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  • VodunVodun Member UncommonPosts: 87

    Have lost all my info on the beta forums after the last Microsoft patch wiped out my Outlook folders I had them stored in.

    The general design idea I proposed or more so was disappointed not to see was a faster paced game. Where you quickly got involved in the action taking place in the world of Middle Earth during this turbulent time.

    My idea was to be quickly thrust into combat against orc raiders defending a town against attack with a group of other players, not even being aware the players helping me were real people or just AI. After the battle was won you would rest and recover in a common place where all players of similar race and/or level would re-equip, train, form a fellowship and then take on the next adventure together.

    Instead I am placed in a world where nothing is happening that needed my urgent attention, OK, can you collect 5 hides and then gather some berries. This is hardly high adventure and combat during the War of The Ring.

    This idea would have involved more instanced gameplay of course, which was a bad word I guess.

  • Mars505Mars505 Member Posts: 623
    Are you for real ? Or you pulling my leg ?

    Cause if you are for real , I will just bite my tongue and tell you , that I hope you have fun in your next beta. LOL

    who me ?

  • vingvegavingvega Member Posts: 577

    I was in Closed Beta and thought it was a horrible MMO and uninstalled it.  I commenced bahing it, which I shouldn't have and decided to give the open beta a shot and see what was improved since closed.  I was actually impressed and I am playing it now.  What else is out there right now? Nothing.  The MMO world is dried up until Warhammer, AOC, etc. ccome out.  Sure you can continue to play boring WoW, or play some of those freebie asian point/click, grind games.  I wanted something different.  I tried every free game, I tried the trial for Vanguard which made me laugh because instead of a step forward in next gen mmo's it was a step back.  So if this is all I got to play, i'm playing it.  I think it's actually better than before even though I think Monster PVP is garbage, everything else seems interesting.

     

  • KazzerKazzer Member Posts: 648
    the 2 years i followed this game, i was exited, but after i tried it, it was so damn boring
  • MagicMintMagicMint Member Posts: 15
    I think it has awesome graphics, solid game-play, cool looking items and fun quests. However, it doesn't feel like The Lord of The Rings, when I play it. Just feels like another mmorpg.
  • AlienovrlordAlienovrlord Member Posts: 1,525
    Originally posted by MagicMint 

    However, it doesn't feel like The Lord of The Rings, when I play it. Just feels like another mmorpg.

    I just started and I have to admit Turbine is trying hard with the game.  For me, sometimes I get a Lord of the Rings feel, but then other times it just gets lost - like when you see characters mindlessly grinding animals on your way to a collection of craftsmen who are standing in the middle of a snowy mountain path for no other apparent reason but to be there for the characters crowded around them.

    The moments like when you get to meet Elrond for the first time are cool but these just make those jarring 'return to the MMORPG-world' moments worse.    I'll keep trying the game just to see how it feels - I want to try all the races and as many classes as possible.

    I can see this game developing a devoted following and unlike Vanguard I can actually understand the reasons if this happens.   But I can also understand if other people find this isn't their cup of tea.     

  • Nomad1Nomad1 Member Posts: 8
    Originally posted by Mars505

    Originally posted by Arioc



    Delicate details in the enviornment and characters. I know not everyone likes WoW or Oblivions art style but things read well from a distance, while in this game I often felt things were busy, flat or too dull till I was right upon them. There was very little radial flora in some areas with a very flat looking grass texture, while others had it in abundence. Clearly the enviornment artists put alot of time into some areas and left others bland and untouched. Unfortunatly those bland and untouched ares were some I saw very early in the game and along the roads. For all the bells and whistles the terrain looked kinda low polygone with all the hard edges I saw. The terrain looked over-optomized (poly-wise), exposing alot of flat surfaces and such.

    -Arioc
    Here is the part that totally blew your post. You really blew your troll cover with this...



    I will understand objective critiquing , but you are basically talking out your butt  

    So... because you disagree with him, you are calling him a troll??



    Grow up.
  • M1sf1tM1sf1t Member UncommonPosts: 1,583

    If that is all that's bad with this game then that isn't much IMHO. Seriously I take it for what it is and that is a MMO with LOTR lore and theme. I'd suggest if you want a more open world then I'd try a sand box game like EvE or Vangaurd. I don't think any game can truly capture the feel of LOTR books. It's just not possible with todays technology.

