Your obviously a payed shill hired to paint a pcture of doom & gloom aimed at deturring people from Vanguard. The funny thing is, no matter how hard you try, Vanguard will become one of the worlds biggest MMORPG's. It will just take time. Hell it took Everquest 3-4 years to hit 400k. Vanguard is already at 200k and it's only 2 months old. All the features are there. After 9 years of playing every MMORPG out there (18 of them) no game I have tried is this big, this deep and this chaulked full of content. There are some 80 dungeons (seen a fan-site list) but I have no idea how you'd explore them all over the next year. Everywhere I turn there is some hidden area with something to do. You could pass an area 20 times, then that one time you ride off the path (horse) and make a short-cut you stumble upon some rocks and notice in the cracks an opening to yet another DUNGEON...! There are mini, major and Epic proportion sized dungeons. I have come across some dungeons is sooooo big you can easily spend weeks in there. Awsome....! Build your own house.... awsome. Build your own boat... awsome. I do not have the cash yet to afford such luxuries, but I have been on others who do own such things, but it's kewl to explore and sail with other to a new continent or dungeon.
But here, a pic is worth a 1,000 words:
and another:
One of the World's biggest MMOs? Are you joking? It will become the biggest failure in MMO history and will be a warning to all other companies who release shoddy, half finished rubbish. It may have 200k subs but how many of those are active? I'll wager not too many and there'll be even less when LotRo releases and you can count on Conan, WAR et al taking whatever is left come Autumn. The fact that they are totally changing the game 2 months after launch is a pretty clear sign they are in trouble. The only way Vanguard could have lived is if it had stuck to its original design.
Think "outside the box" Vanguard is at the moment the biggest MMO this has nothing to do with succes, Big as in size.
Also you have no way of knowing the future untill it's past. Also the asumtion of LotrO coming will take Vanguad players away, i reality those that favour LotrO want a different kind of MMO instead of a MMORPG, there is nothing bad to say about LotrO it is a very nice sweet looking game, Conan also a very different game compared to Vanguard, the thing to be ported with th Xbox is a never before done thing, yeah we have the regular FF and some more mmo's on xbox but not ported to be played both on pc and hook up with your buddy on the Xbox (we'll see how that pans out) but again no real trheat for Vanguard. And well WAR, i know what kind of people that game will atract so absolutely no intrest in that game personaly.
Futhermore you keep telling about its original design, you mean what you have read on forums, or did you attend meetings at Sigil. Again look "outside the box" you really think a company will give you 100% details on a product they are working on. True some things are not worked out yet as we where told on forums, doesn't mean that the original concept is lost because of this.
Knowing the future has nothing to do with it, it's common sense. And speaking of knowing the future, how do you "know" what kind of people will enjoy WAR? I suspect people who enjoy a finished product that runs for more than an hour before dumping them to desktop. LotRo will steal many players from Vanguard, its just that simple. If Vanguard had stayed true to its design, it would have had a chance, but in a market filled with similar and far better, stable games it has none. It's fairly ignorant to act as if these changes were planned btw. If you really believe that, I feel truly sorry for you.
Think "outside the box" Vanguard is at the moment the biggest MMO this has nothing to do with succes, Big as in size.
Also you have no way of knowing the future untill it's past. Also the asumtion of LotrO coming will take Vanguad players away, i reality those that favour LotrO want a different kind of MMO instead of a MMORPG, there is nothing bad to say about LotrO it is a very nice sweet looking game, Conan also a very different game compared to Vanguard, the thing to be ported with th Xbox is a never before done thing, yeah we have the regular FF and some more mmo's on xbox but not ported to be played both on pc and hook up with your buddy on the Xbox (we'll see how that pans out) but again no real trheat for Vanguard. And well WAR, i know what kind of people that game will atract so absolutely no intrest in that game personaly.
Futhermore you keep telling about its original design, you mean what you have read on forums, or did you attend meetings at Sigil. Again look "outside the box" you really think a company will give you 100% details on a product they are working on. True some things are not worked out yet as we where told on forums, doesn't mean that the original concept is lost because of this.
Scientists, Analysts there all make asumptions to what the future will be like. So why would it make any differences when others asume utter destruction of an MMO. We all know it is going down hill and losing subscirbers by the day. It's too unfinished in a huge world, think D&L, this is where Vanguard will be heading shortly. And people wonder why i sometimes react a bit harse, well sorry people using the colour test just ask for it.
You need to get your facts straight before you post: Porting an MMORPG to a game console has and is already done, same thing with same server space. FFXI PS2, XBOX360, PC they all link together. Another fact is AoC has already commented that they have no clue if they will link the x360 to the PC servers. Thanks for sharing this information, to get it straight to YOU i never clamed what i said was fact about porting i was merly in the asumtion that it was not done before as i can't recall hearing about it. Other then i knew they both came on pc and xbox but i was unaware you could actualy hookup together with a xbox/pc. Will you please exuse me for not being ALL KNOWING!
LoTRO, AoC, WAR they are all the same genre as Vanguard, just different game machinics. The reason why people look to these games is because they have heard the amount of neglect towards this game. It's still unfinished and you people play to pay for beta. This is truely sad,have the companies walk all over you and we won't be expecting any better from the future.
What is truly sad is the asumtion that people even think a GAME company could even do such things to a person. I don't work for them bro, so they are not harming me in anyway nor do they have influence on how i spend my time, oh you mean the sub-fee i pay, well thats a mmorpg player for ya one that doesn't have to worry about that the money a sub-fee cost being spend on his hobby, are you really unable to accept some people will play games you don't like?
Your obviously a payed shill hired to paint a pcture of doom & gloom aimed at deturring people from Vanguard. The funny thing is, no matter how hard you try, Vanguard will become one of the worlds biggest MMORPG's. It will just take time. Hell it took Everquest 3-4 years to hit 400k. Vanguard is already at 200k and it's only 2 months old. All the features are there. After 9 years of playing every MMORPG out there (18 of them) no game I have tried is this big, this deep and this chaulked full of content. There are some 80 dungeons (seen a fan-site list) but I have no idea how you'd explore them all over the next year. Everywhere I turn there is some hidden area with something to do. You could pass an area 20 times, then that one time you ride off the path (horse) and make a short-cut you stumble upon some rocks and notice in the cracks an opening to yet another DUNGEON...! There are mini, major and Epic proportion sized dungeons. I have come across some dungeons is sooooo big you can easily spend weeks in there. Awsome....! Build your own house.... awsome. Build your own boat... awsome. I do not have the cash yet to afford such luxuries, but I have been on others who do own such things, but it's kewl to explore and sail with other to a new continent or dungeon.
But here, a pic is worth a 1,000 words:
and another:
One of the World's biggest MMOs? Are you joking? It will become the biggest failure in MMO history and will be a warning to all other companies who release shoddy, half finished rubbish. It may have 200k subs but how many of those are active? I'll wager not too many and there'll be even less when LotRo releases and you can count on Conan, WAR et al taking whatever is left come Autumn. The fact that they are totally changing the game 2 months after launch is a pretty clear sign they are in trouble. The only way Vanguard could have lived is if it had stuck to its original design.
