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SANDBOX????
Realm-Reaper
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Please say yes!
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We barely remember who or what came before this precious moment;
We are choosing to be here right now -Tool, Parabola
Short answer: No. As of right now anyway. Long time before game comes out so anything could change.
They already stated it will have classes so dont expect a skill-based system.
QFT
Sandbox doesn't neccesarily mean you have the option to have sex with monkeys in game, but it does mean that you can almost completely ignore quests and story lines and still progress in the game and be part of the community. I think the key point about a sandbox game is that the users tend to drive the direction of the game (ala EvE) as opposed to a non-sandbox game where the users do whatever the devs give them to do (ala WoW).
I personally have high hopes that SGW will have a sandbox feel to it.
A skill-based system would be nice but classes/levels doesn't necessarily mean it cant have a sandbox element imho, just that your personal freedoms will be somewhat restricted with regards to long term character development.
I kind of doubt it. Colonel O'Neil & Co. almost always had a mission when they went through the Stargate. Unless they make it like Face of Mankind, you'll probably be getting orders from someone, at least if you play a human.
BING-GO!
Thank you....It's amazing how many people have no idea what this is!
I'm kind of surprised they are deciding to go with classes. The game lends itself to skill-based very well.
Should be interesting to see how it develops, either way.
Everytime i think of the possibilities of SGW i could cream in my......... bugger!! i'll have to go change my pants, again...
no, joking aside SANDBOX FTW!!!
Tin Foil hats dont work.. its all a conspiracy
Which brings me to a wise saying - A sandbox contains of sand and box, nothing else.
Meridion
EDIT: Don't get me wrong, ok? I DON'T say EvE is a bad game, I just wanna say "sandbox" is not the messiah of long-term fun.
EvE isn't the best example here. Just because its a sandbox DOES NOT mean that it doesn't have content. it means that it has an immersive world to take part in.
Let me give you an example. Morrowind is a sandbox game. You can do whatever the hell you want. If you want to swim to that island on the other side of the map, you can. If you want to go on a mad killing spree, you can. If you want to follow the main set of quests through to the end, you can. And if you want to do a load of other side quests, join a guild, etc, you can.
Now I'm not saying "Make a Morrowind Game". I'm just saying that that is the potential a sandbox game has. Freedom, with content if you feel like it. There is nothing better than in the old SWG than taking a break from the grind and jumping over to the Cantina, not because you had to, but because you wanted to.
A sandbox game is not "Alright, here's your sandbox, gimme fifteen dollars". Its "Heres your world, you can do anything you want in it, but here are some tools you might want to make stuff or guide your way, and here are some ideas for what you could do. However, you can do whatever you want, period".
We barely remember who or what came before this precious moment;
We are choosing to be here right now -Tool, Parabola
This is a good example. I CAN go play music (and love it), but if this game offered only music, I'd be like "WTF?!". A good game offers balance in my book. I would not go as far as killing levels and classes for example. I LIKE having my defined role, I pick it, fully conscious that I choose a certain path with it. For example, I like playing healer classes. And I like being "the healer", it would be a nightmare coming true if I entered a group and player 3 was a "well you know I specced weapon mastery III, medium armor II, light magic I, defense III" so I can like heal and tank, a little, sometimes... For me, it doesn't add freedom, it adds confusion.
On the other hand, REAL crafting would be something that I'd appreciate a lot. Like in Morrowind, where you can totally invent new spells and potions. ALTHOUGH, in Morrowind, this was FAR from any form of "balanced" (remember the speedrun, beat the mainboss in 12 minutes with clever potioning?), a problem that a potential mass-MMO has to gain control over...
So Morrowind is a good example of content & creativity, but it still relied heavily on quests, tons of quests, like the twin lamps you just discovered by accident or when freeing slaves; Also, the leveling system of Elder Scrolls looks brilliant, but in fact, balancing it for an MMO would be the task of a dev's teams life. Remember how you could screw your character completely by choosing the "wrong" primary and secondary skillsets? Or how you could create super-jump-o-killman by grinding up acrobatics, athletics, destruction and swords? You could one-hit anything remotely related to the term monster, whereas a dedicated thief would be easy prey even at high levels...
Well, I'm getting carried away here. What I want to say. You could see it in SWG, where exploiting (meaning clever mechanic usage) in PvP and PvE was very common, balancing creativity and sandbox aspects are a REAL pain. Look at how many problems games like WoW have when balancing totally linear classes...
Meridion
I see some of your points, but in my opinion, Sandbox still has it.
I usually like to pick out certain classes as well. I like to have a role in a group. But I also don't mind it when I have a multi-tasker who can heal us while sniping from afar and then cure our fatigue when we set up a camp (SWG example). I think, just because its not my choice to tote flamethrowers and craft them as well, doesn't mean it shouldn't be an option. Because thats what a sandbox is all about. Options.
As for the Morrowind part, I wasn't trying to say I wanted a Morrowind MMORPG, with almost the exact characteristics. Think about it. You open the game, and in twenty minutes, I guarentee every single NPC will be dead. Obviously it wouldn't work in an MMO, because it was designed as one person's sandbox. The game mechanics were not meant to be a MMO by any means.
But lets run with the analogy. Lets say tomorrow Bethseda announces the next Elder Scrolls game. Heres how I'd like to see it.
You can't have the ability to kill people obviously. The current skill system would not work either, because then you'd have people running around as powerhouses with max everything one-hitting Vampires and such. There would have to be some limit on the amounts of skills you could possibly gain. Crafting would have to be toned down loads, and limits on potion consumption as well. Crafted Spells would cost extra magicka. Enchantments would also be toned down loads. No more Constant Health Regen rings.
However, as for the ability to roam, the multitude of quests, the choices of guilds, all the tiny little side quests, the billions of caves (You can cram all the people who have been in every single cave in the trunk of a Porche), I wouldn't change much there. Perhaps create some instanced zones, because some instances are VERY good.
It wouldn't be open PvP, except if you were a Vampire. Think Jedi from SWG, in the beginning. Maybe not perma-death, but certainly loss of everything "Vampirish" after a certain number of deaths. It isn't hard to create a war for PvP in the Elder Scrolls lore.
Well, thats my incoherant long post of the week.
We barely remember who or what came before this precious moment;
We are choosing to be here right now -Tool, Parabola
A skill-based system would be nice but classes/levels doesn't necessarily mean it cant have a sandbox element imho, just that your personal freedoms will be somewhat restricted with regards to long term character development.
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