and LoTRO has been #1 at those sites for how many weeks now.
oh by the way why don't see if you can dig up a bad review or preview on any professional gaming site about LoTRO since this guy was so biased. I bet I can find more positive ones, can you find any negative ones at all?
Wow- I had to make this my second post by saying..
How many copies did world of warcraft the buring crusade sell on release day?
Ouch i hope that didnt hurt too badly..
Sorry, but intill a MMO sells as many copies as wow and the expansion then no MMO will compare in sales.
Edit: OMG- Wow is still #9 on amazon's best seller list after 2 years. Lol
It's doubtable that any MMO will ever match WoW in terms of sales and total subscribers. (Except maybe some of those whacky Asian games which I hear have massive player bases )
LotRO is a good game, trying to put it down by comparing it to WoW is pointless. If you don't like it fine, but a lot of people are really happy to have found a new MMO that they actually like and the reviews / previews are glowing.
and LoTRO has been #1 at those sites for how many weeks now.
oh by the way why don't see if you can dig up a bad review or preview on any professional gaming site about LoTRO since this guy was so biased. I bet I can find more positive ones, can you find any negative ones at all?
Wow- I had to make this my second post by saying..
How many copies did world of warcraft the buring crusade sell on release day?
Ouch i hope that didnt hurt too badly..
Sorry, but intill a MMO sells as many copies as wow and the expansion then no MMO will compare in sales.
Edit: OMG- Wow is still #9 on amazon's best seller list after 2 years. Lol
It's doubtable that any MMO will ever match WoW in terms of sales and total subscribers. (Except maybe some of those whacky Asian games which I hear have massive player bases )
LotRO is a good game, trying to put it down by comparing it to WoW is pointless. If you don't like it fine, but a lot of people are really happy to have found a new MMO that they actually like and the reviews / previews are glowing.
I didn't like it myself, but each to their own.
-sigh i guess people just can't see my point of view.. Lol
I am not saying lotro is not a good game because wow has sold millions..
I am saying that if you want to go and compare games in the market then you have to compare them to big sellers as well and not just say "This game has been #1 for weeks now" and just ignore the big sellers.. Well you could but that would be just as pointless.
I agree lotro is and can be a good game if done right.. I do however wish it was named Middle Earth Online so they could easily have more storylines outside of the lord of the rings story line without it feeling weird.. But anyways thats another topic and i'm sure they will find aorund aorund that issues when its time.
Oh and i do love the fact that hunters are rid of the evil arrow bag hoggers in lotro. Unlimited arrow for all!
and LoTRO has been #1 at those sites for how many weeks now.
oh by the way why don't see if you can dig up a bad review or preview on any professional gaming site about LoTRO since this guy was so biased. I bet I can find more positive ones, can you find any negative ones at all?
Wow- I had to make this my second post by saying..
How many copies did world of warcraft the buring crusade sell on release day?
Ouch i hope that didnt hurt too badly..
Sorry, but intill a MMO sells as many copies as wow and the expansion then no MMO will compare in sales.
Edit: OMG- Wow is still #9 on amazon's best seller list after 2 years. Lol
It's doubtable that any MMO will ever match WoW in terms of sales and total subscribers. (Except maybe some of those whacky Asian games which I hear have massive player bases )
LotRO is a good game, trying to put it down by comparing it to WoW is pointless. If you don't like it fine, but a lot of people are really happy to have found a new MMO that they actually like and the reviews / previews are glowing.
I didn't like it myself, but each to their own.
-sigh i guess people just can't see my point of view.. Lol
I am not saying lotro is not a good game because wow has sold millions..
I am saying that if you want to go and compare games in the market then you have to compare them to big sellers as well and not just say "This game has been #1 for weeks now" and just ignore the big sellers.. Well you could but that would be just as pointless.
I agree lotro is and can be a good game if done right.. I do however wish it was named Middle Earth Online so they could easily have more storylines outside of the lord of the rings story line without it feeling weird.. But anyways thats another topic and i'm sure they will find aorund aorund that issues when its time.
Oh and i do love the fact that hunters are rid of the evil arrow bag hoggers in lotro. Unlimited arrow for all!
If its not obviously clear by now, everything you have stated has been obviously read, understood, and ultimately dismissed.
