Well then, if the item shop wasn't bad enough... in game advertising? No thanks... I will not PAY to play a game that has ADVERTISING plastered around it. Screw that.
Read all about Granado Espada 2.o [the latest version launching soon] go to flaregamer.com. I know the girl who did the interveiew with Hrin which is why I know about this. Apparently they're overseas friends or something. Enjoy.
Why do I write, create, fantasize, dream and daydream about other worlds? Because I hate what humanity does with this one.
I don't think the "rumor" is all that silly... they are pathetic enough to have an item shop. Yes it is a silly rumor. the rumor is based on nothing since nothing even slightly hints in the direction that SotNW will have ingame advertisement.
They do have an item shop, and in return you only have to pay almost half the monthly fee of the current standard of 15$.
Originally posted by Gameloading Yes it is a silly rumor. the rumor is based on nothing since nothing even slightly hints in the direction that SotNW will have ingame advertisement.
They do have an item shop, and in return you only have to pay almost half the monthly fee of the current standard of 15$.
So in return for a pathetic marketing scheme I get a pathetic marketing scheme?
No thanks.
If the game was any good, they wouldn't need such a gimmick.
yes, lets judge a game on a pricing scheme now.
There is nothing pathetic about the marketing scheme, it only benefits us players since we have to pay less. its hilarious actually, A company is comming to the players by offering a drop in a monthly fee, and look and behold, people start COMPLAINING about it.
There is nothing pathetic about the marketing scheme, it only benefits us players since we have to pay less. its hilarious actually, A company is comming to the players by offering a drop in a monthly fee, and look and behold, people start COMPLAINING about it.
Do I need to explain this to you AGAIN Gameloading?
/sigh
Of course people will complain. Many players understand that an item shop will move development focus from legitimate game development to that of frilly clothing for the prissy dressers. That will be where the extra revenue comes from, so that is where the extra development will go.
If you really want your game's focus to be on making pretty little bonnets, then go right ahead and buy into this. lol
Originally posted by Gameloading yes, lets judge a game on a pricing scheme now.
There is nothing pathetic about the marketing scheme, it only benefits us players since we have to pay less. its hilarious actually, A company is comming to the players by offering a drop in a monthly fee, and look and behold, people start COMPLAINING about it.
Do I need to explain this to you AGAIN Gameloading?
/sigh
Of course people will complain. Many players understand that an item shop will move development focus from legitimate game development to that of frilly clothing for the prissy dressers. That will be where the extra revenue comes from, so that is where the extra development will go.
If you really want your game's focus to be on making pretty little bonnets, then go right ahead and buy into this. lol
Sorry, but that statement is funny. legitimate game development... I haven't seen that in ANY of the MMO's I played... P2P or F2P...
Why pay them to nerf you in the game? For the glorious "balance" that doesn't mean squad when the next group of gamers complains? Also, the character customization IS a legitimate game development. There are many who ask for it. So if you don't care for it, that doesn't mean it is NOT legitimate game development...
I'm not one to avocate the F2P games, but in everything it has its up and down. That goes for P2P and F2P...
Also, many P2P games promised fixes, new contents, and what they received are sometimes more of the same thing, plus or minus of the nerfs hiding along the lines. That's my experience, and from those I talked to in different games, and that's what I take it as it is... no more, no less.
Sorry, but that statement is funny. legitimate game development... I haven't seen that in ANY of the MMO's I played... P2P or F2P...
Why pay them to nerf you in the game? For the glorious "balance" that doesn't mean squad when the next group of gamers complains? Also, the character customization IS a legitimate game development. There are many who ask for it. So if you don't care for it, that doesn't mean it is NOT legitimate game development...
I'm not one to avocate the F2P games, but in everything it has its up and down. That goes for P2P and F2P...
Also, many P2P games promised fixes, new contents, and what they received are somethings more of the same thing, plus or minus of the nerfs hiding along the lines. That's my experience, and from those I talked to in different games, and that's what I take it as it is... no more, no less.
It's not really a funny statement at all. I don't see prissy dressing your character as a major advancement in providing content, personally. I think it's a rather large waste of money and development effort. And I have yet to see a F2P game with the same quality as most of the P2P games I've experienced.