Think "outside the box" Vanguard is at the moment the biggest MMO this has nothing to do with succes, Big as in size.
Also you have no way of knowing the future untill it's past. Also the asumtion of LotrO coming will take Vanguad players away, i reality those that favour LotrO want a different kind of MMO instead of a MMORPG, there is nothing bad to say about LotrO it is a very nice sweet looking game, Conan also a very different game compared to Vanguard, the thing to be ported with th Xbox is a never before done thing, yeah we have the regular FF and some more mmo's on xbox but not ported to be played both on pc and hook up with your buddy on the Xbox (we'll see how that pans out) but again no real trheat for Vanguard. And well WAR, i know what kind of people that game will atract so absolutely no intrest in that game personaly.
Futhermore you keep telling about its original design, you mean what you have read on forums, or did you attend meetings at Sigil. Again look "outside the box" you really think a company will give you 100% details on a product they are working on. True some things are not worked out yet as we where told on forums, doesn't mean that the original concept is lost because of this.
Knowing the future has nothing to do with it, it's common sense. And speaking of knowing the future, how do you "know" what kind of people will enjoy WAR? I suspect people who enjoy a finished product that runs for more than an hour before dumping them to desktop. LotRo will steal many players from Vanguard, its just that simple. If Vanguard had stayed true to its design, it would have had a chance, but in a market filled with similar and far better, stable games it has none. It's fairly ignorant to act as if these changes were planned btw. If you really believe that, I feel truly sorry for you.
I dont know who will "enjoy " WAR as i did not say that, i do know what kind of people are atracted to it just by reading the forums and especialy from those socalled "haters that speak about WAR" sorry not my kind of players to be with, they probebly feel the same bout me...i hope :P and please read the part where i said " I KNOW" i know isn't fact for you nor should it be read as fact to someone else cause we all think differently and like i said only time will tell. And the things is i don't care what they tell or write on plannes i play the game and like it, when i don't feel i'm having fun with it i leave the game, thats it, really simple as that.
Thanks for feeling sorry for me but trust me you don't have to
Your obviously a payed shill hired to paint a pcture of doom & gloom aimed at deturring people from Vanguard. The funny thing is, no matter how hard you try, Vanguard will become one of the worlds biggest MMORPG's. It will just take time. Hell it took Everquest 3-4 years to hit 400k. Vanguard is already at 200k and it's only 2 months old. All the features are there. After 9 years of playing every MMORPG out there (18 of them) no game I have tried is this big, this deep and this chaulked full of content. There are some 80 dungeons (seen a fan-site list) but I have no idea how you'd explore them all over the next year. Everywhere I turn there is some hidden area with something to do. You could pass an area 20 times, then that one time you ride off the path (horse) and make a short-cut you stumble upon some rocks and notice in the cracks an opening to yet another DUNGEON...! There are mini, major and Epic proportion sized dungeons. I have come across some dungeons is sooooo big you can easily spend weeks in there. Awsome....! Build your own house.... awsome. Build your own boat... awsome. I do not have the cash yet to afford such luxuries, but I have been on others who do own such things, but it's kewl to explore and sail with other to a new continent or dungeon.
But here, a pic is worth a 1,000 words:
and another:
One of the World's biggest MMOs? Are you joking? It will become the biggest failure in MMO history and will be a warning to all other companies who release shoddy, half finished rubbish. It may have 200k subs but how many of those are active? I'll wager not too many and there'll be even less when LotRo releases and you can count on Conan, WAR et al taking whatever is left come Autumn. The fact that they are totally changing the game 2 months after launch is a pretty clear sign they are in trouble. The only way Vanguard could have lived is if it had stuck to its original design.
Your obviously a payed shill hired to paint a pcture of doom & gloom aimed at deturring people from Vanguard. The funny thing is, no matter how hard you try, Vanguard will become one of the worlds biggest MMORPG's. It will just take time. Hell it took Everquest 3-4 years to hit 400k. Vanguard is already at 200k and it's only 2 months old. All the features are there. After 9 years of playing every MMORPG out there (18 of them) no game I have tried is this big, this deep and this chaulked full of content. There are some 80 dungeons (seen a fan-site list) but I have no idea how you'd explore them all over the next year. Everywhere I turn there is some hidden area with something to do. You could pass an area 20 times, then that one time you ride off the path (horse) and make a short-cut you stumble upon some rocks and notice in the cracks an opening to yet another DUNGEON...! There are mini, major and Epic proportion sized dungeons. I have come across some dungeons is sooooo big you can easily spend weeks in there. Awsome....! Build your own house.... awsome. Build your own boat... awsome. I do not have the cash yet to afford such luxuries, but I have been on others who do own such things, but it's kewl to explore and sail with other to a new continent or dungeon.
But here, a pic is worth a 1,000 words:
and another:
One of the World's biggest MMOs? Are you joking? It will become the biggest failure in MMO history and will be a warning to all other companies who release shoddy, half finished rubbish. It may have 200k subs but how many of those are active? I'll wager not too many and there'll be even less when LotRo releases and you can count on Conan, WAR et al taking whatever is left come Autumn. The fact that they are totally changing the game 2 months after launch is a pretty clear sign they are in trouble. The only way Vanguard could have lived is if it had stuck to its original design.
Think "outside the box" Vanguard is at the moment the biggest MMO this has nothing to do with succes, Big as in size.
Also you have no way of knowing the future untill it's past. Also the asumtion of LotrO coming will take Vanguad players away, i reality those that favour LotrO want a different kind of MMO instead of a MMORPG, there is nothing bad to say about LotrO it is a very nice sweet looking game, Conan also a very different game compared to Vanguard, the thing to be ported with th Xbox is a never before done thing, yeah we have the regular FF and some more mmo's on xbox but not ported to be played both on pc and hook up with your buddy on the Xbox (we'll see how that pans out) but again no real trheat for Vanguard. And well WAR, i know what kind of people that game will atract so absolutely no intrest in that game personaly.
Futhermore you keep telling about its original design, you mean what you have read on forums, or did you attend meetings at Sigil. Again look "outside the box" you really think a company will give you 100% details on a product they are working on. True some things are not worked out yet as we where told on forums, doesn't mean that the original concept is lost because of this.
Knowing the future has nothing to do with it, it's common sense. And speaking of knowing the future, how do you "know" what kind of people will enjoy WAR? I suspect people who enjoy a finished product that runs for more than an hour before dumping them to desktop. LotRo will steal many players from Vanguard, its just that simple. If Vanguard had stayed true to its design, it would have had a chance, but in a market filled with similar and far better, stable games it has none. It's fairly ignorant to act as if these changes were planned btw. If you really believe that, I feel truly sorry for you.
Again, whats your past history of MMORPG's.. ?
Nothing, and I mean NOTHING out there (or in the pipe) offers anything new except Vanguard. LOTR is nothing more than DAOC with a Tolkien theme. Been there done that. And YES, I will buy the game and play it for a little while..... because I have too. I fell in love with J.R.R. Tolkein about 28 years ago. So many people in the industry will BUY the up-and-comming games. We just won't stay there.
