Must have taken 50 lawyers

hayevery1

I did not read the fine print on everything in World of Warcraft when i signed up... lets be real here who is going to sit there after installing and getting patches and looking at what you have to do to sign on to look at every single detail of what you can and cannot do in there agreement form to play...  I myself was working alot of late hours (no excuse for what Im about to tell you) but I decided in order to keep up with other people in my clan, I went to a website to just get me honor points...  (no not gold, No not items... No Not to level... No not to get my professions up.. No... not to get reputation... simply just to get my honor points up...   For this my account was Banned... Im still waiting for a reply from them about the infraction I broke... Apparently if you spit in the wind the wrong way on this game you will be flagged or banned.. Do not get into a pissing contest with the little kids... they tend to make you mad .. make you say something then report you.... I have to say overall the game is O.K.   But im a little miffed about the money i spent to the website to help me out will not give me back the money i sent them till Blizzard sends me something as to why my account is banned which i doubt thats going to happen been waiting 5 days now.. Blizzard decided to take my 14.99 the day before... but I havent recieve a email stating that will come back to my checking account.. Ive played many MMORPG games before and i have to say "Stay away from this one"...  Wait till a newer one comes out...  I know what I did was wrong I guess in their eyes.. I still dont see the infraction except giving out my account name and password... and that is my buisness not theirs..  I dont need Big brother looking over my shoulder at every move or everything I say in the game.. Its sad very sad.. For example  they have a profanity filter.. but if you use profanity you get flagged if someone wants to report you.. why dont they say to the person offended  put on your filter or put him/her on your ignore list... If your wondering I had up until this moment never used a third party to help me out... The first Time i do I got Banned.... Account closed  44+ days down the tubes.  lvl 70 warlock with epic armor Gone... from scratch waited in line for 4 hours to get the expansion when it hit the shelves... Ok fine i got banned   give me back my 14.99 from blizzard and the other website better return my money I gave them.. Or they too will go up online as a website not to be trusted... For those of you that have played MMORPG games before and want to play this one and thing that maybe you can go to a website to get leveled or buy gold or anything think again... This game will take your 49.99 + 24.99 (expansion) + 14.99 month  and whatever you did with the char and kill it...  I would advise you not to spend your money on this game....  Anyways Good luck to whatever you do...  I dont need people writing to this topic saying "you cheat"...  "thats what you get"...  I didnt understand the rule of having a person help you do the honor system was wrong.. Dupes I can see, hacks, exploits... yes ban them.. but if a person is willing to help out your character for a cash  whats wrong with that??? Capitalism is dead in this game...

vingvega

I have no compassion for people who pay farmers and get banned for cheating.  You are just as bad as a gold buyer.  You cheated...and got owned.  So do you think all your buddies paid some asian sweat shop to play the game for them?    Why waste real money on pixels?  Hey, it's your money do what you want.  But if you cheat, you deserve to get banned.  You should send the farmers your picture so they can hang it above their kitchen table with a note saying "This guy feeds my family".

 

hayevery1

Apparently I did not make myself clear the first time I wrote this... Let me put this in noobish terms for vingvega...  I did not know that letting a person help me get honor points while I am away working for a living (not like yourself, who is either a highschooler living off of mom and dad, or a college student who has no liberal tests to study for tonight)..... was wrong... if my account gets stolen  from a third party site... I would not complain.. my fault  they can take my char and sell it... OK but if I was to tell you, " HEY VINGVEGA" your in my guild... I'll pay ya if you can get me some honor points... Or help me get Kara key... and I'll pay ya $200.00  for a week ... what would you say to that guildie brother..   I hardley doubt you would turn that down... in fact noone in their right mind would turn that down...  So your Preaching about the cheating is really stupid.... Like I said, if I was hacking, duping, buying duped gold... something to inflate a game (server) fine ban me.. but having someone else do work for you while your gone???  get real...  So what your saying is if i let my wife play my char and she got me those honor points and I took her out to a diner and movie.. My char should be banned becuase basically in capitalism terms I paid my wife to enhance my char???  Get real!!! Either you dont make enough money to do what I tried doing (which like I said wasnt cheating to me) or you hate capitalism....  either way you are right it was wrong what i did... but I still dont see the banning of ones account of doing something that didnt hurt the sytem in any way shape or form...

desnow

Originally posted by hayevery1

Apparently I did not make myself clear the first time I wrote this... Let me put this in noobish terms for vingvega...  I did not know that letting a person help me get honor points while I am away working for a living (not like yourself, who is either a highschooler living off of mom and dad, or a college student who has no liberal tests to study for tonight)..... was wrong...