Do P2P publishers have issues with fixes and content? Absolutely... no more than F2P games do.
You can ridicule my opinion if it makes you feel better. lol As far as I am concerned, the addition of frilly clothing to a game is secondary to mechanics, content, and improvements. With a F2P item shop model, the focus is shifted to frilly clothing. So, enjoy your lesser game, distracted from it's inferiority with the shiny new virtual handbag and pumps you paid cash for.
There is nothing pathetic about the marketing scheme, it only benefits us players since we have to pay less. its hilarious actually, A company is comming to the players by offering a drop in a monthly fee, and look and behold, people start COMPLAINING about it.
The drop in monthly fee is hardly a bargain. Games with item shops cost less because they offer less - a portion of the content is moved to the item shop. I'd rather pay the standard $15 a month and have access to everything.
People aren't complaining about the reduced price, they're complaining about the reduced content that comes with it.
The game itself doesn't look that special. It's got the three-character gimmick going for it, but the rest of it sounds like pretty standard MMORPG stuff. I might give the free version a shot, but I won't be expecting much.
Originally posted by Gameloading yes, lets judge a game on a pricing scheme now.
There is nothing pathetic about the marketing scheme, it only benefits us players since we have to pay less. its hilarious actually, A company is comming to the players by offering a drop in a monthly fee, and look and behold, people start COMPLAINING about it.
Do I need to explain this to you AGAIN Gameloading?
/sigh
Of course people will complain. Many players understand that an item shop will move development focus from legitimate game development to that of frilly clothing for the prissy dressers. That will be where the extra revenue comes from, so that is where the extra development will go.
If you really want your game's focus to be on making pretty little bonnets, then go right ahead and buy into this. lol
I can't believe I have to explaint his to you again.
This time, listen carefully.
Item shop MMORPG's do NOT focus on those items,. instead, those MMORPG's focus on content, just like monthly fee mmorpg's. They still have to compete with other MMORPG's. If you think that Item shop MMORPG developers put most of their effort in creating new item shop items, then you need to do your research. They still have to compete with hundreds of other MMO's (yes, hundreds, those games don't come from the west, where only a few MMO's are running) and people still look for more content.
Shall we take a look?
Granado Espada is an item shop game in all regions:
The latest update added:
- 156 new areas.
- 323 new quests (The newest Lotro update will add...what, 60 new quests?)
- 7 new playable characters.
Instead of assuming, why don't you do you research first?
There is nothing pathetic about the marketing scheme, it only benefits us players since we have to pay less. its hilarious actually, A company is comming to the players by offering a drop in a monthly fee, and look and behold, people start COMPLAINING about it.
The drop in monthly fee is hardly a bargain. Games with item shops cost less because they offer less - a portion of the content is moved to the item shop. I'd rather pay the standard $15 a month and have access to everything.
People aren't complaining about the reduced price, they're complaining about the reduced content that comes with it.
The game itself doesn't look that special. It's got the three-character gimmick going for it, but the rest of it sounds like pretty standard MMORPG stuff. I might give the free version a shot, but I won't be expecting much. It seems that the only things avaible in the cash shop will be things like customization options and characters (of which all of them can be found in the game). If it really bothers you that much, then why not just pay 6$ worth of customization options (It really won't be that expensive) so you have 15$ monthly fee, and access to the extra customization? or am I making too much sense now?
It seems that the only things avaible in the cash shop will be things like customization options and characters (of which all of them can be found in the game). If it really bothers you that much, then why not just pay 6$ worth of customization options (It really won't be that expensive) so you have 15$ monthly fee, and access to the extra customization? or am I making too much sense now?
It seems? Where are you getting your information? Have they released a list of the cash shop items? It seems like you're just doing a bit of wishful thinking. Nothing wrong with that, but I'm not going to base my expectations off of it.
As for paying full MMO price to access more content, but still not all content, that doesn't sound like a very good price. Like I said, I'd rather pay $15 a month for access to all content, not just "more" of it.