Look what happened to D&D Online...! Almost everyone from Everquest, DAOC, EQ2 bought it and tried it out. Flop! Just like we al bought Saga of Ryzom, Anarchy Online, SWG...etc Vanguard is a "mainstay" product. A backbone of the MMORPG community. It's a shame that many of the people here don't understand this.
YES, there is alot of turmoil in the MMORPG industry with many new MMORPG's being released. But Everquest has survived them all. Even the Ten-ton-gorilla called WoW. Everquest ownz World of Warcraft, just because Blizzard became an instant success from a marketing standpoint doesnt mean that World Of Warcraft has staying power. Hell, the new expansion just came out and people are already max level and DONE.
So understanding the industry and the ebb and flow of subs... all comes down to a game that has a great premis and the technology to pull it off. Vanguard will weather the storm and still be here next year collecting subs slowly as other refugees find a true world to call home.
This younger crowd and their ADD mentality is rediculious. Their buying power can't be ignored, but their staying power is NIL. They want to "finish" Vangaurd quickly so they don't have to choose between that in the next MMORPG, thinking once their done with LOTR they'll move to Warhammer. 3 years from now, after they have have "grown up" their going to end up right back @ Vanguard. Just like we all did with Everquest.
Thats what this younger more vocal community doesnt understand. WE <------- have played them all and in the end we reluctantly called SOE up and re-activated our EQ accounts and found even more to do with old friends. All those other MMORPG were speedbumps. EQ's been STEADY for 8 years! WoW's #'s are going to decline in the comming months/years. Vanguard's game world and mechanics are geared for the long-term. The core part of the community already commited to the long haul. We'll just be all high level with massive boats and 4 Acre Guild Halls, overlooking the Ocean, by the time you get back to playing the game. And thats when the whinning will start all over.... because you'll want to be as uber as those people, but you will not want to put in the TIME required to become an elder living in the world of Telon.
Your obviously a payed shill hired to paint a pcture of doom & gloom aimed at deturring people from Vanguard. The funny thing is, no matter how hard you try, Vanguard will become one of the worlds biggest MMORPG's. It will just take time. Hell it took Everquest 3-4 years to hit 400k. Vanguard is already at 200k and it's only 2 months old. All the features are there. After 9 years of playing every MMORPG out there (18 of them) no game I have tried is this big, this deep and this chaulked full of content. There are some 80 dungeons (seen a fan-site list) but I have no idea how you'd explore them all over the next year. Everywhere I turn there is some hidden area with something to do. You could pass an area 20 times, then that one time you ride off the path (horse) and make a short-cut you stumble upon some rocks and notice in the cracks an opening to yet another DUNGEON...! There are mini, major and Epic proportion sized dungeons. I have come across some dungeons is sooooo big you can easily spend weeks in there. Awsome....! Build your own house.... awsome. Build your own boat... awsome. I do not have the cash yet to afford such luxuries, but I have been on others who do own such things, but it's kewl to explore and sail with other to a new continent or dungeon.
But here, a pic is worth a 1,000 words:
and another:
One of the World's biggest MMOs? Are you joking? It will become the biggest failure in MMO history and will be a warning to all other companies who release shoddy, half finished rubbish. It may have 200k subs but how many of those are active? I'll wager not too many and there'll be even less when LotRo releases and you can count on Conan, WAR et al taking whatever is left come Autumn. The fact that they are totally changing the game 2 months after launch is a pretty clear sign they are in trouble. The only way Vanguard could have lived is if it had stuck to its original design.
Think "outside the box" Vanguard is at the moment the biggest MMO this has nothing to do with succes, Big as in size.
Also you have no way of knowing the future untill it's past. Also the asumtion of LotrO coming will take Vanguad players away, i reality those that favour LotrO want a different kind of MMO instead of a MMORPG, there is nothing bad to say about LotrO it is a very nice sweet looking game, Conan also a very different game compared to Vanguard, the thing to be ported with th Xbox is a never before done thing, yeah we have the regular FF and some more mmo's on xbox but not ported to be played both on pc and hook up with your buddy on the Xbox (we'll see how that pans out) but again no real trheat for Vanguard. And well WAR, i know what kind of people that game will atract so absolutely no intrest in that game personaly.
Futhermore you keep telling about its original design, you mean what you have read on forums, or did you attend meetings at Sigil. Again look "outside the box" you really think a company will give you 100% details on a product they are working on. True some things are not worked out yet as we where told on forums, doesn't mean that the original concept is lost because of this.
Knowing the future has nothing to do with it, it's common sense. And speaking of knowing the future, how do you "know" what kind of people will enjoy WAR? I suspect people who enjoy a finished product that runs for more than an hour before dumping them to desktop. LotRo will steal many players from Vanguard, its just that simple. If Vanguard had stayed true to its design, it would have had a chance, but in a market filled with similar and far better, stable games it has none. It's fairly ignorant to act as if these changes were planned btw. If you really believe that, I feel truly sorry for you.
Again, whats your past history of MMORPG's.. ?
Nothing, and I mean NOTHING out there (or in the pipe) offers anything new except Vanguard. LOTR is nothing more than DAOC with a Tolkien theme. Been there done that. And YES, I will buy the game and play it for a little while..... because I have too. I fell in love with J.R.R. Tolkein about 28 years ago. So many people in the industry will BUY the up-and-comming games. We just won't stay there.
Look what happened to D&D Online...! Almost everyone from Everquest, DAOC, EQ2 bought it and tried it out. Flop! Just like we al bought Saga of Ryzom, Anarchy Online, SWG...etc Vanguard is a "mainstay" product. A backbone of the MMORPG community. It's a shame that many of the people here don't understand this.
YES, there is alot of turmoil in the MMORPG industry with many new MMORPG's being released. But Everquest has survived them all. Even the Ten-ton-gorilla called WoW. Everquest ownz World of Warcraft, just because Blizzard became an instant success from a marketing standpoint doesnt mean that World Of Warcraft has staying power. Hell, the new expansion just came out and people are already max level and DONE.
So understanding the industry and the ebb and flow of subs... all comes down to a game that has a great premis and the technology to pull it off. Vanguard will weather the storm and still be here next year collecting subs slowly as other refugees find a true world to call home.
This younger crowd and their ADD mentality is rediculious. Their buying power can't be ignored, but their staying power is NIL. They want to "finish" Vangaurd quickly so they don't have to choose between that in the next MMORPG, thinking once their done with LOTR they'll move to Warhammer. 3 years from now, after they have have "grown up" their going to end up right back @ Vanguard. Just like we all did with Everquest.