    Other then people not "feeling" the game there is nothing wrong with this title. It does everything correctly and what it does not do right you can over look and be assured that it's not that major and can be fixed. After being witness to the disaster that was Vangaurd and being so bored with WoW, WoW's community and WoW's mundane grind inspired end game I need something new.

    Frankly I like the quests and like being involved in a quest little more deeper then I was in WoW. I like and having npcs act as if there is something important going on even if it's scripted. Guess what that is how you design NPC's and what they do and say with scripts. Completely autonomous AI that is life like is not something that is easy to pull off especially in a MMO game.

    As for the opening noob introductions and noob questing zones I think they are good IMHO. I can see though how someone looking for a sand box MMO will not like this game. If you are looking for a sand box type game I'd suggest you give Vanguard, Saga of Ryzom, Second life, Lineage 2 or EvE-Online a try.

    For me this a good title to hold me over until Warhammer Online comes out. That is what I am truly looking forward to and if I happened to get to really into LOTRO just as much as WAR then that's an added bonus IMHO.

    Games I've played/tried out:WAR, LOTRO, Tabula Rasa, AoC, EQ1, EQ2, WoW, Vangaurd, FFXI, D&DO, Lineage 2, Saga Of Ryzom, EvE Online, DAoC, Guild Wars,Star Wars Galaxies, Hell Gate London, Auto Assault, Grando Espada ( AKA SoTNW ), Archlord, CoV/H, Star Trek Online, APB, Champions Online, FFXIV, Rift Online, GW2.

    Game(s) I Am Currently Playing:

    GW2 (+LoL and BF3)

  • Mars505Mars505 Member Posts: 623

    who me ?

  • slippyCslippyC Member Posts: 396
    The graphics are pretty good, but the animations kind of have me laughing.  The human looks like he has hemroids or something.



    It isn't a bad game by any means, it is just to plain for my liking.  The combat flashies, were a little to basic for my taste too.



    I did like the quests though and I'm not much of a quest junkie these days(so that says a good bit).





    Personally, I like VG a lot better(it is more immersive and grittier world).  If it wasn't for the performance issues for a lot of people, I think the game would have done pretty well.

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  • Mars505Mars505 Member Posts: 623
    Originally posted by slippyC

    The graphics are pretty good, but the animations kind of have me laughing.  The human looks like he has hemroids or something.



    It isn't a bad game by any means, it is just to plain for my liking.  The combat flashies, were a little to basic for my taste too.



    I did like the quests though and I'm not much of a quest junkie these days(so that says a good bit).





    Personally, I like VG a lot better(it is more immersive and grittier world).  If it wasn't for the performance issues for a lot of people, I think the game would have done pretty well.
    Speaking of game animation, I love vanguards one and only animation for hit impact. For every single monster and player character, this is only one hit animation. I call it "archey back"  But that is cool if you think the animations in LotRO are far inferior to anything Vanguard has to offer, glad you brought us all into the light with your animation fact.



    I'm an animation freak, and I can honestly say some of the mobs jaws from LoTRO have more frames of animation then all of Vanguards mobs put together. but then again, nothing can compare to the awe inspiring "archey back" animations of the next gen

    who me ?

  • pablo0713pablo0713 Member Posts: 78
    This game does not feel like I'm in Middle Earth. The graphics are far too low-poly, 3-4 years old. There's nothing new here. Same old blah fantasy MMO. I was totally put off by seeing Gandalf in the first minute of playing this game. A lame attempt at making the player feel like they are partaking in something epic. But the reality is that like any other MMO, all you'll be doing is going from one quest to another gaining experience with the occasional monster play to break up the monotony. I also hate instancing, so yeah, having to load up just to go into a building or dungeon is a TOTAL immersion killer. Ah well, I guess I'll play it until the open beta ends, but I highly doubt I'll change my mind about this game. Maybe one day they'll make a sandbox Middle Earth. I can dream, can't I?

    Lets Eat It!

  • pablo0713pablo0713 Member Posts: 78
    Originally posted by Mars505

    Originally posted by slippyC

    The graphics are pretty good, but the animations kind of have me laughing.  The human looks like he has hemroids or something.



    It isn't a bad game by any means, it is just to plain for my liking.  The combat flashies, were a little to basic for my taste too.



    I did like the quests though and I'm not much of a quest junkie these days(so that says a good bit).