It seems that the only things avaible in the cash shop will be things like customization options and characters (of which all of them can be found in the game). If it really bothers you that much, then why not just pay 6$ worth of customization options (It really won't be that expensive) so you have 15$ monthly fee, and access to the extra customization? or am I making too much sense now?
It seems? Where are you getting your information? Have they released a list of the cash shop items? It seems like you're just doing a bit of wishful thinking. Nothing wrong with that, but I'm not going to base my expectations off of it.
As for paying full MMO price to access more content, but still not all content, that doesn't sound like a very good price. Like I said, I'd rather pay $15 a month for access to all content, not just "more" of it.
That's not true. What about the patches that adds contents each month for different games? what about expansions that adds contents for games? The fact is, MMO will NEVER have ALL the contents when published. There will always be adding more (some players burn through contents like crazy)...
Only different between P2P and F2P is the method of handling subscription(paying vs item shop), and maybe (depends on the game), different content size. Some game just have more contents, others just have less...
Originally posted by Dreneth
It's not really a funny statement at all. I don't see prissy dressing your character as a major advancement in providing content, personally. I think it's a rather large waste of money and development effort. And I have yet to see a F2P game with the same quality as most of the P2P games I've experienced. Do P2P publishers have issues with fixes and content? Absolutely... no more than F2P games do. You can ridicule my opinion if it makes you feel better. lol As far as I am concerned, the addition of frilly clothing to a game is secondary to mechanics, content, and improvements. With a F2P item shop model, the focus is shifted to frilly clothing. So, enjoy your lesser game, distracted from it's inferiority with the shiny new virtual handbag and pumps you paid cash for.
Dreneth, I'm not trying to redicule your opinion, just to pointing out that what you think as "legitimate game development" does in fact includes character customization and that includes the outfits and whatnot.
As for you haven't seen a F2P game with same quality as P2P, I can only say that it's because not all F2P games are available to you. I'm Asian (I was born in Taiwan), and I have ways of getting the F2P games in the Asian market through my relatives. So I can say that there are in fact many F2P games with quality of P2P, just that it hasn't be made localize to US.
It seems that the only things avaible in the cash shop will be things like customization options and characters (of which all of them can be found in the game). If it really bothers you that much, then why not just pay 6$ worth of customization options (It really won't be that expensive) so you have 15$ monthly fee, and access to the extra customization? or am I making too much sense now?
It seems? Where are you getting your information? Have they released a list of the cash shop items? It seems like you're just doing a bit of wishful thinking. Nothing wrong with that, but I'm not going to base my expectations off of it.
As for paying full MMO price to access more content, but still not all content, that doesn't sound like a very good price. Like I said, I'd rather pay $15 a month for access to all content, not just "more" of it. The IGN article posted the information about characters which can be bought from the shop (aside from getting them inside the game). The item shops in the foreign version sell customization options, so I can imagine them being present in this version.
and for the 9$, you are getting access to all content, and if you spend 6$ more, you will also be able to purchase extra content.
It seems that the only things avaible in the cash shop will be things like customization options and characters (of which all of them can be found in the game). If it really bothers you that much, then why not just pay 6$ worth of customization options (It really won't be that expensive) so you have 15$ monthly fee, and access to the extra customization? or am I making too much sense now?
It seems? Where are you getting your information? Have they released a list of the cash shop items? It seems like you're just doing a bit of wishful thinking. Nothing wrong with that, but I'm not going to base my expectations off of it.
As for paying full MMO price to access more content, but still not all content, that doesn't sound like a very good price. Like I said, I'd rather pay $15 a month for access to all content, not just "more" of it. The IGN article posted the information about characters which can be bought from the shop (aside from getting them inside the game). The item shops in the foreign version sell customization options, so I can imagine them being present in this version.
and for the 9$, you are getting access to all content, and if you spend 6$ more, you will also be able to purchase extra content. All cash shop items can be found normally in the game? If that's the case, that's not a bad deal.
Why are you even bothering arguing Gameloading? They have no idea what they are talking about, and with this much arguing your going to get them to want to try the game to prove you wrong. There is nothing more annoying then entering the game to see people trying to nitpick. I can just see it now, people in the City of Rebolduox complaining that some buildings have missing polies in places you will never see them unless your looking for them.