At no point did anyone compare the game "in the market", he merely stated the game is actually starting to sell well. Relating it to WoW's sales is absolutely pointless, as in a moot point. I have two WoW accounts in my possession, does my mutual enjoyment of LOTRO along with many others...resulting in a higher sales bracket correlate with WoW in the least? In short, no, it does not. At least not at a customers standpoint. I suppose some WoW exec laying on his bed of money and caviar may have chuckled at how he won't be able to buy that 32nd Yacht this month. Oh Poor Harold...you will have to stick with that month old yacht for another week...damn those at Turbine!
If you consider me a fanboy, maybe you should read a few of my other lengthy posts about my concerns of the game, how I don't currently have a pre-order, and how im hopeful it will turn into something I can enjoy longterm.
Im not defending this game, I really could care less if other people enjoy it ( beyond the extreme situation of playing by myself in the game world ), I do however care if continuous arguments are said over and over, in which have been said a million times, and have no addition to a thread.
I really don't know how many more times I can say the words "red harring" as you put it.
Many people have stated that they find the game to look beautiful, are you going to tell them they can't speak about graphics without relating it to Oblivion?
""I don't give a tiny ant's crap about any reviews - but I preordered LOTRO after the closed beta, because IT IS GOOD for ME - and this is true for thousands of other players. On the other hand, you sir must have a horrible, horrible life full of fear and hatred... it must be terrible and i feel bad for you! DB""
Spoken like a true Turbine Fan. You can't find flaw in my argument, so you resort to personal attacks. I always take that as a sign of sound defeat, so thanks .
A little semantics lesson: I wasn't attacking. I was feeling pitiful
Not that you would believe _anything_ outside your tiny room of own truthfulness, but I have seen an ad in PC Zone, got the closed beta key from CVG, played the closed beta and then pre-ordered LOTRO.
Only after all this has happened, did I start checking on forums about this game weird, you say? Sorry for not playing the "conspiracy game" you love so much!
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
You can't compare a minivan to a sportscar and you can't compare a MMO to a solo-RPG. It's as easy as that. You can compare them in a specific aspect, sure, that would work, like "RTS games are better than RPGs because they sharpen your understanding of planning and achievement through tactic more"...
But by extracting certain aspects you void the interdependances in a coherent system, like the old argument "MMOs cannot have the same gfx standards as sologames, because of the greater dynamic in dataflow that the client has to deal with"...
Let me take this a step further, I study medicine, and a common problem made in scientific medical research during the last decades, especially in biochemistry, was the extraction and analysis of certain structures while blissfully excluding the system in which they are supposed to work and interact. This led to largely false theroies especially in the beginnings of genome research since system-dependent mechanisms like splicing or post-translational modification where not taken in account. The understanding of testing and examining a system as a whole (or at least include system specific parameters) is a very young and exponentially growing branch in biomed-research.
So why this small excursion to my real life. MMOs/Sologame comparisons are just the same. You can extract the grafics, or the sound, or the animation to a sologame, but you will ruin the perspective and eventually get false results. You can't compare a mouse to a squirrel, just because they are both animals and have largely the same biological foundation ^^ It's just not, and that doesn't put my ability to draw objective conclusions in question, it rather shows that you are actually lacking the scientific tools to see what has to be put in perspective and what doesn't.
I cannot help but notice that the detractors still have not been able to come up with a link to a single negative preview or review of LoTRO on any professional gaming site as of yet. Hmmmm maybe they arn't any any, and this is not just a single isolated reviewers opinion, but one that is pretty much universal? What a concept, a game coming out that does not suck! Other game companies and developers should take note.
Mate, you seriously want to have a conversation with this StanlyManly guy? 13 out of his 13 posts are simply lotro-bashing trolling.... This poor fella only registered MMORPG to troll around LOTRO.
And he talks about viral marketing. har har har
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
Mate, you seriously want to have a conversation with this StanlyManly guy? 13 out of his 13 posts are simply lotro-bashing trolling.... This poor fella only registered MMORPG to troll around LOTRO. And he talks about viral marketing. har har har DB
It's funny to think that some people still seem to think that anyone really gives a shit about what they post here my friend. Look what happened with Dark and Light for example. That game had tons of warning posts about how bad it was in beta and still sold a lot of copies. Vanguard is another example. There were beta leaks out the butt for over a year and it sold at least 100K if you believe Sigil's figures. Now take a game where 70% plus of the beta testers responded positive to the polls on the closed beta forums, and the game is getting nothing but thumbs up reviews from the gaming and even non gaming press
and people like Stan think they can affect sales by a single box, by trolling. I think that is rather amusing. Viral marketing only will work in the positive direction and then only for a good product Stan, do some research and you will see what I mean.
