Darkfall (which means go away forever)
As i said group combat is the way of the world and im aware.. and btw.. this is a DARKFALL thread .. and yes i do have something against WoW..
Originally posted by daarco full loot and aligment will take away all gankers.
If you tell yourself that enough times, it may even come true.
On the other hand, I have a nonstop stream of throw away characters waiting to prove you wrong. Well, assuming the game ever comes out in the first place...
Which I'm sure it will, right after Duke Nukem Forever.
Originally posted by daarco We want DF because it have ALL good features from ALL good MMO
And unicorns! And bunnies! And free ice cream for everybody!
I'm not psychic, but I'll make a prediction: if it ever does get released, most of the "everything for everybody and twice on Sundays" feature list will prove to have melted away, "to be implemented in the updates".
Lead Gameplay and Gameworld Designer for a yet unnamed MMO Title. "When people tell me designing a game is easy, I try to get them to design a board game. Most people don't last 5 minutes, the rest rarely last more then a day. The final few realize it's neither fun nor easy."
There are many things Darkfall is doing to make it harder to Gank. If they do end up making it a SCS(single character server) game it will make it very unlikely to see gankers, as not many people will want there only character to be flaged a murderer as they will have very limited access to citys and the like. With out alts this wouldnt be very fun as most of you can surely imagine, also i duobt many people that do buy more then one account will be willing to use that additional character to grief, when they could make a craftin char ect..
I found this in UO, think you may of left it suberman... /emote hands suberman Tampon.
You're serious?? Its people like you that make me laugh.. what kind of a$s-hat uses emotes.. this is a thread not an RP server.. go play WoW or some MUD.. dont post that bullcrap on my ish..
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That about covers it I think.. Never played a mage. they are probably E-z Mode as well. The easiest of the E-Z mode classes in WOW pvp are Pally,Hunter,Warlock,Rogue..
Now for a real pvp experience DAOC or SWG pre-cu.! Yes there were gankers.but 8vs usually kept them clear. As for SWG, the BEST PVP experience I have ever played in a mmo EVER! No game current or past compares to it.
As to UO and AC I played AC for almost 2 years (1 year subbed with EQ and AC) UO I played for about 5 months. The hacks and griefers in that game got too crazy. Had nothing to do with carebear. The ultimate CAREBEAR/idiot is a griefer who camps lowbies right outside a noob town who usually ones shots those players for a few measly cps. The funny thing about these guys is when a compatable pvp player comes along to fight the griefer. They run away like chickens!! shitting the whole time. Please tell me bout CAREBEARs..kk
Darkfall has the makings of another UO with the carebear griefers/idiots. Ill wait for AOC or Warhammer!
Any game that relies on PvP as the main focus of the game will, in the end, not do as well as a game that plans for PvP but makes a mostly PvE game.
There are lots of things you can do with PvP, there are even a few games out there trying some of them. But without a solid PvE game that's protected to some extent from the ganker/griefer guilds, the users that will mostly pay the bills will dwindle and go to a more controlled enviroment.
I, personally, am a carebear. I admit it. But I enjoy a good PvP round with friends or even randoms. I don't enjoy grinding for Honor like WoW, and I don't enjoy getting ganked when I'm moving along and not bothering anybody. I realize both these scenerios happen on PvP servers and do very little complaining when it happens. In EVE I enjoyed the very controlled nature of the PvP through the different security zones: 1.0 space you could be attacked, but it was highly unlikely. AO was very similar in this respect, adding other gameplay elements to it.
However, any game that advertises as a fast paced twitch MMORPG with full loot might as well be Dark Messiah MMO. Or better yet: Savage 2.
Course, I guess you people that like Fantasy games have been waiting for something like that for awhile... the rest of us call it "First Person Shooters" like the Battlefield series.
- CaesarsGhost
Lead Gameplay and Gameworld Designer for a yet unnamed MMO Title.
"When people tell me designing a game is easy, I try to get them to design a board game. Most people don't last 5 minutes, the rest rarely last more then a day. The final few realize it's neither fun nor easy."
In AC and WOW I played both a regular and pvp server. we would camp griefers til they logged. Darkfall looks setup like a griefer heaven. Total turnoff for me. But can understand why idiot griefers would like the game.