If they don't want to pay less for an extroardinary game that redifines mmos, then why bother? They don't even know how fun the game can be. Not to mention they will be complaining non-stop about how easy it is to level, and ohh no there is the patrol mode that makes you auto-attack for 1 minute.
It seems that the only things avaible in the cash shop will be things like customization options and characters (of which all of them can be found in the game). If it really bothers you that much, then why not just pay 6$ worth of customization options (It really won't be that expensive) so you have 15$ monthly fee, and access to the extra customization? or am I making too much sense now?
It seems? Where are you getting your information? Have they released a list of the cash shop items? It seems like you're just doing a bit of wishful thinking. Nothing wrong with that, but I'm not going to base my expectations off of it.
As for paying full MMO price to access more content, but still not all content, that doesn't sound like a very good price. Like I said, I'd rather pay $15 a month for access to all content, not just "more" of it. The IGN article posted the information about characters which can be bought from the shop (aside from getting them inside the game). The item shops in the foreign version sell customization options, so I can imagine them being present in this version.
and for the 9$, you are getting access to all content, and if you spend 6$ more, you will also be able to purchase extra content. All cash shop items can be found normally in the game? If that's the case, that's not a bad deal. Not all of them, All characters you find in the item shop can be found ingame, it seems to me right now the only thing your missing are extra customization options. thats all.
All cash shop items can be found normally in the game? If that's the case, that's not a bad deal.
Not all of them, All characters you find in the item shop can be found ingame, it seems to me right now the only thing your missing are extra customization options. thats all.
So in order to access all content, I have to pay extra money on top of the monthly fee. I don't see anything in the article that would make me think the cash shop includes only customization options. "Items not integral to the enjoyment of the gaming experience" is very, very broad. Customization options aren't "integral to the enjoyment of the gaming experience," but neither are the high-end weapons and armor.
Well people are adverse to the idea because it sounds like a scam to make more money.
Why should people have to pay for the box, pay a monthly fee to play the game, and then have a pay to purchase item shop in the game as well?
Gameloading, in a different thread you stated that the item shops in Asia brought in enough income to pay for MMO games. So why would people be happy with a game that is still charging a monthly fee and has an item shop? Doesn't that sound like they are getting paid double for the same product that other companies are offering?
And yes a lot of people are not going to play the game based solely on the fact that it has an item shop. Doesn't matter if the items are Fluff only. There are a lot of NA/EU gamers who enjoy Fluff, but will not pay per item. Heck they would of had an easier time charging double the monthly fee, but offering more stuff, then they will with an item shop in NA/EU.
I know you love to site prior MMO games in our previous arguements. So tell me what game released in NA/EU with an item shop has been successful?
I can't think of a single one. It just doesn't go with our market. In Asia they play in Internet Cafes and only have to pay for the time they play. So item shops make perfect sense to them. In their minds why not only have to buy stuff you want. But in NA/EU we get upset when there is content we don't have access too. We are much more a society of "Keeping up with the Jones". So no matter how trivial the item is people will be upset if their 8.95 per month doesn't give them access to it.
Currently playing: LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too: Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
As long as I do not have to pay for expansion packs, I have no problem paying a small amount here and there for "additional content"
It's the same deal.
You have to pay $50 to get access to all the new content in WoW:TBC
You have to pay $50 to get access to all the content in the cash shop. The cash shop is it's own expansion pack in a sense.
I have no problem having "good" items for sale in the cash shop, as long as equivalent or better items are available in the game. For those people who want to take the easy way out as opposed to enjoying the GAME (yes many times people forget these are GAMES), then they are actually paying to become bored of the game faster.
Well people are adverse to the idea because it sounds like a scam to make more money.
Why should people have to pay for the box, pay a monthly fee to play the game, and then have a pay to purchase item shop in the game as well?
The sale of the box is obvious, but when dealing with this topic you have to keep in mind that the monthly fee is only 9$. thats 6$ under the market standard.
Gameloading, in a different thread you stated that the item shops in Asia brought in enough income to pay for MMO games. So why would people be happy with a game that is still charging a monthly fee and has an item shop? Doesn't that sound like they are getting paid double for the same product that other companies are offering?