While there are no negative professional reviews out at the moment, on the other side, there are hardly any reviews at all as the game has not been released.
As I stated before, I expect only good reviews because this game encapsulates the leading trend of mmorpg: casual gaming with little effort and draws non-mmorpgers to this genre by using a strong name "Lord of the Rings" known throughout generations and different medias, which is always good for publicity of all sites and magazines reviewing it.
Most players have a very positiv first impression of this game and I'm happy to see that Turbine has produced finally something which will not flop like AC2 or DnD-online. This game will be at least a short-term success, it will depend how Turbine will handle future expansions if it will also be a long-time runner.
LOTRO presents a stunning and evocative world of Tolkien magic to explore - if you're any kind of fan, it would seem pretty much an essential purchase. LOTRO seems destined to become the next big MMORPG contender and we've no hesitation in saying prepare to make your move to Middle-earth - we'll see you there.
I have to agree with this review in every way. The game is just a shiny gem of polished gamedom. If you enjoy Lord of the Rings, the game is a must have. I have been playing on my new awesome computer that has a crappy onboard card and I can play at a really decent resolution and graphics level with no lag.
Revolutionary? Certainly not, but I really don't need revolutionary. This game is ready to launch and I hope Turbine is prepared for success.
Hey Art.. mark this date down. We agree on something.
Although I won't be playing it because I'm not a fan of fantasy games or the Lotr movies, but it was a solid, well made game that was a pleasure to beta.
Shayde - SWG (dead) Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled - Some deluded SWG fanboi who pities me. I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too. 09f911029d74e35bd84156c5635688c0
EDIT: One other thing I would like to point out in regards to the sales figures for LOTRO. Pre-ordering gives access to the open beta. In addition, there were a reported 600k to 1.6million (depending on your interpretation) open beta keys distributed. Between pre-orders and the keys given out, there are a total of 11 servers currently up for LOTRO. 11. Do the math and draw your own conclusions.
And what 'math' would that be? Do you have some insider informaiton on how many people they can fit on a single server? It could be 200 people, ot could be 100,000 - we have no idea. I do know that ever since the perorder preview/beta started, they've had a few servers with small to medium waits, so they're obviously filling their current shards to capacity with the beta players. The conclusions I've drawn (after actually PLAYING the game a LOT, I might add) is that this will be one of the most successful MMOs in history.
EDIT: One other thing I would like to point out in regards to the sales figures for LOTRO. Pre-ordering gives access to the open beta. In addition, there were a reported 600k to 1.6million (depending on your interpretation) open beta keys distributed. Between pre-orders and the keys given out, there are a total of 11 servers currently up for LOTRO. 11. Do the math and draw your own conclusions.
And what 'math' would that be? Do you have some insider informaiton on how many people they can fit on a single server? It could be 200 people, ot could be 100,000 - we have no idea. I do know that ever since the perorder preview/beta started, they've had a few servers with small to medium waits, so they're obviously filling their current shards to capacity with the beta players. The conclusions I've drawn (after actually PLAYING the game a LOT, I might add) is that this will be one of the most successful MMOs in history.
Eek, lets not get into these arguments please. Truth be told, no one can say how successful this game will be. All numbers at this point are skewed by tons of different variables.
I find the game fun myself, thats the only "statistic" that matters
EDIT: Actually I apologize, you did say what you have drawn, thus its an opinion, and you could very well be right. Stanlyman just seems like its futile to argue with him.
I cannot help but notice that the detractors still have not been able to come up with a link to a single negative preview or review of LoTRO on any professional gaming site as of yet. Hmmmm maybe they arn't any any, and this is not just a single isolated reviewers opinion, but one that is pretty much universal? What a concept, a game coming out that does not suck! Other game companies and developers should take note.
I said you wont find any. Guess what though, there weren't any bad reviews of AC2 either. The problem with reviews of MMORPG's, is that a lot of the problems are not immediately apparent. But, I've already said this...