Thats what this younger more vocal community doesnt understand. WE <------- have played them all and in the end we reluctantly called SOE up and re-activated our EQ accounts and found even more to do with old friends. All those other MMORPG were speedbumps. EQ's been STEADY for 8 years! WoW's #'s are going to decline in the comming months/years. Vanguard's game world and mechanics are geared for the long-term. The core part of the community already commited to the long haul. We'll just be all high level with massive boats and 4 Acre Guild Halls, overlooking the Ocean, by the time you get back to playing the game. And thats when the whinning will start all over.... because you'll want to be as uber as those people, but you will not want to put in the TIME required to become an elder living in the world of Telon.
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Earth to Zvorak - put in the time? At the rate they are noobing the game you wont need to be putting much time in at all. Now instead of boating around the huge empty world with no lore or story you can simply teleport around it. How exactly is the game geared for the long term? You mean that it might work in 2 or 3 years? I'm glad you aren't running any businesses I'm involved in. That's a fairly childish plan and this from a guy who seems to think his age is some hugely relevant factor in this equation. What you fail to realise is that many of us tried very hard to like Vanguard and I have played MMOs since UO FYI, so you can lose the patronizing tone. VG is a joke, and it wont be gaining subs in a year from now, want to know why? Conan, WAR, LotRo, POTBS etc. Since you can't release a game in any worse state than Vanguard was in, I must conclude that these will all release very strongly. This is definitely true of LotRO. It felt like a release worthy game months ago, unlike VG which still doesn't 3 months AFTER its launch.
You go have fun with your broken, buggy and utterly pathetic game. Run around in the vast .... oooops Teleport around in the vast empty world full of weird graphic artifacts and no Anti Aliasing, silly quests that do not constitute a more elaborate story, but are merely a weak alternative to grinding. You see, I used to bash LotRo and try to defend VG but you can't polish a t**d. Gamers want games with rich immersive game worlds and elaborate storylines, not huge expanses of nothing and excuse after excuse from the developer. You may be right, VG might be around in a year, but lets face it, SWG is still around as well. That doesn't mean it's a success or that anyone plays it.
At one point I was a hard core gamer. In EQI days I fought with friends over their absences for EQ group nights, I played pretty much every day and many times all day Saturday and Sunday if possible. Eventually I got bored and frustrated after two years and tried out DAOC and really enjoyed it but ended up going back to EQI because the wife didn't like DAOC. Then we had a baby and were playing WOW and my wife got to where she would play less and less and eventually I quit WOW. I planned ahead with Vanguard and joined a guild early but the game is so tedious and with a three year old in tow I found myself being very disappointed with the gameplay when faced with only two to three hour sessions.
I say all this to say that probably very few of the hardcore folks from EQI still exist. If they do exist only the single ones without children can probably play for six hours at a time which is required if you want to tackle dungeons in Vanguard with corpse runs and quick spawns. You will die and XP will be slow. I might enjoy that if I was at another point in life but I'm not. On the other hand the hardcore gamers are going to be ticked if you convert the game to a converted casual gamer style that might make me play.
All in all if you release buggy and then continue to stay buggy and unstable and you also flip flop XP, death penalties, class abilities, porting and travel speeds weekly back and forth, then chances are you will please no one. Too many games are coming out. I would love to stick with a game for 4 years again like EQI but I probably won't unless something comes out with enough polish and interest to hold my attention. Instead Vanguard ticks different gamers off every patch as they change gameplay and leave bugs in. The casuals leave due to horrible death penalities added in on one patch and then the hardcore leave when the XP is speeded up on the next. By not releasing with a clear vision and a polished product, sadly Vanguard gives the apperance of not knowing what the hell they're doing and just trying something every patch to hold some subscribers and gain some more. It's is almost a mirror image of EQII. Make it like WOW and the old fans leave, make it like EQI and the newer fans will leave. Keep flip flopping back and forth and lose a few more each patch. By beta 2 or 3 general gameplay should have been solidified but instead the game was so buggy that you couldn't get enough people in the game to judge things like XP or Death penalties.
I won't predict it's doom because apparently even Matrix and Dark and Light are still around and the SOE all-access pass might also keep it going. It just would be nice if a game would pick a style and stick to their guns. No one wants to spend four years playing a game anymore because games like SWG and EQII and now Vanguard jump around constantly trying to do anything they can to gain more subscribers and they forget that the subscribers they had may have liked the thing the way it was.
Originally posted by Zvorak This younger crowd and their ADD mentality is rediculious. Their buying power can't be ignored, but their staying power is NIL. They want to "finish" Vangaurd quickly so they don't have to choose between that in the next MMORPG, thinking once their done with LOTR they'll move to Warhammer. 3 years from now, after they have have "grown up" their going to end up right back @ Vanguard. Just like we all did with Everquest.
Thats what this younger more vocal community doesnt understand. WE <------- have played them all and in the end we reluctantly called SOE up and re-activated our EQ accounts and found even more to do with old friends. All those other MMORPG were speedbumps. EQ's been STEADY for 8 years! WoW's #'s are going to decline in the comming months/years. Vanguard's game world and mechanics are geared for the long-term. The core part of the community already commited to the long haul. We'll just be all high level with massive boats and 4 Acre Guild Halls, overlooking the Ocean, by the time you get back to playing the game. And thats when the whinning will start all over.... because you'll want to be as uber as those people, but you will not want to put in the TIME required to become an elder living in the world of Telon.
Well, unless the d.o.b on my drivers license is a typo, I was born in 1972. I have no interest in playing LotRO I played EQ from Kunark to Luclin, and tried going back after LDoN came out, which only lasted 3 weeks.
I played Vanguard for 1 month, and about 1-2 weeks. I didn't find anything there that made me feel any interest in staying. I didn't find much there that made me feel any interest in logging in for the remaining 3 weeks of the 2nd month which I had paid for. I'd been there, and played that back in 2001 in a game called EQ. Nothing exciting to me about a rehash of gameplay ideas nearly a decade old.
But hey, you wanna sit alone in your ivory tower, and feel superior, patting yourself on the back for your maturity and wisdom, while you toss off insults calling everyone else children, be my guest.
they will cut down on the work force, then ull start to see unfixable bugs cause coders work very diffrently and it tages a while for a new guy to get a clue how the old one did and so on.. the list is long on whats gonna happen, its obvious that VG came we saw and it lost its gonna be the mediocre kid on the block for a few years before we start to see desperate pricecuts and 14day trial offers every week with new news on gamesites "we have improved soooo much since release we have added x and y"
Well, unless the d.o.b on my drivers license is a typo, I was born in 1972. I have no interest in playing LotRO I played EQ from Kunark to Luclin, and tried going back after LDoN came out, which only lasted 3 weeks.
That sounds familiar, except I was born in 1973. Today, in fact-- I'm now 34. Heh.
And my EQ experiences lasted from launch to Ykesha, and I gave it another go with LDoN, but that didn't last either. As for LOTRO, I've had a beta invitation to it for months, but I never installed or even downloaded the client, just because I wasn't interested in the game. I might play a free trial of it down the line, just to give the game a look-see, but I'm not in a rush to try it now.
I played Vanguard for 1 month, and about 1-2 weeks. I didn't find anything there that made me feel any interest in staying. I didn't find much there that made me feel any interest in logging in for the remaining 3 weeks of the 2nd month which I had paid for. I'd been there, and played that back in 2001 in a game called EQ. Nothing exciting to me about a rehash of gameplay ideas nearly a decade old.