Read before you sign. An adult should know this already. If not then I hope you learn now before you default on mortgage or such.

Damisinos

Originally posted by vingvega


I have no compassion for people who pay farmers and get banned for cheating.  You are just as bad as a gold buyer.  You cheated...and got owned.  So do you think all your buddies paid some asian sweat shop to play the game for them?    Why waste real money on pixels?  Hey, it's your money do what you want.  But if you cheat, you deserve to get banned.  You should send the farmers your picture so they can hang it above their kitchen table with a note saying "This guy feeds my family".
 

I'd have to agree, just because you tried to justify your means of breaking the rules doesn't make it alright for you and not for the others.

vingvega

Originally posted by hayevery1

Apparently I did not make myself clear the first time I wrote this... Let me put this in noobish terms for vingvega...  I did not know that letting a person help me get honor points while I am away working for a living (not like yourself, who is either a highschooler living off of mom and dad, or a college student who has no liberal tests to study for tonight)..... was wrong... if my account gets stolen  from a third party site... I would not complain.. my fault  they can take my char and sell it... OK but if I was to tell you, " HEY VINGVEGA" your in my guild... I'll pay ya if you can get me some honor points... Or help me get Kara key... and I'll pay ya $200.00  for a week ... what would you say to that guildie brother..   I hardley doubt you would turn that down... in fact noone in their right mind would turn that down...  So your Preaching about the cheating is really stupid.... Like I said, if I was hacking, duping, buying duped gold... something to inflate a game (server) fine ban me.. but having someone else do work for you while your gone???  get real...  So what your saying is if i let my wife play my char and she got me those honor points and I took her out to a diner and movie.. My char should be banned becuase basically in capitalism terms I paid my wife to enhance my char???  Get real!!! Either you dont make enough money to do what I tried doing (which like I said wasnt cheating to me) or you hate capitalism....  either way you are right it was wrong what i did... but I still dont see the banning of ones account of doing something that didnt hurt the sytem in any way shape or form...

Dude it sounds like you're talking out your pie hole.  First off, i'm active duty military and been in for 13 years...I deployed 2 times recently and I still don't PAY other people to play my game for me.   You deserve what you get.  Do you want a pitty party?  Do you want us to tap you on the back and say, "It's ok man, we are with you and are ready to sign a petition."  Read your first post.  From what I read in that mess of a post, you went to a pay website and PAID to get you your points, not a guildy or your wife.  They banned you for a reason, you broke their rules.  And you deserve to get banned.  I'm done wasting my time on this.  Plus, reading your posts make me dizzy since you have no idea how to make paragraphs.

nazgum

sorry but it is people like you that think anything that benefits them can't be wrong that are ruining so many mmorpg's and force many awesome game concepts to be abandoned.



no sympathy from me, glad you are banned, i don't care what excuse you attempt to give.  Claiming you didn't know, hah, that says a lot for how little common sense you have to not instinctively know paying someone to "play" your char in an online competitive game is wrong; and the fact you think there is nothing wrong with it even after being banned, and then having the gall to come here and look for sympathy borderlines the rediculous.



In the future, street crossing signs will have disclaimers just for people like you, to inform you that failing to obey the red flashing warning hand may in fact be dangerous to your safety and isn't a red handed friend motioning for you to cross.

hayevery1

Thank you for serving in our military... I salute you on that... but that still gives you no right to sit there and judge what i did was right or wrong.... I am simply stating a fact... its ok to pay someone you know but not a person you dont know...  seems like the rules here are open to interpitation... what if i knew the guy at this website..  my friend next door..???  would it be the same thing??? Not everything is as black and white as you want everything to be...  But no problem... If everything goes well I will be getting another 70 lock soon... And this time I wont have to worry about starting from scratch.. just start from where I left off..  Capitalism will go on in my eyes   

brostyn

Wish they would ban all the retarded newbs. Maybe, the community would be a bit better.

desnow

Originally posted by hayevery1

I am simply stating a fact...

If everything goes well I will be getting another 70 lock soon... And this time I wont have to worry about starting from scratch.. just start from where I left off..  Capitalism will go on in my eyes   

Yup you stated you broke the rules and was banned. Now you are stating you are going to either buy an account or have it leveled for you. So when you get banned for that don't act all surprised this time.