I cannot help but notice that the detractors still have not been able to come up with a link to a single negative preview or review of LoTRO on any professional gaming site as of yet. Hmmmm maybe they arn't any any, and this is not just a single isolated reviewers opinion, but one that is pretty much universal? What a concept, a game coming out that does not suck! Other game companies and developers should take note.
I said you wont find any. Guess what though, there weren't any bad reviews of AC2 either. The problem with reviews of MMORPG's, is that a lot of the problems are not immediately apparent. But, I've already said this...
You can't compare a minivan to a sportscar and you can't compare a MMO to a solo-RPG. It's as easy as that. You can compare them in a specific aspect, sure, that would work, like "RTS games are better than RPGs because they sharpen your understanding of planning and achievement through tactic more"...
But by extracting certain aspects you void the interdependances in a coherent system, like the old argument "MMOs cannot have the same gfx standards as sologames, because of the greater dynamic in dataflow that the client has to deal with"...
Let me take this a step further, I study medicine, and a common problem made in scientific medical research during the last decades, especially in biochemistry, was the extraction and analysis of certain structures while blissfully excluding the system in which they are supposed to work and interact. This led to largely false theroies especially in the beginnings of genome research since system-dependent mechanisms like splicing or post-translational modification where not taken in account. The understanding of testing and examining a system as a whole (or at least include system specific parameters) is a very young and exponentially growing branch in biomed-research.
So why this small excursion to my real life. MMOs/Sologame comparisons are just the same. You can extract the grafics, or the sound, or the animation to a sologame, but you will ruin the perspective and eventually get false results. You can't compare a mouse to a squirrel, just because they are both animals and have largely the same biological foundation ^^ It's just not, and that doesn't put my ability to draw objective conclusions in question, it rather shows that you are actually lacking the scientific tools to see what has to be put in perspective and what doesn't.
Meridion
Your grasp of the word "can't" is obviously a bit shaky. You study medicine, no wonder you can't admit you are wrong . Hopefully you impressed someone with your soliloquy.
See Meridion, I told you no point... the best argument from a troll can only be a personal attack.
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
Mate, you seriously want to have a conversation with this StanlyManly guy? 13 out of his 13 posts are simply lotro-bashing trolling.... This poor fella only registered MMORPG to troll around LOTRO. And he talks about viral marketing. har har har DB
It's funny to think that some people still seem to think that anyone really gives a shit about what they post here my friend. Look what happened with Dark and Light for example. That game had tons of warning posts about how bad it was in beta and still sold a lot of copies. Vanguard is another example. There were beta leaks out the butt for over a year and it sold at least 100K if you believe Sigil's figures. Now take a game where 70% plus of the beta testers responded positive to the polls on the closed beta forums, and the game is getting nothing but thumbs up reviews from the gaming and even non gaming press
and people like Stan think they can affect sales by a single box, by trolling. I think that is rather amusing. Viral marketing only will work in the positive direction and then only for a good product Stan, do some research and you will see what I mean.
Odd isn't it? I guess the old saying holds true, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. People will find out for themselves a month or two down the road. So why do I post? Its simple... so I can have the pleasure of saying "I told ya so".
Mate, you seriously want to have a conversation with this StanlyManly guy? 13 out of his 13 posts are simply lotro-bashing trolling.... This poor fella only registered MMORPG to troll around LOTRO. And he talks about viral marketing. har har har DB
It's funny to think that some people still seem to think that anyone really gives a shit about what they post here my friend. Look what happened with Dark and Light for example. That game had tons of warning posts about how bad it was in beta and still sold a lot of copies. Vanguard is another example. There were beta leaks out the butt for over a year and it sold at least 100K if you believe Sigil's figures. Now take a game where 70% plus of the beta testers responded positive to the polls on the closed beta forums, and the game is getting nothing but thumbs up reviews from the gaming and even non gaming press
and people like Stan think they can affect sales by a single box, by trolling. I think that is rather amusing. Viral marketing only will work in the positive direction and then only for a good product Stan, do some research and you will see what I mean.
Odd isn't it? I guess the old saying holds true, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. People will find out for themselves a month or two down the road. So why do I post? Its simple... so I can have the pleasure of saying "I told ya so".