    Personally, I like VG a lot better(it is more immersive and grittier world).  If it wasn't for the performance issues for a lot of people, I think the game would have done pretty well.
    Speaking of game animation, I love vanguards one and only animation for hit impact. For every single monster and player character, this is only one hit animation. I call it "archey back"  But that is cool if you think the animations in LotRO are far inferior to anything Vanguard has to offer, glad you brought us all into the light with your animation fact.



    I'm an animation freak, and I can honestly say some of the mobs jaws from LoTRO have more frames of animation then all of Vanguards mobs put together. but then again, nothing can compare to the awe inspiring "archey back" animations of the next gen

    Actually, if you play both games side-by-side both in highest render quality, Vanguard has smoother looking character models. LotR is far too blocky for my tastes. As far as animation goes, both game do well in that department. There are certainly more animation moves in Vanguard than you suggest. I should know, I play the game among other MMOs.

    Lets Eat It!

  • M1sf1tM1sf1t Member UncommonPosts: 1,583


    Originally posted by pablo0713
    This game does not feel like I'm in Middle Earth. The graphics are far too low-poly, 3-4 years old. There's nothing new here. Same old blah fantasy MMO. I was totally put off by seeing Gandalf in the first minute of playing this game. A lame attempt at making the player feel like they are partaking in something epic. But the reality is that like any other MMO, all you'll be doing is going from one quest to another gaining experience with the occasional monster play to break up the monotony. I also hate instancing, so yeah, having to load up just to go into a building or dungeon is a TOTAL immersion killer. Ah well, I guess I'll play it until the open beta ends, but I highly doubt I'll change my mind about this game. Maybe one day they'll make a sandbox Middle Earth. I can dream, can't I?


    Seriously why not just play EvE-Online, Saga of Ryzom, Vanguard, Lineage 2 or Second Life if you want a sand-box game? I mean if this isn't your style of MMO play then why keep playing?

    Games I've played/tried out:WAR, LOTRO, Tabula Rasa, AoC, EQ1, EQ2, WoW, Vangaurd, FFXI, D&DO, Lineage 2, Saga Of Ryzom, EvE Online, DAoC, Guild Wars,Star Wars Galaxies, Hell Gate London, Auto Assault, Grando Espada ( AKA SoTNW ), Archlord, CoV/H, Star Trek Online, APB, Champions Online, FFXIV, Rift Online, GW2.

    Game(s) I Am Currently Playing:

    GW2 (+LoL and BF3)

  • pablo0713pablo0713 Member Posts: 78
    Originally posted by M1sf1t


     

    Originally posted by pablo0713

    This game does not feel like I'm in Middle Earth. The graphics are far too low-poly, 3-4 years old. There's nothing new here. Same old blah fantasy MMO. I was totally put off by seeing Gandalf in the first minute of playing this game. A lame attempt at making the player feel like they are partaking in something epic. But the reality is that like any other MMO, all you'll be doing is going from one quest to another gaining experience with the occasional monster play to break up the monotony. I also hate instancing, so yeah, having to load up just to go into a building or dungeon is a TOTAL immersion killer. Ah well, I guess I'll play it until the open beta ends, but I highly doubt I'll change my mind about this game. Maybe one day they'll make a sandbox Middle Earth. I can dream, can't I?



    Seriously why not just play EvE-Online, Saga of Ryzom, Vanguard, Lineage 2 or Second Life if you want a sand-box game? I mean if this isn't your style of MMO play then why keep playing?



    Just because a game is not my cup of tea doesn't mean I still can't enjoy it. I just won't devote as much time to it as a game that I do enjoy more. And, yes, I do play one or two of those sandbox games. All I am saying is that it would be nice to have a sandboxy Middle Earth type virtual world. You know, a virtual world with gaming elements as opposed to a game with a world as its backdrop.

    Lets Eat It!

  • M1sf1tM1sf1t Member UncommonPosts: 1,583


    Originally posted by pablo0713

    Originally posted by M1sf1t




    Originally posted by pablo0713
    This game does not feel like I'm in Middle Earth. The graphics are far too low-poly, 3-4 years old. There's nothing new here. Same old blah fantasy MMO. I was totally put off by seeing Gandalf in the first minute of playing this game. A lame attempt at making the player feel like they are partaking in something epic. But the reality is that like any other MMO, all you'll be doing is going from one quest to another gaining experience with the occasional monster play to break up the monotony. I also hate instancing, so yeah, having to load up just to go into a building or dungeon is a TOTAL immersion killer. Ah well, I guess I'll play it until the open beta ends, but I highly doubt I'll change my mind about this game. Maybe one day they'll make a sandbox Middle Earth. I can dream, can't I?