You did something against a contract you signed and the appropiate action was taken. This confuses you how?

hayevery1

Where did you see in my first post i was looking for sympathy???  I didnt see that... clearly you saw something in between the lines that wasnt there...  (hence conspiracy theories) I was mearly stating a opinion that what i did in the eyes of WOW was wrong.. but in my eyes was not...  It is their company and they can do what they want to do with it...  As you can tell Im not mad if Im getting another char.. But i wont be spending 44 days to get it... I had a char that I put in a lot of time and it was taken for reasons that WOW thought was appropriate...  Im stating I wont make the same mistake twice..   just get a char that is exactly the way I want  it and Play it... My time is too valubale to sit there and start over again.. its so much more cheaper to get a lvl 70 then to make one yourself and go theough all the stuff to lvl... and beleive me lvling in WOW isnt that hard to do its just so dang reputitious...

Gestankfaust

Originally posted by hayevery1

Thank you for serving in our military... I salute you on that... but that still gives you no right to sit there and judge what i did was right or wrong.... I am simply stating a fact... its ok to pay someone you know but not a person you dont know...  seems like the rules here are open to interpitation... what if i knew the guy at this website..  my friend next door..???  would it be the same thing??? Not everything is as black and white as you want everything to be...  But no problem... If everything goes well I will be getting another 70 lock soon... And this time I wont have to worry about starting from scratch.. just start from where I left off..  Capitalism will go on in my eyes   

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It's not ok to pay anyone for in game advancement of any kind...it IS ok to play your own damn self and earn your keep. Why the hell would anyone pay some one else to advance their characters is beyond me though...guess I'm just "Old School".



This is what you don't get though...so waste your money n00B

JimmyLegs

I know what Capitalism is and what it means, but I don't understand how you are using it. Maybe it's a little straining to read your post, maybe thats why it's hard to understand where it comes into play. No matter, I had a friend pay another friend to play his Paladin (this was before you never lost a rank) to hit GM, I don't believe he made it but that's not the point I'm making. The point is he wasn't banned, all he did was pay 200g everyday he played for him, because he too had to go to school and work so it would have never worked out.... ever.



It is illegal in WoW to even trade account info or play on another account in order to gain from it. Not sure on the "gaining" part but you're not allowed to play on someone elses account, I know that. A warrior? I believe was going to hit GM, but a rogue that was just under him by a slim amount would get GM next week, so he made a bogus story about him having a few people play his guy so he can get GM, so the WoW GMs temp banned him for a a while (over a week, he still got his GM but man.. I would be pissed).



Moral of the story, don't let anyone do your work.... it could have an outcome that you do not like. That's like going to work, telling Joe Bob you will pay him $100.00 to do this task for you, he does it, the boss finds out he will fire you and Joe Bob... hard lesson leared to the both of ya.

Volkmar

OP: think of it logically. What you did is letting somebody else, that is not the person described in your account details, play the game for you.



Do you know what this person did with the time he had? yes? no? He could have broken dozens of rules, insulted others to no end and any bad thing possible, including scamming, because HE DIDN'T HAVE TO ANSWER FOR IT. you had to. Did you had friends? people that trusted you in the game? this guy could have easily got resources out from them too. Not to talk of their personal details if needed. Now you see the potential for abuse? A person need to be accountable for his actions and if "account renting" is allowed, then they are not.



Beside that, Virtual Trading in ANY form is often considered a shady area. there is no precise legislation in the field just yet, but most company frown upon it and/or outright deny it.



Blizzard is one such company.

hayevery1

I like your last paragraph...  truely I did....  And so far your the only one that has made some sense out of this...  But I still dont see where it effects the game if items are not duped.... gold isnt being transferred from one server to another to screw up the economy of that server... I was just wanting to get some honor points....It was wrong in WOW eyes  and I see it in the rules now.. and I agree with it.. Im not asking for a pity party... Im just stating a fact that what i did in my eyes was not wrong...  And calling me newb.. (<-- not you) for doing what I did is so outdated... they really need to come up with another word for newb...   I mean anyone who does something thats not correct or ordinary is a newb..  Could have sworn newb meant a beginner... new to the game... maybe played a few hours on it..  But everyone calling everyone a newb because you dont agree with him/her is pretty asinine...