I played Vanguard for about six weeks in beta, trying to find the diamond in the rough. I finally had to give up because my patience was tested daily with the game, mostly due to my old system, which exceeded the Minimum specs, but not the Recommended ones. I then gave it another go last month in a free trial, and with a brand new upgraded system. Still wasn't moved to buy the game.
There IS the potential for greatness in Vanguard. The shell is there for an amazing game. It's just that the execution was lousy. Sigil poorly managed their time and resources, and it showed. The world felt cold, and lifeless, and I just couldn't bring myself to play it anymore.
It's a shame, really. The potential was there, but the game was not.
But hey, you wanna sit alone in your ivory tower, and feel superior, patting yourself on the back for your maturity and wisdom, while you toss off insults calling everyone else children, be my guest.
I always love posts like that. They make me laugh.
Well, unless the d.o.b on my drivers license is a typo, I was born in 1972. I have no interest in playing LotRO I played EQ from Kunark to Luclin, and tried going back after LDoN came out, which only lasted 3 weeks.
That sounds familiar, except I was born in 1973. Today, in fact-- I'm now 34. Heh.
And my EQ experiences lasted from launch to Ykesha, and I gave it another go with LDoN, but that didn't last either. As for LOTRO, I've had a beta invitation to it for months, but I never installed or even downloaded the client, just because I wasn't interested in the game. I might play a free trial of it down the line, just to give the game a look-see, but I'm not in a rush to try it now.
I played Vanguard for 1 month, and about 1-2 weeks. I didn't find anything there that made me feel any interest in staying. I didn't find much there that made me feel any interest in logging in for the remaining 3 weeks of the 2nd month which I had paid for. I'd been there, and played that back in 2001 in a game called EQ. Nothing exciting to me about a rehash of gameplay ideas nearly a decade old.
I played Vanguard for about six weeks in beta, trying to find the diamond in the rough. I finally had to give up because my patience was tested daily with the game, mostly due to my old system, which exceeded the Minimum specs, but not the Recommended ones. I then gave it another go last month in a free trial, and with a brand new upgraded system. Still wasn't moved to buy the game.
There IS the potential for greatness in Vanguard. The shell is there for an amazing game. It's just that the execution was lousy. Sigil poorly managed their time and resources, and it showed. The world felt cold, and lifeless, and I just couldn't bring myself to play it anymore.
It's a shame, really. The potential was there, but the game was not.
But hey, you wanna sit alone in your ivory tower, and feel superior, patting yourself on the back for your maturity and wisdom, while you toss off insults calling everyone else children, be my guest.
I always love posts like that. They make me laugh.
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I always have to laugh at the posts where people are upset because they feel they wasted their money upgrading or buying a new system to play Vanguard. I bought a new system, and can also enjoy Company of Heroes, Oblivion, and hope to enjoy other future games. Waste of my money, I think not, just seems it was time to upgrade.
I also think there is alot of potential in Vanguard, just poor execution. I stopped playing after a month, still have it installed on my hard drive, and may revist it in 6-12 months. Right now I am really not impressed with the progress Sigil is making, and have declined to pay a subscription fee until they deliver a product I feel is acceptable. So, I continue to read the forums for a chuckle now and then, and to gauge the changes......
I always have to laugh at the posts where people are upset because they feel they wasted their money upgrading or buying a new system to play Vanguard. I bought a new system, and can also enjoy Company of Heroes, Oblivion, and hope to enjoy other future games. Waste of my money, I think not, just seems it was time to upgrade.
For me, it was just time to upgrade. My old system was dying anyhow, since I made the idiotic mistake of buying cheaply the last time. This time around, I built myself a system that would let me play a lot of the newer games out now, and which was flexible enough for me to further upgrade later, maybe through a faster CPU, or better graphics, etc.
I didn't upgrade for Vanguard, but I gave VG another go after upgrading because of the constant refrain of the uber system needed to run the game. My system could run the game at max settings at mostly playable FPS unless I ended up near other players, which was a rather perverse irony for an MMO. I just wasn't impressed with how the game looked. Maybe I'm just jaded like that.
I also think there is alot of potential in Vanguard, just poor execution. I stopped playing after a month, still have it installed on my hard drive, and may revist it in 6-12 months. Right now I am really not impressed with the progress Sigil is making, and have declined to pay a subscription fee until they deliver a product I feel is acceptable. So, I continue to read the forums for a chuckle now and then, and to gauge the changes...
I uninstalled it, but that's my thing. I didn't see the need to keep the game around if I wasn't going to play it. Maybe in a year, they'll get it together for Vanguard. And hopefully by then, they'll have a free trial out there for people. The shell is there, but not the game, and I'm sure I'll give it another look in a year to see how it's evolved.
As for the forums, I'm a sucker for drama, so I still follow this place. And I'm interested in seeing how things evolve over time. It will be interesting to see what happens to Vanguard over these next few months.
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One of the World's biggest MMOs? Are you joking? It will become the biggest failure in MMO history and will be a warning to all other companies who release shoddy, half finished rubbish. It may have 200k subs but how many of those are active? I'll wager not too many and there'll be even less when LotRo releases and you can count on Conan, WAR et al taking whatever is left come Autumn. The fact that they are totally changing the game 2 months after launch is a pretty clear sign they are in trouble. The only way Vanguard could have lived is if it had stuck to its original design.
Think "outside the box" Vanguard is at the moment the biggest MMO this has nothing to do with succes, Big as in size.
Also you have no way of knowing the future untill it's past. Also the asumtion of LotrO coming will take Vanguad players away, i reality those that favour LotrO want a different kind of MMO instead of a MMORPG, there is nothing bad to say about LotrO it is a very nice sweet looking game, Conan also a very different game compared to Vanguard, the thing to be ported with th Xbox is a never before done thing, yeah we have the regular FF and some more mmo's on xbox but not ported to be played both on pc and hook up with your buddy on the Xbox (we'll see how that pans out) but again no real trheat for Vanguard. And well WAR, i know what kind of people that game will atract so absolutely no intrest in that game personaly.
Futhermore you keep telling about its original design, you mean what you have read on forums, or did you attend meetings at Sigil. Again look "outside the box" you really think a company will give you 100% details on a product they are working on. True some things are not worked out yet as we where told on forums, doesn't mean that the original concept is lost because of this.
Knowing the future has nothing to do with it, it's common sense. And speaking of knowing the future, how do you "know" what kind of people will enjoy WAR? I suspect people who enjoy a finished product that runs for more than an hour before dumping them to desktop. LotRo will steal many players from Vanguard, its just that simple. If Vanguard had stayed true to its design, it would have had a chance, but in a market filled with similar and far better, stable games it has none. It's fairly ignorant to act as if these changes were planned btw. If you really believe that, I feel truly sorry for you.