    Seriously why not just play EvE-Online, Saga of Ryzom, Vanguard, Lineage 2 or Second Life if you want a sand-box game? I mean if this isn't your style of MMO play then why keep playing?


    Just because a game is not my cup of tea doesn't mean I still can't enjoy it. I just won't devote as much time to it as a game that I do enjoy more. And, yes, I do play one or two of those sandbox games. All I am saying is that it would be nice to have a sandboxy Middle Earth type virtual world. You know, a virtual world with gaming elements as opposed to a game with a world as its backdrop.


    Well it'd be nice if I had a million dollars and if Warhammer Online was released today but it ain't going to happen anytime soon. It also sounds like you are not enjoying this game at all from your original posting.

    Games I've played/tried out:WAR, LOTRO, Tabula Rasa, AoC, EQ1, EQ2, WoW, Vangaurd, FFXI, D&DO, Lineage 2, Saga Of Ryzom, EvE Online, DAoC, Guild Wars,Star Wars Galaxies, Hell Gate London, Auto Assault, Grando Espada ( AKA SoTNW ), Archlord, CoV/H, Star Trek Online, APB, Champions Online, FFXIV, Rift Online, GW2.

    Game(s) I Am Currently Playing:

    GW2 (+LoL and BF3)

  • WizzioidWizzioid Member Posts: 53
    U do it's based on the books and not the movies right ?

    Currently Playing: Nothing
    Cancelled: WoW, COH/COV
    Looking Forward To: LOTRO
    Preorderd: LOTRO

    .::A7X::.

  • xAlrythxxAlrythx Member Posts: 585
    Originally posted by pablo0713

    This game does not feel like I'm in Middle Earth. The graphics are far too low-poly, 3-4 years old. There's nothing new here. Same old blah fantasy MMO. I was totally put off by seeing Gandalf in the first minute of playing this game. A lame attempt at making the player feel like they are partaking in something epic. But the reality is that like any other MMO, all you'll be doing is going from one quest to another gaining experience with the occasional monster play to break up the monotony. I also hate instancing, so yeah, having to load up just to go into a building or dungeon is a TOTAL immersion killer. Ah well, I guess I'll play it until the open beta ends, but I highly doubt I'll change my mind about this game. Maybe one day they'll make a sandbox Middle Earth. I can dream, can't I?



    Well you have no idea what instancing is.

    Graphics are subjective but to say they are 3-4 years old?

    The game has a high resolution client, most likely being made fully public at release, if not soon.

    I won't be playing this game at release. Looking forward to future endeavors in the fantasy mmo department.

    Currently Playing: Everything but MMORPGs
    Cancelled: L2, FFXI, VSoH, LotRO, WAR, WoW
    Looking Forward To: SW:TOR

  • killer4hirekiller4hire Member Posts: 57

    I wish this game good luck just for the fact that they are gonna release a very nice-looking, grapcically polished game.  However, from my experiences, this game has some flaws that may prove fatal before long.  First, the quest writing (outside the main quest line) is just plain lame to me.  I won't go too far into this, as I have before in my posts, and I think that everyone here that has played knows what I'm talking about.  Second, they bombard you with so many different skills and traits, that before long, it feels way too easy.  After lvl 15-20, you'll struggle to see a skill or a trait as a real accomplishment.  I just didn't feel like I really earned anything after awhile.  Lastly, most of the gear in the game just looks stupid to me.  They nearly perfected the way that water should look in a game, but I can clearly see the neglect when they were modeling the gear in the game.  Since there is a lack of definitive armor sets, its hard to find gear that may match, and if it does match, half of it will most likely not be the best armor available to you, or several levels weaker than the rest of your gear.  These are all just my views on the game, and I will say that while I have some strong negatives, I still think this game may survive for quite some time just because it look s so good environmentally, it has the strong following of the LOTR name, and its still in beta, and a lot of things can be fixed or changed before it's release.  It needs more changes than fixes IMO.