I'll say it again, the monthly fee in this game is only 9$, 6$ less then the market standard. the remaining 6$ has to come from somewhere.
And yes a lot of people are not going to play the game based solely on the fact that it has an item shop. Doesn't matter if the items are Fluff only. There are a lot of NA/EU gamers who enjoy Fluff, but will not pay per item. Heck they would of had an easier time charging double the monthly fee, but offering more stuff, then they will with an item shop in NA/EU.
I know you love to site prior MMO games in our previous arguements. So tell me what game released in NA/EU with an item shop has been successful?
I can't think of a single one. It just doesn't go with our market. In Asia they play in Internet Cafes and only have to pay for the time they play. So item shops make perfect sense to them. In their minds why not only have to buy stuff you want. But in NA/EU we get upset when there is content we don't have access too. We are much more a society of "Keeping up with the Jones". So no matter how trivial the item is people will be upset if their 8.95 per month doesn't give them access to it.
Are you actually serious? You can't think of a single game? Games like Silkroad and Maple story have to keep adding new servers because of the overwhelming demand for the game. The games are drawing more and more players, and more games from the east come to the west, using an item shop, obviously doing something right.
The thing is, Those games are build for an item shop. Granado Espada is not. GE was build with a monthly fee in mind. it changed to an item shop in korea a while after launch. Because of that, K2 network decided to run the game with a monthly fee in the west, because a monthly fee is much more common here. to set themself under the market standard, they dropped the monthly fee to 8$, making the game more accesible and added an item shop to it, in which you can purchase most likely hairstyled and other fluffy stuff.
Item shops are only a bad thing when they sell game breaking items (extra xp/better gear etc). If its only going to be character customization then its nto a problem. Gamesplay > all other aspects of the game in my book and this game has the gameplay in all respects. It has nice graphics that dont need me to buy a 600 USD card. I just say wait and see. Its been said itl have a free trial so just give it a shot and see if you like it. Dont bash a games unless youve personally tried it.
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Read all about Granado Espada 2.o [the latest version launching soon] go to flaregamer.com. I know the girl who did the interveiew with Hrin which is why I know about this. Apparently they're overseas friends or something. Enjoy.
BOYCOTTING EA / ORIGIN going forward.
They do have an item shop, and in return you only have to pay almost half the monthly fee of the current standard of 15$.
So in return for a pathetic marketing scheme I get a pathetic marketing scheme?
No thanks.
If the game was any good, they wouldn't need such a gimmick.
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So in return for a pathetic marketing scheme I get a pathetic marketing scheme?
No thanks.
If the game was any good, they wouldn't need such a gimmick.
yes, lets judge a game on a pricing scheme now.There is nothing pathetic about the marketing scheme, it only benefits us players since we have to pay less. its hilarious actually, A company is comming to the players by offering a drop in a monthly fee, and look and behold, people start COMPLAINING about it.
Do I need to explain this to you AGAIN Gameloading?
/sigh
Of course people will complain. Many players understand that an item shop will move development focus from legitimate game development to that of frilly clothing for the prissy dressers. That will be where the extra revenue comes from, so that is where the extra development will go.
If you really want your game's focus to be on making pretty little bonnets, then go right ahead and buy into this. lol
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Do I need to explain this to you AGAIN Gameloading?
/sigh
Of course people will complain. Many players understand that an item shop will move development focus from legitimate game development to that of frilly clothing for the prissy dressers. That will be where the extra revenue comes from, so that is where the extra development will go.
If you really want your game's focus to be on making pretty little bonnets, then go right ahead and buy into this. lol
Sorry, but that statement is funny. legitimate game development... I haven't seen that in ANY of the MMO's I played... P2P or F2P...Why pay them to nerf you in the game? For the glorious "balance" that doesn't mean squad when the next group of gamers complains? Also, the character customization IS a legitimate game development. There are many who ask for it. So if you don't care for it, that doesn't mean it is NOT legitimate game development...
I'm not one to avocate the F2P games, but in everything it has its up and down. That goes for P2P and F2P...