Scientists, Analysts there all make asumptions to what the future will be like. So why would it make any differences when others asume utter destruction of an MMO. We all know it is going down hill and losing subscirbers by the day. It's too unfinished in a huge world, think D&L, this is where Vanguard will be heading shortly. And people wonder why i sometimes react a bit harse, well sorry people using the colour test just ask for it.
You need to get your facts straight before you post: Porting an MMORPG to a game console has and is already done, same thing with same server space. FFXI PS2, XBOX360, PC they all link together. Another fact is AoC has already commented that they have no clue if they will link the x360 to the PC servers. Thanks for sharing this information, to get it straight to YOU i never clamed what i said was fact about porting i was merly in the asumtion that it was not done before as i can't recall hearing about it. Other then i knew they both came on pc and xbox but i was unaware you could actualy hookup together with a xbox/pc. Will you please exuse me for not being ALL KNOWING!
LoTRO, AoC, WAR they are all the same genre as Vanguard, just different game machinics. The reason why people look to these games is because they have heard the amount of neglect towards this game. It's still unfinished and you people play to pay for beta. This is truely sad, have the companies walk all over you and we won't be expecting any better from the future.
What is truly sad is the asumtion that people even think a GAME company could even do such things to a person. I don't work for them bro, so they are not harming me in anyway nor do they have influence on how i spend my time, oh you mean the sub-fee i pay, well thats a mmorpg player for ya one that doesn't have to worry about that the money a sub-fee cost being spend on his hobby, are you really unable to accept some people will play games you don't like?
One of the World's biggest MMOs? Are you joking? It will become the biggest failure in MMO history and will be a warning to all other companies who release shoddy, half finished rubbish. It may have 200k subs but how many of those are active? I'll wager not too many and there'll be even less when LotRo releases and you can count on Conan, WAR et al taking whatever is left come Autumn. The fact that they are totally changing the game 2 months after launch is a pretty clear sign they are in trouble. The only way Vanguard could have lived is if it had stuck to its original design.
Think "outside the box" Vanguard is at the moment the biggest MMO this has nothing to do with succes, Big as in size.
Also you have no way of knowing the future untill it's past. Also the asumtion of LotrO coming will take Vanguad players away, i reality those that favour LotrO want a different kind of MMO instead of a MMORPG, there is nothing bad to say about LotrO it is a very nice sweet looking game, Conan also a very different game compared to Vanguard, the thing to be ported with th Xbox is a never before done thing, yeah we have the regular FF and some more mmo's on xbox but not ported to be played both on pc and hook up with your buddy on the Xbox (we'll see how that pans out) but again no real trheat for Vanguard. And well WAR, i know what kind of people that game will atract so absolutely no intrest in that game personaly.
Futhermore you keep telling about its original design, you mean what you have read on forums, or did you attend meetings at Sigil. Again look "outside the box" you really think a company will give you 100% details on a product they are working on. True some things are not worked out yet as we where told on forums, doesn't mean that the original concept is lost because of this.
Knowing the future has nothing to do with it, it's common sense. And speaking of knowing the future, how do you "know" what kind of people will enjoy WAR? I suspect people who enjoy a finished product that runs for more than an hour before dumping them to desktop. LotRo will steal many players from Vanguard, its just that simple. If Vanguard had stayed true to its design, it would have had a chance, but in a market filled with similar and far better, stable games it has none. It's fairly ignorant to act as if these changes were planned btw. If you really believe that, I feel truly sorry for you.
I dont know who will "enjoy " WAR as i did not say that, i do know what kind of people are atracted to it just by reading the forums and especialy from those socalled "haters that speak about WAR" sorry not my kind of players to be with, they probebly feel the same bout me...i hope :P and please read the part where i said " I KNOW" i know isn't fact for you nor should it be read as fact to someone else cause we all think differently and like i said only time will tell. And the things is i don't care what they tell or write on plannes i play the game and like it, when i don't feel i'm having fun with it i leave the game, thats it, really simple as that.
Thanks for feeling sorry for me but trust me you don't have to
One of the World's biggest MMOs? Are you joking? It will become the biggest failure in MMO history and will be a warning to all other companies who release shoddy, half finished rubbish. It may have 200k subs but how many of those are active? I'll wager not too many and there'll be even less when LotRo releases and you can count on Conan, WAR et al taking whatever is left come Autumn. The fact that they are totally changing the game 2 months after launch is a pretty clear sign they are in trouble. The only way Vanguard could have lived is if it had stuck to its original design.
Shark,
I'd like to ask you 1 question:
One of the World's biggest MMOs? Are you joking? It will become the biggest failure in MMO history and will be a warning to all other companies who release shoddy, half finished rubbish. It may have 200k subs but how many of those are active? I'll wager not too many and there'll be even less when LotRo releases and you can count on Conan, WAR et al taking whatever is left come Autumn. The fact that they are totally changing the game 2 months after launch is a pretty clear sign they are in trouble. The only way Vanguard could have lived is if it had stuck to its original design.
Think "outside the box" Vanguard is at the moment the biggest MMO this has nothing to do with succes, Big as in size.
Also you have no way of knowing the future untill it's past. Also the asumtion of LotrO coming will take Vanguad players away, i reality those that favour LotrO want a different kind of MMO instead of a MMORPG, there is nothing bad to say about LotrO it is a very nice sweet looking game, Conan also a very different game compared to Vanguard, the thing to be ported with th Xbox is a never before done thing, yeah we have the regular FF and some more mmo's on xbox but not ported to be played both on pc and hook up with your buddy on the Xbox (we'll see how that pans out) but again no real trheat for Vanguard. And well WAR, i know what kind of people that game will atract so absolutely no intrest in that game personaly.
Futhermore you keep telling about its original design, you mean what you have read on forums, or did you attend meetings at Sigil. Again look "outside the box" you really think a company will give you 100% details on a product they are working on. True some things are not worked out yet as we where told on forums, doesn't mean that the original concept is lost because of this.
Knowing the future has nothing to do with it, it's common sense. And speaking of knowing the future, how do you "know" what kind of people will enjoy WAR? I suspect people who enjoy a finished product that runs for more than an hour before dumping them to desktop. LotRo will steal many players from Vanguard, its just that simple. If Vanguard had stayed true to its design, it would have had a chance, but in a market filled with similar and far better, stable games it has none. It's fairly ignorant to act as if these changes were planned btw. If you really believe that, I feel truly sorry for you.
Again, whats your past history of MMORPG's.. ?
Nothing, and I mean NOTHING out there (or in the pipe) offers anything new except Vanguard. LOTR is nothing more than DAOC with a Tolkien theme. Been there done that. And YES, I will buy the game and play it for a little while..... because I have too. I fell in love with J.R.R. Tolkein about 28 years ago. So many people in the industry will BUY the up-and-comming games. We just won't stay there.
Look what happened to D&D Online...! Almost everyone from Everquest, DAOC, EQ2 bought it and tried it out. Flop! Just like we al bought Saga of Ryzom, Anarchy Online, SWG...etc Vanguard is a "mainstay" product. A backbone of the MMORPG community. It's a shame that many of the people here don't understand this.