I'm so happy that I have a lot of pleasure in life with my fiancé, my family and my friends and don't need to hunt for such kind of "pleasures" on the net or anywhere else
Good luck to you then!
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
I cannot help but notice that the detractors still have not been able to come up with a link to a single negative preview or review of LoTRO on any professional gaming site as of yet. Hmmmm maybe they arn't any any, and this is not just a single isolated reviewers opinion, but one that is pretty much universal? What a concept, a game coming out that does not suck! Other game companies and developers should take note.
I said you wont find any. Guess what though, there weren't any bad reviews of AC2 either. The problem with reviews of MMORPG's, is that a lot of the problems are not immediately apparent. But, I've already said this...
Pls do not divert the argument. The guy said that there WERE NOT ANY poor reviews - whereas I showed some.
The average score was not mentioned. BTW, I would bet by a large amount that LOTRO's average review score will be waaaay above 8.3 but this is also besides the point.
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
I said you wont find any. Guess what though, there weren't any bad reviews of AC2 either. The problem with reviews of MMORPG's, is that a lot of the problems are not immediately apparent. But, I've already said this...
Not unless you're playing something like Vanguard. Then the problems are in your face apparent. If the problems aren't readily apparent in LOTRO, that's a good sign in my book.
Pls do not divert the argument. The guy said that there WERE NOT ANY poor reviews - whereas I showed some.
The average score was not mentioned. BTW, I would bet by a large amount that LOTRO's average review score will be waaaay above 8.3 but this is also besides the point.
DB
Im not "diverting" any argument, argue on if you like, who am I to stop you?
I just provided a list of reviews to look at Gamespot usually has one of the most comprehensive list of reviews for almost any game.
You are probably correct on LotRs but since its not the point and only time will tell, it doesn't matter. We will know soon enough.
Pls do not divert the argument. The guy said that there WERE NOT ANY poor reviews - whereas I showed some.
The average score was not mentioned. BTW, I would bet by a large amount that LOTRO's average review score will be waaaay above 8.3 but this is also besides the point.
DB
Im not "diverting" any argument, argue on if you like, who am I to stop you?
I just provided a list of reviews to look at Gamespot usually has one of the most comprehensive list of reviews for almost any game.
You are probably correct on LotRs but since its not the point and only time will tell, it doesn't matter. We will know soon enough.
You still don't get my point, so I'll try to rephrase.
If you would now check my link, you'd see that there are MANY reviews of AC2, and some of them are over 90% - the average is 82 or 83. I never said that it's a bad game, or that it doesn't have good reviews, OR that it has received bad and/or has bad reviews in general.
I was simply pointing out that BAD reviews for AC2 DO EXIST - whereas the post I was replying to was lying about this.
This, and nothing else was my point. You linking good reviews is completely off the point, as I have already linked more (and even higher) good reviews in my original link - which, you obviously haven't even checked.
I have never played AC2 BTW and have no idea what it's like, I'd most probably like it from what i have heard.
I hope now even you understand what the point in my post was (to pinpoint a lie/overstatement if you like)
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
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Wow- I had to make this my second post by saying..
How many copies did world of warcraft the buring crusade sell on release day?
Ouch i hope that didnt hurt too badly..
Sorry, but intill a MMO sells as many copies as wow and the expansion then no MMO will compare in sales.
Edit: OMG- Wow is still #9 on amazon's best seller list after 2 years. Lol
It's doubtable that any MMO will ever match WoW in terms of sales and total subscribers. (Except maybe some of those whacky Asian games which I hear have massive player bases
LotRO is a good game, trying to put it down by comparing it to WoW is pointless. If you don't like it fine, but a lot of people are really happy to have found a new MMO that they actually like and the reviews / previews are glowing.
I didn't like it myself, but each to their own.
Wow- I had to make this my second post by saying..
How many copies did world of warcraft the buring crusade sell on release day?
Ouch i hope that didnt hurt too badly..
Sorry, but intill a MMO sells as many copies as wow and the expansion then no MMO will compare in sales.
Edit: OMG- Wow is still #9 on amazon's best seller list after 2 years. Lol
It's doubtable that any MMO will ever match WoW in terms of sales and total subscribers. (Except maybe some of those whacky Asian games which I hear have massive player bases
LotRO is a good game, trying to put it down by comparing it to WoW is pointless. If you don't like it fine, but a lot of people are really happy to have found a new MMO that they actually like and the reviews / previews are glowing.