     

  • killer4hirekiller4hire Member Posts: 57
    Originally posted by xAlrythx

    Originally posted by pablo0713

    This game does not feel like I'm in Middle Earth. The graphics are far too low-poly, 3-4 years old. There's nothing new here. Same old blah fantasy MMO. I was totally put off by seeing Gandalf in the first minute of playing this game. A lame attempt at making the player feel like they are partaking in something epic. But the reality is that like any other MMO, all you'll be doing is going from one quest to another gaining experience with the occasional monster play to break up the monotony. I also hate instancing, so yeah, having to load up just to go into a building or dungeon is a TOTAL immersion killer. Ah well, I guess I'll play it until the open beta ends, but I highly doubt I'll change my mind about this game. Maybe one day they'll make a sandbox Middle Earth. I can dream, can't I?



    Well you have no idea what instancing is.

    Graphics are subjective but to say they are 3-4 years old?

    The game has a high resolution client, most likely being made fully public at release, if not soon.

    I won't be playing this game at release. Looking forward to future endeavors in the fantasy mmo department.

    The entire main (epic) quest line is instanced.
  • killer4hirekiller4hire Member Posts: 57
    Originally posted by killer4hire


    I wish this game good luck just for the fact that they are gonna release a very nice-looking, grapcically polished game.  However, from my experiences, this game has some flaws that may prove fatal before long.  First, the quest writing (outside the main quest line) is just plain lame to me.  I won't go too far into this, as I have before in my posts, and I think that everyone here that has played knows what I'm talking about.  Second, they bombard you with so many different skills and traits, that before long, it feels way too easy.  after lvl 15-20, you'll struggle to see a skill or a trait as a real accomplishment.  I just didn't feel like I really earned anything after awhile.  Lastly, most of the gear in the game just looks stupid to me.  They nearly perfected the way that water should look in a game, but I can clearly see the neglect when they were modeling the gear in the game.  Since there is a lack of definitive armor sets, its hard to find gear that may match, and if it does match, half of it will most likely not be the best armor available to you, or several levels weaker than the rest of your gear.  These are all just my views on the game, and I will say that while I have some strong negatives, I still think this game may survive for quite some time just because it look s so good environmentally, it has the strong following of the LOTR name, and its still in beta, and a lot of things can be fixed or changed before it's release.  It needs more changes than fixes IMO.
     
  • xAlrythxxAlrythx Member Posts: 585
    Originally posted by killer4hire

    Originally posted by xAlrythx

    Originally posted by pablo0713

    This game does not feel like I'm in Middle Earth. The graphics are far too low-poly, 3-4 years old. There's nothing new here. Same old blah fantasy MMO. I was totally put off by seeing Gandalf in the first minute of playing this game. A lame attempt at making the player feel like they are partaking in something epic. But the reality is that like any other MMO, all you'll be doing is going from one quest to another gaining experience with the occasional monster play to break up the monotony. I also hate instancing, so yeah, having to load up just to go into a building or dungeon is a TOTAL immersion killer. Ah well, I guess I'll play it until the open beta ends, but I highly doubt I'll change my mind about this game. Maybe one day they'll make a sandbox Middle Earth. I can dream, can't I?



    Well you have no idea what instancing is.

    Graphics are subjective but to say they are 3-4 years old?

    The game has a high resolution client, most likely being made fully public at release, if not soon.

    I won't be playing this game at release. Looking forward to future endeavors in the fantasy mmo department.

    The entire main (epic) quest line is instanced.



    Well thank you for that obvious piece of information.

    The poster I quoted referred to buildings. Which are not instanced.

    Currently Playing: Everything but MMORPGs
    Cancelled: L2, FFXI, VSoH, LotRO, WAR, WoW
    Looking Forward To: SW:TOR

  • killer4hirekiller4hire Member Posts: 57
    Originally posted by xAlrythx

    Originally posted by killer4hire

    Originally posted by xAlrythx

    Originally posted by pablo0713

    This game does not feel like I'm in Middle Earth. The graphics are far too low-poly, 3-4 years old. There's nothing new here. Same old blah fantasy MMO. I was totally put off by seeing Gandalf in the first minute of playing this game. A lame attempt at making the player feel like they are partaking in something epic. But the reality is that like any other MMO, all you'll be doing is going from one quest to another gaining experience with the occasional monster play to break up the monotony. I also hate instancing, so yeah, having to load up just to go into a building or dungeon is a TOTAL immersion killer. Ah well, I guess I'll play it until the open beta ends, but I highly doubt I'll change my mind about this game. Maybe one day they'll make a sandbox Middle Earth. I can dream, can't I?