Also, many P2P games promised fixes, new contents, and what they received are sometimes more of the same thing, plus or minus of the nerfs hiding along the lines. That's my experience, and from those I talked to in different games, and that's what I take it as it is... no more, no less.
Current MMO: FFXIV:ARR
Past MMO: Way too many (P2P and F2P)
It's not really a funny statement at all. I don't see prissy dressing your character as a major advancement in providing content, personally. I think it's a rather large waste of money and development effort. And I have yet to see a F2P game with the same quality as most of the P2P games I've experienced.
Do P2P publishers have issues with fixes and content? Absolutely... no more than F2P games do.
You can ridicule my opinion if it makes you feel better. lol As far as I am concerned, the addition of frilly clothing to a game is secondary to mechanics, content, and improvements. With a F2P item shop model, the focus is shifted to frilly clothing. So, enjoy your lesser game, distracted from it's inferiority with the shiny new virtual handbag and pumps you paid cash for.
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People aren't complaining about the reduced price, they're complaining about the reduced content that comes with it.
The game itself doesn't look that special. It's got the three-character gimmick going for it, but the rest of it sounds like pretty standard MMORPG stuff. I might give the free version a shot, but I won't be expecting much.
Do I need to explain this to you AGAIN Gameloading?
/sigh
Of course people will complain. Many players understand that an item shop will move development focus from legitimate game development to that of frilly clothing for the prissy dressers. That will be where the extra revenue comes from, so that is where the extra development will go.
If you really want your game's focus to be on making pretty little bonnets, then go right ahead and buy into this. lol
I can't believe I have to explaint his to you again.
This time, listen carefully.
Item shop MMORPG's do NOT focus on those items,. instead, those MMORPG's focus on content, just like monthly fee mmorpg's. They still have to compete with other MMORPG's. If you think that Item shop MMORPG developers put most of their effort in creating new item shop items, then you need to do your research. They still have to compete with hundreds of other MMO's (yes, hundreds, those games don't come from the west, where only a few MMO's are running) and people still look for more content.
Shall we take a look?
Granado Espada is an item shop game in all regions:
The latest update added:
- 156 new areas.
- 323 new quests (The newest Lotro update will add...what, 60 new quests?)
- 7 new playable characters.
Instead of assuming, why don't you do you research first?
People aren't complaining about the reduced price, they're complaining about the reduced content that comes with it.
The game itself doesn't look that special. It's got the three-character gimmick going for it, but the rest of it sounds like pretty standard MMORPG stuff. I might give the free version a shot, but I won't be expecting much. It seems that the only things avaible in the cash shop will be things like customization options and characters (of which all of them can be found in the game). If it really bothers you that much, then why not just pay 6$ worth of customization options (It really won't be that expensive) so you have 15$ monthly fee, and access to the extra customization? or am I making too much sense now?
As for paying full MMO price to access more content, but still not all content, that doesn't sound like a very good price. Like I said, I'd rather pay $15 a month for access to all content, not just "more" of it.
As for paying full MMO price to access more content, but still not all content, that doesn't sound like a very good price. Like I said, I'd rather pay $15 a month for access to all content, not just "more" of it.
That's not true. What about the patches that adds contents each month for different games? what about expansions that adds contents for games? The fact is, MMO will NEVER have ALL the contents when published. There will always be adding more (some players burn through contents like crazy)...
Only different between P2P and F2P is the method of handling subscription(paying vs item shop), and maybe (depends on the game), different content size. Some game just have more contents, others just have less...
Dreneth, I'm not trying to redicule your opinion, just to pointing out that what you think as "legitimate game development" does in fact includes character customization and that includes the outfits and whatnot.
As for you haven't seen a F2P game with same quality as P2P, I can only say that it's because not all F2P games are available to you. I'm Asian (I was born in Taiwan), and I have ways of getting the F2P games in the Asian market through my relatives. So I can say that there are in fact many F2P games with quality of P2P, just that it hasn't be made localize to US.