I didn't like it myself, but each to their own.
-sigh i guess people just can't see my point of view.. Lol
I am not saying lotro is not a good game because wow has sold millions..
I am saying that if you want to go and compare games in the market then you have to compare them to big sellers as well and not just say "This game has been #1 for weeks now" and just ignore the big sellers.. Well you could but that would be just as pointless.
I agree lotro is and can be a good game if done right.. I do however wish it was named Middle Earth Online so they could easily have more storylines outside of the lord of the rings story line without it feeling weird.. But anyways thats another topic and i'm sure they will find aorund aorund that issues when its time.
Oh and i do love the fact that hunters are rid of the evil arrow bag hoggers in lotro. Unlimited arrow for all!
Wow- I had to make this my second post by saying..
How many copies did world of warcraft the buring crusade sell on release day?
Ouch i hope that didnt hurt too badly..
Sorry, but intill a MMO sells as many copies as wow and the expansion then no MMO will compare in sales.
Edit: OMG- Wow is still #9 on amazon's best seller list after 2 years. Lol
It's doubtable that any MMO will ever match WoW in terms of sales and total subscribers. (Except maybe some of those whacky Asian games which I hear have massive player bases
LotRO is a good game, trying to put it down by comparing it to WoW is pointless. If you don't like it fine, but a lot of people are really happy to have found a new MMO that they actually like and the reviews / previews are glowing.
I didn't like it myself, but each to their own.
-sigh i guess people just can't see my point of view.. Lol
I am not saying lotro is not a good game because wow has sold millions..
I am saying that if you want to go and compare games in the market then you have to compare them to big sellers as well and not just say "This game has been #1 for weeks now" and just ignore the big sellers.. Well you could but that would be just as pointless.
I agree lotro is and can be a good game if done right.. I do however wish it was named Middle Earth Online so they could easily have more storylines outside of the lord of the rings story line without it feeling weird.. But anyways thats another topic and i'm sure they will find aorund aorund that issues when its time.
Oh and i do love the fact that hunters are rid of the evil arrow bag hoggers in lotro. Unlimited arrow for all!
If its not obviously clear by now, everything you have stated has been obviously read, understood, and ultimately dismissed.
At no point did anyone compare the game "in the market", he merely stated the game is actually starting to sell well. Relating it to WoW's sales is absolutely pointless, as in a moot point. I have two WoW accounts in my possession, does my mutual enjoyment of LOTRO along with many others...resulting in a higher sales bracket correlate with WoW in the least? In short, no, it does not. At least not at a customers standpoint. I suppose some WoW exec laying on his bed of money and caviar may have chuckled at how he won't be able to buy that 32nd Yacht this month. Oh Poor Harold...you will have to stick with that month old yacht for another week...damn those at Turbine!
If you consider me a fanboy, maybe you should read a few of my other lengthy posts about my concerns of the game, how I don't currently have a pre-order, and how im hopeful it will turn into something I can enjoy longterm.
Im not defending this game, I really could care less if other people enjoy it ( beyond the extreme situation of playing by myself in the game world ), I do however care if continuous arguments are said over and over, in which have been said a million times, and have no addition to a thread.
I really don't know how many more times I can say the words "red harring" as you put it.
Many people have stated that they find the game to look beautiful, are you going to tell them they can't speak about graphics without relating it to Oblivion?
A little semantics lesson: I wasn't attacking. I was feeling pitiful
Not that you would believe _anything_ outside your tiny room of own truthfulness, but I have seen an ad in PC Zone, got the closed beta key from CVG, played the closed beta and then pre-ordered LOTRO.
Only after all this has happened, did I start checking on forums about this game
weird, you say? 
Sorry for not playing the "conspiracy game" you love so much!
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
You can't compare a minivan to a sportscar and you can't compare a MMO to a solo-RPG. It's as easy as that. You can compare them in a specific aspect, sure, that would work, like "RTS games are better than RPGs because they sharpen your understanding of planning and achievement through tactic more"...
But by extracting certain aspects you void the interdependances in a coherent system, like the old argument "MMOs cannot have the same gfx standards as sologames, because of the greater dynamic in dataflow that the client has to deal with"...