Ithuriel

Honor points are used to buy rewards aren't they?  Which means they are basically a form of currency, correct?  So how is that different from buying gold exaclty?  Look, I'm not trying to insult you, so you don't need to call me an obnoxious rich kid like you did with the last guy, but it should seem obvious that anytime you pay a third party website so that they can give you some form of in-game advantage that it would be in violation of the EULA.  You need to get the idea that you should get your money back out of your head, cause that will never happen (Blizzard is huge company, probably has army of corporate lawyers who have analyzed every possible reason someone could ask for refund and found ways to refute it).  I work obnoxious hours too, couldn't devote ridiculous amounts of time to raiding in WoW, so I quit and went to different game, didn't pay someone else to do the work for me.

And capitalism does not exist in the mmo world.  It's their IP, their dictatorship, they can do as they please and no court in the land will take your side.

hayevery1

Originally posted by JimmyLegs

I know what Capitalism is and what it means, but I don't understand how you are using it. Maybe it's a little straining to read your post, maybe thats why it's hard to understand where it comes into play. No matter, I had a friend pay another friend to play his Paladin (this was before you never lost a rank) to hit GM, I don't believe he made it but that's not the point I'm making. The point is he wasn't banned, all he did was pay 200g everyday he played for him, because he too had to go to school and work so it would have never worked out.... ever.



It is illegal in WoW to even trade account info or play on another account in order to gain from it. Not sure on the "gaining" part but you're not allowed to play on someone elses account, I know that. A warrior? I believe was going to hit GM, but a rogue that was just under him by a slim amount would get GM next week, so he made a bogus story about him having a few people play his guy so he can get GM, so the WoW GMs temp banned him for a a while (over a week, he still got his GM but man.. I would be pissed).



Moral of the story, don't let anyone do your work.... it could have an outcome that you do not like. That's like going to work, telling Joe Bob you will pay him $100.00 to do this task for you, he does it, the boss finds out he will fire you and Joe Bob... hard lesson leared to the both of ya.

So what your telling me is that there maybe a chance they are taking my account away for a while to teach me a lesson???  I already learned my lesson... wrote them a long letter expressing that what I did was wrong in there eyes and I did not see that rule that someone else couldnt play your char... I did appologize and am still waiting for their retort... but nothing so far... 

hayevery1

Ok so name a game  (MMORPG)  that you can have fun at without a whole lot of gametime to level and wont be killed easily by the other side or lvl 5 npcs??? Played SWG  that went to crapsville... Played Lineage  same thing..  Played lineage II  crappy... I know MMORPG games are to be played for a long period of time in order to get to a certain level and play with the big boys...  But others in the world dont have to go to school or a job and get to play day in and day out  from dusk to dawn..  pawning us... so I guess Ill stick with Battlefield 2 type games... really dont have to lvl in those games....

desnow

Originally posted by hayevery1



So what your telling me is that there maybe a chance they are taking my account away for a while to teach me a lesson???  I already learned my lesson... wrote them a long letter expressing that what I did was wrong in there eyes and I did not see that rule that someone else couldnt play your char... I did appologize and am still waiting for their retort... but nothing so far... 

I love how you think you are special and that rules and contracts dn't apply to you like everyone else, but who ever told you that lied to you.

Just becasue you don't think you need to read rules and take the punishment you agree to does not make it so. I truley hope you are lying about your age, if not then...ugh just ugh.

JimmyLegs

I'm going to be quite frank, also this is an... unfortunante curse I have... being very honest that is. You wont see your account ever again. In any e-mails, in game and out, if a Blizzard rep/GM has told you that your are being "banned" or "permanetly banned" you can just create a new account now and not waste any more time. If not it will be unlikely that you will get your account back soon, if ever. They could just lock your account / freeze it and just leave you alone. I'm sure Blizzard get's thousands and thousands of letters and emails, which contain questions and death threats (not really on the threats part, but anything can happen in our crazy world).



Really, you should have thought more in depth of your actions. What you did, as a previous poster already said, was to get an advantage. You may "break even" if you played but because it is not YOU that was playing it would be an advantage against others. Two players can get more then twice one normal player can get.



I know your not asking for a pitty party or supporters, you are just stating what happened and at the time you didn't think it was wrong. There is a saying that is one of my favorites because its funny "Life sucks then you die." Ya... it sucks that Blizzard locked or banned you, but hey get over it and restart or... well... die (figuratively not literally).



I saw you saying something along the lines of starting again where you left off, at 70 or so? Does that mean your going to get your account back or buy another account? Just a little unclear on your future action you stated. Hell what do I care.... just don't take any help from another player, 3rd party site / program, or anything to get an "edge" or advance faster then a normal player can do. That is very suspicious.