Current MMO: FFXIV:ARR
Past MMO: Way too many (P2P and F2P)
As for paying full MMO price to access more content, but still not all content, that doesn't sound like a very good price. Like I said, I'd rather pay $15 a month for access to all content, not just "more" of it. The IGN article posted the information about characters which can be bought from the shop (aside from getting them inside the game). The item shops in the foreign version sell customization options, so I can imagine them being present in this version.
and for the 9$, you are getting access to all content, and if you spend 6$ more, you will also be able to purchase extra content.
As for paying full MMO price to access more content, but still not all content, that doesn't sound like a very good price. Like I said, I'd rather pay $15 a month for access to all content, not just "more" of it. The IGN article posted the information about characters which can be bought from the shop (aside from getting them inside the game). The item shops in the foreign version sell customization options, so I can imagine them being present in this version.
and for the 9$, you are getting access to all content, and if you spend 6$ more, you will also be able to purchase extra content. All cash shop items can be found normally in the game? If that's the case, that's not a bad deal.
Why are you even bothering arguing Gameloading? They have no idea what they are talking about, and with this much arguing your going to get them to want to try the game to prove you wrong. There is nothing more annoying then entering the game to see people trying to nitpick. I can just see it now, people in the City of Rebolduox complaining that some buildings have missing polies in places you will never see them unless your looking for them.
If they don't want to pay less for an extroardinary game that redifines mmos, then why bother? They don't even know how fun the game can be. Not to mention they will be complaining non-stop about how easy it is to level, and ohh no there is the patrol mode that makes you auto-attack for 1 minute.
As for paying full MMO price to access more content, but still not all content, that doesn't sound like a very good price. Like I said, I'd rather pay $15 a month for access to all content, not just "more" of it. The IGN article posted the information about characters which can be bought from the shop (aside from getting them inside the game). The item shops in the foreign version sell customization options, so I can imagine them being present in this version.
and for the 9$, you are getting access to all content, and if you spend 6$ more, you will also be able to purchase extra content. All cash shop items can be found normally in the game? If that's the case, that's not a bad deal. Not all of them, All characters you find in the item shop can be found ingame, it seems to me right now the only thing your missing are extra customization options. thats all.
So in order to access all content, I have to pay extra money on top of the monthly fee. I don't see anything in the article that would make me think the cash shop includes only customization options. "Items not integral to the enjoyment of the gaming experience" is very, very broad. Customization options aren't "integral to the enjoyment of the gaming experience," but neither are the high-end weapons and armor.
Why should people have to pay for the box, pay a monthly fee to play the game, and then have a pay to purchase item shop in the game as well?
Gameloading, in a different thread you stated that the item shops in Asia brought in enough income to pay for MMO games. So why would people be happy with a game that is still charging a monthly fee and has an item shop? Doesn't that sound like they are getting paid double for the same product that other companies are offering?
And yes a lot of people are not going to play the game based solely on the fact that it has an item shop. Doesn't matter if the items are Fluff only. There are a lot of NA/EU gamers who enjoy Fluff, but will not pay per item. Heck they would of had an easier time charging double the monthly fee, but offering more stuff, then they will with an item shop in NA/EU.
I know you love to site prior MMO games in our previous arguements. So tell me what game released in NA/EU with an item shop has been successful?
I can't think of a single one. It just doesn't go with our market. In Asia they play in Internet Cafes and only have to pay for the time they play. So item shops make perfect sense to them. In their minds why not only have to buy stuff you want. But in NA/EU we get upset when there is content we don't have access too. We are much more a society of "Keeping up with the Jones". So no matter how trivial the item is people will be upset if their 8.95 per month doesn't give them access to it.
Currently playing:
LOTRO & WoW (not much WoW though because Mines of Moria rocks!!!!)
Looking Foward too:
Bioware games (Dragon Age & Star Wars The Old Republic)
It's the same deal.
You have to pay $50 to get access to all the new content in WoW:TBC
You have to pay $50 to get access to all the content in the cash shop. The cash shop is it's own expansion pack in a sense.
I have no problem having "good" items for sale in the cash shop, as long as equivalent or better items are available in the game. For those people who want to take the easy way out as opposed to enjoying the GAME (yes many times people forget these are GAMES), then they are actually paying to become bored of the game faster.