YES, there is alot of turmoil in the MMORPG industry with many new MMORPG's being released. But Everquest has survived them all. Even the Ten-ton-gorilla called WoW. Everquest ownz World of Warcraft, just because Blizzard became an instant success from a marketing standpoint doesnt mean that World Of Warcraft has staying power. Hell, the new expansion just came out and people are already max level and DONE.
So understanding the industry and the ebb and flow of subs... all comes down to a game that has a great premis and the technology to pull it off. Vanguard will weather the storm and still be here next year collecting subs slowly as other refugees find a true world to call home.
This younger crowd and their ADD mentality is rediculious. Their buying power can't be ignored, but their staying power is NIL. They want to "finish" Vangaurd quickly so they don't have to choose between that in the next MMORPG, thinking once their done with LOTR they'll move to Warhammer. 3 years from now, after they have have "grown up" their going to end up right back @ Vanguard. Just like we all did with Everquest.
Thats what this younger more vocal community doesnt understand. WE <------- have played them all and in the end we reluctantly called SOE up and re-activated our EQ accounts and found even more to do with old friends. All those other MMORPG were speedbumps. EQ's been STEADY for 8 years! WoW's #'s are going to decline in the comming months/years. Vanguard's game world and mechanics are geared for the long-term. The core part of the community already commited to the long haul. We'll just be all high level with massive boats and 4 Acre Guild Halls, overlooking the Ocean, by the time you get back to playing the game. And thats when the whinning will start all over.... because you'll want to be as uber as those people, but you will not want to put in the TIME required to become an elder living in the world of Telon.
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One of the World's biggest MMOs? Are you joking? It will become the biggest failure in MMO history and will be a warning to all other companies who release shoddy, half finished rubbish. It may have 200k subs but how many of those are active? I'll wager not too many and there'll be even less when LotRo releases and you can count on Conan, WAR et al taking whatever is left come Autumn. The fact that they are totally changing the game 2 months after launch is a pretty clear sign they are in trouble. The only way Vanguard could have lived is if it had stuck to its original design.
Think "outside the box" Vanguard is at the moment the biggest MMO this has nothing to do with succes, Big as in size.
Also you have no way of knowing the future untill it's past. Also the asumtion of LotrO coming will take Vanguad players away, i reality those that favour LotrO want a different kind of MMO instead of a MMORPG, there is nothing bad to say about LotrO it is a very nice sweet looking game, Conan also a very different game compared to Vanguard, the thing to be ported with th Xbox is a never before done thing, yeah we have the regular FF and some more mmo's on xbox but not ported to be played both on pc and hook up with your buddy on the Xbox (we'll see how that pans out) but again no real trheat for Vanguard. And well WAR, i know what kind of people that game will atract so absolutely no intrest in that game personaly.
Futhermore you keep telling about its original design, you mean what you have read on forums, or did you attend meetings at Sigil. Again look "outside the box" you really think a company will give you 100% details on a product they are working on. True some things are not worked out yet as we where told on forums, doesn't mean that the original concept is lost because of this.
Knowing the future has nothing to do with it, it's common sense. And speaking of knowing the future, how do you "know" what kind of people will enjoy WAR? I suspect people who enjoy a finished product that runs for more than an hour before dumping them to desktop. LotRo will steal many players from Vanguard, its just that simple. If Vanguard had stayed true to its design, it would have had a chance, but in a market filled with similar and far better, stable games it has none. It's fairly ignorant to act as if these changes were planned btw. If you really believe that, I feel truly sorry for you.
Again, whats your past history of MMORPG's.. ?
Nothing, and I mean NOTHING out there (or in the pipe) offers anything new except Vanguard. LOTR is nothing more than DAOC with a Tolkien theme. Been there done that. And YES, I will buy the game and play it for a little while..... because I have too. I fell in love with J.R.R. Tolkein about 28 years ago. So many people in the industry will BUY the up-and-comming games. We just won't stay there.
Look what happened to D&D Online...! Almost everyone from Everquest, DAOC, EQ2 bought it and tried it out. Flop! Just like we al bought Saga of Ryzom, Anarchy Online, SWG...etc Vanguard is a "mainstay" product. A backbone of the MMORPG community. It's a shame that many of the people here don't understand this.
YES, there is alot of turmoil in the MMORPG industry with many new MMORPG's being released. But Everquest has survived them all. Even the Ten-ton-gorilla called WoW. Everquest ownz World of Warcraft, just because Blizzard became an instant success from a marketing standpoint doesnt mean that World Of Warcraft has staying power. Hell, the new expansion just came out and people are already max level and DONE.
So understanding the industry and the ebb and flow of subs... all comes down to a game that has a great premis and the technology to pull it off. Vanguard will weather the storm and still be here next year collecting subs slowly as other refugees find a true world to call home.
This younger crowd and their ADD mentality is rediculious. Their buying power can't be ignored, but their staying power is NIL. They want to "finish" Vangaurd quickly so they don't have to choose between that in the next MMORPG, thinking once their done with LOTR they'll move to Warhammer. 3 years from now, after they have have "grown up" their going to end up right back @ Vanguard. Just like we all did with Everquest.
Thats what this younger more vocal community doesnt understand. WE <------- have played them all and in the end we reluctantly called SOE up and re-activated our EQ accounts and found even more to do with old friends. All those other MMORPG were speedbumps. EQ's been STEADY for 8 years! WoW's #'s are going to decline in the comming months/years. Vanguard's game world and mechanics are geared for the long-term. The core part of the community already commited to the long haul. We'll just be all high level with massive boats and 4 Acre Guild Halls, overlooking the Ocean, by the time you get back to playing the game. And thats when the whinning will start all over.... because you'll want to be as uber as those people, but you will not want to put in the TIME required to become an elder living in the world of Telon.
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Earth to Zvorak - put in the time? At the rate they are noobing the game you wont need to be putting much time in at all. Now instead of boating around the huge empty world with no lore or story you can simply teleport around it. How exactly is the game geared for the long term? You mean that it might work in 2 or 3 years? I'm glad you aren't running any businesses I'm involved in. That's a fairly childish plan and this from a guy who seems to think his age is some hugely relevant factor in this equation. What you fail to realise is that many of us tried very hard to like Vanguard and I have played MMOs since UO FYI, so you can lose the patronizing tone. VG is a joke, and it wont be gaining subs in a year from now, want to know why? Conan, WAR, LotRo, POTBS etc. Since you can't release a game in any worse state than Vanguard was in, I must conclude that these will all release very strongly. This is definitely true of LotRO. It felt like a release worthy game months ago, unlike VG which still doesn't 3 months AFTER its launch.
You go have fun with your broken, buggy and utterly pathetic game. Run around in the vast .... oooops Teleport around in the vast empty world full of weird graphic artifacts and no Anti Aliasing, silly quests that do not constitute a more elaborate story, but are merely a weak alternative to grinding. You see, I used to bash LotRo and try to defend VG but you can't polish a t**d. Gamers want games with rich immersive game worlds and elaborate storylines, not huge expanses of nothing and excuse after excuse from the developer. You may be right, VG might be around in a year, but lets face it, SWG is still around as well. That doesn't mean it's a success or that anyone plays it.
