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More evidence of USA goin from "Freedom to Facism"
Slickinfinit
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Look at this story, its absolutely deplorable what the GWB admin is capable of and that it even gets away with it. Read this link to know what I am talking about and how it goes against the very freedoms your constitution spells out as undeniable rights. rawstory.com/news/2007/Professor_who_criticized_Bush_added_to_0409.html
Well it is a horrible state of affairs when protesting the things that are wrong will bring immediate oppression and for a person who is so pro-constitution to be added to a list as a terrorist speaks volumes of the cowardice of your elected officials. IMO its George Bush and Dick Cheney who should be added to the terrorist list as they have caused more terror then all the list combined. I guess nobody likes to be told how wrong they are but I would expect treatment like that from the Islamic countries we are told are so bad over the propoganda/news.
Well it is a horrible state of affairs when protesting the things that are wrong will bring immediate oppression and for a person who is so pro-constitution to be added to a list as a terrorist speaks volumes of the cowardice of your elected officials. IMO its George Bush and Dick Cheney who should be added to the terrorist list as they have caused more terror then all the list combined. I guess nobody likes to be told how wrong they are but I would expect treatment like that from the Islamic countries we are told are so bad over the propoganda/news.
{(RIP)} SWG
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I'll wait until this is actually investigated instead of just the dude saying stuff on his blog.
I read it and it sounds like one dude just writing that something happened without any sort of journalism involved.
The guy should have found the clerk, or talked to someone.
This story is pulled off someones blog too.
Not saying it's not true... but for all anyone knows the guy is just making shit up. It's happened before.
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"When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!"
-cheer leading, flag waving American
so if you think it's within their nature that it's automatically true?
I should make up a story and sue.. and since everyone thinks it's in their nature... i don't need any proof!!
It's flawless!
I'm also not surprised the Bush administration thinks peace activists are potential terrorists....it makes perfect sense!
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"When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!"
-cheer leading, flag waving American
I wonder if those rumors of FEMA concentration camps being made to detain massive amounts "terrorists" are actually true?
www.mindfully.org/Reform/2004/FEMA-Concentration-Camps3sep04.htm
America is getting closer and closer to a Hitler like regime imo. www.apfn.org/apfn/camps.htm
{(RIP)} SWG
Some left of center professor got himself on the list. Yippie, do, da. I wonder if you would call it fascism 20 years ago when if he said the same things, he would be getting the Secret Service and FBI harrassing him. This shit has been going on forever. Come on guys, you act like you "investigate" tons of information on the web, but yet fail at basic critical thinking, hell basic methodology.
I can't believe you are defending fascism based on it "going on forever"....unbelievable. Why are you insulting us for discussing this when you even admit it happens and it's been going on forever?
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"When Saddam flew that plane into those buildings, I knew it was time to kick some Iranian ass!"
-cheer leading, flag waving American
Watch that 9 min vid to get some info on that case.
I could go on about why JFK was killed and how America uses economic warfare to subject developing nations to massive debt which is paid by the exploitation of that countries natural resources leaving the population in poverty. I could go on about all the times the USA has sent "jakals" into a country to remove leaders that didn't follow their playbook and all the times the CIA covertly tested dangerous chemical/biological agents on its own people. There is also speculation that some sects of satanic cultism is prevalent in some of our leaders and things to sick to speak of, heck go look into the Lawrence King fiasco and what accusations were made against him. These are troubling times we live in and I don't care if people call me a crazy conspiracy nut but all I want is the truth about why they do these things that are so evil. I am not even gonna touch things like MKultra and programs like Monatauk, HAARP or DARPA but lets just say they really are up to no good unless you are a rich elite member of their club.
{(RIP)} SWG
Last time I checked, both sides want power. Facism is all about the power.
Although, you're right, I'm not too worried about Bush attempting to make a grab for power. He isn't that smart.
We barely remember who or what came before this precious moment;
We are choosing to be here right now -Tool, Parabola
The core difference between the left and right is property rights. The more to the left the more you are against property rights. The more to the right the more you favor property rights. Fascism is to the left because it advocates government control like communism. Unlike communism it does not take total control of all private property. Fascism take control or massively regulate industries like media, steel, technology, energy, etc. Fascism is to the right of communism but it is left from center.
Was NAZI Germany a fascist state? Most would say yes. Was Hitler a fascist? Again most would say yes. What does NAZI stands for? National Socialist German Workers' Party. Fascism is a socialist ideology. Hitler was a liberal. Hitler was a painter. How many artists do you know that are conservative far right? Hitler went to the most liberal leftist socialist schools of his time. Hitler was a liberal leftist. Read his book.