    Well you have no idea what instancing is.

    Graphics are subjective but to say they are 3-4 years old?

    The game has a high resolution client, most likely being made fully public at release, if not soon.

    I won't be playing this game at release. Looking forward to future endeavors in the fantasy mmo department.

    The entire main (epic) quest line is instanced.



    Well thank you for that obvious piece of information.

    The poster I quoted referred to buildings. Which are not instanced.

    Ah, you're right.  I didn't look closely enough at his post ( just skimmed over it, actually).  I see now that he's referring to the zoning that takes place when you step into a building or dungeon.  I just saw your comment, and assumed you were  talking about the instancing that does accure in the game, and trying to rip on him for a harmless post, or just a lack of knowledge.  Not that I'm the "hero in a cape" or anything, I just assumed, and assuming makes an ass of....
  • xAlrythxxAlrythx Member Posts: 585
    Originally posted by killer4hire

    Originally posted by xAlrythx

    Originally posted by killer4hire

    Originally posted by xAlrythx

    Originally posted by pablo0713

    This game does not feel like I'm in Middle Earth. The graphics are far too low-poly, 3-4 years old. There's nothing new here. Same old blah fantasy MMO. I was totally put off by seeing Gandalf in the first minute of playing this game. A lame attempt at making the player feel like they are partaking in something epic. But the reality is that like any other MMO, all you'll be doing is going from one quest to another gaining experience with the occasional monster play to break up the monotony. I also hate instancing, so yeah, having to load up just to go into a building or dungeon is a TOTAL immersion killer. Ah well, I guess I'll play it until the open beta ends, but I highly doubt I'll change my mind about this game. Maybe one day they'll make a sandbox Middle Earth. I can dream, can't I?



    Well you have no idea what instancing is.

    Graphics are subjective but to say they are 3-4 years old?

    The game has a high resolution client, most likely being made fully public at release, if not soon.

    I won't be playing this game at release. Looking forward to future endeavors in the fantasy mmo department.

    The entire main (epic) quest line is instanced.



    Well thank you for that obvious piece of information.

    The poster I quoted referred to buildings. Which are not instanced.

    Ah, you're right.  I didn't look closely enough at his post ( just skimmed over it, actually).  I see now that he's referring to the zoning that takes place when you step into a building or dungeon.  I just saw your comment, and assumed you were  talking about the instancing that does accure in the game, and trying to rip on him for a harmless post, or just a lack of knowledge.  Not that I'm the "hero in a cape" or anything, I just assumed, and assuming makes an ass of....



    lol, no problem. Yeah alot of people seem to confuse zoning with instancing.

    Currently Playing: Everything but MMORPGs
    Cancelled: L2, FFXI, VSoH, LotRO, WAR, WoW
    Looking Forward To: SW:TOR

  • arctarusarctarus Member UncommonPosts: 2,581
    Originally posted by M1sf1t

    If that is all that's bad with this game then that isn't much IMHO. Seriously I take it for what it is and that is a MMO with LOTR lore and theme. I'd suggest if you want a more open world then I'd try a sand box game like EvE or Vangaurd. I don't think any game can truly capture the feel of LOTR books. It's just not possible with todays technology. Other then people not "feeling" the game there is nothing wrong with this title. It does everything correctly and what it does not do right you can over look and be assured that it's not that major and can be fixed. After being witness to the disaster that was Vangaurd and being so bored with WoW, WoW's community and WoW's mundane grind inspired end game I need something new. Frankly I like the quests and like being involved in a quest little more deeper then I was in WoW. I like and having npcs act as if there is something important going on even if it's scripted. Guess what that is how you design NPC's and what they do and say with scripts. Completely autonomous AI that is life like is not something that is easy to pull off especially in a MMO game. As for the opening noob introductions and noob questing zones I think they are good IMHO. I can see though how someone looking for a sand box MMO will not like this game. If you are looking for a sand box type game I'd suggest you give Vanguard, Saga of Ryzom, Second life, Lineage 2 or EvE-Online a try.For me this a good title to hold me over until Warhammer Online comes out. That is what I am truly looking forward to and if I happened to get to really into LOTRO just as much as WAR then that's an added bonus IMHO.


    My thoughts too...

    RIP Orc Choppa

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