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At one point I was a hard core gamer. In EQI days I fought with friends over their absences for EQ group nights, I played pretty much every day and many times all day Saturday and Sunday if possible. Eventually I got bored and frustrated after two years and tried out DAOC and really enjoyed it but ended up going back to EQI because the wife didn't like DAOC. Then we had a baby and were playing WOW and my wife got to where she would play less and less and eventually I quit WOW. I planned ahead with Vanguard and joined a guild early but the game is so tedious and with a three year old in tow I found myself being very disappointed with the gameplay when faced with only two to three hour sessions.
I say all this to say that probably very few of the hardcore folks from EQI still exist. If they do exist only the single ones without children can probably play for six hours at a time which is required if you want to tackle dungeons in Vanguard with corpse runs and quick spawns. You will die and XP will be slow. I might enjoy that if I was at another point in life but I'm not. On the other hand the hardcore gamers are going to be ticked if you convert the game to a converted casual gamer style that might make me play.
All in all if you release buggy and then continue to stay buggy and unstable and you also flip flop XP, death penalties, class abilities, porting and travel speeds weekly back and forth, then chances are you will please no one. Too many games are coming out. I would love to stick with a game for 4 years again like EQI but I probably won't unless something comes out with enough polish and interest to hold my attention. Instead Vanguard ticks different gamers off every patch as they change gameplay and leave bugs in. The casuals leave due to horrible death penalities added in on one patch and then the hardcore leave when the XP is speeded up on the next. By not releasing with a clear vision and a polished product, sadly Vanguard gives the apperance of not knowing what the hell they're doing and just trying something every patch to hold some subscribers and gain some more. It's is almost a mirror image of EQII. Make it like WOW and the old fans leave, make it like EQI and the newer fans will leave. Keep flip flopping back and forth and lose a few more each patch. By beta 2 or 3 general gameplay should have been solidified but instead the game was so buggy that you couldn't get enough people in the game to judge things like XP or Death penalties.
I won't predict it's doom because apparently even Matrix and Dark and Light are still around and the SOE all-access pass might also keep it going. It just would be nice if a game would pick a style and stick to their guns. No one wants to spend four years playing a game anymore because games like SWG and EQII and now Vanguard jump around constantly trying to do anything they can to gain more subscribers and they forget that the subscribers they had may have liked the thing the way it was.
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Well, unless the d.o.b on my drivers license is a typo, I was born in 1972. I have no interest in playing LotRO I played EQ from Kunark to Luclin, and tried going back after LDoN came out, which only lasted 3 weeks.
I played Vanguard for 1 month, and about 1-2 weeks. I didn't find anything there that made me feel any interest in staying. I didn't find much there that made me feel any interest in logging in for the remaining 3 weeks of the 2nd month which I had paid for. I'd been there, and played that back in 2001 in a game called EQ. Nothing exciting to me about a rehash of gameplay ideas nearly a decade old.
But hey, you wanna sit alone in your ivory tower, and feel superior, patting yourself on the back for your maturity and wisdom, while you toss off insults calling everyone else children, be my guest.
EverQuest 2 Part II!? z0MG!!!!!
....Vision...HA.
That sounds familiar, except I was born in 1973. Today, in fact-- I'm now 34. Heh.
And my EQ experiences lasted from launch to Ykesha, and I gave it another go with LDoN, but that didn't last either. As for LOTRO, I've had a beta invitation to it for months, but I never installed or even downloaded the client, just because I wasn't interested in the game. I might play a free trial of it down the line, just to give the game a look-see, but I'm not in a rush to try it now.
I played Vanguard for about six weeks in beta, trying to find the diamond in the rough. I finally had to give up because my patience was tested daily with the game, mostly due to my old system, which exceeded the Minimum specs, but not the Recommended ones. I then gave it another go last month in a free trial, and with a brand new upgraded system. Still wasn't moved to buy the game.
There IS the potential for greatness in Vanguard. The shell is there for an amazing game. It's just that the execution was lousy. Sigil poorly managed their time and resources, and it showed. The world felt cold, and lifeless, and I just couldn't bring myself to play it anymore.
It's a shame, really. The potential was there, but the game was not.
I always love posts like that. They make me laugh.
That sounds familiar, except I was born in 1973. Today, in fact-- I'm now 34. Heh.
And my EQ experiences lasted from launch to Ykesha, and I gave it another go with LDoN, but that didn't last either. As for LOTRO, I've had a beta invitation to it for months, but I never installed or even downloaded the client, just because I wasn't interested in the game. I might play a free trial of it down the line, just to give the game a look-see, but I'm not in a rush to try it now.
I played Vanguard for about six weeks in beta, trying to find the diamond in the rough. I finally had to give up because my patience was tested daily with the game, mostly due to my old system, which exceeded the Minimum specs, but not the Recommended ones. I then gave it another go last month in a free trial, and with a brand new upgraded system. Still wasn't moved to buy the game.
There IS the potential for greatness in Vanguard. The shell is there for an amazing game. It's just that the execution was lousy. Sigil poorly managed their time and resources, and it showed. The world felt cold, and lifeless, and I just couldn't bring myself to play it anymore.
It's a shame, really. The potential was there, but the game was not.
I always love posts like that. They make me laugh.
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I always have to laugh at the posts where people are upset because they feel they wasted their money upgrading or buying a new system to play Vanguard. I bought a new system, and can also enjoy Company of Heroes, Oblivion, and hope to enjoy other future games. Waste of my money, I think not, just seems it was time to upgrade.
I also think there is alot of potential in Vanguard, just poor execution. I stopped playing after a month, still have it installed on my hard drive, and may revist it in 6-12 months. Right now I am really not impressed with the progress Sigil is making, and have declined to pay a subscription fee until they deliver a product I feel is acceptable. So, I continue to read the forums for a chuckle now and then, and to gauge the changes......
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For me, it was just time to upgrade. My old system was dying anyhow, since I made the idiotic mistake of buying cheaply the last time. This time around, I built myself a system that would let me play a lot of the newer games out now, and which was flexible enough for me to further upgrade later, maybe through a faster CPU, or better graphics, etc.
I didn't upgrade for Vanguard, but I gave VG another go after upgrading because of the constant refrain of the uber system needed to run the game. My system could run the game at max settings at mostly playable FPS unless I ended up near other players, which was a rather perverse irony for an MMO. I just wasn't impressed with how the game looked. Maybe I'm just jaded like that.
I uninstalled it, but that's my thing. I didn't see the need to keep the game around if I wasn't going to play it. Maybe in a year, they'll get it together for Vanguard. And hopefully by then, they'll have a free trial out there for people. The shell is there, but not the game, and I'm sure I'll give it another look in a year to see how it's evolved.
As for the forums, I'm a sucker for drama, so I still follow this place. And I'm interested in seeing how things evolve over time. It will be interesting to see what happens to Vanguard over these next few months.