The left fights against the left, the right fights against the right. They rarely fight against each other. Why? Because there no reason to. If you go into politics the leftist politicians will fight against other leftist politicians. Same thing with the right. Why? Because those politicians want to be leader of their ideology. Hitler fights Stalin to control the leftist ideology. For every 100,000 debates between the left there is one debate against the right. It’s all behind close doors. That’s how politics works.
No comment on the first paragraph
My sister is an artist (at least she's majoring in graphic design), and she is pretty far right, but one person isn't really enough to make generalizations off of.
It would seem that most of my generation (I say my because I really have no Idea how old any one here is, so I don't have much of an idea of how many of y'all this includes) is very far left, and none of them seem to disagree one political issues. All of the disputes seem to be between left and right, but what can you expect from sophomores in high school? Every one hates Hitler, every one hates Bush, every one loves American Idol (okay, way off topic), every one hates taxes, every one thinks they have the way to give us the perfect government: eliminate taxes, but give every one everything for free. Equal pay for doctors and fast food restaurant employees... Half sounds left, half sounds right, but the bigger half is left (haha, half can't be bigger than the other half...). Some where there probably is a silent majority that makes sense.
The thing I don't quite understand is that I thought republicans, such as Bush, were on the right, while democrats were on the left. If facism is indeed on the left, then why would Bush even try for it?
Rights are slowly being eroded along with the ability of a person to earn a decent living at the middle class without going into debt. All this while 650k Iraqi civilians were killed in an illegal war and who is going to bring the creators of that disaster to trial? I gave links to the FEMA camps and the CIA drug smuggling and I could even go find stuff on mind control and experiments they did on people with out their knowledge, hell the CIA has even been accused of abducting children for various nefarious purposes. The Bohemian Grove stuff, man if that doesn't make you scratch your head then I got no clue how to get through to you lol!
{(RIP)} SWG
Out of every 100 men, 10 should not be there,
80 are nothing but targets, 9 are the real fighters.
Ah, but one, ONE of them is a warrior,
and he will bring the others home.
-Heraclitus 500BC
Bush Executive Order
On June 23, 2006 - on the one-year anniversary of the Kelo decision (see above), President George W. Bush issued an executive order stating in Section I that the Federal Government must limit its use of taking private property for "public use" with "just compensation", which is also stated in the constitution, for the "purpose of benefiting the general public." He limits this use by stating that it may not be used "for the purpose of advancing the economic interest of private parties to be given ownership or use of the property taken."[6]
Australia
In Australia, section 51, subsection xxxi of the Constitution permits the federal government to make laws with respect to "the acquisition of property on just terms from any State or person for any purpose in respect of which the Parliament has power to make laws." This has been construed to not necessarily mean just compensation as a just term might not of necessity be monetary or proprietary recompense, as was particularly notable in The Castle. However, it is for the court to determine what is just and it may be necessary to imply a need for compensation in the interests of justice, lest the law be invalidated (Andrews v Howell (1941) 65 CLR 255). The property is not restricted to real estate. The precedent established by the federal court (Smith v Harrison (1981) 135 CLR 280) extended the states' power to any form of physical property. The court ruled that animals under the federal Marsupial Protection Act (MPA) could be expropriated from private owners and reestablished in reservations.
Private economic use of properties acquired through eminent domain
Since the Supreme Court's Kelo decision, more than 5,783 properties have been threatened or condemned by local governments. Some of the more egregious examples catalogued in Dana Berliner's Opening the Floodates follow:[1]
In July 2005, the city of Oakland, California evicted two auto repair and supply businesses in order to replace them with 1,000 new condos and apartments as well as with a Sears tire & auto shop.
In December 2005, the city of Riviera Beach, Florida approved a plan to to acquire 283 properties and displace one thousand renters in order to build luxury housing and a marina. The city attempted to get the plan started before Florida eminent reform legislation went into effect.
In September 2006, city of Burlington, Iowa officials voted unanimously to demolish all 72 properties in a 23.7-acre neighborhood known as “The Manor.” The affordable housing would be replaced by a commercial development yet to be determined by the city.
In January 2006, the city of Baltimore, Maryland planned to seize 75 properties for the Charles North development project. Seven of those properties had been sold in 2005 to investors who planned to redevelop the land. The city also decided to acquire the 90-year-old Parkway Theater while it was under active restoration.
Long Branch, New Jersey, a city with six redevelopment zones, three of which are part of the 12-acre Beachfront project. The city wishes to replace the Victorians and beach bungalows currently on the site with condominiums and townhouses. 140 properties were condemened before Kelo and the city hopes to condemn 63 more properties to complete the project.
In January 2007, the Supreme Court of the United States declined to hear the case of Bart Didden against the village of Port Chester, New York. Didden owned a property in the village's urban renewal district that he hoped to develop into a CVS corporation. The village's chosen developer demanded that Didden and his business partner either pay $800,000 not to have their land condemned or enter into a 50-50 partnership with the developer, whose plans called for a Walgreens pharmacy on the site.