Let me take this a step further, I study medicine, and a common problem made in scientific medical research during the last decades, especially in biochemistry, was the extraction and analysis of certain structures while blissfully excluding the system in which they are supposed to work and interact. This led to largely false theroies especially in the beginnings of genome research since system-dependent mechanisms like splicing or post-translational modification where not taken in account. The understanding of testing and examining a system as a whole (or at least include system specific parameters) is a very young and exponentially growing branch in biomed-research.
So why this small excursion to my real life. MMOs/Sologame comparisons are just the same. You can extract the grafics, or the sound, or the animation to a sologame, but you will ruin the perspective and eventually get false results. You can't compare a mouse to a squirrel, just because they are both animals and have largely the same biological foundation ^^ It's just not, and that doesn't put my ability to draw objective conclusions in question, it rather shows that you are actually lacking the scientific tools to see what has to be put in perspective and what doesn't.
Meridion
I miss DAoC
Mate, you seriously want to have a conversation with this StanlyManly guy? 13 out of his 13 posts are simply lotro-bashing trolling.... This poor fella only registered MMORPG to troll around LOTRO.
And he talks about viral marketing. har har har
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
blogs.forbes.com/digitaldownload/2007/04/review_the_lord.html
www.thestreet.com/_googlen/newsanalysis/techgames/10348653.html
and people like Stan think they can affect sales by a single box, by trolling. I think that is rather amusing. Viral marketing only will work in the positive direction and then only for a good product Stan, do some research and you will see what I mean.
I miss DAoC
Yes, it seems you can't stop the Hype-wagon even for bad games - so why even try to do it for good games?
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It's like peeing against a hurricane. Am I wrong to feel bad for such people?
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
While there are no negative professional reviews out at the moment, on the other side, there are hardly any reviews at all as the game has not been released.
As I stated before, I expect only good reviews because this game encapsulates the leading trend of mmorpg: casual gaming with little effort and draws non-mmorpgers to this genre by using a strong name "Lord of the Rings" known throughout generations and different medias, which is always good for publicity of all sites and magazines reviewing it.
Most players have a very positiv first impression of this game and I'm happy to see that Turbine has produced finally something which will not flop like AC2 or DnD-online. This game will be at least a short-term success, it will depend how Turbine will handle future expansions if it will also be a long-time runner.
I have to agree with this review in every way. The game is just a shiny gem of polished gamedom. If you enjoy Lord of the Rings, the game is a must have. I have been playing on my new awesome computer that has a crappy onboard card and I can play at a really decent resolution and graphics level with no lag.
Revolutionary? Certainly not, but I really don't need revolutionary. This game is ready to launch and I hope Turbine is prepared for success.
Hey Art.. mark this date down. We agree on something.
Although I won't be playing it because I'm not a fan of fantasy games or the Lotr movies, but it was a solid, well made game that was a pleasure to beta.
Shayde - SWG (dead)
Proud member of the Cabal.
It sounds great, so great in fact, I pitty those who canceled
I don't like it when you say things. - A Vanguard fan who does too.
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When scary things get scared, that's bad...
Eek, lets not get into these arguments please. Truth be told, no one can say how successful this game will be. All numbers at this point are skewed by tons of different variables.
I find the game fun myself, thats the only "statistic" that matters
EDIT: Actually I apologize, you did say what you have drawn, thus its an opinion, and you could very well be right. Stanlyman just seems like its futile to argue with him.
I said you wont find any. Guess what though, there weren't any bad reviews of AC2 either. The problem with reviews of MMORPG's, is that a lot of the problems are not immediately apparent. But, I've already said this...
Equal opportunity troll.
I said you wont find any. Guess what though, there weren't any bad reviews of AC2 either. The problem with reviews of MMORPG's, is that a lot of the problems are not immediately apparent. But, I've already said this...
Asheron's call 2 on Metacritic:
http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/pc/asheronscall2fallenkings?q=asheron's%20call
60%, 60%, 73%, 74% - all the expansions received much worse reviews.
Next time either don't lie or try to backup what you're babbling about... oh wait, that would not be a conspiracy anymore
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
See Meridion, I told you
no point... the best argument from a troll can only be a personal attack.