Azurene

Originally posted by hayevery1

I did not read the fine print on everything in World of Warcraft when i signed up... lets be real here who is going to sit there after installing and getting patches and looking at what you have to do to sign on to look at every single detail of what you can and cannot do in there agreement form to play...  I myself was working alot of late hours (no excuse for what Im about to tell you) but I decided in order to keep up with other people in my clan, I went to a website to just get me honor points...  (no not gold, No not items... No Not to level... No not to get my professions up.. No... not to get reputation... simply just to get my honor points up...   For this my account was Banned... Im still waiting for a reply from them about the infraction I broke... Apparently if you spit in the wind the wrong way on this game you will be flagged or banned.. Do not get into a pissing contest with the little kids... they tend to make you mad .. make you say something then report you.... I have to say overall the game is O.K.   But im a little miffed about the money i spent to the website to help me out will not give me back the money i sent them till Blizzard sends me something as to why my account is banned which i doubt thats going to happen been waiting 5 days now.. Blizzard decided to take my 14.99 the day before... but I havent recieve a email stating that will come back to my checking account.. Ive played many MMORPG games before and i have to say "Stay away from this one"...  Wait till a newer one comes out...  I know what I did was wrong I guess in their eyes.. I still dont see the infraction except giving out my account name and password... and that is my buisness not theirs..  I dont need Big brother looking over my shoulder at every move or everything I say in the game.. Its sad very sad.. For example  they have a profanity filter.. but if you use profanity you get flagged if someone wants to report you.. why dont they say to the person offended  put on your filter or put him/her on your ignore list... If your wondering I had up until this moment never used a third party to help me out... The first Time i do I got Banned.... Account closed  44+ days down the tubes.  lvl 70 warlock with epic armor Gone... from scratch waited in line for 4 hours to get the expansion when it hit the shelves... Ok fine i got banned   give me back my 14.99 from blizzard and the other website better return my money I gave them.. Or they too will go up online as a website not to be trusted... For those of you that have played MMORPG games before and want to play this one and thing that maybe you can go to a website to get leveled or buy gold or anything think again... This game will take your 49.99 + 24.99 (expansion) + 14.99 month  and whatever you did with the char and kill it...  I would advise you not to spend your money on this game....  Anyways Good luck to whatever you do...  I dont need people writing to this topic saying "you cheat"...  "thats what you get"...  I didnt understand the rule of having a person help you do the honor system was wrong.. Dupes I can see, hacks, exploits... yes ban them.. but if a person is willing to help out your character for a cash  whats wrong with that??? Capitalism is dead in this game...

Well, all i have to say to that is ignorantia juris non excusat lating, Latin for ignorance of the law is no excuse, but a that really sucks, for you lol.

Zorvan

Originally posted by hayevery1

I like your last paragraph...  truely I did....  And so far your the only one that has made some sense out of this...  But I still dont see where it effects the game if items are not duped.... gold isnt being transferred from one server to another to screw up the economy of that server... I was just wanting to get some honor points....It was wrong in WOW eyes  and I see it in the rules now.. and I agree with it.. Im not asking for a pity party... Im just stating a fact that what i did in my eyes was not wrong...  And calling me newb.. (<-- not you) for doing what I did is so outdated... they really need to come up with another word for newb...   I mean anyone who does something thats not correct or ordinary is a newb..  Could have sworn newb meant a beginner... new to the game... maybe played a few hours on it..  But everyone calling everyone a newb because you dont agree with him/her is pretty asinine...

Doesn't matter if it affects the game or not. Anyone other than yourself using your account is grounds for banning under WoW's and just about every game out there's rules. You broke the rules, you got banned. Case closed. Now, go buy your new warlock so they can ban you again, and you can come back and cry about it here. CMN

Midaveg

Its your fault, get a life and quit gaming. Lazy d00ds like you who rely on RMT for lazy service will end up getting banned.



In and out, its all your wrong doings and just accept your punishments like a real man.

achesoma

Sharing your account info is an infraction.  Not to mention you have no clue what other infraction the service your paying is committing while on your account.  You cheated and got caught.  Deal with it. 

Deathstiny

I didn't know they banned paragraphs as well .... geez!

nakuma

to the OP of this topic. for the love of god! learn how to form paragraphs! u are killing me witht hat wall of white blinding text! I would like to think you took english class, in which they taught how to form proper paragraph structure. Please, in the future break you wall of text into managable chunks.