For one.. pally is the ONLY solo class in the game unless you wanna kite someone all day.. and 2 I FULLY agree with you on that first part.. thats why hes only lvl 40.. and i never played him or any other character in WoW past that..I hope you were not serious...Yes i am.. what of it? Are you the WoW pro? Here to correct me.. and let me know some really useless information? 12 Year old kids play WoW and are considered good at it.. I dont care about WoW in the least bit.If the paladin is the ONLY class you can solo with, then you might want to drop gaming all together, it is clearly to difficult for you.
I don't mean to summon a giant vortex of quotes to crit you all but wtf ! ? ! ?
Seriously I can't believe you (xsubermanx) just stated that Paladin is the only class you can solo WoW with.
I have never in my entire forum surfing days seen anyone post anything close to what you just said.
WHAT THE F&%K BBQ ? ! ? ! ? !
Dota2 > Your mother
Dota2 > Your mother
In AC and WOW I played both a regular and pvp server. we would camp griefers til they logged. Darkfall looks setup like a griefer heaven. Total turnoff for me. But can understand why idiot griefers would like the game.
For one.. pally is the ONLY solo class in the game unless you wanna kite someone all day.. and 2 I FULLY agree with you on that first part.. thats why hes only lvl 40.. and i never played him or any other character in WoW past that..I hope you were not serious...Yes i am.. what of it? Are you the WoW pro? Here to correct me.. and let me know some really useless information? 12 Year old kids play WoW and are considered good at it.. I dont care about WoW in the least bit.If the paladin is the ONLY class you can solo with, then you might want to drop gaming all together, it is clearly to difficult for you.
I don't mean to summon a giant vortex of quotes to crit you all but wtf ! ? ! ?
Seriously I can't believe you (xsubermanx) just stated that Paladin is the only class you can solo WoW with.
I have never in my entire forum surfing days seen anyone post anything close to what you just said.
WHAT THE F&%K BBQ ? ! ? ! ? !
In AC and WOW I played both a regular and pvp server. we would camp griefers til they logged. Darkfall looks setup like a griefer heaven. Total turnoff for me. But can understand why idiot griefers would like the game.
For one.. pally is the ONLY solo class in the game unless you wanna kite someone all day.. and 2 I FULLY agree with you on that first part.. thats why hes only lvl 40.. and i never played him or any other character in WoW past that..I hope you were not serious...Yes i am.. what of it? Are you the WoW pro? Here to correct me.. and let me know some really useless information? 12 Year old kids play WoW and are considered good at it.. I dont care about WoW in the least bit.If the paladin is the ONLY class you can solo with, then you might want to drop gaming all together, it is clearly to difficult for you.
I don't mean to summon a giant vortex of quotes to crit you all but wtf ! ? ! ?
Seriously I can't believe you (xsubermanx) just stated that Paladin is the only class you can solo WoW with.
I have never in my entire forum surfing days seen anyone post anything close to what you just said.
WHAT THE F&%K BBQ ? ! ? ! ? !
All I can say is before you make anymore ridiculous comments bout pallies or WOW to make a effort to know WTF you are talking about. I have 2 70ies both on pvp servers. Pallies are not the 1v1 class of choice. As far as lowbie ganking.. I play Horde, Tarren Mill is camped by some rogue or druid most of the time. Isnt a big deal if you are a lowbie.
Heh, I may get a warning for this posts vulgarity. But had to point out the obvious reality of someone who says they pvp and doesnt know shit. Like I posted earlier. griefing is not pvp.
So called because its release is expected some time around the Second Coming.
Chris Mattern
Perhaps you mean 3rd coming? The 2nd coming already happened = Xianity.
But seriously, why post about a game that is likened to the Christmas present that you get for a friend or relative that you never end up sending to them? Perhaps this company should hire me, I'll have this game released by Christmas, so that every child and their parent in America are playing it on December 26.
Well maybe not every one of them, but a few million no less.
[quote]Originally posted by Gameloading
[ Every class can take on any class in WoW, if you know how to play it. Only people who can't pvp come up with "z0mg! [insert class here] is overpowered] or [that class is anti my class] excuse[/b][/quote]
You know this is not true... specially since the expansion where the classes are so unbalanced it makes you LOL but also since launch. And this becomes extremely annoying in the arena fights. There are lots of posts about pissed people in the official boards, since this should have been considered at beta and testings and not now in live. Nobody likes the nerfbats of the patches of last weeks.