In March 2005, officials in Garfield Heights, Ohio called for the seizure of 52 homes and 13 undeveloped properties. The 52 homes were blighted, according to city's development plan, because they were too old and too small. The next month, the City engaged a private developer who hopes to build Bridgeview Crossing, a shopping center that will be anchored by a Lowe's and a Target Corporation.
In September 2006, the City Council members of Auburn, Washington voted unanimously to approve a Community Renewal Plan, which labels blight as anything that impedes economic development. 490 properties are currently under threat, including 248 homes, a hospital, a church, several banks and restaurants as well as a List of Masonic temples.
Also, Atlantic Yards project in Brooklyn, New York, promoted by mayor Michael Bloomberg, will be a private use project, yet it will involve eminent domain appropriation of 68 private homes and businesses.[3].
Damn! I said French kissing...I meant Freedom kissing the flag.
I'm not arguing your "point," just that you fail to pass sound judgement or use decent methodology to come to your conclusion. Two or three, or even one hundred, websites stating that the US is a fascist state do not mean that the US is a fascist state. It's no different for those spouting NWA, corporations run everything, banks own the world, 9/11 was an inside job, liberals are tearing the US apart, liberals have no god, etc. They all use the same mechanism to convince people they are right, they overwhelm people with so many referenced materials that people are essentially forced out of laziness, ignorance, and even downwright stupidity to come to the same conclusion as the pundit, blogger, etc.
Let me just ask you this, poopypants, how many of the example links on your second link have you pressed and read? How many are dead links? How many contained actual evidence versus opinion off a blog or progressive webnews?
We are seeing various anti-terrorism measures being introduced in the US, the UK and other western countries. We are led to believe that we are in terrible, dangerous times and that the current laws are obstructing our law enforcing bodies from protecting us effectively. Those of us who are concerned about civil rights are told that if we're not terrorists, we have nothing to worry about with these new powers our authorities have.
Even if we are prepared to give our governments the benifit of the doubt over the actual terrorist threat we face, the big problem is that when you give people these anti-terrorist powers, they invariably get used on citizens who really should have had nothing to worry about. We are seeing numerous examples of this happening.
The only conclusion can be that our authorities cannot be trusted with such powers. There were good reasons why such power restrictions existed and we need to balance the threat of terrorism against the threat of living in a draconian police state where anybody can be arrested on a whim.
Personally I find it an insult to all those who have died in order to bring us freedom, that we are so quick to remove those freedoms over a handful of what are essentially just criminal acts from a few extremists.
I'm not arguing your "point," just that you fail to pass sound judgement or use decent methodology to come to your conclusion. Do you know where you're at? You're at a website for MMORPGs...lol. Two or three, or even one hundred, websites stating that the US is a fascist state do not mean that the US is a fascist state. It's no different for those spouting NWA You mean like Dubyas father?, corporations run everything You mean like a coporatocrasy?, banks own the world You mean like the Federal Reserve Banks? I'll let you use your criticle thinking skills to dig up all the information on the IMF and the WTO, 9/11 was an inside job You mean like George W. Bushs' Former Cheif Economist?, liberals are tearing the US apart, liberals have no god, etc. They all use the same mechanism to convince people they are right, they overwhelm people with so many referenced materials that people are essentially forced out of laziness, ignorance, and even downwright stupidity to come to the same conclusion as the pundit, blogger, etc.
Let me just ask you this, poopypants, how many of the example links on your second link have you pressed and read? I know that there are dead links in the second one...but I don't care 'cause it has really good visuals, and you know what they say about pictures... How many are dead links? How many contained actual evidence versus opinion off a blog or progressive webnews?
Obviously you put those up there using the same technique I described, hoping I would submit to your overwhelming "evidence."
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-for the overmind.
I also guess we are just supposed to accept that jet fuel burning at 800 degrees can melt steel tested for 2600+ degrees? I guess its also best to believe tower 7 just collapsed on its own ? I guess I am also supposed to accept that 70 per cent of the globe lives in poverty because its their own fault and not because the world bank drowned them in debt in order to exploit those precious resources they covet. I don't claim to know exactly whats going on but I do know something is happening and it doesn't seem to be good for us middle class folks.
{(RIP)} SWG
Because The UN can't even stop some the atrocities in Sudan why do you think they could stop the most powerful nation on earth.
Yes usually its best to just accept the truth. I used to almost belive that loose change bullshit but after researching it nope. Steel gets weakened at 500 hundred degrees. The middle class is always under attack and yet it survive.
heres a good site for you conspiracy people.
www.thebestpageintheuniverse.net/c.cgi
-for the overmind.