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
blogs.forbes.com/digitaldownload/2007/04/review_the_lord.html
www.thestreet.com/_googlen/newsanalysis/techgames/10348653.html
and people like Stan think they can affect sales by a single box, by trolling. I think that is rather amusing. Viral marketing only will work in the positive direction and then only for a good product Stan, do some research and you will see what I mean.
Odd isn't it? I guess the old saying holds true, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. People will find out for themselves a month or two down the road. So why do I post? Its simple... so I can have the pleasure of saying "I told ya so".
Equal opportunity troll.
blogs.forbes.com/digitaldownload/2007/04/review_the_lord.html
www.thestreet.com/_googlen/newsanalysis/techgames/10348653.html
and people like Stan think they can affect sales by a single box, by trolling. I think that is rather amusing. Viral marketing only will work in the positive direction and then only for a good product Stan, do some research and you will see what I mean.
Odd isn't it? I guess the old saying holds true, you can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him drink. People will find out for themselves a month or two down the road. So why do I post? Its simple... so I can have the pleasure of saying "I told ya so".
I'm so happy that I have a lot of pleasure in life with my fiancé, my family and my friends and don't need to hunt for such kind of "pleasures" on the net or anywhere else
Good luck to you then!
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
I said you wont find any. Guess what though, there weren't any bad reviews of AC2 either. The problem with reviews of MMORPG's, is that a lot of the problems are not immediately apparent. But, I've already said this...
Asheron's call 2 on Metacritic:
http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/pc/asheronscall2fallenkings?q=asheron's%20call
60%, 60%, 73%, 74% - all the expansions received much worse reviews.
Next time either don't lie or try to backup what you're babbling about... oh wait, that would not be a conspiracy anymore
DB
Ohhh AC2 was very fun, dont know how long it took for you to find these bad reviews. It took me 15 seconds to find good reviews
http://www.gameogre.com/ac2review.htm
http://www.rpgdot.com/index.php?hsaction=10053&ID=490
Found a video interview with Jeff from LOTRO
www.pro-g.co.uk/pc/the_lord_of_the_rings_online/videos.html
P.S im new here so Hi all!
Sorry to cut in like this but
The average review at launch for AC2 was 8.3
http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/asheronscall2fallenkings/review.html?mode=web&om_act=convert&om_clk=stats&tag=stats;theysay
Pls do not divert the argument. The guy said that there WERE NOT ANY poor reviews - whereas I showed some.
The average score was not mentioned. BTW, I would bet by a large amount that LOTRO's average review score will be waaaay above 8.3
but this is also besides the point.
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.
Pls do not divert the argument. The guy said that there WERE NOT ANY poor reviews - whereas I showed some.
The average score was not mentioned. BTW, I would bet by a large amount that LOTRO's average review score will be waaaay above 8.3
but this is also besides the point.
DB
Im not "diverting" any argument, argue on if you like, who am I to stop you?
I just provided a list of reviews to look at
Gamespot usually has one of the most comprehensive list of reviews for almost any game.
You are probably correct on LotRs
but since its not the point and only time will tell, it doesn't matter. We will know soon enough.
Pls do not divert the argument. The guy said that there WERE NOT ANY poor reviews - whereas I showed some.
The average score was not mentioned. BTW, I would bet by a large amount that LOTRO's average review score will be waaaay above 8.3
but this is also besides the point.
DB
Im not "diverting" any argument, argue on if you like, who am I to stop you?
I just provided a list of reviews to look at
Gamespot usually has one of the most comprehensive list of reviews for almost any game.
You are probably correct on LotRs
but since its not the point and only time will tell, it doesn't matter. We will know soon enough.
You still don't get my point, so I'll try to rephrase.
If you would now check my link, you'd see that there are MANY reviews of AC2, and some of them are over 90% - the average is 82 or 83. I never said that it's a bad game, or that it doesn't have good reviews, OR that it has received bad and/or has bad reviews in general.
I was simply pointing out that BAD reviews for AC2 DO EXIST - whereas the post I was replying to was lying about this.
This, and nothing else was my point. You linking good reviews is completely off the point, as I have already linked more (and even higher) good reviews in my original link - which, you obviously haven't even checked.
I have never played AC2 BTW and have no idea what it's like, I'd most probably like it from what i have heard.
I hope now even you understand what the point in my post was (to pinpoint a lie/overstatement if you like)
DB
Denial makes one look a lot dumber than he/she actually is.