Blizzard tried to repair and level the problem pre-expansion with the uber-raiding loot compared with the casual loot. But the unbalance between classes persists to worse and equipment continues being crucial.
PvP in mmorpgs (anything in this web) is absolutely not about skill. Go play a shot'em-up if you want skill... If you want to be god in an mmorpg just get the uber-epix loot and the fotm class.
Though I did find it fun for 4 years.
-clears throat-
World of Warcraft is NOT a ONE vs ONE PVP game. If you quit WoW because you thought 1v1 is imbalanced you are basically quitting it for a fundamental principle that governs WoW. 1v1 is imbalanced because PvP is GROUP oriented. If you're idea of a cool game is standing outside of Ironforge trying to duel anyone who walks by, then you've picked the wrong game. There is a reason that people who stand there are named things like "WTFPWN" "OWNSUHUNTR" etc. Those people are usually young and have nothing better to do.
When you enter a BG in WoW you are joing a cooperative PvP match. You are not a solo Night Elf hunter against the world. You are counting on the healer, tank, and other DPS in your PvP match to support you so that when a rogue ambushes you, slows you, and stun locks you, other members are there to stop him.
If you have some sort of vendetta against Blizzard or WoW, that's fine. What I can't stand is people who make assumptions because their Night Elf Hunter lost duels to a Paladin. Don't QQ about features in the game that aren't suppose to work the way you want.
This isn't WORLD OF DUELSOMEGUYOUTSIDEOFTOWNCRAFT.
If you want that go play Ultima Online. Or wait for Darkfall (which means go away forever)
Doktar - 70 Troll Priest - Perenolde
I wouldn't go so far as to say Blizzard did a great job of class balance. Moreso that group PvP is pretty balanced if you know your role.
Take for example, Rogue vs. Priest. There is no way this battle is balanced. There are too many counters at the disposal of a rogue to ever be stranded against the might DoTs of a Priest. The best bet a Priest has is that fear goes off and both (if undead) fear breaking cooldowns are popped.
On the other hand, if a competant group has a Priest the rogue won't even touch him.
Doktar - 70 Troll Priest - Perenolde
Heh, I may get a warning for this posts vulgarity. But had to point out the obvious reality of someone who says they pvp and doesnt know shit. Like I posted earlier. griefing is not pvp. I said ABILITY.. not SKILL.. two different words for a reason.. just because a player has the ABILITY to kill you in two hits doesnt mean its SKILL.. I for one prefer to 1v1 as opposed to anything else. I never said a I actually despise group combat.. i think any two brain arse - hat with a index finger can win with help.. I only participate in it because thats the way of the world.. again your right griefing is not pvp.. and im not saying its skill im saying it happens.. get over it.. we all know who they are and what they do.. and how much skill they DONT have.
Dota2 > Your mother
Dota2 > Your mother
Please dont say WoW and Darkfall in the same post
(%#*# now i did it too)
We want DF because it have ALL good features from ALL good MMO
And the devs dont take shit from anyone complaining "i want to solo"
The PvP will have the same intense feeling as WW2 Online have..but with swords.
And DF is way beyond UO...and the best part is: we will be able to bitchslap all people that pisses us of
And again...full loot and aligment will take away all gankers. You wont even heal up in §5 seconds after a fight..as in many other MMO.
So you dont want to hurt if someone would attack you...
If you tell yourself that enough times, it may even come true.
On the other hand, I have a nonstop stream of throw away characters waiting to prove you wrong. Well, assuming the game ever comes out in the first place...
Which I'm sure it will, right after Duke Nukem Forever.
And unicorns! And bunnies! And free ice cream for everybody!
I'm not psychic, but I'll make a prediction: if it ever does get released, most of the "everything for everybody and twice on Sundays" feature list will prove to have melted away, "to be implemented in the updates".
Chris Mattern
Im only in to this because i believe in it
And about gankers in DF....have you played WW2 Online?
Gankers dont even dare to show up there...and DF will be the same.
To gank, you need something to gank.....and there is nothing to gank in DF
- CaesarsGhost
Lead Gameplay and Gameworld Designer for a yet unnamed MMO Title.
"When people tell me designing a game is easy, I try to get them to design a board game. Most people don't last 5 minutes, the rest rarely last more then a day. The final few realize it's neither fun nor easy."
I found this in UO, think you may of left it suberman...
/emote hands suberman Tampon.
Dota2 > Your mother